it's coubertin when we land. on the phenomenon that's all you think of with. only one. hello everyone and welcome to this edition of the press i'm steve malzberg and this week we decided to try something a little different because of like everybody else we're adjusting to the new

landscape out there it affects the media just as it affects every one of you sitting out there and watching the media or in this case the show so we're going to do it an in-depth interview with a single guest and i think you're going to find him to be extremely interesting and and his his opinions are going to are going to really resonate with you i think he's roger l. simon he is the epic time senior political columnist he's also a prize winning novel that's an academy award nominated screenwriter and his latest book is the goat as in greatest of all time and you can follow on twitter at roger l. simon hello my friend roger. well hello from our studios in new york city where you know we've made lots of adjustments to to get this done so so so tell me as you sit there and i sit here. and you know we're seeing how this is affecting the media in so many

ways and i guess that 1st started most notably with the sea pack in the day notification to some journalists that someone had tested positive and jeffrey lord who we've had on the show self quarantine blah blah blah but now it's like you know social distancing on all the new shows it's commonplace. everybody's on sky that's who or. whatever this would. be. you know would even she's each other anymore i mean i just don't get people on the phone or i. do little or something like that i see my wife occasionally going to her office. mostly mostly we text each other. you lose you know if you do species we're going to evolve into something very weird

. but let me ask you this. yeah i'll let me ask you this week. well when it's all over roger and this is skipping ahead whether it's a few weeks god willing or a few months or who knows when but when it's all over media wise do we go back to normal on a dime i mean or like they're talking about with education they're saying well now the colleges they're all doing it online maybe that's going to change the landscape etc will media change once this is over do you think. no degree this degree i think it's because you know things are not going to go back to normal in 10 seconds as a shooter i mean it depends on how long it lasts a medium to long unless another week or something like that it will go back to no more than us but supposed to live for 5 months and i don't like to think that but

suppose it's true i think you'll have a listing of our lives in a whole variety of ways not just in terms of be a bit of how we relate to each other it's we can't even a to speed it is kind of bizarre and. to say he. you know and i'm usually used to predictions as what i do with my columns but it's not to predict this you know it's very hard to predict this but if it does affect media going forward if it does god forbid last months and then and then as you say you know we don't go back to normal right away or it will affect us going forward how might it affect this what might we see show as being done on skype instead of studios and and and even at that point maybe as a cost saving measure that even a health concern if it's not no longer a health concern but studios and networks saying hey we don't need that studio the guy could do it from home or while the competition mandate that you know you step

up and you put a studio together again. i think you're going to see both handing because some people are getting to be able do these are pretty well and that's only going to eat you know this will increase that i think because people will you know michael moore this is not badly equipped me but i'm thinking about doing more with it now i have it upstairs and i have my own video so you know it's a the cost is not huge so so a lot of things are going to go to work but i think the media part of it i mean whether you're a sick or whether you're in the studio is only part of the story it is like a logical or is it is but is war dangerous and i think it's not a strange alienation i mean i feel like i'm a creature of science fiction movie it's who. now in an absolutely

absolutely i mean i've i i didn't. washington i've been in new york city and to see them turn into ghost towns i've been on the amtrak and to see that empty train that normally has to over 250 people to have 22 people as i was told it's surreal and it all i got to say my son and i we bonded very much over the walking dead series i mean we caught up we watched that 6 seasons on the disc to catch up to where we were at that point and so we never miss an episode and i just it for some reason my mind just drifts to that series every time i see this scary things that i'm seeing up at the street 7 empty trains and it's just it just freaks me out i can't help it. lauren lake one of the glories of the city where i am right now who are system is the hockey town and downtown broadway

here usually you can walk into any one of these and and hear musicians are just like spectacularly good and you can't be where these people are you want it i mean somebody garage is this town where you know the next is practicing and that was like just then you can do it the guy who the big guy who is which is sort of the mostly oldest one of the of the hunky like protest of wildly when they shut it down but if you but you know they have to because if you can we do that we're all like this you know it's. like this you know it's. it's like a germ chambers. it's over for now well we're you roger let's get it in that we created. let me ask you. what what

we have seeing in the media. let's put the virus aside but it all ties in you know i had map you can in. for an interview back in 2017 and here's a man who went through it with reagan and nixon and the media coverage of those 2 presidents and everything else and he said at that at 200-2017 early on in the trumpet ministration and to trust her he had never seen anything like what the media was so into trump done to any other president that to me that speaks volumes talk about how you think the me where where are we is there a media is our journalism it anymore. no but that's the short is a bit you know what i think the interesting answer to this is why this happened why

why they went sobers are over over to dr who cosby can is 100 percent correct in that he has a mother quite as old as pat but i'm old enough to see a lot of. it you know it's way beyond anything that ever happened i think the one way to look at it is that the media is a deep state. and it's safe to do deeper than a deep state because if you look at the names of some of these guys like i just attack nonprofit stein seen on the twitter this morning for you know the who all upset that people are calling the virus the train a virus actually to be the c.c. people are yeah that yeah yeah well every living that discussion aside for a 2nd how long has this guy been around forever i mean this is a city there is a whole class of media people that have been entrenched in washington in new york

for like eddie said in l.a. to the suburbs that predicted aids and they were immediately threatened by trump in a way that. they have never been threatened or before because essentially he will he he order minded there are self image in a very big way and potentially also there he comes of them or so they just went crazy because this at will why trump i mean i could do the same thing you know i just don't have a you know this later. so. the immediately went crazy and they went crazy so fair's that they couldn't take it back. and you know that's a lot of very difficult because take back their creations and i think you know the hardest things for human beings so are for me not to use to take back our stupidities. but it is you know it is the. girl now here that you know her. you know it's remarkable when when

someone like you going to will go. over to savannah. and actually gives troops an impromptu go mouli exhibit. that went well here and tell me if you agree with me here and you know what's going to happen with the election as a whole nother topic maybe we'll get to it but i think that governor cuomo of new york praising donald trump is that is akin to the moment that was used in the campaign for barack obama when governor christie with sandy was seen in a picture with the obama praising and patting him on the back and praising and thanking him i think this is the same thing. yes part of it is obviously that these governors know that christie do quote. the the colored president holes some cash 1st. let me ask you here people always

say oh if only we could go back to the days before fox of course but go back to the days when it was just a 3 networks then we got the real story then there was no bias then we got the truth and only the facts that to me and i was you know i was i was a kid back then 3rd to for over at the least at the beginning i would certainly or whatever but that was never true you see the politics of these former anchors now and you realize 8 if you didn't realize that watching it that all of these for everybody has an agenda every writer every producer every anchor has an agenda so we never got unbiased news even when they were just a.b.c. c.b.s. and n.b.c. giving it to us. could be the war and you know the if you really want to go back into prehistory it would look as the root of language to make sense to look

it's bias and everybody wanted to be sleep through the sense to be well get the saber tooth tiger added my feet and what and who was who it like new language and what we took to each other about is based biased so the networks are just an extension of that. zillions of years later you know one of the things i've waiting on writing about incidentally because you reminded me about it is that. i think the networks are the worst part of the whole thing i mean there are good words the new york times you could throw the new york times down but it's been the network's ever done many over our eyes that is not seen or it's a democratic and it comes from a period when the television was of course limited and there could only be a certain amount of. television now or

a course is unlimited. and if the dominance of the networks should be completely undercut why do they have the right to them speak you know slots i mean who gives the evening met will government did way back when but don't give them as you take it away and make it democratic again i mean you know we don't need the you know. giving notions phony started to queue up their glasses and tell you. i'm right and you're right. one of the great photos of all time was who will be believed and it while you while this is lance and you and i are that is live with no better we're not upset i know we have made it right that's that's that roger that's the difference the difference is i don't say i'm a journalist giving you just the facts and you don't say that that's the difference but all these people on c.n.n. and all over the place still and those guys you mentioned cronkite and the rest did quite stay where you are what i told you this would be fascinating folks we're

talking to roger l. so i mean we have a war coming up on at the price so stay hungry and don't go away. as the election cycle rages on the media highlights or even invents what they deem to be important even radical what they don't tell you is how the political center is collapsing in today's campaign is what voters think about the status quo.

and welcome back to the press ladies and gentlemen and that we're rejoined again by our guest for the entire segment it's roger l. simon epoch times senior political columnist and roger i want to talk about all of your your career now a prize winning novelist academy award nominated screenwriter as i mentioned earlier why don't we start with i want to go back to. what the media portion that i knew you from you founded something called well that would suggest p.j. media but it was it was in a pajama media and you're now the c.e.o. jim harris of that organization you talk about what got you into that. accident in a sense because. you know around 2003 i had a novel coming out from simon and schuster it was part of my most as one series of

rules that have been rolling successful one of them is made into a film called the fix with richard dreyfuss and what happened was i realized that simon and schuster they're the publisher in their atria division was disinterested in the book you can tell that if you've been writing for a while you know you don't get a call from the publicist whatever so i should add a part of the reason was that the the protagonist moses winded it sector had it going on a little bit to the right all of a suddenly after $911.00 so. so have i so what happened was. i just i just. i was reading this thing called the instapundit which was a written by this guy glenn reynolds who's quite an amazing character and and i didn't want to do an author with say because they're boring what is oh look at publisher's weekly said about me and who wants to read that anyway this guy's blog

leaves the party which was pioneering kind of thing. interesting leads to either one maybe i can do then i can you know write a daily blog of a few sentences and attract attention and sell my book well i did that and the book. however the blog became wildly successful because i was very honest around 2003 about my political change. and a lot of people were going through that as a prime post 911 so then i got to know when to run out of the boxes are bigger who are doing the same thing and. we decided we would try to make some money out of the speakers who get it thousands of people logging on. sort of i would because of my career in hollywood which was full aisha about the career but the idea of that counted was fallacious. the flow divider razor

it's cheap to get this business going and hasn't really further hit its ventures with the v.c. people up around him a stanford there. were one of the great 20 villages was pitching this is it you know the amalgamation of bloggers was going to make a ton of money and and these busy highways and city hook road they're so heroes by stanford university looking at me and nodding they could tell i was bombing like crazy that one of. them want to go sensitively so you robust of lucidity who i said he has a then he said then why do you want to do this for 6 and. it was the end of it have pitched and he put it. we did fight a financier and i did obviously in that we started pajamas media which became pretty successful except here yeah the interesting things of. that point we deal with stickley thought we wanted pajamas need to be

a place where on earth people on the left in the right could talk to each other intelligently and calmly and reasoned together you know sort of like each increase of somebody had to come up with pajamas media oh well that's a story in itself because a number of the people who are involved and there are the people who are viable this was some of the ones who took down dan rather for his lies about george w. bush's national guard working hard on when he lied and 60 minutes the executive producer came on the tonight show this go quietly and said who are these people that is of most of the averages in their pajamas that no you know as most of them were. were you know i was in a can you were down his who you know you have a well you people are model a bit like i want to get kind of a lawyer among professors. so we said oh it's quality jobs really it's

a very go and the rest is history as they say let me let me go back to your of your academy award nomination and that was for. enemies i believe in 1990 for screenwriter. how when did you start your i mean when did you know circuiting involved in screenwriting and vic that's what academy award nomination but you have lots and lots of movies to your credit yeah 7 got me there 20 i didn't that is very standard for her screenwriter debts particularly the era i did it and i got started very young because i wrote this novel when i was going to the grammar school aged 21 of the design called her that got bored by the movies and to do a dreadful movie that i didn't write nobody saw called jennifer on my mind but it would have brought me out to hollywood you know very different era. because they

like to dialogue in the novel you know and were looking for a young bloke at a time oh now it's a much more difficult but you know. so i started being a script writer and after i wrote the novel the original the big 6 that you know who got bored and i knew there's you know the good company. you know movie actor david richard dreyfus who. dennis why would they care. to take. your research unit itself as i did something of that kind of person. then into hollywood to be turned his movie was successful it was wildly successful pretty successful still pops up on you know. netflix to actually use all its on and. near and be the movie that i who did the most business was most elusive it was

a very good movie. well those had richard pryor in it and when he was richard pryor was one of the more interesting are while bad that's all that's a whole other show in and of itself i guess not to compare to it on any level but my my hollywood career consists of i was i had 17 lines in a movie called the heart it was with brad davis it was a big boxing movie in the era of the rocky movies so it didn't you know get anything anywhere and i never met brad davis who later passed away but nonetheless that's my claim to fame so when you're bored one day look it up heart in the sports guy interviewing they've trainer said yet you will recognize that i got this long curly hair and on the last life that you want to get your book you've got you've got a book in there now called the goat as in the greatest of all time so when you told me that of take it ok it's of mohammad ali book it's not true things that very easy for me to ask because this is what i write about it's about then gelber. and jay

reynolds there that who are those guys there in the book what's it telling a little bit about the moment and see what this book is is a retelling of fabrics in a certain way in the world of big time tennis. not a great athlete but i've played tennis all my life likes is about the age of 7 and . it's about to go. who makes it to the finals of his seniors tournament is club and has had a terrible accident in the 1st game is taken to see to say medical center and the and the doctors say we're going to operate on your back immediately and of whom will be from india or pakistan or somewhere the corner cleaning lady says do not do operational always makes wars go see my cousin gumbo in valley he fix up. guys a westerner go over there and you're. it's

a disaster you can hardly move you think his life is over and he finally gets into his aging b.m.w. and drives out to the valley and meets gumbo who is a. shaman a vedic shamanistic doctor from the himalayas who starts to give a herb's and he starts to give you know her and the girls of the ladies at his club so you know dan ho and he's almost embarrassed and he got back to the guy says a human stubbly is and he takes him to the himalaya has to have worry they engineered his death and he starts to have a 2nd life and he can as a barrier at all there's yeah well that he realises that a chance to battle rafael moved out of the french open and simple amazing commander while we were there in the other we want our to reading that it's funny at it it's funny and it's touching in the end people really do like it and unit on amazon in

all the usual formats including have it read to you the growth ladies and gentlemen the goat roger in 30 seconds your thoughts going forward in this world right now media wise for the most part. media wise know all crust to anybody including be buddies and go to a lot of go to a lot of sources. and see for yourself because my guess is he'll come around to some of the will conservative libertarian sources and i think a very good places i go all the time who just his ego or my friends on powerline and and ray you know the paper on any writing who are now be epoch times is really worth looking at because it knows more about china than anybody because it's for a handful of people and their offices in new york are chinese americans and you know it's mandarin and they know what's going on with this virus to me yeah it's true

they call it the c.c.p. virus and that's really what it is and i think well that's ike i got to tell you roger it's been such a pleasure reconnecting and and this is one of the good things to come out of all this having you on for for the full show and god bless you stay safe i'll speak to you again i'm sure i'm sure it's you know who's well you know i hope we can work from home. absolutely roger simon ladies and gentlemen. well i hope you enjoyed the today show of course we're trying new things we have to try new things because that's the state of the media today and i hope you learned a little bit i hope you are entertained that's what we try to do here and all i could ask of you all is to say curious stay hungry because our show really airs sunday morning at 1030 eastern time in the morning don't forget and you can also

watch full shows right now on portable the t.v. through our portable the t.v. app i'm steve malzberg see you next time i meet the press. believing weird things by the way is called superstition or magical thinking believing weird things like that is not a bug in the system it's a feature that comes equipped in the software of our program even to try to connect things in the environment just in case there's a real connection. you know what i mean maybe out there so i don't think about it at all many roman not new dorp or. kind of what

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