the millions who have been inspired by your work the fight for freedom and justice that you've undertaken in your life what would you say to them who are now profoundly pessimistic about the neo liberal response to a pandemic let alone gross inequality around the world well basically we find. it difficult to come out on the streets because of the nature of this epidemic but i think what the epidemic actually teaches us is that the system under which we live is a proof soundly floor. and it does not alter the world a future that is worth living to put it at its heart i mean the notion that well is the only do not enter to prove the. names and then still this day and wealthy people will get their way you know by saving

their lives i don't practice them that well what about the restaurants the work so i take the newton broke up until a system which is being enforced now effectively since the eighty's and charge since the ninety's of the last century needs to be dismantled all the countries there are seriously attempting to come to grips with this epidemic i mean macro in france was korea it was election is based on making france to be near liberal state has now been forced to reverse all that and offering to pay the utility beers council tax you know people not so well off except prince shows that deep down this entire layo through worst major government of the western world are aware that the system which they're being defended and simple. doesn't

work for a majority of people that's the lesson to be graunt of to the wires that's being tackled there and surely if i may just say one of the countries that are shown no panic because it is prepared for these claims is the tiny island of cuba where cruise ships which are not allowed to land anywhere on joc anywhere are jocking in cuba being greeted by the population most all and are to be treated by the doctors and the cubans assuming free medicines all over outstrip them now that is them all whereas in the west their student government decided move the to maintain sanctions against iran or venezuela which is totally incomplete the discussed stick though this is still going on when those in the higher world is facing this crisis in fairness to morris johnson's foreign office and a stand that the british government have thanked the cuban government for taking

the ship the braemar into port but certainly no condemnation from here about the u.s. sanctions on the island i want to get on to some of those other issues a bit later and today's anniversary of the iraq war but you're also a novelist and putting your novelist hat on how do you characterize near liberal culture and art given the fact that most people's cultural imagination of a pandemic is really from hollywood and from films that what we have to go on well i mean you know it's a lot of the culture today obviously is dominated by a form of neo liberalism. ill carriages individualists some of the most a group has sort of you know this and be worshiped of 1st celebrities then someone extremely well known on television or a very strong. actor. it is almost greeted as

a dog and this is really deep you know become much much worse so. 30 to 40 years so this. proves venice people almost not completely from thinking collectively and actually it's not tell by the technology either that the old internet revolution that mistaken place encourages individual ism of course it needs i mean the number of people you run into on the buses all the tubes are on pavement so even on their bikes they see you know from the noises of the real world if i can put it like that their eyes sealed off from what is going on around them because they're concentrating on ones that are normal on the singles grange now it needn't be like this but that is what it's been and i

think in it selma's strange frightening eerie way what we are witnessing now is people beginning to think again beyond themselves holy wall is you know produce the old film like contagion what does that do it just creates korea i mean the thing is not to create fear but to create hope not to create best 70 but to encourage people to be to be active and they is now at the station response to this crisis i mean someone wrote from send up all saying that here or in south korea and in japan the the detainee's testing testing the entire population regularly and not banning contact with each other except physical contact so there are many many different ways of looking at it on the fact that the chinese them. helps the. root ball tipples novels in the new

gears to be rooted anywhere in the country shows that actually in the interests of ordinary people and have been a factor anyway but what about the united states where you don't even have 3 outs deeply shocking the richest most powerful country in the world got untreated spot relation because of capitalists dock on us and the one candidate and beginning for a. national health service in the united states is most likely to be defeated but a sleepy joe biden so it's a very weird big job but i think there are lessons to be no i think many people will learn i'm saying that if this is what you have to do in emergencies why can't you change the way in we treat live well hollywood at least though is how a lot of people describe what happened 17 years ago today when the world woke up to

the pictures of the u.s. and u.k. bombing of baghdad why is it still relevant what happened in 2003 why is it still relevant to all our lives right now because it's still going on that's the 1st reason that it was 17 years ago it was iraq. and the. comments that are being inflicted on this country the brutality the cruelty the u.s. do not to by. doing everything possible to find shias from sudanese one day playing with the shia giving them. which makes your arm the central are in the region and. which makes your arm the central are in the region and then suddenly blaming other forces for it they did it they did. it or not they are

targeting iran and they're. basically using the saudis to control the sunni population. and most important of all just trying the social infrastructure of that country that is will disaster doubtless a mess my friend noomi client calls it that it's all day here in iraq they just royally in the country and if you think about it today where the entire world is thinking about corona virus i have absolutely no doubt and i can say this with up a list that the health service created by the iraqi series of iraqi governments was one of the best in the middle east and not a bit much better able to cope with this resident the moment in iraq a wall to trigger off another war. in the region. syria.

war there created massive movement of populations in refugees this war is still going on even as all of europe keep them and is appealing to the united states to withdraw all its troops from the region and it's being ignored you talk to many iraqis to do of all political persuasions and they will say it openly we are much better off under us than that is what they say can i just say can i get a dowry if anyone thinks you're an apologist for saddam hussein you made me work on a program in the eighty's about thatcher's support for saddam hussein what is it like actually personally given that you came under pressure for that channel of our program because he was an ally of britain and then over the end if it's which is a matter for folks we would join for cham for if you remember laws. the architecture of fear and we were it was. cultural political program showing those

who built these giant danticat monumental statues of a model from said oh no i don't like this and dominated. especially in the military areas the parade grounds and we were doing a critical piece of this and we came under a lot of pressure not to do it i remember. when you or someone else researching that program rack up the company in basingstoke in an area in england. which did it for baddies big arms made created them and then shipped the answer to both that they said why ain't going to sets of credibly. so many of us who are pro critical of. when he was actually in by our. what then attacked

for opposing a iraq war we live in a strange world priorities are decided new rules are decided depending on whom the united states a settled on as the enemy of the month and disses become an enemy of the poor need be to get kits i mean if you think the iraq war that american soldiers are still that libya has been destroyed that syria is trying to recover from an horrific civil war then afghanistan is still occupied all of these roles of lasted longer than the 1st and 2nd world wars book to get and they carry on and what it angers will be is that citizens in most of the western world a europe north america sleep or carefree day basically ignore a lot their governments. countries have been doing to the middle east which isn't

as state of. the retreat just structure on many many levels glued it least so should be not only cultural when the better stadiums left with absolutely nothing to basically supported but the united states israel and egypt receiving huge subsidies to this dish or acquiescing in what has been how to make sure the up. in so members rebel all souls of. monsters are emerging from the aftermath of this war people say attack isis that's the ones group who created it how did it come about al-qaeda was not present in iraq under saddam was that it went in with the american troops and the troops of other countries supporting them so it's not difficult

to do to draw direct link between the bombing of both berg all those years ago and the state of the middle east today britain of the united states of course to this day completely did i agree a thing i says day ash tag i'll stop you there more from jericho ali after this short break. a dark industry comes to life in los angeles every night. dozens of women sell their bodies on the street many of them under-age. los angeles police reveal a taste of their daily challenge if you're going to avoid a child here in los angeles there are going to come out of your busy offices going undercover as sex workers and customers to fight the l.a. sex trade.

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welcome back i'm still here with tariq ali you were speaking at rallies the largest global demonstration in history was against the iraq war last does it not show that protest marches do not stop wars like the one that happened 17 years ago today and what difference was iraq to vietnam because obviously mick jagger and the rolling stone sang about your opposition to the vietnam war how is it different i think the main difference is in what happened to the world in the ninety's in my opinion the fact that the soviet union collapsed that china and wimps the way it did created a huge wave of demoralized nation evil amongst people who basically didn't serve all these governments but saw them as creating those space between 2 blocks

and in that space we can all function and live be critical of one euro side we want to do ones that counterbalance disappeared the united states' book game the head of our on a global scale and people fail them a new alternatives the iraq iraq war terms crucial in my opinion was the 1st sign that people were searching for something else 1st be by staying don't make war on iraq and these demonstrations were huge and. new york but if we look back on it over a 1000000 people in london 2000000 people in madrid nearly 3000000 in a row over 200002 new york hundreds of thousands all over and the phony i should go every american city in provincial

capital state capital was infected in affected by a desire to stop the war they were ignored and one reason they were ignored is that they had no following and little support in parliament when you have the republicans and the democrats waging war. and supporting it when you have too many black band prime minister in britain the conservative opposition supporting the war then you know you can have 2 or 3000000 people and you know that it's a reality of it and been never came out again and those numbers i remember saying at the big demonstration and. we're all trying to fight against the war don't imagine it won't take place or words to that effect and really more obscure with this start bombing. where we didn't we couldn't them all satinder but

effectively they got away with it but it will be wrong to draw from this the conclusion their protest is useless it may not always be effective but creating a different public opinion is extremely important i am not now and nothing's being done. and these really occupation has been sanctified by a crime back and terror de facto by the european union days no chance of the palestinians getting any form of state even the most not in the. present time nothing happens the world is. that total ghetto completely wrecked by disease the palestinian authority has got so used to collaboration with the israelis that they basically don't know what to do when they oppose what's playing now they participated in creating this situation where the

british while it was not a marketplace that's what i say but that doesn't mean we stop arguing your baiting mobilising i mean life would be awful if one just became well the british the labor party his ministers obviously committed us to war in iraq 17 years ago obviously. protecting israel arguably after the after the jeremy corbyn years why do you think that this same labor party as it were is so keen to re-invite people who are associated with the iraq war back even to the party including i mean care started a leading figure once tony blair's head of war propaganda alistair campbell back in the labor party is this opposition party does it understand what you've been saying well i think there are 2 things one has to see about a party what is the insurrection on little girl insurrection of the young

country and we call bill interim our power as fracture. in my opinion and momentum became exclusively true and machine if not exclusively 80 percent of it through are low there mick in addition to that also doing a lot of political campaigning political education etc so that the strength of traditional live gruesome which is that the only thing we do is win the election is now back in falls the left was given no chance the left was defeated not even going to ask. searching for why the left was defeated refusing to accept their need was because labor joined him all the parliamentary moorings to prevent a referendum from being implemented to care starmer let me just say obviously associated according to the un with the persecution of julian

a son from whom and because of whom we know so much more about iraq than we have a did back then how frightened are you for julian assad's can i just as the founder of wiki leaks given he's in belmarsh prison and governors of prisons in this country obviously are worried about the spread of coronavirus most truly worried about truly moon for many many. i mean initially it seemed that they were imposing a regime not really cheating on him in that prison which could have led to a no the debt that is what a number of doctors said and then the governor of the prison. brutish rager who none of the judges wanted to try to change because it's not neagle that's the governor's domain which is not that good for breast baring befall them is not an offense state to give evidence they have every right to challenge. the governor of the prince who julian is deliberately being mistreated the case is completely

manufactured new cement so the un report on torture has made a very powerful intervention saying that they say what took place in sweden when he was accused of rape something you always deny and was defending crap not processed and designed to discredit him and lose or we close relatively successful i think many people seem to prove that but the fact is this accusation against judy. on security matters is completely bizarre and everyone else it is the americans know it's the only when they can get him back into the states the british and know that this is a political decision it has nothing to do with the law and i'm going along with it and i hope that some sense prevails when the case goes to the supreme court and this concrete because it is quite shocking what has happened to julie and i hope

years dharma said were to go to mess a many many years ago has learnt a few lessons. from that and i think this is something wait show even boris johnson who is being the most of his life we journalists should understand if you agree to. what the americans are asking you to do i mean today it's a very. exposed war crimes tomorrow it could affect other journalists who spose other things which the united states didn't want to expose and the americans all already have said washington is dead any foreign journalists the u.s. constitution doesn't apply to them so they can pick anyone up and they're over to washington to be tried since most governments do their bidding and eat certainly the torture has been written about people who watch our interviews with meals well

to the un special rapporteur on torture better if one can forgive a media in a coronavirus crisis for not covering the sun is not covering the the continued bombing of iraq backed by britain of by the united states in the past few days. there is that just nation being passed through parliament and if it's not martial law it's military immunity legislation. what do you think about why boris ransom is keen on personal immunity for british soldiers is it somehow emblematic of british intervention a 3 mile island to iraq absolutely. clear you want to stay out late a situation where british soldiers are immune from. prosecution i mean this is something we've fought against in many countries where the miller crizal salute the camilla grew shouldn't out these days it's a big court against in the united states where many energy war activities one to

u.s. officers involved in massacres from be it ma'am on what's charged to cry. it is still done to those who the west regards it as the enemies of the international criminal court functions just as a court goes who are guarded as enemies or west so it's i don't own a circle of what is going on well just finally in the when it comes to colonial legacies kashmir is of course a colonial legacy and the sudan the indian government has again put it under total lockdown we had the high commissioner on this show said it was being freed up a little of course it is the center of a nuclear possible nuclear conflict just tell me what you think about how coronavirus for instance can be used as an excuse to do all sorts of things by different governments but especially what on earth is happening in kashmir shear is . the highest incidence of grunow arris

afflictions anywhere in india. and the recent focus is that large numbers of fisheries are in prison many are in concentration camps not being given medical aid. from some of the reports out calls from friends being left to die and the world. stays silent because the world today's world likes know in their own body and the be shippey because they are of global strategic planning. on many issues so the schmear is being ignored the lock down on me took place many months ago when india abandoned its own constitution and effectively said made respect to being degraded and the rest of india very few protests i mean

made a few protests but they were pretty due to a very few are countries backed. me course so the question remains like that to me and some today very isolated and you know one feels for them and the other thing on this i have to say is that i'm very glad there's an opposition in indiana resistance on the new citizenship more d. is implemented and this is quite deep in many provinces but all those people who defend most losen of the citizenship law have remained not all but maybe most of those have remained silent on the question me and the reason they remain silent is because question here is regarded as a security issue because of her as a member of creation which don't play as many years ago and stopped many years ago to by and large so in the end speak up on that issue maner as far as bush meter is

concerned terrible silence as both 80 and i mean the speed who don't live in it i mean i would be if i did live it name is very noticeable how little solidarity there has to be with us rovers invite the high commissioner for india back on land the israeli ambassador in london tie got a thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday as the coronavirus death toll continues to rise to ask theoretical physicist professor brian greene about the cosmic come under him that surrounds the only animal in the known universe aware of its own mortality humans until then with yourself isolating from the front line join the underground by following us on you tube twitter facebook instagram and.

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