selfish ever not 2nd welcoming 19 condemn a case he manatees biggest test in decades and for every individual's mental health as well they will look into it fear one of the most basic emotions that's currently in ruling many lives together when. new york scientists yes they did. so yet a dead excite hatteras neuroscientist with us today to discuss that fear factor jury and global condemning yes i want to start with a little parable i've heard recently so take meets a pilgrim right on the road and ask him where he going and the public says well i'm heading to the holy city of what about you an enclave goes well i'm going to baghdad and i'm going to kill 5000 people. so both meet again in a year and the pilgrims has to play you know you said you're going to kill 5000 people but in fact if you're 55000 people and. no i told you the truth i'd kill those 5000 people the rest out of fear so i thought it was very relevant in what's

going on today to me is our fear of this current a virus that makes that it know that it can actually kill us. first thank you for having me. yes here is a powerful weapon here may be a deadly weapon and if you make you know intimate you know in many ways when we thinking about fear. there are many layers to to you that we are experiencing one thing the most obvious is what we feel and how we think and think about the threat you think about. safety searching for safety but that's the part that is more cognitive or the levels are a few things but there are also other layers. another one is. all there all physiological responses when your heart is pounding your blood

pressure is increased in order to pump more blood more oxygen manju trans to your muscles. and enables you either right or running away and this physiological levels you know you think about increased blood pressure some people may die of heart attack and actually there are some studies some reports. in africa when. people were attacked by. some of them were actually getting heart attack during this assault so possible they could die of heart attack not only because. they say when someone commits suicide jumping prescribe skyscraper he is not even going to know when he reaches the floor because he's going to have a heart attack or that right something that's one thing but another thing is that

you're mentioning dying by suicide. that few may push us to behave in a certain way we making a runaway and all down a request or if you might trigger aggression which is also a response a survival response and somebody else may die because the person has so frightened and they there because of this year to somebody else and we said. i want to talk a little more though and the physiological level if you don't mind we're going to go through all that in detail but 1st like stress i know is a very powerful tool that can destroy one's house right with a doctor say 50 percent of our health problems come from stress connection imagine how psychosomatic work. you convince yourself that you're sick and indeed you just start feeling the symptoms and even though you're physically healthy so if i keep for instance my hands clean watch them all the time but if you're panicking.

a lot with these would this make me susceptible to college 1000 more how does it work i mean would my immune system literally be suppressed or go down if i panic and fear getting infected with coverage 19 for a long safe year. and may may lower or may affect your immune response because your means a prolonged future when prolonged stress means that your stress hormones are good the levels of your stress hormones are going to go up and. prolong increase approach of ation of stress hormones and you about it definitely affect your immune response so if your we don't have fuel to live in fear we half year to look for safety to secure our safety and the safety of our team and that's that's the that's the whole difficult it is the whole problem better than when there's

a mismatch between responses and the environment the kind of we may be at risk of living in fear without really using this whole energy that if you're use us. so under stress from what i understand great. the brain center actually there is room for fear and anxiety is most active while the rational part of our brain actually becomes more sluggish right so does that mean that the during bad times our reason gives derange to our emotions. yes yes absolutely well 1st of all. usually i mean i'm i'm speaking. again from this evolutionary perspective the threats were kind of pretty predictable and that's the that's why the responses were pretty simple really. major responses one is to freeze so you just kind of don't move you you you

don't want to draw attention of the predator you you run away. light or you fight it's pretty simple now the environment is more sophisticated it's not enough it's not there's no washing your hands are why it's in your brain you just need to how do i or you need to you need to have this this response or you learn what is really important because in a situation a few restaurants which cannot process nuances details so well everything's become simplified so what is really important is to rehearse. the procedures rehearse responses and this is what 1st responders do people people who are fine fighters or. medical personnel. uniformed services they just print. the procedures the practice responses and recrossed them

when they are not right so something response is maybe they are become almost automatic. or we're saying that yesterday in bad times actually. emotions take over and we don't we're not like able to think rationally would that explain why. people are rushing into grocery stores and just stuck it out so much trust and but wait and rights and toilet paper and you know that way too much it's not press 3 months probably for 3 years but you still morning does that explain is there a. is it i'm just wondering is there any way to change the basic workings of our stressed brains well you know it is hard because as you said it's irrational it's emotional and if you know it if you are informed won't get some supplies for 2 or 3 weeks then you have part of your of your mind was to think well what about what if

it's longer. so what if i were if i get supplies for additional 3 so this is kind of hard to say or to stop this type of thinking because you want to increase your safety increase your chances of survival now. what it is really for you to asians like this is when you have when you getting food into information and information is you know with whatever other us it's transparent the communication has to be simple and i'm not talking about the kitchen by the old or just by the press knowledge or who are in a position cordon it is emergency action so if you know yes nice to get supplies for 2 weeks then we will secure that there will be another another delivery to local stores so i feel like in this fear factor. good and bad role is played by the media because i mean we couldn't imagine being

without the information and you know media worldwide are now working their socks up to give the public all possible information about how it might be any addict i mean knowledge is power but i manage her hearing all the time about it is making me even more scared so like in op start of like deciding i'm going to watch news once a day because it's not possible what's your take is having media coverage a curse or a blessing in this kind of situation. well you know you you're a media person so you know this reality better than i do but i would just start with the question do media have their internal guidelines how to report in the case of a disaster or emergency. this is a question to your knowledge do media have these kind of got guidelines do you mean i don't know that anyone could have guidelines on a virus that we don't really know much about i mean the only guy that would try to

work not from office but from home and that's what we're doing but everything else really just guided by our own fears and questions that we are taste with right now like media is kind of like everyone else. but let's let's imagine you know probably in many institutions people who have a fire drills you know once in awhile there's a fire drill so people know which way they should exit the building where they should wait outside of the building their procedures and i think that communication is also such a part of a powerful tool and part of dimensional real life that doesn't make sense to crash clean press or just how we communicate 1st you need to know the communications should be simple and should be consistent if if you are searching for different sources of information then there could be contradictions and you know on one side there is. there is there is. i would say the great advantage that. that

people have in searching from different sources of information but. when we. when we're dealing with a disaster of that kind of that dimension. i would say that media should act responsibly so some information should be in a verified before they are sure it would be with the public and we've been talking about fake news right now because it's fake news in general has become a huge problem in a recent years but especially in times of local programming. this is something that sort of becomes 10 times more inflated in terms of importance white should be done ever well you know i would say i wouldn't blame you. i wouldn't blame a media for everything there's something right. there because i blame the media for everything we just kind of attributing a superpower to the media but but there is

a challenge for for each individual truly shoes and there are sources of information and these things are probably learned from the from our child how to look for information how to verbs are in essence a marriage yes i could not take a short break right now i will come back we'll continue talking on how fear affects our lives and immune system stay with us. your government and our government and all the other major governments of the world know what's going to happen and when it's going to. but they haven't told you and

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should cook all 31 was do you do the request. and we're back with psychiatrist a neuroscientist yet talking about fear for her during the global condemning. can i ask you something i completely understand about parents on your information you know sticking to the true sort of journalistic guidelines that should be working whether it's endemic or not i'm talking about like the old world rule of

worldwide media no matter what country is that what ratings what brings ratings are bad news you know whatever gleeks greens were ratings like if you look at the media coverage well why i mean i have not seen one report story feature on a person who has already gotten well gotten infected and then gotten well all i see these people getting sick people dying and it sort of i feel almost like the regular media logic fits into this collective hysteria. well. to some extent yes probably. depends what the motivation is the motivation is to increase your audience so desperately. sharing information that is scary. will increase our audience white because. under threat already tension is bias

to scare information we want to know about that more so we'll be even after the searching for this information what else happened how many people died who were well. what are other. health risk factors the credits bows you to to make a better outcome if you. mind if i am so we have this natural bias. but. you know this is kind of the question for other people for media people. are we acting now to increase our ratings or increase our audience or we want to give. our time. to experts that's will inform people. how to how to process information or what information is relevant to the process is a very important part you just mentioned because when you're under very heavy

stress how do you tell a rumor from the real facts. you might have difficulty you may have difficulty definitely if you can do it if you train yourself before to do it which means if you are really. conscious. need your consumer account conscious news consumers so if you if you learn before when you have a 2nd set of sources of information and you want to verify that so you you want to know what to do it is hard to learn it when you're under stress so i agree with you if you are under stress then it's easy to be rational but it's also easy to manipulate. who are under the influence of intense emotion so as a psych hatcheries could jeopardize what he did better in this time of global pandemic or everyone's under stress everyone's fearful media coverage is extensive

but mostly it's scary i mean when you turn on t.v. it's real it's there but it's gary. ritchie you advice to isolate ourselves from the media maybe not watch t.v. and go on facebook and your tweets all the time you know which with news is like real flu you know you need to have some news you need to have something from asian you know i think the total isolation won't be helpful because you will not learn about washing your hands or you will not learn about enough with the same just nonsense. the question is more like. how to choose the sources of your information and how much of this information you need i do i do i do think that for most people that's missing for many people it does make sense to limit. this flow of information just focus more mostly

on reliable sources of information and i would cite experts like. health experts that. there are trained and that have knowledge and if if somebody is just. getting a lot of news exposure but there is no. expert source then i would probably say that this person may be at risk of not. making best choices so talking from a psychiatric quite a few one more time we humans are such social animals how does being isolated for one another person actually long time i'm defined period actually inspect our psyche. well i would say any change any change may cause the stress that some people who. refuse to be isolated they may not be so much a 30 by by the situation as there's not there's no significant change in the routine

however for most people who are some kind of connect then it might be. it's also stress and that's neatly. it is a device to maintain connections i observe that many people now when they are in isolation they spend their homes reach out to their family members or to their friends that they had been in touch with so there are also some positive aspects and that people know that you need to keep a distance but you need to stay connected. i think many people naturally do it without any guidance without any in advice because you find safety in your connection so so this is not. probably most people who cope without will find a way to stay connected and acknowledge you could be helpful here. for some people

that could be more stressful so then i would recommend doing a think about you know maybe this is. this is a good idea to schedule some phone calls or some time online special for children who don't go to the schools you know they could be some play time over skype or zoom or you know or any other application to have things casual people who might have some. book clubs you know and share experiences that so that's. i do i do believe in our adaptive skills and kind of survival skills that people fire the way to connect i mean not that i completely agree about always being able to adapt no matter the circumstances and you're right that with found new ways to. speak to people that we haven't spoken in ages and that's a good think as most about being isolated and having

a little free time on your hands but this thing will be all were. you know one day or another some say 2 months some say 6 months it's going to be over right we're going to come out of it and then how are we going to be with each other that's the big question is do you feel like we're going to be slightly more introverted with every day oh by sledding distance even those who are extra rights was an extrovert i love to go out i'm very social but i've adapted. you know in this isolation and i'm not sure how i'm going to be ones i can go out and be social like i used to be do you think we're going to be more extroverted after the thing is over or will we be more caring less selfish than we are today what what are your prognosis that's what i want to know as well it depends there's no i mean i think probably you outlined possible scenarios yes you may this is how experience does change us there

is something. something stressful. it can support our growth like when you sing to your your next revert it will you be an introvert you probably will change your personality but now if if this time there did you staying in confinement in isolation you can kind of use. true explore yourself better then you will know you may share other aspects of yourself with with with other people and so that could be that could be a positive thing. i do think that there will be many people who will be affected because. seriously because this endemic really does not affect each of us in the same way i know more kind of concerned or worried . about. frustrates ponder's. frontline health care

workers because they are. there working under extreme stress you know their chances of exposure. to the violence is higher but at the same time they are under stress when they come home because they don't want to to pass the virus to their family so something that should be kind of mean comfort for you and safety is not i know i have any call he who who works in the e.r. and the hospitals move out from the homes so too to protect their families and i think there is enough of a double so again thanks for probably what you are saying it's exactly what's going to happen for some people it will it's meaning growth but for some other people it may mean. like a long term. i would say burden or or or maybe some interests emotional interests.

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dense room. welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is r.t. u.k. . 685 people die from corona virus in just 24 hours and you read pork life in the u.k. that says prime minister boris johnson himself continues to struggle with corona virus as it emerges britain repeatedly ignored warnings for months testing from the world health organization. health service staff are turned away at testing facilities that's this footage reveals facilities across the country are still empty. shell secretary says communities could allow those through for recovered from the virus to leave isolation but critics claim

a system requiring wide scale testing would be nearly impossible for a country already struggling to test a top we hear from both sides of the debate. on the coronavirus pandemic reaches migrant counts in france as refugees to flee across the english channel and charities warn of a humanitarian disaster but those already in the u.k. could be left destitute by cutbacks in simple. welcome to r.t. u.k. $684.00 people have died from corona virus in the past 24 hours taking the total u.k. death toll to streets $1605.00 that's as prime minister boris johnson continues his own self isolation with the virus as it's revealed number 10 ignored warnings to prepare for mass testing we're in this i'm not joined by r.t. you case either reeses so on many levels

a key day for the health service absolutely and it just goes to show those numbers the strain the health services on that because we've seen yet again the biggest rise in the number of deaths from at those who have tested positive for cause at 19 in the 24 hour period the. death toll is now 3605 the 1000 number of cases 38168 that's almost a 10 percent death rate and those latest numbers push the ukase death figures past those of china where this virus is thought to move originated in also iran one of the other countries initially very badly hit by this virus and so the u.k. really now is struggling to get a hold of the situation of prime minister barak's johnson he to posit one of those who tested positive for covert dieting he's been soft isolating continues to do so because according to downing street he's still showing symptoms but he did take the opportunity to record a message to the nation and implore people not to go out this weekend despite the

fact that the weather forecast say the weather is going to be sunny and hot so we're working the whole time on our program to defeat the virus you have seen the big announcement yesterday about $100000.00 tests per day by the end of the month and i just want to say one crucial thing one quick thing to everybody thinking about this weekend and what maybe some fine mean weather because i reckon a lot of people will be starting to think that this is going on for quite a long time and they would rather be getting out there and particular if they've got you've got kids in the household everybody may be getting a bit stir crazy maybe just a temptation to get. out and start to break the regulations and i just urge you not to do that please please stick with the guidance. now the government have come under pressure

because of the issue of testing in accusations that they haven't tested enough and that certainly would seem to be the case when compared to other european countries germany for example are currently testing up to half a 1000000 people a week the u.k. number still some way short of that although ministers do say that they intend to get up to 25000 tests today and then eventually 100000 tests a day but it's emerged that the government while warned previously by the world health organization that they need to step up testing community testing not just of any just stuff but members of the public and according to those reports the government to want that advice because they didn't anticipate this type of a coded 19 outbreak instead thinking that it was more likely there would be a nother influenza outbreak and those types of viruses and outbreaks don't require this type of testing we're testing aside the nice i mean are some of the other

preparations going to plan there in the u.k. or the government have been accused of dragging their feet when it comes to their preparations but those are now picking up pace the xcel center in east london has been converted to a hospital that's taking just 9 days with the help of members of the military and it's now ready to take up to 4000 potential patients who need to be treated there and that will be a relief not just to members of the public but also to the hospitals in and around london other currently struggling and buckling under the sheer weight of numbers of people that they're having to treat and we know in addition to the prime minister the prince of wales prince charles he too was tested or tested positive for coded 1000 last week he's been one of those who's been record another another one his record of the message was carrying out the opening of that hospital you via video

link and he says that he is one of the lucky ones because he. is mild in that he hasn't been struck down in the same way that we've seen many others and also the queen she's expected to record a video message to the nation and that message will be broadcast this sunday coming on television around the country and they are there to boost morale isn't a said thank you very much and a thinking when we were health service workers being rejected from drives through testing facilities reportedly for not having an appointment currently around 2000 members of the national health service staff have been screened for the disease out of hof a 1000000 front line workers meanwhile similar facilities across the country have been left virtually empty despite government promises to sharply increase testing facilities in london and southeast england were all reported to be empty at 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. or frontline dr sutton either well told me that the u.k. is well behind the global curve on testing testing it would have been great if we

started it a lot earlier like south korea and managed to traced contacts and stopped it but we are where we are and i think the government now has to read a line seriousness of the condition is trying its best. to act. and do the testing and it's not in total fail proof method and so to rest resources are required like specialists and setting and equipment did we were hearing though that the centers are there the testing centers the n.h.s. staff but they're empty well people using them. i think they're probably if only just recently been set up and they aren't aware of them as yet they aren't aware of where to go for testing. haven't been referred don't have the

appointment there are various probably failings. that you know it's all new to everybody and it just probably hasn't been orchestrated as well as it should have been in day that 70 nightingale hospital that is a step forward it is a positive step forward is taken 9 days to be set up so if we can do a hospital in one day surely we can do testing and procurement as well can't wait. it as i said earlier you would hope so but at the same time testing does require specialist equipment and specialist abilities of the star who will be doing that testing so that all techs takes time to set up. the u.k. government is considering issuing immunity certificates for those who've recovered from the virus speaking at the government's daily press briefing health secretary

matt hancock said the move could release these people from a lot earlier than the rest of the u.k. we are looking at an immunity certificate how we can how how people who are not have have the disease have got the antibodies and therefore have immunity can show that and so get back as much as normal to as much as possible to normal life. well hancock said the documents could be issued once antibody tests which determine whether a person has had the virus are developed and rolled out german authorities are looking into a similar permit scheme while those hoping to enter kuwait or thailand require medical certificates proving they don't have the disease but critics on testing the whole population would be time consuming expensive and could lead to a false sense of security if the virus mutates and we infect the population

meanwhile number 10 said it was monitoring developments in other countries and was always willing to adopt useful ideas. this is something which has been discussed in other countries we have always said that we are watching closely what other countries are doing and we will always look to learn from our ideas which could be helpful. so are they said if it is an important step forward or red herring want to debate this i'm joined by liberal democrat politician helen belcher and loyally i get off thank you very much indeed for joining us is off today well if i could start with you i mean consider if it gets a game changer in helping us get back to normal i can't stand why it's being proposed but there are 2 aspects to this the 1st is the practicality of doing it with still any testing 10000 people a day for the virus there is no antibody test that is functional which has been currently developed and we've got 66000000 people in the country to try and test to give certificates for and naturally some of them will require retesting so the

practicalities of this are impossible and also you then have the unintended consequence is so it is quite possible that employers for example will turn around and say well actually you must have a valid antibody test we also don't know whether immunity is perpetual or whether it expires whether the antibodies that people generate when they fight the disease are the same so what with it might be many different kinds of antibodies and how distinct are those antibodies from other antibodies things that are common you know very very bright is a common cold about a 3rd of what we think is the common cold a caused by other the types of corona virus well they can be how do you respond to that. well i think the practicalities are difficult no one claimed no one claim is going to be easy but it can be managed you know germany has implemented a system that which we are attempting to model and i think what we call here is underestimate the economic damage of the entire population being on lockdown you

know we're seeing a 1000000 new claims for social security or you equivalent in this country going in suggesting people are either losing their jobs feel it or they're about to lose their jobs people are barely able to get by and the government can only underwrite the wages of the entire population for so long it's absolutely vital that we start to see this. down as the absolute catastrophe that it is this is going to end lives it's going to rip up people's businesses it's going to rip up people's jobs it's going to end the employment of millions and millions of people it's going to have untold impact on people's mental health people's well being in fact even the people we're trying to protect those who are vulnerable over 70 and cetera you know these are the people who arguably suffer the most from the lockdown because they're living often in isolation cut off from any help from their families the longer this goes on the more catastrophic the impact is going to be so we have to explore absolutely any avenue we can which will allow people to return to work where

possible now of course the government is not going to allow any system of testing that is uncertain or unsure you know we've heard time and time again that chief medical officer say that there's only one thing worse than no tests at all and that's a bad test we can be absolutely certain that hancock is not anticipating introducing a system of testing which is insufficient but if we can get to a place where we let people return to work if they have the necessary antibodies if that is scientifically possible then in principle it's something we absolutely have to support and i think that the real danger we have at the moment is that we are any aspect of uncertainty about this virus and we know there is significant uncertainty about all aspects of this virus is a novel virus after all but we can't allow that uncertainty to lull us into a state of complete inertia well you cannot say what i say that let me as i respond to that you can come in there is there are the economic considerations are there are also mental health issues in the fact that people do need some semblance of

normality and there's always going to be a risk of whatever we start to implement no matter how is it that yes there is another part of the government's strategy i think is to try and make sure that we flatten the curve as much as possible but we're trying to do that at the moment without adequate testing a tool and so i would much rather government focused on getting the current tests out to everybody. he needs them you just said there are about half a 1000000 people who worked in the n.h.s. well that's 50 days just a test of the current rate of testing everybody who works in the n.h.s. so we just don't have the capability and i would much rather that they concentrate on getting the tests out and p.p.p. out to the people who need it which is not just n.h.s. workers it's a whole bunch of other people including social care workers possibly people on other front line jobs like supermarkets and so on and we need to concentrate on get solving that problem 1st rather than trying to design pie in the sky schemes around something that doesn't even exist yet well it could mean exactly do you trust the government to roll these out when you can't get its act together on testing front

line stuff as helen says in the 1st place well i think it goes without saying that frontline n.h.s. staff should be 1st in the queue when it comes to these tests that's always been the government's approach and what is anticipated by mankind pockets of upping the number of tests that are being done every day we're not talking about $100000.00 tests a day by the end of april so we're talking about ramping up practical capability protesting which is obviously going to be required and i don't disagree that obviously p.p. is an absolute significant priority but we also have to recognise the getting people back to work as a priority i think one of the problems with the government messaging so far has been not giving people a sense of the way out of this or a sense that there is a route out of this it's all very well to put people in quarantine and in lockdown in an attempt to flatten the curve but that itself raises own questions you know how flat will this curve need to be before we accept that the risks posed by the virus are outweighed by the risks of keeping people in quarantine there has been absolutely no modeling of the health and economic impact of this lock down well

different lines of locked down as what we're living with in the moment is a sort of indefinite state where people have no idea when they're going to get back to work that level of uncertainty is killing british business and it stands to do a lot more damage in the virus itself well as i say helen is the bit expensive thing today won't it he said to test so many people to. time consuming as he said you could you end up with a 2 tier society of those who could afford the test and those who couldn't hear but i mean implementing this list scheme is also probably going to end up with a 2 tier society because people who are supposedly safe to work with the the certificate and those who are not so what does that do does that then prompt people to go out and seek to be infected so you know that this isn't as a sort of a straightforward solution yes there are economic problems obviously you see it all around you talked again about the 1000000 people going for universal credit this is a tragedy it's a huge tragedy but what we need to do is we need to concentrate on on containing

the virus as much as possible and that's what places like japan china south korea have all tried to do and seem to be succeeding at so that that seems to me to be the most obvious short term solution and if the last word from you had to respond to that very quickly if you don't mind but that's exactly what it is it's a short term solution and it's a short term rest solution we need to start looking beyond the short term because this curve will be flattened and you know we will hopefully start to see a slow in the rate of infections but the question has to then be asked what then and i think my hancock's proposal is a welcome step in the right direction towards getting people back to normal life which has to be now a priority data both sides of the argument there helen bell tell it get us many thanks for joining us thank you thanks. now let's take a look at how the u.k.'s home nations are responding to the coronavirus outbreak the welsh government says can't companies will be legally obliged to keep employees 2 metres apart starting from early next week while scottish 1st minister nicola

sturgeon says there's no evidence whatsoever the virus will peak in scotland in a week's time it comes as police scotland issue over $140.00 penalties to those ignoring lock down rules on social distancing. and on thursday the global figures reached a grim milestone with the number of confirmed worldwide cases of coronavirus so passing the 1000000 mark over 55000 have died in connection with the a worse while more than 220000 have recovered the u.s. has the highest number of confirmed cases making up almost a quarter of global cases while spain has recorded the 1st fall in its daily death toll since the end of march. coming up after the break. the pandemic reaches french migrant camp says refugees flee to the u.k. but support here has also been cut following the outbreak.

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virus was confirmed there that's of the u.k.'s border forces bringing ashore freeing migrants near the u.k.'s don't for port it's not clear how many boats have been intercepted but the founder of the charity care for kelly has urged the government to take swift action they have to do something now they have to get the the ability to isolate and separate up because everybody in the camps is going to have it it's literally a humanitarian disaster something has to be done now we walk campaigners warned that hundreds of refugees may have been left without any support during the pandemic home office policy says asylum seekers can get a place in shared accommodation and 37 pounds a week but this ceases after 28 days which means claimants must find a job housing or apply for benefits but critics say this is particularly hard to do during the corona virus outbreak when the country is in lockdown campaigners warn such measures have already forced refugees to become homeless in response the home

office announced people with granted status won't be evicted from their accommodation for the next 3 months. the safety and health of people in our accommodation and the communities in which they live is of the utmost importance asylum seekers who would normally no longer be eligible for free accommodation or financial payments because their claim has been visible ved will continue to receive support for the next 3 months we will continue to adjust our processes and procedures where necessary and appropriate including reinstating support on a case by case basis. human rights lawyer schwaben khan told me we must take all migrants doing the virus crisis a risk a knock on effect on the rest of society because you know how since tens of thousands of people there and in other counts and greece other countries where these people are they're obviously i mean they have accommodation they have a roof over their head if you can call it out and that seems to be the extent of

their support and assistance that they receive and particularly in this situation now we just cannot not even if we don't necessarily treat them under particularly or humane rate or think that we necessarily need to be looking not providing them with anything in particular but at least for the safety of the community their psyche the public in general we just cannot allow you know as these counts and other similar situation that we called you know petri dishes on us in cuba ages where you know definitely in the virus will reach and once it does it will just break and there are tens of thousands of these people who will then be exposed to it so i think all the welfare benefit of the whole community something has to be done or trouble is going to say i mean if if more people are trying to flee here that they're not likely to be safe here either either because we have coronavirus here. you know exactly of course i think you know i mean of course that is something that your god he's there and here now at the site and looking into and

obviously we have this situation particularly from france we don't generally taken to you that you know although they have these towns but it's fine if someone tries to cross the channel somehow make their way into bridgetown and then it's for the british authorities to process them and treat them according to british or human rights law but i think now is that i when governments authorities on both sides of the channel and others look clearly authorities as well need to be taking a more humane and more sensible approach to best. as the u.k. continues its lock down at the end of the 2nd week many more are moving their entire lives online and as our u.k. shabda ever stashed it discovers there are many seeking to exploit the crisis. the corona virus pandemic and the u.k. locked down together mean a lot of scared people cooped up at home relying on the internet like never before news health advice shopping and communication are all now online and that's the perfect environment for fraudsters cyber criminals are capitalizing on covert 19

cashing in on fare with fake cures posted on social media and sending scams directly to your e-mail inbox honey and even drink a bill silver mungo's advertises virus treatments for sale on facebook marketplace don't be fooled by the promises make your immune system stronger and help protect against the disease there's no proof any of them walk even fake test kits were listed for 65 pounds before they were removed with the site saying it would ban sellers making health all medical claims related to the corona virus is not just social media though the banking industry has warned of a surge in so-called smiting scams when hackers impersonate government departments or banks to get money or personal information they might be offering cash related to the government bailout or say you've been fined for not following the lockdown rules don't fall for them the metropolitan police report a 400 percent increase in scams due to coronavirus related fraud and total losses

reaching over $970000.00 pounds so far and if you're tempted to use your time online to chat with those friends you're not allowed to meet up with you also need to be aware you might have heard of house party a popular video calling up this quickly made a viral comeback during this lockdown the app lets friends and family make video calls play games and hang out in a virtual house party but terrified uses and now deleting over things that has been compromised large numbers of users are reporting that they've had spotify pay pal and bank accounts hacked after downloading the app definitely delete that house party it's talk to me and sign me up 10 pounds a month to see. i think old only fines whatever that is be careful online folks the jacked up says though it ensures all accounts a safe all house party accounts are safe the service is secure has never been compromised and doesn't collect passwords for other sites and its owners deny

they've been hacked we found no evidence to suggest a link between house party and the compromises of other unrelated accounts as a general rule we suggest all users choose strong passwords when creating online accounts on any platform but however you are using the internet to keep occupied entertained and in the loop make sure you do it with caution as now is the time to be vigilant not just with your physical health but with your safety online too shy to edwards daschle r.t. u.k. . and finally people up and down the country have come up with creative ways to keep the party going despite the nationwide lockdown with some socially distant fun .

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