when you're inside is totally different from outside people watched a movie. on what prison is like but they don't know. what it is to be inside we have to take what we are inside. a whole lot of things but mean to each other

to. me and i think. we. have to make do so you. know but we have to. take all clothes. put your clothes in a bag. or you take them to the laundry and. you don't know which. you might you might. not good at all. the mole in the prison is coming through the wall you bring in the field there. is a lot of people sick. from that. sewage is bad. even though units were united states to be the newest the most

modern unit is still crumbling infrastructure is crumbling in its visible to anybody who even walks into the normally when you go to a visit. it's going to be hot or it's going to be cold either it's going to be extremely cold out or is going to be extremely hot inside normally in temperatures in excess of $100.00 degrees there's no at that there's no air conditioning. there's no accusation for this in a ventilated area. and in the actual pods in the sales that whole guys they have no circulation at all so what you normally would seeing is that you see. and they're laying on the coal for because units when that is in made out of cinder blocks cinder blocks they hold in either cool air they hold so during the summer months they're holding in all the cool air so the gas just lay bare just like bare chested on the floor it's not uncommon to see 5 or 6 guys just laid out and in

a sale on the floor vironment is visible in the visiting. roaches spiders i'm not talking little fire fighters mosquitoes with fast. waltz any if you want to see in the corners of the facility and these are areas where the public are allowed. i mean there's nothing new about what's happening in march and i would say in very recent history i think 2 summers ago in august there was basically every other day most of them parchin and in a little bit further back history if we look at the 1970 s. there's this successful suit that they. are sort of people win against the state that leads to the end of the trustee system and that was around cruel and unusual punishment so as long as the prison has existed there have been these sort of cruel inhuman conditions and what we're going to continue to see and have seen in the

past is these. periods where the state violence is sort of most apparent to us but for people who are incarcerated that state violence every day. i would never drink the water or i don't like to wash my hands in the bathroom because when you turned water on it's literally the color of. the water fountains when they were the same way they were they come on the water fountains the guards will tell you not to drink out that guards give me about water because i didn't have any they went to water but my clients want that water out of the water barriers between 2 ways it's either to chlorinate it or it smells like sewage and so all the pipes leak right so the gas had their socks around the leaky pipes and so if that's not so brown. they know not to drink the water if the socks are why they know koreans in the water we can wash our clothes and that if you don't drink the water you're going to drink it at that time period if there is a border notice in the area you guys will get by the water there are still forced

to drink that water they take their medication what water that smells like sewage they take medication in water that visibly if you put it in a cup and they think as well take it they let the water sit in they let all of the soil and all of the particles go to the bottom and then they just drink the water that is clarified on top. conditions at parchin have been. behind me is the mississippi state penitentiary known locally as parchment prison where an astounding 9 individuals have died in the past month alone since the start of the new year reports of everything from fights and fires and suicides to insufficient food and water supplies power outages and individuals sleeping on the floors have been reported and a mountain of human rights abuses are allegedly going on behind these walls we traveled here today to speak with locals activists politicians celebrities and

everyone in between and to try and figure out why these things are happening here parchment and what can be done to fix the problem in order to understand the current crisis inside parchment you have to go way back in history and understand the prison's roots the former governor of mississippi an open wife supremacist james k. vardaman was instrumental in creating the mississippi state prison he believed that the money made from convict leasing and chain gang should go to the state instead of private entities and those of the mississippi state penitentiary was born the prison itself is a reform so parchment prison comes about at the turn of the last century as a as a way to sort of. undo what some people are see as the problems of the comically system and in particular governor the governor at the time james vardaman who is an unapologetic white supremacist actually runs on the campaign of white supremacy. believes that the problem with comic leasing was not really the sort of. human

rights abuse that it was but rather that he saw it as sort of lining the pockets of the plantation class that he was a white supremacist populist and believed that this sort of state run plantation style prison would instead be a way of sort of socializing african-americans to their place which he saw as. manual labor the reform that led to the establishment of parchment was also why it's a crime assist in its intent. as i mentioned james james vitamins the person who established. parchment and he used to actually incarcerated people on the grounds of parchment with blood hounds for sport so if you think about that kind of context in which this place is born there's really no segregating white supremacy. an issue with. the timeline of so there were about 4 or 5 it's within 3 or 4

days between december 29th and jane where 2nd either on january 2nd in the o c issued a statement stating that everything was under control however on january 3rd 2 more people died as a result of the incidents that occurred with. one of the indio see it was still a tease throughout the state we did a timeline breakdown of everything that was occurring once we did that time last week we deployed the article on twitter facebook all of our platforms and certainly it began to go really viral we posted a video image of that was sent of several mean being housed in unit 32 of parchment unit 32 of question has been condemned closed down since 2000 and i says 2000 i suffered for over 10 years and that was closed down when a.c.l.u.

entered in agreement with mississippi state prison for parchment to close it down the reason it was closed down was because it was a hellhole the essential it was it was a place where where 6 of the people that were being housed there it was the different facility it was the place where where people who were very sick was also being housed but it was also a. a place that was a violent place to say the least essentially the a.c.l.u. decided. this facility should no longer be open so for 10 years this this place had been closed down and this was the place that. these these incarcerated people were moved to this facility now is flooded it has black mold in it they have no mattresses it basically has not been maintained in 10 years it was continue to be able to years ago but we have video surfaces of these men inside of this facility and we had already told the story that no other new site was telling with regard to

those men being in unit 32 nobody else had disclosed it because they didn't have the inside information once we got it we shared it and we share the video and the video went viral on twitter it was shared by. many hip hop artists and it's heinous on twitter and instagram include people like t.i. david banner and big create i think even so a lot of rappers have really been vocal about it parchment is located at least 2 hours away from many major cities making it difficult for lawyers them in prison having kids to visit in recent months incarcerated people have used contraband cell phones to share videos and photos of their conditions on social media. and incidents of forced transparency in a deadly situation one of the prison officials allege that prison gangs are to blame for the mounting debts the merged many are pushing against that narrative stating that the inhuman conditions are driving people beyond sanity i think now

with all of that. technology that now we're going to have people are now going to be able to see inside and i think that's what's threatening to. do the people that are supposed to be in charge of the prisoners now disappoint i think this is was threatening to warm because you can't you get so many people and so much of that is around so much controversy and they were going there you can't you can't really control of doubt who word a get richie this from whom and so it's going to continue to leak we're going to teens and no more things that continue to slip because people are getting bold. but now people also come with. the main way their presidents have been able to skirt any type of regulation authority around issues involving prisoners and litigation pretty much came out of the night and 5 in congress passed the prison litigation reform act and what that was is that at that time congress was seeing in prisons we're seeing a large number of prisoners filing suits about the conditions that they lived in

and it was causing a backlog and a backlog. in the system and so congress wanted a way to limit the rights of prisoners to bring federal lawsuits about the conditions that they were being complied and so what the p.l.r. a does is that it basically calls for prisoners to allow their captors time and knowingness to fix issues that are conditions based so basically which you have to do is that you have to say you have to say to the people who are holding you in these conditions hey. this water smells like or this water tastes like corey and then you have to give those people a reasonable amount of time to address the issue before you can move on and to even file a lawsuit against the prison. thank

. i'm going to fulfill the repeated promises apologise to the people and promise to be you know we've all pots to. be a. pretty. much. free beer. now you want to. know.

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the system is working. this be clear it's not a broken criminal justice system the criminal justice system is doing what it was designed to steal kill and destroy. cage people this work and what needs to happen with the system is tear the system apart. that's what needs to happen because if we don't repeal it will some lousy we're going to keep this repetitive cycle. that only rebuild will you bring different people to the table with different absolute and there will be mississippi you will always have been the good old boy rule right but i believe that this generation who's comin the. good old world won't work for them it's not the gang leaders who are

feeding them only one meal a day it's not the gang leaders who are not repairing the. plumbing where they can get water i mean more than just one water bottle a day it's not the gang leaders who are leaving trash everywhere i mean this is obviously a problem with the state of mississippi when we think of prisoners we don't think humans we think criminals we think gang members we think murderers rapists we don't think that over half the population in prison are in there for victimless crimes we don't think that these are indeed humans who deserve human rights. we want to think that they're terrible people so whenever the state tells us that they're terrible people we feel like it's ok that they get treated terribly and that's just not the case most prisoners are not in there for any other reason than possibly smoking a plant or doing some other victimless crime harshman for example you have the a.a.r.p. process which is called the administrative remedy process and the way it's supposed

to work is that there is the post to be about each unit on each zone needs to hear and they're supposed to be these little forms that you can fill out in the end it has to in you can only bring up one at a time and it has to be so specific as to give the reasonable notice and time to fix your problem before you can move on and so is this that is a 3 step process you feel that they are p. and you tell them what your complaint is and you put it in the box and you hope to get a response. if you don't get a response within 30 days you move on to the 2nd step the 2nd step is i did not get a response as they all want to respond. you put that in the box they have 30 days to respond to it and then and only then if you have gotten no response in 60 days then if you can find somebody to file a lawsuit on your behalf against in the o.c. to do so it makes it virtually impossible to file to get any kind of remedy

legally for prisoners who don't have any. solutions to the problems of parchment are difficult but they do exist holding elected officials and prison officials accountable is on the lips of everyone i spoke with as well as creative solutions to addressing the issue people that are making decisions about what should happen with presence. there should be prayers and have not a clue what's really going on you've got the wrong people at the table you know you need those people at the table that really care people that are connected to the issue at hand people who have had family members behind you know the bars how can you really connect how can you really see what you're willing to see and be human and see people as human if you have not been through the experience one way or the other whether you've been a family member if you had a family member in there or locked up to hold somebody accountable for what's

happening you almost have to do. go back so far it didn't just or. it didn't just happen you just keep getting people in position to not change and it is the problem but in order to deal with hold of somebody accountable you gotta go way back so was ham you got to actually have legislators and people actually going to the facility actually talking to people like they're people and not just walking me and ignoring them like you're looking at the paint on the wall but actually human as i'm bring them me and you know find out that they ask him them name you know make them human because they can help you solve the problems they can tell you is needed they can fix it guess who gets to bow light on this not us not any other organization not even the state of mississippi the inmates the

prisoners are 100 percent in charge 100 percent in show it. out of the media attention has pressurize out the more the abuse the abnormal use behind the walls we live behind the wall and you're going to have offices this going to say oh. yeah relive a yaml today you get channel 3 for fat. guy washington whoever here and guess would they go now and you don't shower when i say you can shower. you go eat when i say you can eat and guess would i say take your wreck and take it now that's the reality of it was going on behind the walls in the prison would lock down and in lockdown in this in a state but especially in mississippi is a time for dio say i'll do more to allow staff who are rated been overworked.

to have time off so is a lot of. this going out even more pressure rises a pressure situation. we want you to 29. we want any brothers or sisters as inside you know 32 to be our unit 32 we were partially shut down in the interim. immediately what we want is for those brothers and sisters assad to have better food better health care better mental health care we want to be treated like human beings we want them to be able to have access to their family existed to their representation because these are things that they're being deny right now just as here value of which you have to try and do in this year manage time and the amount of money that it takes to even without any litigation is about conditions we can take the alabama department of corrections case as an example that's a 6 year lift. you know organizers and have attorneys 6 years to

even get it to a point to where they can bring alabama department corrections to the table in mississippi. question when he let the health department last week the reason is the health department is can the before. but since that time they refused to allow those brothers access to to the necessary beings and we want people out of there ultimately we want them to immediately reinstate parole for those who have the ability to have access to the roe we want them to mediately release those who have been healed all not in the fences on drug offenses to de coster rate this system also billy and i'll be honest with you to goal is to abolish this system started over you know what i mean like reboot because we've never had a say in this process rather this is that it nobody had a say in this process but this process has always come down on us is very defensive

. we demand that whatever changes come in a transformative way the the problem of the prison and prison organizing has remained the same over time which is visibility it's how do you draw attention to these dark sites across the country when they're specifically designed to sort of prevent the public from understanding and empathizing in and knowing how to. address the problem so i think a starting point for all of these campaigns is greater connectivity between people outside and inside so we make sure that we are responding to people's needs inside and also aware of the conditions and creating sort of networks. so that when we have these episodes of extreme violence were able to better address the sort of everyday violence as well as it gets more and more attention and we get more and more leaders stepping up who are using their voices and using their their power 70 or their power to create a voice for. for the incarcerated we're still trying to be centric on the voices of

the actual prisoners i know they're they're bringing in celebrities who are taking their own actions and what not but our thing is we're talkin directly right now to incarcerated people and to direct family members of people who are incarcerated because when we look at the root cause and the root solutions of what needs to be done these are the people who are closest to the issue and they're going to know what they need done a thing a lot of times people have. to speak almost they didn't have a wall. because they have time knowledge or heard someone else speak about it they may feel it was deliverable voice book them to you want to march. argue you room in the right it's hard to explain to people. you expert if you went to school to learn criminal justice reform or you went to law school or

you now been elected june june now this you you want to be the expert you want to have the answers you pay this price of educating yourself to be the expert and then when you have some magic come allow you did the time in the prison. now tell you what you need this is what you need and that's a lot of. the criminal justice system in what's happening here in mississippi is happening because we have. our sadness the voices of the people they need to be heard because here we are 30 plus years in the gang and we still haven't been heard although i hope that we have being heard you heard us your ear. if our state has heard the key because we can have people come from all over the world even local give media attention to it but the only way we know that we've been hurt is because chang starts to care. but it's

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i can show you my face but i'm going to teach you must story in 99. this man was sentenced to death. they could charged with capital murder even though he didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for that week with the scent of the $23.00. i doubt that had to be . confined within 4 grey walls the phone it's using. turned on to help him to leave this room. micrographs friends aren't slights against you know whites or men for example

there's their slights against women or nonwhites so it's always you know the idea is that statements that directed toward a privileged group are interpreted differently than a statement directed toward an oppressed group and so that's kind of the whole framework and it's a it's a political framework that's used the result is of course focusing at least on certain kinds of minor slights and say more rather than a north more than we need to call attention to them but it's not all slice so it's a very political in this context. the world is driven by a dream shaped by our own person. who

dares thinks. we dare to ask. covert 19 couldn't to news just spread and the us deaf. toll mounts as the government prepares to dole out 2 trillion dollars in relief we'll get perspective from 2 former congresswoman and the currently quarantined mayor of miami it's all on this edition of politic. welcome to politicking on larry king donald trump gives his administration high marks for its response to the cole the 19 pandemic but is that a unanimous rating for his assessment on this we're joined by bob barr fall.