our in america today united states reaction to the coronavirus pat demick ranges from complacency to outright panic while the white house tries to reassure a nation still split along partisan lines what the united states government has done and what is it done right what needs more attention the answer to that i'm joined by dr bob are not he's an award winning journalist former chief medical correspondent for n.b.c. and c.b.s. news bestselling author of more than a dozen books he joins us from stoll vermont ok what's what do you think. is the idea that the government to this point is handled this. well you know it's a tough question because the cat so political i do think that the last 5 briefing from the white house have been terrific the give a pretty transparent when they talked about why didn't you close down the united kingdom the next day they did dr found she i worked with since he 1st got his job

in 1983 you know he's the finest infectious disease specialist worldwide united trusted with my life in the course we're all trusting it with our lives now the c.d.c. is simply the best disease surveillance organization anywhere in the world so look at it very responsive to date the president intercity said in the news conference that you know the chinese say you missed more notice if they hadn't hidden all of this earlier that we might do better so listen there's always going to be some 2nd guess the terms if they act quickly enough certainly the testing i think even the government nets could have been on stream a lot earlier there's a new pic part of china and they show that they sort of won you know you saw the the curve go up up up it's going down down down they think by may they'll have 0 cases of corona but they do this by testing every single case isolating every single case in their family they actually being the huge great big centers and put

in beds draconian more than the u.s. to do but they eventually want so listen i would certainly give the medical team very high marks for being responsive now where are we we're muser be far behind in terms of intensive care unit capacity we knew that up to 30 percent of the patients in china needed to be some kind of intensive care and is of the small ring in the states or near to us the ice use are completely filled with routine patients so there's almost no place to put these new coronavirus patients the i.c.u. ventilator problems the probably the biggest there 165000 bed later so you're in the u.s. but you could end up with hundreds of thousands of people on ventilators for weeks the big thing to say larry is this is all data driven and we don't have very much data in the united states because we simply have not tested anough people early enough to know where we are but it's still

a small percentage of people who test positive die what what what kills you doctor in other words if you have this and you don't make it what take your life. so it's a very good question you know this is a respiratory virus for us is i have pretty severe asthma and i'm over that that key age they talk about osiris so i'd be considered a high risk patient now what happens is that the lungs simply become overwhelmed that is the little air sacs where the air exchanges oxygen into the blood they get surrounded by blood information and they have to be on a respirator for days to weeks to be able to survive so the actual question you know these are people already vulnerable they have diabetes their parties the high blood pressure they have asthma they're older and they get this acute respiratory distress and a much what they call now it can kill and ask killed younger people there was

a report out this morning in pediatrics about the severity of this disease in newborns and young children so you know it it does hit across the spectrum the most interesting thing though is that younger people who millennialist may get few if any symptoms and they now believe they're searching for the data to back this up there may be tens of thousands of infected people running around those centers for perhaps infecting others and italy one of the reasons they believe it's been so severe is that it's a multi generational nation that is you have families living together you have the children and grandchildren coming to visit their grandparents on a regular basis and they believe that the grandparents and the grandchildren and the parents may have profit the virus to their grandparents which is why you have an exceedingly high death rate there so again to answer question it's a it's a respiratory virus that some people die it's

a terrifying death you know there are these phone calls or video calls it italy where some of literally says goodbye their family they're gone a few moments later you know it's not like these kinder gentler deaths where you go . to sort of fade he may go in a coma you're wide awake or you're drowning because your lungs simply don't work the statistics about 8 percent of those 7 you know are die 50 percent of those 80 and older die one very important point is you know they talked about biological versus chronological age deborah burst at the press conference the other day and like to point out that people like yourself and hopefully myself who keep ourselves in great shape may have a longer a younger biological age and that hopefully will be helpful for us those dogs who are. acknowledged to have it but don't die why don't they die. so it's

a very good question as to why younger people want to and they think it's because they have a very robust immune system that is you know why don't you people die of cancer your immune system isn't working as well so that's part of it also it seems that older people may have you know of a thing. that we call a cytokines stool and you know all the facets of our immune system come to bear against this virus and create a storm that ends up killing whales but certainly the you know teenagers twenty's thirty's forty's have a much much lower death rate simply because their bodies are able to deal with the virus and they think that there are very few cases among kids fortunately because there have been trumped call is initially a hoax his temperament has changed since then are we late in this. was the question more like you were certainly late because the chinese a didn't reveal this early enough the doctor who who 1st sounded the alarm was

calling the police station and told to sort of keep quiet once the data did come out you know we thought it was just going to be china i think the president did well to cut off the air links between china and the united states and he didn't you know italy was late on that and there are lots of chinese that then made their way into lee by train or connecting flights so we've been very lucky that way in these crises you're always going to be pointed thing of that we could have done things earlier and certainly the thing we could have and should have done a lot earlier if we had the proper test is the test test test you know the chinese experience that just came out yesterday there's a harvard study done with the chinese show that because they were testing in they knew every single pos. and they could isolate them and they could quarantine them they one we don't have any idea right now if you listen very carefully to the pressers they're saying that health care providers and the elderly are going to get

tested and there really hasn't been enough testing yet now you know the admiral from the public health services talked about having this on stream later in the week but this testing only shows if you have the disease i spoke to a company today that has a serums test which they hope to have approved by the f.d.a. that would shows are the general background but this point we just don't know you know the governor of ohio talked about having 100000 cases they 100100000 we don't know so you know the world health organization would say that we're walking blind to this epidemic because the testing is way too late you know you can blame the government for you know not be prepared but they never seen anything like this before so i think you know the thing i'm impressed with larry is i watch these white house press conferences every day and i do think when you listen to you know do a purposely listen to tony fouchier when you listen to the the admiral there that they're highly responsive they're looking at the data they are getting inferences the

imperial college data that came out just a day or 2 ago completely change the game once they saw that there could be you know hundreds and hundreds of thousands of cases and desk that could go up to you know. 2000000 or so then people became alarmed and they really start to make these moves you know tony factually said it best you know if you're here eerily there so if you're reacting to this you ought to be out there and it's very hard in a democracy to be too far out get advances imagineer 23 weeks ago we were all corteen had a set inside it would have been rove all when you start to see the cases the the pictures from italy you catch up so there's always that will i. and i think that we definitely are likely lying testing for light in terms of vaccines which will take a while although the 1st was tested yesterday certainly lacking in terms of treatments but the biggest problem is this our healthcare system is overwhelmed you

know i'm in vermont right now and i know that the 2 biggest hospitals close to me the rice use of fall i know that because i try to refer for patients to 2 days to get that patient in for a very serious condition down in boston you know the major hospitals there are often full you know sitting in the emergency room for a day or 2 to get into an i.c.u. bed a place like mass general don't governor cuomo yesterday said and york that 80 percent of the 3200 i.c.u. bez are full in new york already before they're starting to see the very severe cases so the concern larry is that we are cool clique going to be overwhelmed the hospitals you'll be completely slammed and if you look in italy they were rationed if you walked in over 60 years of age you did not get a ventilator in england they're already talking about ration health care if you're older you're not going to get a ventilator and that's why these massive efforts to try and blunt the curve from

some of its sharp like this to a spike in some of these like this in terms of the caseload of fatalities but it is too little too late in terms of i.c.u. beds and it turns of ventilators for the cases were probably going to say you know they talk about our being 7 days away for more italy is right now unless these efforts work ok no you visited the middle east but how do you explain why this is a runaway disease in iran. you know i think when you look at countries like iran that is run by you know. having seen what they've done to u.s. troops and see what they've done in the middle east by a bunch of terrorists you know there isn't any transparency there is a lot of cover up in iran is would a way would say too late on everything they're talking about potentially millions

of deaths there plus they have a health care system that's not the snuff so you know they talk about iran as a country of hostages and i think that's true i think the poor people are poor and of been held at hostage by this nightmare regime for generations and they're to pay a terrible price because they're simply not prepared they haven't been doing enough testing they certainly don't have the health care facilities and they're going to get slammed in a way that will be unmerciful to the poor hostage people of this this country. bob stay right there will be back with more right after the break.

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back to politicking and back out of my conversation dr bob are not the award winning journalist former chief medical correspondent for n.b.c. and c.b.s. saying dr that noam what your age your best thing to do is stay home. well you know larry yes i think there was a little bit of fraud in the beginning of this where people talked about washing their hands all the time if you were running in your city you could wash your hands all day long you were still going to get or somebody next you caught the real thing is distance no one has proven yet that people are getting it from touching service there is a new paper out this morning and they say that you know steel in the plastic you can live there for longer periods of time of the up to 72 hours since you know so it is a potential risk and it certainly makes sense to wash your hands but the advice this morning from deborah perks the white house coordinator is don't touch any

surface when you leave home just don't touch any surface and i think that isolating is the very best thing to do you know hopefully you haven't been exposed yet these kinds of diseases they do we call burning out you know we look at a polar for instance africa would burn itself out because there's a you know such a highly fed lizzie's up to 75 percent in some countries and here you know if everybody everybody stayed inside for 3 weeks the virus would basically burn itself out there wouldn't be any virus left around even on countertops so i think that the isolating is the most important take you know a surgeon general me a little bit of an erroneous talking about the elbow handshake doesn't work because you want to be 6 feet or more so what i suggest is like the surgeon general that the director general will organization put your hand on your chest you know if you're religious you could do something like this if you're a surfer you could do this if you're truckee you could do this but state at least 6

feet away and there was a case reported of people a boss who apparently contract the virus who might have been 12 to 15 feet away so what i would say is that from the very beginning the watchword shit of a distance distance distance is that of the hand washing the wrong hand washing but again no proven transmission where we know that people do get. from a cough now this morning's paper talked about the aerosol staying in the air for a while afterwards hopefully not enough to infect a lot of people because we're in a much much higher rates but we talk about what's called in our value that is how infectious. you have diseases that might be a 10 or 12 and there's every one patient effect while people terribly factions but with this disease it's about 2.4 so every individual could in fact 2.4 others what happened in china those that were up to about 3 or so it's drop drop drop below 2 down towards one once you've dropped it down towards one in any everyday vidual who

has it is effect you'll less than 2 people then you'll start as siop or not but but it just if you're very good question directly is distance distance distance distance that's going to save us from this current epidemic. of our not thank you so much you're an invaluable addition. oh you're the wonderful remember all those tremendous ears the doing over the years it's wonderful to see you looking so well and healthy and still helping the american public is you have for generations of. cities counties and states across america have begun instituting limits on public gatherings even forcing restaurants and bars to close in response a handful of businesses have threatened to ignore these bans calling them

unconstitutional do they have a legal leg to stand on for that i'm joined by my go pop and tonio long time trial attorney and host of america's lawyer with mike peplum tony and he joins us from pensacola florida do can businesses defy any state rulings that they shut down. larry there's something that's called the it's a constitutional concept called police power it comes from the cut the 10th i'm in with the constitution and it allows a state official a governor or even a mayor to determine where health safety or welfare of the people living in that community are at risk they have the chance to take very extraordinary steps for example the. case that you're seeing a couple of cases developing right now were attorneys are trying to say you can't close my business it's really really bad advice the government can close their business because this power allows them to actually do fairly extraordinary things

one extraordinary thing is that they can do is they can quarantine an entire area that involves closing down bars and close down businesses they can even tell you go to your house and don't come out because there is a curfew so this concept of police powers again it comes from the it's comes directly from the 10th amendment right for a city or state to say we're going to take some extraordinary steps but we have to do that to protect health or safety or welfare of a community the federal government was admittedly late in this calling it a hoax at the beginning can we sue the federal government for being late. it's going to be very difficult to do that if not impossible there are certain there's certain immunity the government officials have we're comes to making

administrative decisions they can be really bad decisions but for us to make the argument the gee whiz you didn't do what you should have done when you should have done it is a pretty weak case there may be some people that give it a try but ultimately by the time skoda takes a look at it they're going to find that there's plenty of precedent to say that's not a viable claim it doesn't mean it can't be done but the viability of that claim won't be long lived on the appellate courts. mike tell us what what legal issues might occur after all this is over. i think one of the biggest issues that we're going to see is we're going to have insurance companies that insure businesses larry and they're going to be saying we don't owe you any money for business loss they're going to say if you look at a typical business loss policy what you'll find is they'll be this language that there has to be some physical impact to the business before you can make

a claim there's all types of predicates that they use to get past that if you take a look at any of these policies it's kind of boilerplate language the chances of these insurance companies actually pulling through and pulling that off are very slim in the right jurisdiction the arguments going to be look we had to leave our business the physical impact you can't see it but it's a virus that has potential to kill my employees and killed the people who want to use my business we would take those cases all day long there's going to be big pushback from the insurance industry larry because they say they're going to do what they call setting reserves what they do is they put amount of money at to the side and they say these are reserve this is reserve money hey it's not taxable be we still can we still can make money on that money that set a set aside it's almost it's almost tax free interest that they're making all that money so they understand that in a something as big as this we saw with b.p.

right here on the coast for example you had you had insurance companies saying no we're not going to cover that and we really had to really have to get involved in some some some litigation to make them come around we're going to see the same thing here businesses that legitimately have been ordered to close down because of this virus have a right to a business claim and you're going to see a big fight taken place between businesses and insurance companies. can cities in florida round up those people out on the beach and there are a lot on beaches today and tell them send them home by edict. they absolutely the governor of florida today could make a pronouncement that the beaches are closed again it comes down to this extraordinary power that's given to the states larry this power goes all the way

back to the revolutionary war in philadelphia during the revolutionary war there was yellow fever so they literally rounded people up put them in stock actually put them in a forced quarantine took them off the road and did that is routine the same thing can happen in a state a municipality can do that they can say you're posing such a public health we're relying on our police power through health safety and welfare rights the 10th amendment gives us and we're going to take an extraordinary step we're going to close this beach if you're on the beach we have the we have the ability to remove you from the beach so the answer is yes hasn't gotten there yet in florida which i think is extraordinary but i think it's going to get there very soon. president trump can invoke the wartime authority and he has had allows them to ban entry into the united states

speed up production resources to be used in the fight against this pandemic do you agree with allowing him that. well he has the absolute right larry it's i think it's 42 code i don't remember exactly is 42 code i think section 20230 maybe 260 that it's right there in the code that he has the absolute right to float to slow down the flow of immigration both he's already he's already doing it in canada he's saying he's not going to close the border and can't on the mexico i think it's just a matter of time that that happens yes but that larry that is another one of those extraordinary rights that if you push it up if you say you have this right president and you have this right that some if you if you balance it against issues like equal protection or due process most of the time that police power that

he has is going to trump it every single time same way with the state if you have an equal protection issue or you have a due process issue most of the time the police power is so strong that it's going to be an extraordinary showing that there's been some due process violated or some equal protection violated so to get the quick answer is yes he can do that it's going to be held constitutional anybody who tries to test it is going to be wasting their time the appellate courts are going to rely on not only in precedent but they're going to rely on i think it's i think it's 42 u.s. code is where he has the right to do that. mike is all is thanks for your insight thank you larry stay safe and thank you for joining me on this edition of the politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things don't forget to use the politicking ash tag and that's over this

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