hello everyone and welcome to this edition of the press i'm steve malzberg and this week we decided to try something a little different because like everybody else we're adjusting to the new landscape out there it affects the media just as it affects every one of you sitting out there and watching the media or in this case the show so we're going to do it an in-depth interview with a single guest and i think you get to find him to be extremely interesting and and his his opinions are going to are going to really resonate with you i think he's roger l. simon he is the epic time senior political columnist he's also a prize winning novelist and academy award nominated screenwriter and his latest

book is the goat as in greatest of all time and you can follow on twitter at roger l. simon hello my friend roger. michell. well hello from our studios in new york city where you know we've made lots of adjustments to to get this done so so so tell me as you sit there and i sit here. and you know we're seeing how this is affecting the media in so many ways and i guess it 1st started most notably with the c pack in the notification to some journalists that someone had tested positive and jeffrey lord who we've had on the show self quarantine blah blah blah but now it's like you know social distancing on all the new shows it's commonplace. yeah everybody's on sky nets or some similar resume or whatever this whatever we're

i'm going to get so i mean. you know what even she's each other anymore i mean i just talk to people on the phone or a it's a huge zuma or something like that i see my wife occasionally going to her office and enters a. book mostly mostly we text each other so. who knows you know if you do species we're going to evolve into something very weird. but let me ask you this. yeah i'll let me have a little weak as. well when it's all over roger and this is skipping ahead whether it's a few weeks god willing or a few months or who knows when but when it's all over media wise do we go back to normal on a dime i mean or like they're talking about with education they're saying well now

the colleges they're all doing it online maybe that's going to change the landscape etc well media change once this is over do you think. degree this degree i think it's going to you know things are not going to go back to normal in 10 seconds as for sure i mean it depends on how long it lasts long unless another week or something like that it will go back to no more than us but supposed to last for 4 or 5 months i don't like to think that but suppose it's true i think it will have a lasting effect on our lives in a whole variety of ways not just in terms of be a bit of how we relate to each other it's if we can't even or to speed it is kind of bizarre and i have to say. you know i i'm usually used to predictions as what i do with my columns but it's not to predict this. you know it's very hard to predict this but if it does affect media going forward if it does

god forbid last months and then and then as you say you know we don't go back to normal right away or it will affect us going forward how might it affect us what might we see show as being done on skype instead of studios and and and even at that point maybe as a cost saving measure that even a health concern if it's not no longer a health concern but studios and networks saying hey we don't need that studio the guy could do it from home or while the competition mandate that you know you step up and you put a studio together again. i think you're going to see both happening because some people are getting to be able do these are pretty well and that's only going to if you know this will increase that i think because people will you know why don't more of this is not badly equipped i mean but i'm thinking about doing more with it now i have it upstairs and i have my own video so you know it is the

cost is not huge so so a lot of things are going to go to work but i think the media part of it i mean whether you're around or whether you're in the studio is only part of the story like a logical or is it has been is war dangerous i think it's kind of strange alienation i mean i feel like i'm a creature of science fiction movie it's who. now in an absolutely. absolutely i mean i've i i didn't do it in washington i've been in new york city and to see them turn into ghost towns i've been on the amtrak and to see that empty a train that normally has to over 250 people to have 22 people as i was told it's surreal and it all i got to say my son and i we bonded very much over the walking dead series i mean we caught up we watched that 6 seasons on the

disc to catch up to where we were at that point and so we never miss an episode and i just it for some reason my mind just drifts to that series every time i see this scary things that i'm seeing i bet the streets and empty trains and it's just it just freaks me out i can't help it. be glory like one of the glories of the city where i am right now who are just the is the hockey town downtown or broadway here usually you can walk into any one of these and and here musicians are just like spectacularly good and you can't be where these people are you want it i mean there's so many garages this down where you know the next is practicing and that was like just then you can do it the guy who the big guy who is which is sort of the most leaders the oldest one of the of the hokie

like protest of wildly when they shut it down but if you but you know they're here too because if you can we do that we're all like this you know it's. like this you know it's. it's like a jerk. it's over for now well we're you roger let's get it in that we created. let me ask you. what what we have seeing in the media. let's put the virus aside but it all ties in you know i had map you can in. for an interview back in 2017 and here's a man who went through it with reagan and nixon and the media coverage of those 2 presidents and everything else and he said at that at 200-2017 early on in the

trumpet ministration and to trust her he had never seen anything like what the media was doing to trump done to any other president that to me that speaks volumes talk about how you think the me where where are we is there a media is our journalism anymore. no but that's the should is admit you know what i think you do usually answer this is why this happened why why do you want to supers or. we can this 100 percent correct in this because i'm going to is all this bad but i'm old enough to see a lot of. you know it's way beyond anything that ever happened in. the one way to look at it is that the media is the deep sea. it's safe to do deeper into the deep state because if you look at the leaves us of these guys like i just attack nonprofit stein see. tutors who are

you know be all upset that people are calling the virus the china players actually it should be the c.c.p. that. well leaving that discussion aside for a 2nd you know one has this could have been around forever i mean this is the there is a whole class of media people that have been entrenched in washington and new york for like d.c. said l.a. to some extent pretty decades and they were immediately threatened by trump in a way that. they had never been threatened who because essentially he will he he owned a morning did their self image in a very big way and potentially also there he comes of them so they just went crazy because this is it will wife won't let me know i could do the same thing you know now i just don't have

a look at this later. so. the immediately went crazy and they went crazy so fair's that they couldn't take it back and you know that's a very difficult because take back their craziness and i think it will do the hardest things for human beings so are for me i'm sure it's not to use to take back our stupidities. but you know they need lots of sales is so strong that now here they are. you know it's remarkable when when someone like a governor who will order or deuced about. actually gives trump's new props you go holy moly exhibit. that went well here. tell me if you agree with me here you know what's going to happen with the election as a whole nother topic maybe we'll get to it but i think that governor cuomo of new york praising donald trump is it is

a can to the moment that was years in the campaign for barack obama when governor christie with sandy was seen in a picture with obama praising and patting him on the back and praising and thanking him i think this is the start the same thing. yes part of it is obviously that these governors know that christie do quote the. the the colored president holds some cash 1st. let me ask you here people always say oh if only we could go back to the days before fox of course but go back to the days when it was just a 3 networks then we got the story then there was no bias then we got the truth and only the facts that to me and i was you know i was i was a kid back then 3rd to for over at the least at the beginning of it certainly or whatever but that was never true you see the politics of these former anchors now

and you realize 8 if you didn't realize that watching it that all of these everybody has an agenda every writer every producer every anchor has an agenda so we never got unbiased news even when they were just a.b.c. c.b.s. and n.b.c. giving it to us. i couldn't agree with the war and you know the if you really want to go back into pre-history it would look as the root of language to make sense to look it's bias and everybody wanted to be sleeper be since he will get the same a tooth tiger added my feet and what and who was who it like new language and what we took to each other about is based biased so the networks are just an extension of that. zillions of years later you know one of the waiting on writing about the internet because you reminded me about it is that. i think the

networks are the worst part of the whole thing i mean there are good words the new york times you could throw the new york times down but it's been the network's ever done many over our eyes that is not fair it's a democratic and it comes from a period when the television was of course limited and there could only be a certain amount of. television but then there were a course is unlimited. and it's the dominance of the networks should be completely undercut why do they have the right to them speak you know slots i mean who gives the evening met will government did way back when but don't give them as you take it away and make it democratic again to me you know we don't need the you know. giving you know says foley started ticking off your glasses and tell you. i was on the right and right you know who one of the great photos of all time was talking

about who will be believed and it while you listen lance and you and i are that is live with no better we're not upset i know we have made it right that's past that roger that's the difference the difference is i don't say i'm a journalist giving you just the facts and you don't say that that's the difference but all these people on c.n.n. and all over the place still and those guys you mentioned cronkite and the rest did quite stay where you are what i told you this would be fascinating folks we're talking to roger l. so i mean we have a war coming up on at the price so stay hungry and don't go away. you know what i'm going to get there see if i don't think about it i don't mean a grown man now for. i kind of but i wonder. if

they now i think it's have been. members from africa mafias safe and quick passage to europe but once they. leave they count speech util. will not some of them leave be a mama and i couldn't you know if this unit can get it out of me and. down. to the cheek with. the soul of the. court of the united. because the persona that i can't even use coubertin woman.

that's the crucial point of the book at bottom line of the book namely i think you're pretty much stuck with your looks but if you have other things that you're good at either music or running or doing intellectual work or politics then one should take advantage of one's advantages and project goers and forget about the fact that you may not be the best looking person on the block. but welcome back to the press ladies and gentlemen and that we're rejoined again by our guest for the entire segment it's roger l. simon epic time senior political. columnist and roger i want to talk about all of your your career now a prize winning novelist academy award nominated screenwriter as i mentioned

earlier why don't we start with i want to go back to. what the media portion that i knew you from you founded something called well now it's i guess p.j. media but it was it was in a pajama media and you're now the c.e.o. maris of that organization yeah talk about what got you into that. accident in a sense i. know 2003 i had a novel coming out from so i was sure that it was part of my most as one series of rules that have been rolling successful and one of them is made into a film called the fix with richard dreyfuss. who what did happen was i realized there simon services in the publisher in their atria division was disinterested in the book you can tell that if you've been writing for a while you know you don't get a call from the publicist whatever so i should add a part of the reason was that the the protagonist moses winded

a tech you had it going on a little bit to the right all of a suddenly after 911 so. so have i so what happened was. i just i just. i was reading this thing called the instapundit which was a written by this guy glenn reynolds who's quite an amazing character and and i didn't want to do an author with say because they're boring well it is oh look at publisher's weekly said about me and who wants to read that anyway this guy's blog of the it's the part it which was pioneering kind of thing. interesting lisa i thought well maybe i can do then i can you know write a daily blog of a few sentences and extract attention and sell my book well i did that and the book didn't sell it however the blog became wildly successful because i was very honest around 2003 about my political change. and

a lot of people were going through that as a prime post 911 so then i got to know when one of the bunch of these other guys who were doing the same thing and. we decided we would try to make some money out of the speakers who get it thousands of people logging on. sort of i wrote because of my career in hollywood which was full aisha's that another career but the idea of that counted was fallacious. when it hit the flow divider razor it's cheap to get this business going and had some really further hit it ventures with the v.c. people up around him a stanford there. were one of the great funny villages was pitching this is it you know the amalgamation of bloggers was going to make a ton of money and and these busy highways and city hook road they're so heroes by stanford university looking at me and nodding they could tell i was bawling like

crazy that one of. them want to go separately so you robust to lose who you are sit here isn't that he said then what do you want to do this for 6 and. it was the end of active and he put it. we did fight a fight he has your right it obviously in that we started pajamas media which became pretty successful except yeah the interesting things of. that point we deal with stickley thought we wanted pajamas need to be a place where on earth people on the left in the right could talk to each other intelligently and carly and reasoned together you know sort of like each increase or somebody had to come up with pajamas media oh well that's a story in itself because a number of who are involved and there are the people who are viable this was some of the ones who took down dan rather for his lies about george w.

bush's national guard working hard on when he lied and 60 minutes the executive producer came on the tonight show this guy kleiner said who are these people that is of most of the averages in their pajamas that no jaros most of them were. were you know i was in a can you were down his who you know you had the other people model a big like i want to get kind of a lawyer among professors. so we said oh it's quality jobs we barely go and the rest is history as they say let me let me go back to your of your academy award nomination and that was for. enemies i believe in 1990 for us screenwriter. how when did you start your i mean when did you know circuiting involved in screenwriting and vic that's what academy award nomination but you have lots and lots of movies to your credit yeah 7 got me there

20 i didn't death is very standard for screenwriter debts particular the era i did it and i got started very young because i wrote this novel when i was going to the grammar school aged 21 of the design called her that got bored by the movies and to do a dreadful movie that i didn't write nobody saw called jennifer on my mind but it would have brought me out to hollywood you know very different era. because they like to dialogue in the novel you know and then we were looking for a young bloke at a time oh now it's a much more difficult but you know. so i started being a script writer and after i wrote the novel who are in the big fix that you know who can't go out and do this you know the good company. you know movie actor david richard dreyfus who. dennis why would they care.

jewish. you richard your ships of those i did something of that person. then into hollywood to be turned his movie was successful it was wildly successful pretty successful and it's still pops up on you know. netflix actually was all its own and. and we're now near a b. the movie that i wrote did the most business was most elusive low it was a very good. well those it had richard pryor in it and when he was richard pryor was one of the more interesting a while back that that's all that's a whole other show in and of itself i guess not to compare to it on any level but my my hollywood career consists of i was i had 17 lines in a movie called the heart it was with brad davis it was a big boxing movie in the era of the rocky movies so it didn't you know get

anything anywhere and i never met brad davis who later passed away but nonetheless that's my claim to fame so when you're bored one day look it up heart in the sports guy interviewing they've trainer said yet you will recognize i think i got this long curly hair and on the last life that you want to get your book you've got you've got a book in there now called the goat as in the greatest of all time so when you told me that of take it ok it's of mohammad ali book it's not true things that very easy for me to ask because this is what i read about it's about then gelber. and jay reynolds there that who are those guys there in the book what's it telling a little bit about the moment and see what this book is is a retelling of fabrics in a certain way in the world of big time tennis i have. not agreed athlete but i've played tennis all my life likes is about the age of 7 and. it's about to go. who

makes it to the finals of his seniors tournament is club and has had a terrible accident in the 1st game is taken to see to say medical center and he and the doctor say we're going to operate on your back immediately and of seems to be from india or pakistan or somewhere the corner cleaning lady says do not do operational always makes wars go see my cousin gumbo in valley he fix up. guys a westerner go over there and you're. it's a disaster you can hardly move you think his life is over and he finally gets into his aging b.m.w. and drives out to the valley and meets gumbo who is a. shaman a vedic shamanistic doctor from the himalayas who starts to give her boobs and he starts to give you know her and the girls of the ladies at his club so you know dan

homo and he's almost embarrassed and he got back to the guy says a human stubbly is and he takes him to the himalaya has to have worried the engineer is death and he starts to have a 2nd life and he can as a barrier at all there's yeah well that imbalance that age gets to fathom rafael moved out of the french open his. amazing commander while we were there in the other we want our to reading that it's funny ed it's funny and it's touching at the end there people really do like it and unit on amazon in all the usual formats including have it read to you the growth ladies and gentlemen the goat roger in 30 seconds your thoughts going forward in this world right now media wise for the most part. median wise new will crush to anybody be going to do a lot of google at

a sewer says. and see for yourself because my guess is you came around to some of the will consume live a community of sources that i think is very good places i go all the time who's used his ego or my friends on powerline and and ray you know any writing who are now the epoch times is really worth looking at because it knows more about china then anybody because as few people and i think you want to chinese americans and you know it's there and you're in the know what's going on with this virus to me yeah it is they call it the c.c.p. viruses that's really what it is and i think well that's ike i gotta tell you roger it's been such a pleasure reconnecting and and this is one of the good things to come out of all this having you want for for the full show and god bless you stay safe i'll speak to you again i'm sure i'm sure it's

a citizen who's well you know i hope we can work from home. absolutely roger simon ladies and gentlemen. well i hope you enjoyed the today show of course we're trying new things we have to try new things because that's the state of the media today and i hope you learned a little bit i hope you are entertained that's what we try to do here and all i could ask of you all seuss a curious stay hungry because our show rare sunday morning at 1030 eastern time in the morning don't forget and you could also watch 4 shows right now and portable the t.v. through our portable the t.v. app. the problem with having too many claims of gold is really hitting the markets in

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