about their lives pretty normally except for the strike of course but they're not congregating in public but thank god it's common and going well and right now well that may be the case but washington is accusing tehran of lying about coronavirus that iran is somehow an accomplice in the pandemic i mean would you say that this year's celebration of the constitution of iran there's more or more understanding even amongst the young it's disproportionately young of course iran about the threat from the west. well you actually raise a good point which is that you know this trend towards an understanding the reality of what america is and and you know the evil nature of the united states particularly as it relates to the way it treats and the way it deals with iran this was something that was already happening before the coronavirus as it related to the j c p o s a and the whole attempt by a part of the iranian lead to come to some sort of a strategic or historic. rapprochement with the west that of course completely

failed and so in a way this is now what we see with corona and the way the americans are dealing with it and increasing the sanctions is of course you know emphasizing that point and driving it home for many of the people whom i had previously have not realized who they really are dealing with people way hearing here is that iran expelled meds on home front his 9 member team with their medicine and them off trying to help your country what i know is that basically the iranians have asked the global community that they've published a list of medical equipment and medicines that they need all the money that would be needed to pay for it nobody's asking for handouts is currently in japanese korean and banks in luxembourg but of course it's all being blocked by the u.s. so that's what iran needs iran doesn't need a bunch of old french guys coming in and setting up 4040 beds we ask the. hospital capacity of iran is still not use we have

a vast. medical network the military the army and the revolutionary guards have set up field hospitals around the country so we don't need beds we don't need doctors we have the best doctors in the world in iran what we need is this list that the government the foreign ministry has published of equipment and also we need governments to have the moral courage to stand up to the us and allow us to pay them good hard cash for the equipment that we. to take care of our people but do you think that say what ayatollah khomeini said when he raised the issue of the usa creating coronavirus should be understood in the context of a historical use of bio warfare by the united states well you know absolutely i mean and let's not forget it's not only the leader who sang the news it's also the chinese have raise this issue that nobody knows obviously i don't know you don't know none of us know what the reality of that is but would we be surprised if we

look at history if we look at the americans on the country to use atomic weapons only country to using agent orange in vietnam using depleted uranium in iraq only country refusing to sign the chemical weapons ban and insisting on its right to use chemical weapons the only country in the world if you want to go way back you can look at you know what they did with the smallpox and the native americans and the different experiments that they had on african-americans because all it i'm talking about did the experiment on african-americans this isn't in the 20th century this is not like ancient history so if one day if history one day shows us or it comes out that the americans had you know mr round with with these coronaviruses and it got out of hand hey nobody would be surprised if that was the case ok but the new york times is reporting the pentagon has now ordered military commanders to plan for us as kill ation against iraq hearing in coalition troops in iraq obviously the

united states assassinated the iranian general caught some silly money iran responded by mistakenly shooting down a passenger jet how can iran be sure that it's intercontinental missiles can even be capable of retaliation against any imminent u.s. donald trump attack on the islamic republic of of course that was tragic what happened with that with the plane and obviously at that time you know and any defense system in the world could have made that mistake obviously the other thing that the iranians that they blew up the in the last at base and other. base is an area so let's not you know if forget that part of the iranian answer to what happened at that time and obviously you know i think anybody who knows the history of america's involvement in iraq know that the best thing for america would be just to get out as soon as possible because the only thing that's going to happen for the americans are going to lose if they can choose to do it sooner or later to do it later with more soldiers being lost that's really all it is and nobody's really losing sleep about that here in iraq and just finally and briefly what do you think

we should make of the u.s. u.k. back to saudi air strikes joining this pandemic on the world's worst humanitarian crisis in yemen we need to really explain the evilness of what they're doing and they've been doing it for 6 years now we have to really get into it do we have to explain to to elites in europe and in and in america what their governments are doing and how evil it is i think it's anybody who has any bit of conscience and has a little bit of humanity left in them knows that this is you know the purest form of people who have asked the has had the ambassador to london on the program for exam editor robert thank you well health here in britain still involved in overseas was the mainstream media that not long ago criticize doctors for going on strike is suddenly hailing them as heroes but what about the least well paid now risking their lives to save britain from coronavirus joining me via skype from london is petrus aliya co-founder of united voices of the world thank you so much petrus for coming on the reports in the papers here the doctors and nurses are being gagged

for talking about the shortage of protective equipment here in the u.s. a g. work is actually going on strike because they want to build ventilators what about your members when it comes to protective equipment as as your members sacrifice there are health arguably to save us 1st is absolutely scandalous that anybody should be. speaking the truth about the government's failure to provide appropriate personal protective equipment to docs and nurses another for the n.h.s. workers. and i would call an old noise in trade unions out there to stand up and bring any legal challenge a kind against an attempt to guide them for that that is also obviously the sky and that of not having been provided with the p.p. in the 1st place on members on the front line in the n.h.s. cleaning portering and catering and they are provided with p.p. either they have very flimsy mosques very flimsy overrules totally inadequate and a lot of them are getting really sick a lot of them

a contract ignace virus i know unfortunately many of them in some areas hospital still don't get proper sick pay and so they simply can't afford to stay at home which is what they should be doing and instead they are risking not only their health but that of other people well math and called has been taken ill by coronavirus the health secretary says there are going to be mosques martha johnson who has coronavirus says there are going to be mosques and protective equipment telling about per se a cleaner sacked allegedly for observing social distancing a member of her union employees all over the country really showing their true colors colors in the face of this crisis so we see wetherspoon's you know it made the sex 40000 stuff on the back of the court a virus not knock down but you also get cases like percy's he's a cleaner at kings college a very prestigious very wealthy university and he was called into a disciplinary hearing. that disciplinary hearing was going to have 8 people in

a room and it's completely contravened government social distancing guidelines public health england the world health organization so percy rightly stayed away for not having and king's college decided to go ahead in his absence hold that hearing and actually they took the decision to dismiss him now this is left see in the middle of a pandemic in the white heat of a pandemic. risk of destitution this really speaks to the culture that many low paid workers are having to work in today to complete contempt for. which employers such as kings university treat their lowest paid frontline stuff such as piracy well we obviously invite to king's college london the bosses involved on the show but the whole world now knows it's only as safe as the most vulnerable tell me about so-called migrant workers people of color disproportionately amongst the those who clean and porter the hospitals now the front lines of the coronavirus are

they affecting workers of color more disproportionately just a question about life we just take one example which is imperial trust one of the biggest trusts in the countries which in which encouraging companies 5 hospitals including some marries which is the biggest one in paddington in west london. 100 percent of the cane is porters and kate was are all 99 percent of my good workers from dozens of different countries around the world know they are there on the front 9 now they bravely went on strike last year and forced the choice to make the n.h.s. employees and as of the 1st of april they will be n.h.s. employees which will give them a huge amount of extra protection we're calling on the government to ensure that every so-called key worker gets at least 15 pounds an hour as many key workers. as little as 8 pounds $21.00 to minimum wage will increase but only to 8 pounds $71.00 no worker gnocchi worker in a time demick deserves less and as you say at least those workers are some of them

got recognition as n.h.s. workers rather than being somehow self-employed or on 0 hours what do you make of the ex goldman sachs banker who is now the finance minister of this country britain is so neck because he said he has been responding with massive help for those employed in this country who have lost have because of coronavirus there's no doubt that it's in him is an unprecedented stimulus package he has offered firstly only. 80 percent of workers wages and in order to be eligible for that money your employer needs to choose to apply for it the government's got the money the workers should access it directly the other fact is is that this money won't be seen for probably another month and in the meantime people have got to try to find a way to make ends meet which will be extremely difficult for millions of workers so that hasn't been factored into his quote of our stop retention scheme either and the fact of the matter is that there are many workers there are sick they still get

statutory sick pay that's $94.00 pounds and $25.00 pence per week who can live on that but it wasn't on a go the people were clapping for the national health service do you think it's got through to boris johnson that doesn't mean anything on sex workers as mean anything on bus drivers that mean anything on cleaners as you said on porches why do you think that is you think they fundamentally don't understand the class dimension to coronavirus absolutely i don't understand why should i do think they understand outstanding they can't but it's johnson did say the other day for the 1st time that he does believe in such a thing as society which was a rebuttal to such as claim that there is no shas thing as a society so that he's defied his messiah maggie that's i don't think bush johnson will change i think that he's his priority is to protect the bosses or protect the bankers still if he really cared about working class communities migrant communities pain communities he would be ensuring that the minimum wage was raised to at least the level of a real living wage he would ensure that every worker out they got proper full pay

sick day from day one of illness lot of than the measly statutory sick pay that millions have to try to get by on he would ensure that universal credit was quicker and easier to access and it was at the rate of a living wage he would ensure that the self-employed the 5000000 self-employed people out there that have to wait until the end of june to get any of the money that he's promised would be getting it soon not through emergency funds perhaps will go through a bit of an epiphany during his coronavirus recovery but that's unlikely. thank you we obviously invite the kids of a government representative on the program after the break because the young outliving the old during the pandemic present a demographic time bomb for the centrist poised to replace labor leader jeremy cool bit on saturday all the civil coming up a bunch of going on the ground. there

just taking over all the alternative all kotick taking and as i say the stage show that this was called real choices i.e. the binary choice and only choice is if you say you're a variable and most binary thing is not a chance for the states to school to provide a new architecture revive the cold ted and start negotiations with. israel have been invited to negotiate them by to think about what's being put on the table. in this community there are people who believe that it's ok. it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that i've got kids and ask and as a parent. i can come up with lots of arguments there's

a lot of conflict in the games between the 2 most of the conflicts i would say revolves around money and most of them money is made. us one on each of those he knows each other is good because the state of california alone makes $6000000000.00 a year of prison complexes you get some 20 year life where. you don't care and one of my cares about you so you don't care might anything. welcome back despite calls for a coronavirus bespoken mint of the election of a new leader for western europe's largest socialist movement jeremy corbin's labor party and their liberal so-called centrist is poised to win on saturday but does it clear starmer leadership really mean the end of the korban project a new book generation left demolish is the myth of a snowflake generation and suggests not before u.k. government or by social distancing i caught up with the author lesley university

academic dr kim milburn i began by asking why children no longer voted the same way as their parents' generation leftist explains a phenomenon that's emerged over the really of the last 5 years in which a huge generation gap has opened up a political generation gap has opened up young people attend to them up to vote for the left. and also to take on leftwing opinions and older people particularly over 50 five's agenda to vote for the right not always been like them well actually in the 1000 a 3 election the conservatives got more votes among 18 to 30 year olds in it than the labor party so it's not always like there is a general post-war trend right that people tend to get more conservative as they get older but that's been interrupted over the last 5 years and one of the one of the strange things is that the so there's some really really quickly. so it's not really visibly in the 2010 general election here the conservatives just one point below labor in that in a vote share sort of visible in 2015 but not not very great extent the 2017 general

election all of a sudden 70 percent of 18 to 24 year olds vote for labor like 20 percent and conservatives at the end of the scale in the over 60 five's it's the same 70 percent voting conservative 20 percent voting for labor and that has persisted really in the in the in the general election 2019 just just in december there's a little bit of a fall often in labor votes all over do you think boris johnson and dominic cummings's advisor had better be aware that there is a demographic time bomb or of these kids are just going to grow up and then vote tory which is being a pattern that's been observed in previous generations well we don't know but i don't think that's that doesn't seem to be the trend so you know that people get older they don't seem to move move in conservative and in in a in a large part i think that's because you know people have tended to become more conservative for a couple of reasons but one of them is you know they tend to buy houses and have

property etc and all the sudden they get a bit more interested in the system you know and that was a deliberate strategy from 130 s. onwards promote a property owning democracy democracy combat's so that the rise of socialism really reader gets accelerated in the 1980 s. when you have to sell off accounts and houses except for exhibitor and down or going to for dividing i mean that just that that homeownership among the under 44 was actually is really really dropped off homeownership in and among the under thirty's in 20 years so people are not buying homes of their you can't buy homes at the same extent so the chances of them turning conservative as they get older you know that's the transmission belt seems to have broken down to some degree and you make a convincing case i think that there are these particular seismic events that have shaped. this younger generation it's not the cuban missile. crazes it's a 28 crash in well i mean because everything i got to say about the dimensions of this generation gap is not just happened in britain you know it's visibly many

other different countries not the whole of the globe is visible it well the elections just. elections wishing fane for the 1st time one another actually you know broke this 2 party system they've go that's driven by youth votes if you look at the the u.s. . the democratic party's primaries to for the presidential nomination at the moment you know the vote for this is heavily heavily concentrated in the in the young and the over 60 five's over biden and in fact that was true in the 2016 presidential primary between sundays and clinton that was the age divide and you can see what a pulls people of older generation as you present news programs roebling i mean i don't know whether we want to be us coverage of all that the use of the s word socialism here were pulled here would be cool when the use of the s. would see it was that maybe it would get in here. and this is all

a sign that they don't even remember this generationally the bug where the red braid i mean this is the 1st post cold war generation you might say but but to come out to the 20072008 because you know we have to what caused this generational split up and suddenly it's an international scale so we need a cold which is quick sudden change which is happening to the 20072008 it's a crisis i think fits the bill and of course if you're young you're working there for you all your material interests are aligned say well what am i wages and how much is housing how much is living costs both of those been pretty bad. if you go over to feel property pension as we might say is that the core of the new right wing electoral coalition property print since their incomes are not dependent on wages their incomes are what's the price of howard said and how shares doing because pensions have been financial pensions or invest. the dean shares with shares a high that means you get and your pensions doing well so the interest of material interests of older people tend to be aligned with the financial and real estate

sector. and the interests of the young public completely different part of the economy one might call the real economy and i know you're dispassionate academic but i think you probably think of yourselves as progressive if you're working for students right now putting your hat there in the room with the cummings a good way to defame this generation and maybe just call them the snowflake the lenny ols is that a good strategy well it depends is that a strategy they use i mean it is a strategy it may well be a good start if you want to keep hold of your older vote is a terrible strategy if you want to win over the years and there was a study just came out in the summer by the resolution foundation and they were looking at so this myth of the snowflake is that that young people over entitle they expect a standard of living in a propensity to care about themselves just can't sell ferals yes younger people have much less disposable income than 20 years ago and they spend much more of that

income on essential is a much less of it. than they did 20 years ago so this idea of like you know that the reason that the young combine house is because they buy an avocado toaster as one of the famous misc it's just not true i mean that's not what the statistics say ok but social media as opposed to so-called mainstream media has been a bedrock for jerry corbin's campaigns for bernie sanders what do you think of the fact that when the celebrity caroline flack died boris johnson very quick downing street quick to lay blame on social media the attack a social media the trolling and so on that was these are not all agog code and. you know mainstream media do you think the game the older generations understand the power of social media to quote christine keeler he would say that wouldn't he but no i mean yes i don't think it's his kit click a lot of people don't use social media or they do but if we think about where older

people and younger people get their information from where they say they come across the news where they get their information about current affairs it's just usually split generationally over the over 50 finds who buy newspapers now and the under 50 five's they i think it's something like 20 percent of people of the 20 percent of and under 35 i think the statistic is and get that information from newspapers we talked to one of tony blair's cabinet ministers who said the reason colwyn failed is because he's seen as being unpatriotic when you're young you have nothing and in those red wall areas in joining the army is the thing to do they teach you patriotism and we know does that some labor leadership candidates we've talked about patriotism from reading this book that's not going to be in a big issue for the mass majority of generation left well it's interesting because that you would say that there were 2 big dividing points in the 21000 election age actually is a big divide in part but also so there's some geographical split in the vote so if

you were from small towns and villages you were more likely to vote for the conservatives if you were forced from the larger towns or cities you were going to vote in labor but in fact that this sort of devolved to asia to a large degree right because what's happened is that the smaller towns and villages have got progressively older and in particular the proportion of they call it the dependency ratio the proportion of working age population to retire at age population retired age pop up the center of the population has got bigger and bigger so when we look at this geographical split what we're seeing in part is we just seen repeats of the age split in a different form i think for those who believe that when they grow up they'll change a bit use. say that people shouldn't be too sanguine those elites the occupiers disappeared the riots i think in this building. the student grants they haven't disappeared even if they seem to have disappeared off the t.v. screens dubs of the demonstrations not the patients obviously except to extinction

rebellion yeah yeah you know but they have disappeared oh no london riots yeah really this is a no everybody thought that that might be the start of a new thing that 2001 london riots except you know that hasn't happened. you know and we might look at it now and say well look ok there is a bit of a generation left but they got defeated all of the problems all of the difficulties all the crises that created the conditions from which and people would move left none of them have gone away and to be honest it was going to do nothing about that he can't because it would destroy his coalition one of the other things we have to talk about as well as the 200-200-7200 extension 8 that you brought extinction rebellion and you know the other big phenomenon around climate change is the you've climate strikes school children younger than this cohort i'm calling generation f. you know i'm going on strike i'm you know got to turn big set to lead in the fight against climate change you know so if there are generational injustices around what happens at the financial crisis and they are there are huge generational injustices

related to climate change well the whole bit of as he did lose there's a fight for the soul of the labor party and so on do you think it is a very optimistic book it is suggesting that the baby boomer generation with their left melancholy with their aspirational meritocracy with their big houses and share option of the bench but they're just going to die off and there's a new revolutionary vanguard there waiting lists is that the men actually say that you know what but i mean so that's one way you could think about this look so let me be blunt bernie sanders could easily be the president of the united states by november he probably would be trump. but the demographics in the us a different to the to the demographic see it the millennial that's under 40 generation is much much bigger than it is here in the u.k. it's not quite a small cohort consider compared to generations that preceded it so the demographics are rights in america for they so coalition to work here we can't i

don't think we can wait until the baby boomers die off partly because you know we've been living longer longer and living longer and longer i don't think that's a bad thing i don't want the baby boomers that valuable we need to sort of we need to see to change the their assessment of what is the material interests to do i think we need to adjust that somehow i think you know the the threat of climate change will play a role in that you know i don't think i think by the time we get something like 2030 i think you know the sort of the base we're having now about what's important will not be seen as important i don't think anybody will admit to saying that they thought the end of the 2000 tonnes they thought drugs it was the most important issue in the world i don't mean that b.s. that would be a justifiable position because climate change will be so serious dr cameron thank you thanks dr kim il been speaking to us there and generation left is out now that's it for the show we'll be back on saturday with former united nations

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