i'm afshin rattansi we're going underground 24 hours after iran celebrates the overthrow of its british back to the ship albeit under lockdown and amidst a dystopian this information war over coronavirus coming on the show as the international community calls for the end of sanctions on iran is it an international war crime from washington to war in the islamic republic that coronavirus cannot save it from economic warfare and while u.k. corporate media rediscovers the sacrifices of n.h.s. doctors and nurses what about the so-called low skilled cleaners risking their lives to protect britain from coronavirus we talk to united voices of the world must be aware of the snowflake a generation is former u.k. prosecution bosky a star said to replace jeremy cool with his neighbor leader on saturday sitting on a socialist demographic time bomb all the small coming up in today's going underground the 1st u.s. president trump secretary of state for new sanctions on iran despite pressure from

the international community to suspend them all while the islamic republic faces the west corona virus outbreak in the middle east joining me now via face time from gone is dr samadi torabi director of the research that strategic studies institute sam thanks so much for coming on i'm going to ask 1st of all you're in quarantine how is the situation in go home even though obviously the united states has more coronavirus cases in absolute terms and obviously proportionately. yes actually doing quite well it was the 1st place that the pandemic started in iran and also we've been pretty much you know south korean singing ourselves since the end of february so thank god the numbers are have come down and bombed and also as you might have heard in the media you know there's no panic buying you know everything's well stocked and people are going about their lives pretty normally except for the strike of course but they're not congregating in public but thank god it's common and going well and right now well that may be the case but

washington is accusing tehran of lying about coronavirus that iran is somehow an accomplice in the pandemic i mean would you say that this is a celebration of the constitution of iran there's more or more understanding even amongst the young it's disproportionately young of course iran about the threat from the west. well you actually raise a good point which is that you know this trend towards an understanding the reality of what america is and and you know the evil nature of the united states particularly as it relates to the way it treats and the way it deals with iran this was something that was already happening before the coronavirus as it related to the j c p o s a and the whole attempt by a part of the iranian lead to come to some sort of a strategic or historic. rapprochement with the west that of course completely failed and so in a way this is now what we see with corona and the way the americans are dealing

with it and increasing the sanctions is of course you know emphasizing that point and driving it home for many of the people whom i had previously have not realized who they really are dealing with people way hearing here is that iran expelled meds on home front his 9 member team with medicine and them off trying to help your country what i know is that basically the iranians have asked the global community that they've published a list of medical equipment and medicines that they need all the money that would be needed to pay for it nobody's asking for handouts is currently in japanese korean and banks in luxembourg but of course it's all being blocked by the u.s. so that's what iran needs iran doesn't need a bunch of old french guys coming in and setting up 4040 but it's we asked the. hospital capacity of iran is still not use we have a vast. medical network the military the army and the revolutionary guards have set

up field hospitals around the country so we don't need beds we don't need doctors we have the best doctors in the world in iran what we need is this list that the government the foreign ministry has published of equipment and also we need governments to have the moral courage to stand up to the us and allow us to pay them good hard cash for the equipment that we. to take care of our people but do you think that say what ayatollah khomeini said when he raised the issue of the usa creating coronavirus should be understood in the context of a historical use of bio warfare by the united states well you know absolutely i mean and let's not forget it's not only the leader who's saying the news it's also the chinese have raised this issue and nobody knows obviously i don't know you don't know none of us know what the what the reality of that is but would we be surprised if we look at history if we look at the americans on the country to use atomic weapons only country to using agent orange in vietnam using depleted uranium

in iraq only country refusing to sign the chemical weapons ban and insisting on its right to use chemical weapons the only country in the world if you want to go way back you can look at you know what they did with the smallpox and the native americans and the different experiments that they had on african-americans because all it i'm talking about did the experiment on african-americans this isn't in the 20th century this is not like ancient history so if one day if history one day shows us or it comes out that the americans had you know mr round with with these coronaviruses and it got out of hand hey nobody would be surprised if that was the case ok but the new york times is reporting the pentagon has now ordered military commanders to plan for us as kill ation against iraq and hearing in coalition troops in iraq obviously the united states assassinated the iranian general caught some silly money iran responded by mistakenly shooting down a passenger jet how can iran be sure that it's intercontinental missiles can even

be capable of retaliation against any imminent us donald trump attack on the islamic republic of course that was tragic what happened with that with the plane and obviously at that time you know and any defense system in the world could have made that mistake obviously the other thing that the iranians that they blew up the in the last at base and other. base is an area so let's not you know if forget that part of the iranian answer to what happened at that time and obviously you know i think anybody who knows the history of america's involvement in iraq know that the best thing for america would be just to get out as soon as possible because the only thing that's going to happen for the americans they're going to lose if they can choose to do it sooner or later and do it later with more soldiers being lost so that's really all it is and nobody's really losing sleep about that here in iraq and just finally and briefly what do you think we should make of the u.s. u.k. backed saudi air strikes joining this pandemic on the world's worst humanitarian

crisis in yemen we need to really explain the evilness of what they're doing and they've been doing it for 6 years now we have to really get into it do we have to explain to 2 elites in europe and in and in america what their governments are doing and how evil it is i think it's anybody who has any bit of conscience and has a little bit of humanity left in them know that this is you know the purest form of people who are ski has had the ambassador to london on the program for exam editor robin thank you well here in britain still involved in overseas wars the mainstream media that not long ago criticize doctors for going on strike is suddenly hailing them as heroes but what about the least well paid now risking their lives to save britain from coronavirus joining me via skype from london is petrus aliya co-founder of united voices of the world thank you so much veterans for coming on the reports in the papers here the doctors and nurses are being gagged for talking about the shortage of protective equipment here in the u.s. a g. work is actually going on strike because they want to build ventilators what about

your members when it comes to protective equipment as as your members sacrifice there are health arguably to save us 1st is absolutely scandalous that anybody should be. speaking the truth about the government's failure to provide appropriate personal protective equipment to docs and nurses and other for the n.h.s. workers. and i would call an old noise in trade unions out there to stand up and bring any legal challenge a kind against an attempt to guide them for that that is also obviously the sky and that of not having been provided by the p.p. in the 1st place on members on the fund not in the n.h.s. cleaning portering and catering and they are provided with p.p. either they have very flimsy mosques very flimsy overrules totally inadequate and a lot of them are getting really sick a lot of them a contract ignace virus i know unfortunately many of them in some areas hospital still don't get proper sick pay and so they simply can't afford to stay at home

which is what they should be doing and instead they are risking not only their health but that of other people well math and called has been taken ill by coronavirus the health secretary says there are going to be mosques martha johnson who has coronavirus says there are going to be mosques and protective equipment telling about per se a cleaner sacked allegedly for observing social distancing a member of her union employees all over the country really showing their true colors colors in the face of this crisis so we see wetherspoon's you know it made the sex 40000 stuff on the back of the court of imus not knocked down but you also get cases like percy's he's a cleaner at kings college a very prestigious very wealthy university and he was called into a disciplinary hearing. that disciplinary hearing was going to have 8 people in a room and it's completely contravened government social distancing guidelines

public health england the world health organization so percy rightly stayed away from not hearing and king's college decided to go ahead in his absence hold that hearing and actually they took the decision to dismiss him now this is left see in the middle of a pandemic in the white heat of a pandemic. risk of destitution this really speaks to the culture that many low paid workers are having to work in today to complete contempt. which employers such as kings university treat the lowest paid frontline stuff such as percy well we obviously invite to king's college london the bosses involved on the show but the whole world now knows it's only as safe as the most vulnerable tell me about so-called migrant workers people of color disproportionately amongst the those who clean and porter the hospitals now the front lines of the coronavirus are they affecting workers of color more disproportionately just a question about life we just take one example which is imperial trust one of the

biggest trusts in the countries which in which inc which encompasses 5 hospitals including some marries which is the biggest one in paddington in west london. 100 percent of the chain is porters and kate was are all 99 percent of my good workers from dozens of different countries around the world now they are there on the front line now they bravely went on strike last year and forced the trust to make them punish us employees and i was at the 1st of april they will be in excess employees which will give them a huge amount of extra protection we're calling on the government to ensure that every so-called key worker gets at least 15 pounds an hour as many key workers. as little as 8 pounds $21.00 to minimum wage will increase but only to 8 pounds $71.00 no worker gnocchi worker and it's time demick deserves less and as you say at least those workers are some of them got recognition as n.h.s. workers rather than being somehow self employed or on 0 hours what do you make of

the x. goldman sachs banker who is now the finance minister of this country britain soon act because he said he has been responding with massive help for those employed in this country who have lost have because of coronavirus there's no doubt that it's in him is an unprecedented stimulus package he has offered firstly only. 80 percent of workers wages and in order to be eligible for that money your employer needs to choose to apply for it the government's got the money the workers should access it directly the other fact is is that this money won't be seen for probably another month and in the meantime people have got to try to find a way to make ends meet which will be extremely difficult for millions of workers so that hasn't been factored into his quote of our stop retention scheme either and the fact of the matter is that there are many workers there are sick they still get statutory sick pay that's $94.00 pounds and $25.00 pence per week who can live on that but it wasn't on a go the people were clapping for the national health service do you think it's got

through to boris johnson that doesn't mean anything on sex workers as mean anything on bus drivers that mean anything on clean as you said on porches why do you think that is you think they fundamentally don't understand the class dimension to coronavirus absolutely i don't understand why don't you know i do think they understand outstanding that cat bush johnson did say the other day for the 1st time that he does believe in such a thing as society which was a rebuttal to such as claim that there is no shas thing as a society so that he's defied his messiah maggie that's i don't think bush johnson will change i think that he's his priority is to protect the bosses or protect the bankers still if you really cared about working class communities migrant communities bank communities he would be ensuring that the minimum wage was raised to at least the level of a real living wage he would ensure that every worker out they got proper full pay sick day from day one of illness lot of them to measly statutory sick pay that

millions have to try to get by on he would ensure that universal credit was quicker and easier to access and it was at the rate of a living wage he would ensure that the self-employed the $5000000.00 self-employed people out there that have to wait until the end of june to get any of the money that he's promised would be getting it sooner through emergency funds perhaps will go through a bit of an epiphany during his coronavirus recovery but that's unlikely. thank you we obviously invite the kids have a government representative on the program after the break because the young outliving the old joining the pandemic present a demographic time bomb for the centrist poised to replace labor leader jeremy corbett on saturday all the civil coming up about 2 and going on the ground. the world is driven by shaped by.

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death row. welcome back despite calls for a coronavirus bespoke moment of the election of a new leader for western europe's largest socialist movement jeremy corbin's labor party and the integral so-called centrist as. boys to win on saturday but does it pierce dhamma leadership really mean the end of the cauldron project a new book generation left demolish is the myth of a snowflake generation and suggests not before u.k. government or by social distancing i caught up with the author lester university academic dr kim milburn i began by asking why children no longer voted the same way as their parents' generation leftist explains a phenomenon that submerged over the really of the last 5 years in which a huge generation gap has opened up a political generation gap has opened up young people attend to them up to vote for

the left. and also to take on leftwing opinions and older people particularly over 50 five's agenda to vote for the right not always be like them well actually in the 1000 a 3 election the conservatives got more votes among 18 to 30 year olds in it than the labor party so it's not always like there is a general post-war trend right that people tend to get more conservative as they get older but that's been interrupted over the last 5 years and one of the one of the strange things is this is some really really quickly. so it's not really visibly in the 2010 general election here at the conservatives just one point below labor in that in a vote share sort of visible in 2015 but not not very great extent the 2017 general election all of a sudden 70 percent of 18 to 24 year olds vote for labor like 20 percent vote and conservatives at the other end of the scale in the over 60 five's is the same 70 percent voting conservative 20 percent voting for labor and that has persisted

really in that in the in the general election 2019 just just in december there's a little bit of a fall often in labor votes all over do you think boris johnson and dominic cummings's advisor had better be aware that there is a demographic time bomb or of these kids are just going to grow up and then vote tory which is being a pattern that's been observed in previous generations well we don't know but i don't think that's that doesn't seem to be the trend so you know that people get older they don't seem to move move in conservative and in in a in a large part i think that's because people have tended to become more conservative for a couple of reasons but one of them is you know they tend to our houses and have property except for those and they get a bit more interested in the system you know and that was a deliberate strategy from 1980 s. onwards promote a property owning democracy democracy combat's so that the rise of socialism really but really gets accelerated than the 1980 s. when you have to sell off accounts and houses except for exactly and but now no

we're going to well i mean the just that that homeownership among the under 44 was actually is really really dropped off homeownership in and among the under thirty's in 20 years so people are not buying homes are you can't buy homes at the same extent so the chances of them turning conservative as they get older you know that's the transmission belt seems to have broken down to some degree and you make a convincing case i think that there are these particular seismic events that have shaped. this younger generation it's not the cuban missile. crazes it's a 28 crash in well i mean because the other thing i got to say about the dimensions of this generation is not just happened in britain you know it's visibly many other different countries not the whole of the globe is visible it well the elections just. elections wishing fane for the 1st time one another actually you know broke this 2 party system they've go that's driven by youth votes if you look at the the u.s. . the democratic party's primaries to for the presidential nomination at the moment

you know the vote for this is heavily heavily concentrated in the in the young and the over 60 five's over biden and in fact that was true in the twenty's 16 presidential primary between sundays and clinton the age divide and you can see how it a pulls people of older generation as you present news programs roebling i mean i don't know whether we want to be us coverage of all that the use of the s word socialism here were pulled here would be cool beans use of the s. would see it was maybe a given here. and this is all a sign that they don't even remember this generationally the bug where the red braid i mean this is the 1st post cold war generation you might say but but to come back to the 20072008 because you know we have to what caused this generational split up and suddenly it's an international scale so we need a cold which is quick sudden change which is happening to the 20072000 that's

a crisis i think fits the bill and of course if you're young you're working there for you all your material interests are lying say well what am i wages and how much is housing how much is living costs both of those been pretty bad actually if you go over to feel property pension as we might say is that the core of the new right wing electoral coalition property print since their incomes are not dependent on wages their incomes are what's the price of houses and how share is doing because pensions are being financial lives so your pensions are invest. dean shares with shares a high that means you get and your pensions doing well so the interest the material interests of older people tend to be aligned with the financial and real estate sector. and the financial interests of the young is a public completely different part of the economy one might call the real economy and i know you're dispassionate academic but i think you probably think of yourselves as progressive if you're working for students right now putting your hat

there in the room with the cummings a good way to defame this generation maybe just call them the snowflake lenny ols you've got a good strategy well it depends is that a strategy they use i mean it is a strategy it may well be a good start if you want to keep hold of your older vote it's a terrible strategy if you want to win over the years and there was a study just came out in the summer by the resolution foundation and they were looking at so this myth of the snowflake is that the young people over entitle they expect a standard of living they're not prepared to just care about themselves just can't sell ferals yet younger people have much less disposable income than 20 years ago and they spend much more of that income on essential as a much less of it. than they did 20 years ago so this idea of like you know that the reason that the young combine house is because they're buying a condo toast as one of the famous myths guess it's just not true i mean that's not what the statistics say ok but social media as opposed to so-called mainstream media has been

a bedrock for jerry corbin's campaigns for bernie sanders what do you think of the fact that when the celebrity caroline flack died or still some very quick downing street quick to lay blame on social media and the attack a social media the trolling and so on that was these are not all agog code and. you know mainstream media do you think the game the older generations understand the power of social media to quote christine keeler he would say that wouldn't he but no i mean yes i don't think it's his kit click a lot of people don't use social media or they do but if you think about where older people and younger people get their information from where they say they come across the news where they get their information a current affair as it's just usually spent generationally over the over 50 five's who buy newspapers now and the under 50 five's they i think it's something like 20 percent of people of the 20 percent of and under 35 i think the statistic is get

that information from newspapers we talked to one of tony blair's cabinet ministers who said the reason corwin failed is because he's seen as being unpatriotic when you're young you have nothing and in those red wall areas in joining the army is the thing to do they teach you patriotism and we know does that some labor leadership candidates we've talked about patriotism from reading this book that's not going to be any big issue for the mass majority of generation left well it's interesting because that you would say that there were 2 big dividing points in the 21000 election age actually is a big divide in part but also there's something geographical split in the vote so if you were from small towns and villages you were more likely to vote for the conservatives if you were forced from the logic towns or cities you were going to vote labor but in fact that this sort of devolved to asia to a large degree right because what's happened is that the smaller towns and villages have got progressively older and in particular the proportion of they call it the

dependency ratio the proportion of working age population to retire at age population retired age pop up the center of the population has got bigger and bigger in a smaller towns as young people have to move to the cities to pursue opportunities and jobs etc so when we look at this geographical split what we're seeing in pot is we've just seen repeats of the age split in a different. form i think for those who believe that when they grow up they'll change a bit you say that people shouldn't be too sanguine those elites the occupiers disappeared the riots i think in this building. for student grants they haven't disappeared even if they seem to have disappeared off the t.v. screens dubs of the demonstrations not the patients obviously excepting extinction rebellion yeah yeah you know but they have disappeared i'll never know london riots yeah really this is a no everybody thought that that might be the start of a new thing not 2011 london riots except you know that hasn't happened. you know

and we might look at it now and say well look ok there is a bit of a generation left but they got defeated all of the problems all of the difficulties all the crises that created the conditions from which and people would move left none of them have gone away and to be honest it was going to do nothing about that he can't because it would destroy his coalition one of the other things we'd have to talk about as well as the 200-200-7200 extension 8 because you brought up extinction rebellion and you know the other big phenomenon around climate change is that you've climate strikes school children younger than this cohort i'm calling generation f. you know i'm going on strike i'm you know gratitude that you're leading the fight against climate change you know so if there are generational injustices around what happens at the financial crisis and they are there are huge generational injustices related to climate change well the call made all this he did lose is a fight for the soul of the labor party and so on do you think it is a very optimistic book it is suggesting that the baby boomer generation with their

left melancholy with their aspirational meritocracy with their big houses and share options of pension plans they're just going to die off and there's a new revolutionary van gogh out there waiting for this place is that the men actually say that you know what but i mean so that's one way you can think about this look so let me be blunt bernie sanders could easily be the president of the united states by november he probably would be trump. but the demographics in the us a different to the to the demographic see it the millennial. generation is much much bigger than it is here in the u.k. it's not quite a small cohort consider compared to generations that preceded it so the demographics are rights in america for they so coalition to work here we can't i don't think we can wait until the baby boomers die off partly because you know we've been living longer and longer a him living longer and longer i don't think it's about that i don't want the baby boomers that valuable we need to sort of we need to see to change the their

assessment of what is the material interests to do i think we need to adjust that somehow i think you know the the threat of climate change will play a role in that you know i don't think i think by the time we get something like 2030 i think you know the sort of the base we're having now about what's important will not be seen as important i don't think anybody will admit to saying that they thought the end of the 2000 tonnes they thought drugs it was the most important issue in the world i don't mean that b.s. that would be a justifiable position because climate change will be so serious but you can't win thank you thanks dr kim il been speaking to us there and generation left is out now that's it for the show will be back on saturday with former united nations secretary general ban ki moon and till then wash your hands safe and join the underground but following up on you tube twitter facebook instagram and sent out.

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of us from around the world live from central london this is also u.k. . the number of daily coronavirus deaths hits a record 563 that's as the british government is on the flop but still failing to meet its a virus testing toilets. government experts say there could be signs of a virus slowdown that myth it's true no need to know for sure. number 10 business schools to release the days of an informed it's walk down to city hall concerns the top designs truck infected patients a more novice could also be used as a full control will be facing this later this hour. also the u.n.

aid to the gaza strip little things that the densely populated territory could see a devastating blow. to the health system already ravaged by years of the israeli egyptian blockade to get reaction from tel aviv and i'll be talking also to a humanitarian campaign. the u.k. has experienced its worst day for corona virus deaths with more than $500.00 in just 24 hours that's as the government comes under fire for its coronavirus testing program as ministers admit it will still be weeks before the 25000 a day target is reached on thousands of health workers condemned the lack of protective equipment with some frontline staff claiming they're threatened with the sack if they reveal the true scale of the crisis with the latest r.t. cases and he joins me now here in the studio so isa bring us up to speed on what's

been happening today well but we've seen over the past 24 hours the latest 24 hours on the record what is the biggest increase in the number of deaths around the country rise of $563.00 deaths which takes the total in the u.k. of those who have died having tested positive for coded 10022352 it's interesting use of language that with origins have been using death after testing positive for 1000 because it isn't entirely sure you know in so early on in this crisis how many deaths are caused by coded 1100 deaths are a preexisting conditions made worse by the virus in any case large death toll over the past 24 hours and it comes out of the government faces criticism what's deemed to be a lack of urgency when it comes to testing the government saying previously that they've wanted to test 10000 people a day but it appears that 14 short of that. short of that target but we've been

hearing from robert general he's a housing secretary say that the government aim to test up to 25000 people a day within the next fortnight but admits the government could do better but the situation has a pretty easy. no we do need to ramp up production very significantly it isn't easy to procure tests in a global country because there's a great deal of demand. now while the government might argue that global demand for testing kits is putting pressure on the government's ability to deliver there are those who say the government had months to prepare having seen what was happening in china and they did that in comparing them to the situation in germany for example where up 270000 tests a day are being carried out so we know that for my well health organization director anthony costello has said that the u.k. really has failed to organize itself properly when it comes to testing. and he said

what about the n.h.s. all our staff coping well we know that for a long while throughout this crisis we've seen n.h.s. staff complaining about the lack of p.p.a. personal protective equipment in addition to complaining about the lack of tests and to that end a number of n.h.s. doctors have gotten together and it's just stuff in fact 2 writes a letter under the umbrella of a group called every doc so this is addressed to the prime minister and it calls for frontline n.h.s. staff to be provided with more p.p. it's been signed by 10000 n.h.s. workers and they state that workers should all have the basic equipment things like medical masks eye protection clean scrubs and so one letter also goes on to claim that n.h.s. staff are dying due to a lack of equipment now the n.h.s. have responded they've said that they welcome when members of staff raise concerns such as these. once

a major incident occurs it is vital that the public receive fast authority to open clear and consistent information from there and h.s. which is why in line with longstanding emergency preparedness resilience and response protocols official communications are therefore always coordinated nationally staff continued to speak in a personal trade union or professional body capacity and this is self-evident from print and broadcast media coverage throughout this incident that staff are able and do in fact speak freely but to that end the n.h.s. we've seen they're saying that they're willing to let staff speak up but others have said on the n.h.s. workers that it is that they've been threatened possibly with being fired from their jobs if they are to go and speak for example to media outlets about their concerns so clearly many many worries among staff not only about the equipment and

the testing but also how much freedom they have to raise those concerns to the public thank you very much indeed for all of that when it comes as government officials cautiously claim britain is showing early signs of a slowdown in the spread of the virus yesterday n.h.s. chief stephen powers said that while we're not through the worst of it yet there aren't signs of recovery we have had a rise in the number of u.k. cases but recently there is a little bit of a plateau i think it's really important not to read too much into this because it's early days we're not out of the woods we're very much in the woods and it's really important that we keep complying with those instructions. downing street top appealed to me ologist professor neil ferguson also admitted that there may be some evidence to suggest that lockdown measures are working however he also stress that it is too early to know what effect this will have on the death rate but experts also caution against over interpret in the figures the infection rate could be an

underestimate given the lack of testing and the death rate could be an overestimate as it indicates all deaths occurring with the virus not soley due to the virus. i was just a war university dr mike tildes he agrees that it's still early days because a lot of what seems to be completely new information coming out at the moment i think it is true that the maybe some promising sign been the might be a slight drop in the number of hospital admissions that happened over the last couple of days what i would say is we're still in the relatively early days in the u.k. is seeing the impact of the more severe social distancing measures that came in a week ago and. yet there's a certain lack of time because when some get infected they may not show symptoms for up to a week or even 2 weeks later so a lot of the cases we're still seeing reported will have been infected prior to the introduction of these measures so there are similarly signs in the data that we may be starting to see a slowdown but we probably really weren't able to towel for maybe

a couple of weeks' time when we really are starting to plateau when seeing a drop or experience of modeling this type of epidemic and what you're seeing is that the bang conventional thinking. and how and why i will say is that no epidemic is like the one before so there's always going to be slight differences because every to see the code is going to have slightly different transmission characteristics it's going to have a slightly different death rate slightly different sort of infection time and so forth but broadly speaking the way that an epidemic behaves it behaves in the same sort of way that you get an increase in cases but initially looks like it exponentially growing and can be quite worrying of course for lots of people and then we'll start to see a tailing off in plateau way before starting to decline the real uncertainty actually comes when we get into this declining phase because it's not automatically clear that of course it will decline and then it will die out you can possibly get

a sort of an infection tale that can carry on for certain length of time in a lot of the things we need to think about when we get beyond the key is how to manage that and how to put in measures that enable us to sort of get out of these more severe lockdown procedures as quickly and as efficiently as possible yes i just on that point do you anticipate the lockdown measures could be eased in the near future when i say that in time for mid summer perhaps just finally i this is that this is a real pretty difficult question to ask and so i will say one of the key things we'll be looking at in sort of 12 weeks time whether the really is evidence of a reduction in the daily number of cases and that will give us a real indication as to whether people are complying. the government is under pressure to release the data that justified last week's lockdown prata the announcement number 10 said reporting public interactions inform the decision but opposition leaders want more transparency. we've handed over

extraordinary powers to the government for obvious and good reason but it's important that the government is clear and transparent about how and why those powers are being used it would be better if the government is as transparent as possible the data should be published. the government has yet to respond to the request but says it receives its information from a range of sources all compliant with current data regulations number 10 also said it would publish data when legally possible and if it helped the public to better understand the threat where it's possible to publish data and where we think doing so will give the public a better understanding of the threat of the virus than we are committed to doing so . the concern over days had privacy comes as the government plans to release an app that would inform the public of nearby virus carriers developed by n.h.s. england's innovation arm it works by using short way signals to detect nearby phones in your area those who have tested positive can tell the app which then

informs those nearby to protect the infected use identity these alerts would also be delayed but over half of the population needs to use the app in order for it to be effective the data won't be stored by a central system which creators hope will allay fears about privacy and hacking but an open letter from experts to the government is also warned the technology could be used for nefarious purposes any technology initiatives put in place now to suppress coronavirus must protect human rights be proportionate and work within the rule of law not least because they will set the template for what comes next in the delivery of health services in the u.k. the combination of this new coronavirus bill with existing far reaching data gathering powers creates the risk that location and contact tracking technology could be used as a means of social control so is this a step too far or is it unnecessary risk in the fight against the virus to debate this i'm joined by an expert in digital forensics the coda camilla and previously

activist bill mary thank you both very much for joining us to kind of is this a good idea because of course people are very concerned that data won't be kept safely here so thank you for having me on. i mean. it could be something because you will be warned if you were in contact or in. some wonder he's posted but what does he mean is busted because he has selected i'm in d.c. or just because i want to look to you as a course to be a user and. the problem in my opinion is that these are p.k. shown could be not only get diddy from demobilized form but also from a 3rd party source because a i type explain if you have just an application on your home or by phone and you

ordered that every days we have a lot of for hacking a lot of data breaches around the water and somebody can't after the information that your by phone records and maybe the can figure out if they can figure that these mumbai phone is in another area so if a sporting these feet look issue like you're backing create a very huge aren't independent lieschen because everybody would be born like ok any corner. and because you there are 7 are fake a g.p.s. of peckish i'm booked for and to avoid or i us that you can install in your buy form and but if you link these information. to something as for example for a call it directly quote a default record that deckard it had it could be a very better idea because we have like

a proof of the source or of your data ok let's hear from bill then what are 2 concerns f. in the kind of a course we do know that singapore has used a similar happen the r.s. government is looking into it so it looks bill as if this is something really very very helpful and they will happen in the future. i think it's a little bit misleading some of the reports of the say we got to overturn the current privacy regulations in order to make this sort of information available the reality is g.d.p. which is the main privacy for some regulation actually includes a provision for epidemics and therefore you don't need to overturn the current prison provisions you actually need to simply abide by them and. those rules say that you should only use the data that's absolutely necessary and you need to think well what are these applications actually trying to do and how accurate and useful can they be and i think people would be surprised to take for example if somebody

were to go into a supermarket and there would be 100 other people in the supermarket and it passed very closely to one or 2 people who got the supermarket you would know how which those people you'd be able to trace them you may have tracked them you just know that they were in a building with those 100 people if there were 10 buildings immediately adjacent you would know which one of those that it was in also if somebody was living in a tower block when they returned home you wouldn't be know whereabouts in that tower block that person was and then there's the accuracy of what exactly do we talking about tracking here how accurately are we doing self diagnosis and we have to be a little bit careful about what we think this is going to achieve how accurate we think this is going to be and therefore how much data we're parting with possibly unnecessarily and what the long term implications could be allowing this sort of intrusion and the kind of with all the doubts that business raise there this sort of that could actually create mass panic. i think so because we find you you know

you get laid there wasn't that a breach of the maybe you don't alter screen so if some somebody can enter and these are because i don't know if deep it is for a long time since now because it is something like you created now by now you know on there could be some roulette offered security and if someone can enter can't talk to not information obviously is not to warning everybody because everyone a council typically chill in houston by phone that constantly tracks. its own position sure but both of ray's very valid concerns but the n.h.s. are already consulting with technologists and n.g.o.s on exactly those issues or lied about so are you assured by that thursley a bill by the fact that they are addressing these issues. it's not me that you need to convince it's the general public because these sorts of applications are no use whatsoever until unless you get widespread adoption and as long as they fail to

address these concerns as long as they fail to in norm have widespread trust in the applications the whole exercise is point so you want a carriage people not to use as at bill i think we need to address those concerns we've raised a number and we need to address them in a way that gives everyone confidence and trust that this is going to work affectedly that only the data there is absolutely necessary shared and actually going to get the sort of benefits we expect from the technology and i'm yet to be convinced the kota it's all about helping us keeping us safe surely this out no matter what you're worried about it will be developed in such a way that it will in effect saved lives. i agree with you. if the only way to or for this app to be useful is that everybody installing his mumbai phone and i'm not seeing a teacher frothing but i'm saying that if he's created in the proper way yes

a very useful and also because inside mechanism to try to stop hacking on these applications because not only keep the data from them or by phone you need to source the something asked the to prove that what the are collecting is the true otherwise you can create some peace train just not be on the bill me thank you very much and david discussing this with us live here and i can't thank you town thank you thank you still to come this hour the u.n. sends more than $4000.00 losses in a single day to palestinians in gaza as a massive health ministry declares it needs $20000000.00 to fight help break up it will go to humanitarian campaign officials.

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for. the u.n. has delivered over fulfills impulses in the single day to help honest indians on the gaza strip amid fears that the territory could experience a catastrophic help or a cold corona virus that's is among those a mass is health ministry says it needs $20000000.00 to fight the virus while building new quarantine facilities to stop the fragile health system collapsing. in tel aviv. when you talking about gaza you need to realize that we're talking about one of the most densely populated areas on earth there are 2000000 people here who live in the space of 140 square miles so any kind of virus any kind of pandemic is going to ultimately run the risk of becoming

a catastrophe as you mentioned the united nations relief and works agency has been distributing food parcels it also talks about they being not enough testing equipment in the strip and in this respect israel is trying to bring in some equipment and testing tests so that people can conduct what is needed to happen inside the strip now we have in terms of figures up to 12 people who are confirmed dead but that figure is unfortunately expected to escalate this is a shortage of facilities and in this respect too large facilities are being built and 18 facilities are being converted into clinics at the same time the health ministry has said that it needs some $20000000.00 in this respect the ta has offered to give $150000000.00 in aid to try and help ease the situation in the gaza strip the situation is made that much worse by the seas that has been imposed by israel for the better part of 14 years so that siege has seen a much needed basic supplies been able to enter the gaza strip at the same time

a harsher rules are being implemented rules that are preventing people from gathering in large crowds and rules that are also stopping street vendors and any kind of street markets from happening now across the border in israel where i am on wednesday we saw the highest wise in the number of people testing positive for covered 19 in this respect there are more than 5500 israelis who have tested positive the chief of staff is under quarantine and you have $21.00 israelis who have died the unemployment figure also stands at one in 4 now this is a figure that is the highest that this country has ever witnessed and it came into effect just in the last 23 weeks when you have all the drama and all the lockdown khurana vi. i spent the better part of today in mash of ram it is one of the neighborhoods for the ultra orthodox religious jews and these are the areas that are the worst hit in the hospitals 40 to 60 percent of patients come from the ultra-orthodox jewish communities and this is because these communities are not

here into the lockdown just on sunday there was a funeral with more than 400 people they continue to flout the rules and gather for prayer meetings for weddings for funerals i was with there on patrol with the police and we were pelted with stones and eggs in the ultra-orthodox screaming at the police to leave the neighborhood but the police of course insisting that they're going to stay there and try and bring these and to corona virus orders into place as the country be set up its efforts to try and deal with this point and pandemic to discuss this further i'm now joined by the humanitarian campaign and c.e.o. of the lady fatima charitable trust mokhtari mcduff thank you very much indeed for joining us gaza is very densely populated this could get very bad indeed of course the way we look to that ability fatima trust is in 3 or should so 1st in order to protect the population that is in such a densely populated area where medical facilities also sparse and so difficult to

get into it is more than just ensuring that the right test strips are there and i do you units are present group that has not your or vaccine so the only way to support a patient is by a jury good idea of the city's gulzar just does not have that but beyond that protecting it is not the physical wellbeing of that person only as an adult as that is the mental health of those individuals who lived under siege for 14 years in such a tightly closed space that is regularly bombed is something that is your belief so corona in goals that doesn't go on the back of very strong public infrastructure it's really movie people and he can. and to me that is able to withstand it it comes on the back of so atrocious living conditions and this could very very easily escalate and yet there they are preparing with to quarantine facilities an 18 additional facilities or is that not enough oh i don't believe it is at all because

quarantine will only stop. additional people coming into the facility into the gaza strip where you already have individuals that are living in multigenerational families in very very tight living accommodations this could this could be disastrous and forcing any curves you. see in and having people isolated were just being a very effective measure you know other places is just not a luxury that gazans have you talked earlier about a hugely damaging who's trying to tell us more about the state of the health system to keep years after this blockade so for instance at the lady fatima trust we have 2 specific areas we support i think it's important to look at this because we tend to look at statistics as every human being just counts as as one but we support a deaf community there so imagine a child has not been to school 1st weeks on end but his death and his parents have

got to try to explain to him how they live how to remain safe during the poor conditions the majority of gazans don't have access to clean water on a regular basis how do you wash your hands with antibacterial what we don't have access to water even audiology equipment for these schools is difficult to get hold of that load the ice you facility the other community we regularly work with children who are dependent on dialysis and most of medical treatment again so them being quarantined is not an option they need to get out of their homes and have these dialysis units you know serve them so again it's not something where it's a luxury that we just postpone for them to respect. their treatment also their medical facilities to be diverted folk are only victims as a shortage as it is for the people to be treated but long term care needs to be looked after in a population where the majority of youth are unemployed and also already dependent

on food aid this will only make them even more dependent on to date with even fewer resources to get around looked up us along with all your doing work to carm thank you very much indeed for joining us live in r.t. thank you for having me. funnily the lockdown means a prince of spending a lot of time at home as per the government advice to stop the virus spreading it's got to be business as usual for key workers including us journalists bring it all the way sim from asian arctic a shot it was dashed he takes a look behind the scenes at the precautions we are taking here a rolling tank attic left. the biggest story in town in fact the only story in town is of course the coronavirus crisis with breaking news it's organized chaos and it is in the driving seat jenna's working flat out and correspondents like me in the deep end but with this story is simply can't be like that the government advice is to stay at home in order to stop the spread and anyone that can work from home at all t. does but in order to broadcast live television as you at least need some people

here myself included in the office and in the studio so those of us that have to be here are at least spaced out 2 metres apart with plenty of hand washing a liberal use of hand sanitizer to behind the scenes one absolutely ben minimum anyone that's not essential to the text team is kicked out after they've done message top good news for the lighting rig this is the room we call studio b. where our guests come to do live interviews but now they're all on video link so i guess it's just gathering dust before i go and i need to look presentable and even though the makeup artist is here as an x. record i'm doing it myself usually i'd sit next to a news anchor bill but in order to maintain that 2 meters distance i'm all the way over here hi bill. stay safe and keep watching for the latest. and that's it for the more news in just over half an hour.

the world is driven by shaped. thing. we. ask. oh and welcome to the r.t.e. interview one peter lavelle donald trump's deal of the century has been put forward what does it say about the middle east geopolitics in even metaphysics i mean again joined by a former british and founder and director of complex form alister welcome back to moscow every time we meet we talk about the middle east you know when donald trump

and his administration put forward their deal of the century for what we thought was going to be the the israeli palestinian conflict to be resolved actually is something much much more comprehensive and i've read dozens and dozens of articles about it they all pretty much say the same thing but your article recent article israel in the middle east a civilizational and metaphysical war this is so think very different looking at the deal this century what's your thesis in this article simply the fact to recognize that israel. is more like any normal nationalism it's not like nationalism of russian nationalism or other nationalism precisely because it was this was dictated by god and it was. a civilization role and metaphysical. came to the.