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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle as the election cycle rages on the media highlights or even invents what they deem to be important even radical what they don't tell you is how the political center is collapsing and why today's campaign is what voters think about the status quo. crosstalk in the liberal collapse i'm joined by my guest lead on jones in atlanta

she's an attorney and former state director for bernie sanders in 2016 in washington we have christopher barron he is a conservative strategist as well as president of right turn strategies and in strasburg we cross to john laughlin he's a political scientist and historian as well as lecturer in european history at the university institute. st pius the 10th in paris all right the cross cycles in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to john in strasburg to give us a little pain aramic view right here. i was thinking of a couple of days ago looking at the surge or apparent surge or invented surge of pete booted gedge and i kept thinking while. america now has its own version of the menu well mccrone ok a poster child for power for the status quo and almost no one likes them but you can't do anything about it ok that's exactly what we're facing here and as i also said in my introduction it we're told so much about what this candidate stands for

what that candidate stands for but nobody really wants to look at what the voters really want and they want a continuation of 2016 of confronting the elites ok but you won't learn that on c.n.n. or m s n b c go ahead john. why i think the comparison with merkel is a very good one because. in france shows that in spite of all the rhetoric that we had in 2016 about the sit in the rice of trump and so on it shows how strong i won't call it the political center because i don't think that's quite the right word i would say the political cartel ok strong is a good cartel remains and determined a political cultural is to hang on to power in fact i would almost say that the rhetoric of a sort of populist bricks through which some intuitions use on both sides of the atlantic is almost feeding in to the horror stories that the

cartel tells in order to keep itself in power it tells people oh my god you know we're the only safe pair of hands if you if you let these terrible like drum or both of bricks into whatever then the entire system will come crashing down so i would almost say that this idea of a sudden bring down of the center is itself a. of the religion who come to. visit this thing in ok i really like the term cartel here don apparently the cartel doesn't know how to flip a coin ok because i think our viewers saw this coin flipping in iowa what in the world was that about and it just backs up exactly what john was saying they're going to do anything anything they stay in power i mean hypocrisy out the window i mean that's not even embarrassed by this now ok and i speak i say this as a conservative because i think what's happening to bernie is shameful and the powers that be are backing it up they're calling someone

a front runner based on no evidence and no facts whatsoever and it's virtues signalling and you know what all those people that canvas to that ridiculous system they have their hours and hours and hours taking time off from work and then what you do is you turn around and spit in their face sorry for being so blunt but that's exactly what it is go ahead. there may have been and it's obvious listen i oh what an embarrassing mess for democrats however i will say one thing that bernie sanders has is this cartel of people right he has a campaign that was already built unlike any other candidate in the race so i'm not going to say that the party is trying to rig it against him again because even if that is the expectation his people know how to get around it because they are self organized army despite that this is a primary and that's what primaries are about the democrats are lucky that we have a wide variety from the left to the right moderate centrist candidate is that each of us can go out and choose as long as we actually participate in this process and

not be discouraged by what happened i will however i will was an eye opener there's time for us to make it all that is and that's the focus that i think we did ok but it's not an eye opener it's setting a trend in a precedent ok don't trust the vote don't trust the voters trust us to the people that are reporting it ok i mean i think it's patently obvious that judge is an invention. he's been created to take this role here and you know what with joe you know flailing and you know you have other candidates that are mount reaching the mark of global char is nice but you know that it's all a marketing strategy but it's not the candidates it's not the parties doing the marketing it's the media framing the narrative and i find it so insulting to the democratic party and that's what they did to trump ok they tried to do that and it turned out the party ok ok christopher jump in what do you put your sorry. bridge between what is the difference between c.n.n. and b. c. and d. and c.

just think about that chris christie for jumping in oh it's a huge difference. you're going to you have all that you've got you've got it larry i got it i need everyone in that program 1st and then we can jump in it's christopher's turn go ahead christopher. you're got john kerry being caught on the phone in iowa talking about how he's thinking about jumping. into the race because he wants to stop bertie sanders look at the end of the day i think sanders is actually going to win this nomination but he's going to have to fight like hell for it because the democratic establishment and their friends in the corporate media are going to do everything they can to stop him in the same way that they tried to stop donald trump in 2016 what happened in 2016 is trump all the animals in the party out of their cages in the republican party and if bernie is going to succeed he asked to do the same thing he's going to fight for it tooth and nail because they will do everything from inventing characters like boo to judge to bloomberg and his billions to the onslaught of negative opposition research which is coming

it is coming at the dump is coming soon for bernie sanders he is going to have to fight tooth and nail the same way that trump did in 2016 and frankly i think it's good for democracy to have a real you know a real debate about the future to have 2 people standing on stage who offer very different views for the future and who actually believe what they're saying i think it's good for democracy and good for our country you know but i think that's a very good point chris or not and i take it on board but i think you can flip the coin and i think the process this is a diligent legitimizing the democratic process i mean i it was a perfect example of that i don't believe this story about this app and all this is a bit too convenient and due to judges campaign connection to the people who were involved with that app i mean that's kind of fishy as well ok john to me it is it's really holding the democratic process in contempt because if they don't get the outcome they want then they're going to say it's not legitimate go ahead. well

that's obviously what they did with their transfers of one nose 1st on russia and then on ukraine we'll have to see whether bernie sanders wins the nomination or when to see if he wins in new hampshire for that matter. i'm surprised that christopher is optimistic for him maybe he's right but if he is right then america will be the other states will be breaking the mold because in europe that's absolutely not what's happening at all again in spite of all the talk about populism and the end of consensus and so on the european picture is very different the european situation is one in which the left the old left the sort of left of bernie sanders in bodies has completely collapsed yet the british labor party has been totally decimated in the latest general election the socialist party in france barely exists anymore it had to sell its headquarters in order to survive financially the social democratic party in germany is extremely weak and although there are some right wing populist parties in europe had some success the league in

italy the freedom party in austria. basically they have also been chased out of office yet by the cartel. right now on this side of the atlantic i'm afraid the cartel is doing extremely well and certainly as far as for example france is concerned american in spite of his unpopularity has a perfectly good chance of winning at the time of the next presidential election in 2022 that's right you know we're down you know one of the things i really like about bernie sanders is he talks about real people he doesn't talk about these newfangled idea this virtuous signaling and all of this i don't i'm just i don't get it ok i'm a political junkie i don't understand most of the white noise particularly on the left ok but i mean when bernie talks he talks about real people and real problems and you know what he's been doing it for a long time right now that you know i you know not someone that was 47 years.

zoltan decided to become a democrat you know after you know slogging for financial institutions for years on time out elizabeth warren here i mean but i think the democratic party is really detached from the d.n.c. in the media they like these other you know explaining is things that you know maybe there are people that some people that are interested in it but most people who say you know what you know where's the beef you know how my going to make my life better for me that's really the bread and butter of politics bernie is a chef at it he is great at it ok very much like donald trump you know though there obviously is a go ahead well done well you know so i was they overall the democratic party is much more in line with what the people on the ground actually need and however i agree with you bernie sanders has been consistent and talking about the people who are that bottom percentage of americans who simply just need a hand up you talked about dede legitimize in the process you know i wasn't great but we know from 2016 there's another thing the d

d legitimize the american process and that's the electorial college just like iowa it is antiquated it is old and we know that because trump won all the losing the popular vote and so these things that we talk about the democratic party but i think the american political system as a whole probably need that overhaul and what we will see is that it's not a centrist moving left moving right is that most of the people care about their everyday needs making sure they can feed their family good education for their children ok in that regard i think i go to my view on that part of the electoral college no way when did i have a solution chris to read before we go to the why don't we go back to paper and pencil ballots ok i'm sorry i think it seems to work for all of the ok i don't know what's wrong with that recycled paper we don't have to cut down trees 40 seconds before we go to the break. look i think what people i think what people wanted this country is that they are tired of the politics of the elites that did. work for

average working class americans that's the appeal of donald trump on the right that's the appeal of bernie sanders on the left and that's why i said i think it's great for democracy to actually have an open and honest discussion about the future instead of the cartel of the center that's only interested in the moneyed interests that it represents that's the system that's broken and that's the system that both donald trump and bernie sanders are an absolute revolt to ok i'm going to jump in here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the liberal collapse stay with.

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welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the liberal collapse. ok let's go back to john in strasburg i have my own pet theory about all of this if there isn't a candidate a democratic candidate that comes into. force after super tuesday we're going to have some kind of brokered convention here and i say assume and i'm really interested in what donald have to say about this but 1st john is that i think the cartel and i'm going to start using that term and i always cite you for i think the cartel would prefer to have trump have the democrats lose and have trump reelected because we have seen over the last 3 years or so that they've been able to really

crimp him on his foreign policy very tightly ok he has no foreign policy real success in my opinion and we still have too many of these deep state creatures even though the finally the bin laden twins are out of the white house finally but it's going to be it's slow going ok because it's so bipartisan so what do you think of that proposition that the cartel would prefer to see the democrats lose than bernie when you go ahead. i understand what you're driving at i suppose i hadn't really ever thought that bernie sanders could win the presidency so in other words i think that it's they'll be bowing to the inevitable trump has kept us guessing hasn't he beat her ever since he was elected we have many of us may have placed hopes in him particularly on foreign policy issues and we've been cruelly disappointed but he carries on talking the talk even if he's not walking the walk i suppose i'm afraid i'm probably guilty of letting my hopes carry away carry the day of my analysis when i say that you know one thing hopes are one things that perhaps

this endless deep state conspiracy against him will come to an end 2nd it wins a 2nd and that after all after the impeachment vote. on the on tuesday the. there was a bit of a purge wasn't there that you mentioned of in twins where out the bastard to the e.u. was up and so on if manages to win a 2nd term maybe he will feel strong enough to. carry the purge further or at least to implement the foreign policy that he's been talking about he was elected on but i agree it's a tough one because if and if the last 4 years of daughters are nothing it is indeed the power by the way i've said this before on cross talk it's not the deep state it's the state it's the state department the congress the pentagon it's the whole apparatus of the state not just the covert operatives in the in the cia and the other intelligence services it's the whole of the state and that's what makes

the whole challenge of dissident politicians populist politicians so difficult because even if you're the president of the united states with the separation of powers and all the rest of it and with the general institutional inertia it is incredibly difficult to turn things around and you certainly can't do it in in 4 years yanno even character like mrs thatcher in britain. was in power for more than 11 years and even her successes although considerable were no doubt less considerable and she would have hoped for so there is a terrible. amount of as i say institutional inertia even for politicians who are radical and who are determined to be radical yeah apparently john and john brennan still has his security clearance. unbelievable unbelievable don let me go get me to give my my pet theory to you i mean it would you think that if bernie were

to get the nomination which i think if the popular will even with r n equated the primaries of the popular will answer it would be bernie but the d.n.c. prefer to see him lose and. then when against donald trump in november go ahead. no no i think it is pretty clear across the board or that the goal is to get trump out of office by any means necessary and that includes bernie sanders warning so i don't think that they're going to undermine the process to that and what i would love to see and i think what with that the democrats apart is that just like changing our we need to change some of the processes you know what i want to know now for every single person that is in this primary race who would you pick for vice president today not acting at the convention right now whether they were going to be your v.p. or not because that is the kind of thing that when ok i'll tell you had i think from the center left and right i think i'll tell you what i'll answer your question is a really good one i think there's only one that can be president bernie sanders though i think you'll be denied it by the d.n.c.

and the media but all the other ones are all running for vice president ok we'll see looks like booted judges getting the not getting the nod somehow ok that's what it looks like to me it looks very engineered somebody's got a whiteboard in there taken the boxes ok and it's all against your guy ok it's against bernie again let me go to christopher here christopher bernie sanders calls himself a socialist a democratic socialist i mean i don't really know what that means but a lot of people if you look at public opinion polls good is a lot of i know what it is i used to be a university professor ok but i'm looking at how it's being spun in the media ok believe me i've read my share of mark's angles len in the group john smiling at me we've bred all that stuff ok but christopher. why is think what is the appeal of socialism as it's coined in american parlance because a public opinion poll after another shows

a lot of people are quite interested in what it may have a american accent to it ok go ahead chris. i mean i think it's the it's the not it's the what we don't have now i don't think the majority of americans are are going to vote for socialist policies or actually support socialist policies i think that they're so absolutely upset with the establishment now that they feel that our institutions are no longer responsive to us that they're willing to accept something anything that's different and look by the way in 2016 to back to your point before peter 2016 there were lots of republicans who thought fine nominate trump let him lose in 40 states and then we can swoop back in and say see we told you this was going to be a disaster unfortunately for them but that's not what happened i think there are plenty i think there are plenty of establishment democrats who if bernie wrestles the nomination from him which i expect are going to say they'll be the jeb bush's of the world hillary clinton to say i refuse to endorse and i'm going to have our

own evan mcmullan that i'm going to vote for because they expect bernie to lose their so unbelievably out of touch with where the american people are it is going to mean want to watch what happened there in 2016 ok let done jumping i don't look i look i want bernie sanders to be the nominee to get a good lead on that support of the program jump in please do. i mean the reality is and i love it i mean i think it's very creative on the conservative side take the russian talking points from last year from 2016 what was put out on twitter was put out on social media say well we know this makes them angry this is how we split their party how it's going to burn down the center right now what happens to barney hey hillary's. hillary what's your nominee from 4 years ago and she's out there trash talking your candidate you shouldn't be upset with me nobody alive you know how he's let me tell you what he likes it or do you ladies out there know what i

see out of your nominee now nobody likes bernie yeah ok i mean i was like are you there anything that. well you're going to take several things i'll agree to let me to go in the forest and say in the forest ok let me go let me go you're going to get us down here john it's good to reflect upon something that christopher just said here i mean if people know what they don't want now ok and they don't like the status quo that's the whole point here and i agree with them about how people are receptive to socialism which is 3 americans on the program that were for bode for a very very long time in american political discourse ok and but i think that christopher is absolutely right is that the status quo isn't working there's a perception it's not working for the average person i mean you could look at all these macro economic numbers which is nice and fine but it doesn't necessarily you can say yeah the economy's doing great but you could also say it's not doing great for me though ok and i think that's is what i think the g.o.p.

often misses on this is well ok particularly someone like sean hannity that goes you know every night it's a litany of the same thing over and over and over again go ahead john people know what they don't want go ahead joe but the fact is piece to the sociological phenomenon that you're describing which is the disenchantment of a lot of the electorate you didn't say but i think you probably mean the blue collar electorate and we used to. well in class. that disenchantment does not record in states or europe translate into votes for the left it translates into votes for the right or parties that are called right wing populist right wing it's those parties and trump is obviously the prime example of this the british conservative party is another one it's those parties that are picking up the disaffected working class or blue collar collude. there's another factor you're forgetting in that there is a huge factor so democrats

a lot of the left leaning folks in america are in the south and what we see in tennessee and georgia in mississippi their clothing voting precincts they are making it more and more difficult for people to register develop their purging voter so that number does come out for democrats the problem is there are still conservatives in charge in the states that can suppress 200250000 vote at a time making it difficult for those people who are energetic and for obama and all 12 they're making it a little bit harder for them to participate and everything the vote count so i think you may be wrong in that i think it may energize the rights of voters but also it's showing the suppression of the voters on the lab it might be a little it don but if they continue to screw around public i hang on hang on it because we're almost out of but if they continue to screw around with bernie i would say a lot of bernie supporters simply won't vote you cheated twice what's the point the system is broken the system is rigged and a lot of other people going to feel the same way what's the point what's the point

if we if we see another iowa ok or something similar to it ok chris we're going to give you a last minute on the program go ahead. i must say republicans spent 30 years trying to find the infamous reagan democrats to their electoral defeat time and time again and i think democrats are going to be on this mysterious hunt for the disaffected blue collar working class vote that they have that have they spurned their party and i don't think there's any way that they're getting those people back that's not going to be the future for the democratic party they're not winning back the trump voters from pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin they're never coming home again it took republicans a long time to figure out that reagan democrats were actually just democrats it's going to take the democratic party a long time to figure out that the trump working class are just republicans well and also the focus on workers who is what i'm really glad that john brought up the working people though it is to define do over time because of technology but

families creating families keeping families together the opiate crisis real problems that affect real people ok and you know and i'll get in trouble for saying this not just transgender toilets ok maybe that's there but it's not the high end and i think this is what trump and bernie sanders are doing and i hope to see them face off in november us all the time we have many thanks to my guest in atlanta washington and in stroudsburg and thanks to our viewers for watching us here to see you next time and remember. traded investment to become magic spells to come economic development. most people think about trade they think about goods and services being exchanged between countries the investment chapter of the trade agreement as opposed to looking very

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welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is on to u.k. . i developed marland seem to. grow the virus and say the temperature and this is the core problem medical advice was tested not tested positive. u.k. prime minister barak's johnson and health secretary matt hancock are confirmed to have coronavirus as the pandemic hits the heart of government. doctors in northern ireland claim they're being forced to work in special virus centers risking cross infection to their practices and family is.

the u.k. police now have powers to fine and even arrests those breaching the long down the public is encouraged to report their neighbors holding mass gatherings but should day we hear from both sides of the debate. and critics say it out of business leaders including celebrity chefs for sucking start despite the government bailout . welcome to r.t. u.k. prime minister boris johnson and health secretary matt hancock have tested positive for corona virus but the pm has confirmed he'll continue to remain in charge of the government r.t. shadi evers daschle choice for now with the latest hi there shadow so as we've been hearing then coronavirus at the heart of government absolutely that 19 has now hit the heart of westminster as you say forest johnson the prime minister and indeed

the house secretary about both tested positive for corona virus the prime minister after exhibiting mild symptoms was advised by the chief medical officer to get tested and yes he has indeed caught the infection now right here on twitter he says he is self isolating and number 10 but will be still in charge of operations to tackle the outbreak. hi folks i want to bring you up to speed is something that's happening today which is that i've developed models symptoms or the corona virus that's to say a temperature and a persistent cough and on the advice of the chief medical officer i've taken a test that has come out positive so i'm working from home i'm so over isolating and that's entirely the right thing to do but be in a diet that i can continue thanks to that was reborn technology to communicate with all my talk team to lead the national fight back against corona virus and i want to

thank everybody who's involved i want to thank but of course above all our amazing n.h.s. staff it was very moving last night to join in that national crap for the n.h.s. as you just had the prime minister saying he is well enough to still conduct operations when it comes to tackling private 19 he says he'll use technology rather than face to face meetings and it's understood he even chaired today's morning briefing of that 19 daily meeting with his cabinet again via video link well shortly after the prime minister announced his health issues the health secretary hank looked at the same he says he too has tested positive for corona virus after developing mild symptoms of a fever and a persistent cough on a wednesday night he says he self i say to a working from home. i've also had some mild symptoms of coronavirus and palm medical advice was tested and the test has been positive so i'll be self

isolating here till next thursday fortunately for me the symptoms so far been very mild so i've been able to carry on with the work of driving forward the response but of course the question is now who indeed has the prime minister and the house secretary been in contact with boris johnson for weeks now has been a very close proximity with top advisors including the chief medical officer and the chief science officer just on friday evening last friday night boris johnson was appearing at his daily press on the podium with the 2 of them clearly not observing that to meet a social distance as advised then obviously just on wednesday he was present in the house of commons for prime minister's questions it was an unique and unusual set up because m.p.'s were abiding by a social distancing rotation mechanism to try and maintain that to me to gap of course a very unique time in various m.p.'s that have gone a step further to self isolate themselves but last night was even more critical and

crucial because the prime minister was alongside really soon at the chancellor paying tribute to the n.h.s. staff alongside that nationwide tribute to not himself the chancellor not yet has been tested and nor has the government's chief advisor dominic cummings who earlier today was seen running out of downing street. well yesterday or so that's all the information about the government what are the latest figures well the latest figures are actually quite staggering we're now nearly up to 15000 people across the united kingdom have contract with the virus at present there have been 759 deaths u.k. why in the last 24 hours we have seen the largest spike to date now on the matter of testing 115000 people have been testing but it's this crucial issue as to who is getting. sting many are wondering whether or not the government can cope and whether 2 or not they're really prepared for it i think most people would agree it's perfectly understandable and reasonable to track the prime minister's house

but the realigns r.t. is that medical staff on the frontline do not have access themself online twitter users are 1 saying that there's a real hypocrisy many are calling this a queue jumping remember of course earlier this week prince charles also tested positive many a century very angry that the frontline of the crisis not being adequately treated or protected so for now boris johnson says he is not stepping back from running the government's response to the coronavirus but waiting in the wings just in case is dominic drop the foreign secretary he says he is ready to step up to the plate if need be but just as a reminder the name of the house minister earlier this month should contract it coronavirus at the time it was a shock to everybody in westminster but today we're clearly seeing that parliament is now becoming a hotspot for 19 sonu sood so shadier thank you very much thank you. well dr david bill told me it's no surprise those at the top have the disease but there's still

a major problem testing politicians but not medical staff think what this shows more than anything is the virus doesn't discriminate you know rich and poor those people empower those people like the rest of us who are normal working people and that's why the government has been really clear about this whole isolation which is as the as the curve started to increase dramatically that's why they imposed those isolation measures in that particular that 2 metres distancing but clearly there is a huge concern here you've got the prime minister who has it now you've also got the house secretary who also has it but it's also worth mentioning that 80 percent of people who have coronavirus will have mild self limiting illnesses the ones that we are really worried about are those people who are at high risk but there's also criticism isn't it david that they're getting tested that well the rest of us can't but more particularly also that the n.h.s. the frontline staff cond yeah this is a huge bottleneck now obviously i think it is right the prime minister has a test i think is right the house secretary has a test and prince charles as well but what we do need to do is to get frontline

medical staff tested urgently now i know these tests are being rolled out and these are the and to gen test these are the ones that show if you have an active virus but for me the game changer will be the antibody tests and these are the tests that show whether you have already have the corona virus and that will be a game changer because if you have had it it means that we can liberate you back into the workforce we can start you getting going back to your jobs getting the economy moving but more importantly it means that you can then go and look after elderly relatives it means that we can actually provide family support and we simply don't know how many of us have actually had a corona virus and it seems that retrospectively a lot of people may well have had those symptoms and it looks like it may well have been around as early as january now if that is the case we may well have what we call herd immunity which if you remember was the government's original objective that. says you need a certain number of people in the population drift to develop antibodies and therefore to be immune and that way the infection then tells off. doctors in

northern ireland they're being forced to work in special coronavirus centers which pose a greater risk than usual to their health 14 centers of being opened in northern ireland to keep those with symptoms of the virus away from other patients but g.p.'s say a letter from northern ireland's department of health implies they're forced to work in them. the plan will not protect routine g.p. services because doctors will be coming and going between practices and call that 900 centers several times a week by forcing us to work in these centers they are exposing us to viral overload there is much greater risk of death not just for us but for our families but it comes as the number of those confirmed with the virus in northern ireland reaches 275 with 13 people now having died however the british medical association say the centers are in line with w.h.o. guidelines and that shifts at the centers are voluntary. we northern irish dr

andrew couples told me medical staff were willing to work but that this order had been handled badly. northern ireland is somewhat behind the curve yes. as far as i can see our testing capabilities are very much less than they're probably part of the rest u.k. and the provision of protection has been slower and more. other places in the world i would just point to the fact that only a couple of tests have been done and probably reflects the new numbers that we have so far apocryphally speaking to people on the phone there is a greater degree of interaction like there are there was a kind of 4 of the positive tests for example absolute ice today for 2 weeks at the moment because we can't test get one might only so we do anticipate this problem being herself satan and how do you think the government has responded to the situation i have a new toy there are many people working long hours to put these things in the p s. 2 with

a limited supply i know the technicians there are getting an argument every configures getting test gets orders. we're just watching and waiting and there's a certain one of helplessness which goes along with not generates a lot of anxiety amongst medical so we would like answers i think all of us would like answers. and i don't think anybody has announced a response to they want to specifically i mean do you feel that doctors are being strong armed into having to walk. it's. i think it's our duty as doctors to do this work and not everybody likes being told what to do that's the nature of the general practitioners because we're not directly employed by the health service we have a certain level of autonomy over the work we do and some people have objected to the tone of their communications that have gone late as i've said there's a tremendous good well amongst base to do this work. and i think people will do it but i think people are expressing their anxieties and concerns lightly and vocally

and those need to be listened to her but i hope that we will still see. well meanwhile last night the british public came together to give the n.h.s. staff a big round of applause for all their hard work during the crisis these included the chick and duchess of cambridge is 3 young children. so. it's.

coming up after the break. some of the country's top business leaders including celebrity chefs are criticised the sucking stop despite the government bailouts. while the public are encouraged to report their neighbors to the police for holding gatherings but should say we hear from both sides of the debate. foundries speak to a british tourist stranded in peru with no way of returning to the u k. i don't know maybe the musical people were greek just after they caught up with the ones they have and then before they had never been told they 'd then you know that's why all that was wrong. otherwise how it was oh yeah yeah good

measures come on guys you have to realize that all the measures when you go was going to disease but not revamping. anyone else so it seemed wrong. why don't we all just don't all. let me. get to seep out of this thing comes out to kill and in detroit equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

welcome back critics of his celebrity chefs for socking the stuff about restaurants despite government pledges to bail out the hospitality sector employees at restaurants i am by gordon ramsay were informed that contracts had been terminated and were immediately placed on gardening leave from the beginning of this week in an instagram post the kitchen nightmares stock told his staff to continue to support everyone through this terribly challenging time rahm's his decision comes in spite of the chancellor furlough payment scheme where the government agrees to pay 80 percent of workers salaries to encourage businesses to retain stuff. well celebrity chef rick stein also followed suit and temporarily laid off staff members of his countrywide chain of seafood restaurants stein who owns the restaurants with his ex-wife jill told workers they wouldn't be paid for over a month or until the government's furlough package is expected to pay out in april or despite the layoffs stein who's worth an estimated 50000000 pounds fact his former staff members in a social media post are not feeling great about having had to shop all the

restaurants to be honest not feeling great about it all i think the worse thing really is our stock of is so good a lot to think of all restaurants belong well over machines and i would like to take this opportunity to thank you a star particularly for their hard work over the last few weeks but now they're all going to be despondent and that's the great but what i do think is this corona virus is so serious the government is doing the right thing i really think we will be back when it comes after pub chain wetherspoon's faced a public backlash after owner tim martin told his staff he couldn't afford to carry on paying them one of his london pubs was recently found alive and sprayed with their feet a calling on the owner to pay his workers martin has faced widespread criticism after he told his former staff members to go work at tesco supermarket wetherspoon

say their actions were responsible and that currently working out the details of the government and those in. the u.k. police now have powers to fine and even arrest those who want to obey the current law down artie's easterly looks at who's following the new laws you mustn't. now the u.k.'s passed new legislation to give police more powers with which to enforce the corona virus the police will also have more powers to make groups disperse and go home as well as ensuring parents do all they can to make children stay indoors those ignoring the rules can be hit with a 60 pounds fine reduced to 30 pounds if paid within 14 days a 2nd offense carries a 120 pounds fine to nonpayment could result in a court appearance and a potentially unlimited fine if people still refuse to comply the police can arrest them. one of the conditions to be allowed to go out. people can go out in order to have an exercise once

a day. and ironically probably seen this part busier than ever. as the game behind me. the parks full people going for a walk just before sundown. it's almost like. this. crisis is coronavirus crisis is. affecting that people are actually maybe socialising more going for walks that they wouldn't be doing getting more in touch with nature. in ways that they wouldn't normally. outdoor exercise machines. as you see that i've been knocked off and the police police tape all over them and police do not cross. has been a lot of crime taking place here a lot of murders or the police have been busy keeping people away or even if people are in the park they're not using the machines that use in the play ground slide

swings and so forth to the extent people are keeping to the rules of the lockdown just. to put them on camera how hard he finally gets in force and see. if some people of the pacific. hands off for the most part the not being part of. your party. to do what you. want to do in abroad enjoy the way we want to say and find the people to join the fun of it and i mean this is rush hour in the streets and generally. hopefully things go. well as those new police checkpoints are installed where officers can stop motorists to check if their journey is genuine essential some forces are accused of being overzealous targeting members of the public trying to exercise a walk their dogs which is currently not restricted by the government or we were after

a spate of attacks on emergency workers by the public the crown prosecution service has reiterated that such offenses could result in 2 years in jail while police officers also have the power to arrest those claiming to have coronavirus and coughing at key workers as the chief constable of moses side said people shouldn't be afraid to report their neighbors if they seen launch gatherings taking place we would expect people to call as they would urge them to be sensible when you've got 2 or 3 people stood at the end of the road we don't need to be told the great thing is we police by consent staff but been instructed to encourage people convince people interact with people the use of the powers will be very much a last resort so should you report any mass gatherings well earlier i was joined by former metropolitan police superintendent leroy logan and former home office minister woman baker to discuss this. i think your charges of pressure to change behavior by just talking to them and indeed police response as you just heard the

superintendent think there was more to council was to try to persuade people in us of our way forward in a civilised society which we have to place her strength to go on to do and should not be called in for any potential mystery of that nature most most of the activists from neighbors say 3 to themselves to their name to their neighbors what is it you're doing and that kind of appearances are far more effective and i want an across campus and then calling the police are saying opportunity in day they write what do you think what i think everyone has a civic duty to safeguard the community just like someone will report very or robbery then i think it's important that people should be able to speak up and say listen people contravening the legislation that's this that's being put out before i call the police but he says they're not the police should be called and date unknown and what if you have the kind of neighbor that doesn't want to listen and you risk so if you want to dispute between the best people to get ahead well for

the 1st public charter i mean that's a good sign so you want to police have uses our cars i think you should because our powers clearly if you've got people who will pay your attention and behave irresponsibly they're not out of your ass off some of the country go past the pushed out is right where the police are stretched your 100 things to do and they must not be overzealous i don't i know you have all these checks of people trying to cause you know someone's interim car on or on drugs somewhere to me that is our danger to the public and those who want to push for stopping and some want to do do this proportionately and are saying that it could be i think for those of us in the supplier you are in day 10 a what do you think that being i visit us do you think that these new police at these spending police powers are only and. no not well obviously strong but i was always said that you could only take on in how they actually wrote them out so from what i've been hearing they're going by the forty's they engaging they're

explaining to the person they think courage and to go home or to stop that activity before they think about enforcement and i think they'll only take action if someone playing russian roulette with this safety or other people's safety and what that community and they know what do you think about naming and shaming and we have social media they state you think that's an option as well i think it's a very dangerous road to go daryn are under no not for a number of those sound somebody who is a pediatrician not very far from there who was named on thanks for coming to was appearing on peter fox's who wrote the post you know i didn't understand the difference so it's very kind to me to use our particular method of things that are completely out of hand who are trying to do this sort of situation to try to make sure we are right as normally as possible is not always situation demands commenting on our partners as much as possible but one of the answers to this whole situation i'm going to come after a previous part of your program is to have much more of the testing of other companies not a lot of whites are far to say you know testing right we can make sure we know who

has got a viral pneumonia point and you are right and i don't that's a teacher i'm talking to the problems only got. a group of patients currently stranded in peru will miss rescue flights planned by the foreign office after 2 people at their hostel tested positive for the virus 9 british citizens at an irish national are currently stranded in the city of ghosts go in the andes and could be quarantined for as long this 3 months meanwhile they are confined to their aims for 23 hours a day they need to comply with the order could see them arrested. or for some firsthand reaction we can enjoy and when greenaway one of the britons who are stuck in peru and thank you very much indeed for joining us again we spoke earlier in the week about your situation so what's happened since then what changed. well was dealing. with this situation here is got quite bad. the hospital that you just mentioned they've had to consult there and so being put on the current team as you

mentioned they're not getting very much support from the mc we understand the mc haven't actually even been in touch with them yet. so it's actually a very well worrying time to the ones in that hospital because they will be missing those repatriation flights when they happen of c. we haven't had any threat information about those flights indeed i mean in the meantime going to tell us anything about the 2 people who tested positive for the disease we know they're not british nationals beyond that they haven't been named. so we don't really know a lot about them i can only leave talk about the u.k. nationals who i know are under quarantine 23 hours a day in their room as you mentioned but have you received much information or any from either the british foreign office or peru's or scientists have you been given any updates at all well the state of emergency has been extended until the 12th of april and there's a definite change of atmosphere here things are going to a lot stricter we've been asked by our hotel not even to go out for groceries now

so we are confined to the hotel completely obviously the guys in that hostel are in a very difficult situation there are government rations other embassies have sent extra food and they're ours has not they have enough to eat. i'm i do they are they in that hospital or not so they're getting sort of a bowl of soup and a couple of bread rolls couple of nights ago last night they just got to the dinner so it's not a good situation for them indeed as you say you're inside your own 23 hours a day so how are people treating the threat the defined pointing to get them in prison and how you managing to sort of keep your mental health going with 23 hours in your rooms well i mean obviously it's really really difficult for them as as i say i'm not actually in the hospital that's not my situation ringback but it's there it's very difficult you know there's no certainty it's one to 3 months quarantine no actual defined amount of time so you know 3 months of 23 hours during

a room is a really difficult thing to do with and we know that one of the people there is actually a nurse would be great if you could just get tested and get and get that within the next that's absolutely i indeed and also for her family how are you able to communicate with anybody are you here talking to us which which is great are you able to communicate with your family or with anybody in a position of officialdom that could be able to help you. if issues haven't been great responses to be honest the communication is is really very difficult with them amongst ourselves we've got whatsapp groups that we're able to communicate and . we have got struggles with the video because as we know from the struggle to get this one set up but generally speaking you know text messages and things we can get around and we are all in contact with each other so that helps but it's been very much on us to sort out no one official has done that for us indeed how you're able

to keep physically fit how to keep physically active. but you can't. really you just can't there are 3400 meters here in christgau city i was very thin and it would be difficult to exercise anyway really other than walking around but now we can't even walk around so you know there's no law you can do there is not you get a ship i don't know where they've heard or not because within the government of the british government as well there's also coronavirus has struck with the prime minister health secretary and so forth i mean if dominic were our post sort of the stand in progress so if that were to happen he's watching now is the foreign minister what would you like to tell him what i don't ask him well the situation is getting urgent here we really need some news on those flights that are meant to be coming but there's been no there was voted yesterday on the news there's been literally nothing sent to us on updates on when they'll be it's getting urgent people are getting current in really difficult situations we really need some news

and we really need some certainty on when we're going to be getting out and when those flights i don't know and when going away thank you for talking to us and the very best of luck thank you adam about with more news in half an hour see there. you know when i'm going to be out there see i don't think about it at all many grown men not new dorp or. i kind of but i wonder. if they now i think it's have enough. members of the african mafias conway's them safe and quick passage to europe but once they. leave they are leave the comfy chair util. will not some of them leave your mom and i couldn't you know. this you need to get it out in.

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