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energy in your music and in your art and that really comes through and someone watches you perform like we just did i mean truly an inspirational so i really want to start with asking you who is the 5 defy and see music producer artist educator from albuquerque new mexico representing the dinette nation defies also if you broke it break it down into acronym could be definitely eternal or deaf eternal forever inferno are definitely eternal forever internal short for definition rare. if you look at a sonically hi fi lo fi and somewhere in there is deaf eyes or to defy the 5 began probably in my middle school time and i've stuck with the name ever since so what like what was your inspiration and experience that. led you to bring in you know hip hop spoken word hip hop and traditional native american culture together

in your are like what brought those 2 forces together. i think it would be a combination of live in an urban and rural area and environments as a youth wasn't raised primarily on from a traditional side nor. you know the other side of things so basically. as a use my grandparents on my maternal side they really instilled a lot of wisdom when i was at a lesson my mother also taught me how to read and write before i could walk so they gave me a good leading start to begin with in middle school i'd say about that time i got introduced to hip hop culture as far as like to be able to be gross i 1st started i seen a direct similarities and connection between hip hop culture and my traditional culture as a dinette person and that both of those connections led me to kind of combine both together what world are related is of value. for instance as a dinette person we have 4 clans we're very matrilineal culture in our reservation it's around about 4 sacred mountains 4 sacred directions

a lot of these numbers stood out to me and for the hip-hop 4 main elements to it. one of the main connections that really led me to become connected we have is. the philosophies too as well like our people were not very judgment on this much for the most part and hip hop kind of is and is a universal culture to me so without having to look at someone's skin tones practitioner can practice the ceremonies and feel like that was inviting for me a lot of times it was hard to find acceptance growing up there in new mexico where i'm from so hip hop was there and so i always carry my cultural heritage with me. it's interesting you you raised over a 1000000 dollars a big number you raised the room 1000000 dollars to help the water protectors of standing rock when that went down what was your inspiration for stepping forward and saying you know what i'm going to use my are going to use who i am and what i do to raise money for those people out there putting you know putting their lives

on the line and standing. you know i was a part of the fund raising i didn't do it entirely myself i've got to give credit to the collective crew family which you say of. hip hop practitioners people who are just there to help and we all together fundraise over a 1000000 dollars in one night hip hop concert by texting water at this certain number you able to leave a monetary donation just a little back story with that but i started out as a battle rapper 1st and i've seen the entertainment value side of that but after a while i realized that i could apply myself in much more useful ways or much more impactful ways rather than battling someone's head to head why not try to go towards the system instead and try to wake up in the fire the system sort of speak and. that's kind of how defy started i did a song when i 1st was inspired as these hydraulic fracturing zones were getting closer and closer to my homeland where my grandparents are from and some nasty new

mexico it's very rural at that point in time i realized that i needed to apply myself as an mc a music producer towards a much larger issues at hand then just battle rap so i stepped outside of the box and wrote this song called the land of in fact me and that's kind of a flip on the on the slogan of our stay and just to expose and also raise awareness of all these atrocities that are happening through hydraulic fracturing zones in our areas and from that point on i've just been helping hand as part of the many different movements for the indigenous peoples movement and many others as well but that's probably the most that was a that was a beginning you know after hearing your music and like i mentioned earlier that passion that you have that might just bleeds out of every every verse every bar every word i really what it was like how do you sit down when you sit down to write us write a song like what is that process for you when you sit down and say ok i'm going to

write about this issue of fracking or i'm just going to you know write some fire to get people jumping up and down like what wow do you tackle that how do you approach each song each song is kind of approach very differently but for the most part i'm writing my own. my lyrics behind the driver's seat i know it's a little risky but when i'm mad it's very rural areas i could drive out and enjoy the scenery. and be out of the city put on a instrumental usually the beep guides 1st take out my beats through different producers go from there and they're literally like right behind the wheel of a car in a beautiful new mexico or they're going into their painted sky and landscape or there's a signal like listen to examine and write about yeah exactly a lot of times i'll freestyle to think of the ideas and then just put it down on paper. who are some of your inspirations and your part. many inspirations i guess from my youth the 1st hip hop song i probably would have heard was probably

a run d.m.c. or chill raji track and as far as emceeing goes there's so many different amazing talented mcs that have inspired me to name a few. big pun big. care as one percy p. . micah 9 a free stuff fellowship evidence the dilated peoples those are very influential artists and that's a good variety of and you can see that not reflected in your work and said so glad you don't feel bad but you can definitely feel that the style you know and i think you know one of the things that's interesting true is your work you work a lot with young people you know and. you know how has your work with those young people how was that inspired the music and the art that you create the youth of always inspired me since the beginning and especially when times when i guess an artist may get tired of war now from trying to continue working with the youth has

been very inspirational because they provide so much support 1st of all they keep things brand new and fresh for me i don't get worn out or i don't complain a lot a lot of people say like how do you keep going and not complaining about being on the road all the time. just going back home and doing youth outreach it just makes me i get happy true happiness by working with the youth i was always raised in a classroom setting i come from a family of educators and healers so i've always been in the classroom since i was a kid my mom has been a teacher and a big inspiration for that so when people ask why are you so connected to that evolution it's just kind of just who i am and was brought up that way and raised that way. and working with the youth also gives me a sense of purpose that's much deeper than. working for just myself for what would you say monetary gain or certain things like that or some artist going for the fame like that's never really been a focus of mine but. hip-hop practitioners and feel like i have

a responsibility to give back and that's what i really focus on that it's a big focus of part of my mission couldn't afford the jaw a magazine 44 and a 4th that john ordered schoolboy in a boarding school forced the move got chores and more sports in a dorm but only one course of fire chief kept the wood burning before morning outside the outhouse early at 440 past the sheep rug on the floor by the door in the dormitory escaped out of corporate doors and explored my boar pony here to take it back home because you are not a presence do scrub at present not your face and scrape but wait the residue resumes like beams of people resonate with resolute say able to cope with all the pain that we soak in the next generations of welcome but before the preservation was the home you know the nation was stolen but i'm in a sweat lodge see in a vision it's like i'm back out the dream in the grand mother moon in the fetal position.

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you would be wise to watch the possible but not to feel sympathy for the young you pick the moment the liberal says how do you check if they don't put that picture back to your head that when this record disappoints that it's wrong. a lot of people i think especially who are part of you know the indigenous population here in the united states who are part of the native american community of the tribes and things like that you know i think there's a lot of misconceptions out there you know. what do you feel are some of the biggest misconceptions that people have about your culture and where you're coming from. yeah when i'm out and about far away from home i can sometimes sense that people look at us as we're almost not even human beings in certain instances not everywhere i go but there are some places what i can look at somebody and just take a quick glance and they almost look at me with some type a sense of resentment that there are people out there who believe that. we're only

one kind of people i mean there's so many different tribes that exist here in the country and we're all very different a lot of times people to like you know we're sitting here at a bar a lot of times people think that we're just alcoholics myself. i've been over like 6 years alcohol free in light of there's many of us who never even drank or did drugs before so that's another misconception people believe that were poor but were really were very rich in culture tradition cultural heritage a lot of people also believe that. every tribe gets per capita are like we we're helped out are like where we get a helping hand no matter what was really not the case sometimes when you come to the deep parts of the reservations or the most rural areas i think a lot of people in music they only see the big names in the big lights right like they're only used to see in the cat on them t.v. or the cat on the cover of a magazine because i thought but that it's a bigger world than that i've heard it described sort of like you know if you

become in if i don't artist at a certain time you can you know either be in it for monetary gain and be like this was to be considered as a rapper but i consider myself more as and see and i think that allows myself to be more community based and not a self-serving entrepreneur more like you know i'm here of service as well for. representing myself my family my friends but also the culture of hip hop and that sense of pride in me being proud of who i am as an as and in that manner and also as and see it gives me strength but also gives me direction to what i'm actually doing here with the music hip hop is. save my life so. me being me being part of the culture is like just i mean i want to contribute just as much as i can chip papa's help to mean so when they sort of save your life or how did hip hop save your life. hip hop saved my life. through the friendships and

bonds and through the practice of itself i felt like as i was working on these skills the skills were also working on me to become a better person and started out as a homeless artist and if it wasn't for the hip hop community or the hip hop scene at that time i wouldn't have had a place to stay i wouldn't have had. food and just basic survival needs so hip hop community has been there for me since day one and what advice would you give you know our younger. our tribe of inner generational trauma or trauma that. a big part of growing as artists was realizing that i had to.

actualize myself. for much more potential than i would if i didn't believe in myself. myself from there like. i would encourage anyone out there as a positive. thing to be. a half. and half.

crazy. powwow south so. you. don't want to see that. with the. i'm a fan of up man up a man. doesn't wish to help us if we just take a discount to teach us to stress about this stuff that you can teach him but that's just that's just expected to track yes good stuff is traits that they can trust that to be tossed up on the bed just just just water freezes testes water but that's because it's not something i try to it's this sort of magic box that's like to make these plastic like a truck so it's like my people want to present the street i'll head up but don't

get caught up in a trap that's a stand up someone else's because our style they've been based in it's at the foot of the fucking milk with the bob agenda satellite doctors because they don't surprise the feds the deal is still spinning i mean it's obvious that somebody could give up in a big dish to distract if they don't mind is very hysterical times are better prepared but a nightmare for some cabinet you might say never your life back to the hocks they seem practical that tradition of not my decision on him. you do have. you know political nature what you're talking about because i think a lot of what you rub about a lot of what you're songs about you know they like you mentioned with fracking and things like that you know you put those those flavors in there how important is music to changing. politics or changing in issue or attacking an issue or making people aware of an issue like how important is music to. feel like music can inspire and empower many people and i feel like it the messages and

their that. or you look at it like the last song that you did for like the last song that you did for us that's such an enlightening song and it's such a powerful song using the mix of you know your heritage and your people as well as the drum beat and then the hip hop flavor to live the archipelago you know that you know that song has about that song teaches as a tribal person you kind of grow up loving the environment and that's it and that's inside you already instilled so. doesn't make you a. the titian sort of speak but the issues that politics you know surround and they directly relate to our lives and weigh a life so. it's a responsibility for me to create music that. inspires and helps empower others because i was just inspired and empowered from hearing music from a lot of a greats and legends of the hip hop pioneers is that it's a continuation if you're right you know it's

a beautiful continuation. i want to finish up and ask you you know when you look at your career and you look at where you're going you know you're only 33 years old you've got a long career in front of you got a lot more music to write a lot more beauty to produce on this world what do you what do you imagine or what do you hope your legacy use with your music and who you are. and i got it's fired from reading something i think from kara's warner somewhere where he's making music for the future generations creating a catalog that can last and also transcend generations i would like for my music to help inspire future generations and also help anybody in need who. who feels alone or phil's. depressed i mean. i make music just to help a lot and i do make music just likes i do have track i just befire not really. just focus on a specific concept but it's hard to see the ripple effects of us sometimes because

we're just moving and moving and moving and moving i hope to look back one day and be able to. thrive with my music career but also really it's want to give back tenfold as much as i received i mean i've got to say my hip hop has been there since the beginning so it's hard for me to say what i really want out of it it's hard to describe man i just sometimes that the music speaks for itself. and that ladies and gentlemen is our show for you to day thank you all very much for watching and remember in this world we are not. told that we are loved enough so i tell you all i love you i am tyrrel but keep on watching those hawks and have a great day and night everybody. please.

you are no offense but you no longer a young woman in fact you are one of the last living survivors of the nazi ellis asked i'm aware of that. leverage debt all your life. and you can never forget maybe you can now auschwitz was really like to be in hell because you would never believe it was a human ghetto too as a copy of a course for 30 years i'm open to be perfect it all seems so logical for by the same way you always get it right when i get out on the farm saw you don't want to take my son to their next meal so he can listen and hopefully be blessed by her experience. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to

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