i'm afshin rattansi and we're going underground amid the continuing coronavirus pandemic as the un's call for a global cease fire to fight the virus appears to go unheard on the battlefields of libya yemen and syria coming up in the show ahead of the w h o's world health of a going underground speaks exclusively to the 8 secretary general of the united nations ban ki moon about tackling global humanitarian crises in the time of coronavirus and what the rest of the world can learn from south korea plus can they coronavirus catalyze climate cooperation all the civil coming up in today's special

episode of going underground but 1st let's go straight to today's guest the 8 secretary general of the united nations ban ki-moon who was secretary general during the 2013 to 2016 evelyn epidemic he joins me via skype from seoul thank you so much of a coming on burn so before we get to the rest of the world how are you personally dealing with the quarantine and what advice would you in the center for global citizens that you had were advice would you give to people watching all around the world today are some group of community crappers brenda spread nor can our congress in 1000 and this very timely. effect on the importance or i will also has our prime minister helen and headed toward whole communities and toward now human so i knew how the my business as a former as assessed 2nd general but more so doing in many. different capacities.

detected shellshocked. as well as channel on the planet human scent of. a citizens. infection i've been watching that many grow where he does including to reach. director jenna ted ted morse the director has praised the right turn the national roar on not just in disapproval hence a crisis but in many international crises around the war and jay my 10 you know are as a 2nd generation on the rachel walked to combat tremont the united nations such as h one n one in 2009 and 2014 inboards cases the united nations my senate and director general. exhibit it. and they cross in the incredible leadership role member states

and a criminal community in headcount helping us overcome now days and days of great poverty has the challenges to corporation and sort of mary. can i just say of course you're applauding the w.h.o. do you think they learned to love the lessons when you it was u.s. equity general who seemed to step in over eveleigh when it hit guinea liberia and sierra leone because the w.h.o. did not respond as well as it might of. at that time at that time we had i can tell you don that we had met tom governors. girl want to come on a sit down and now our while or each and every country has been taking their own initiative and the whatever they could do in their own countries and went at that time united nations walked a break or see our red. to have

a group want to come on as a system we walk then of course you may do more to man can the european union banks and the region and african demand on banks african union so there was a much much a creusa accordion issue in derry ghana disses so one thing which i can tell you that we are missing at this time and. combating corner of my us all climate change we must. tread on in partnership a key factor apparent beads of korea's success this time around with coronavirus is that it made big mistakes over the moon outbreak do you think that's one reason why south korea has been so successful there's not even a lockdown in south korea now this time i believe that my country in a pub or of korea has done remarkably well. the because.

she purred and government i think we had no walking very very closely. people had. trust and confidence in what government has been doing in the 1st time or. a message testing. for any potential. keeper divorcing south korean government give when you know what they had forced the cases and we ask the many industries to manufacture. testing kits testing kits i think is that they are now currently acing at least around a 100000 testing kits even when you may remember that to present to the united states though even. informing the government that people are very transparent away

a very transparent drain and the testing has been done at least a war then 1000 people on the day who walks through our drive through this has been able. only isolation of. a test in post of digits in the risk of a spreading like other countries south korea has also developed these all. horror now virus a softer way out and walleye an applications to help them it is essential contact tracing efforts they have been taking all amazingly effective and tracing efforts so that once one who once a somebody is attested then we've been tracing who who are to people who are on disk to person had been contacted and then had to leave. the number of the people are now that we're about 9000 some cases but the number mortality

is 160. next hour it just has been quite effective then mr public has accepted and trusted a major us the current government has been taking. one can assume that distrust the comes from the fact that institutions are tipping the public for informed 24 hours on the day and asking for their corporation and or so korean government ships the public are stated that the mass messaging about day and numbers and social distancing the minus etc etc don't care and then use why are they even so i am not in a gov service i have been visiting many the trestles from my post. friends who are in government the who when dealing with this some european countries combined to

some support and i know how he could check with britain because or over the world health organization has said that we must test test test as you just said the trumpet ministration has called out to britain's response as being i think goal jumps at a one point catastrophic what are the w a h o o. boss ted ross saddam do does he have to be very diplomatic when he sees a country like britain not new testing in fact as of this week there was a limit on a 15 percent on testing of n.h.s. frontline staff here in britain. i can understand and appreciate the difficulties and the sometimes not where oh how nice at the beginning of this. mass a spread of a car or a virus i can understand your dis challenging a situation i'm in and been contacted by any british government but.

i hope that the you know 10 unions a day should have a point you need to wait around until he opened union now what i am doing a concern is that each and every government i do in on their own initiatives you know much much cortin ation each other. up of course and i understand that you are so necessary to knock down each and out of the countries but sometimes that my or source end up on the coordinate it according to the addressing this virus solutions but where under lockdown here in london despite the there being some doubts about the efficacy of it the world health organization also said that china reacted very well to the outbreak of the corona

virus but here in britain we're hearing briefings from number 10 downing street that china faces a reckoning after this coronavirus crisis and it may be considered a pariah state over its handling why do you think there seems to be animosity being creative geopolitically out of coronavirus especially coming out of london or as he's coming out of washington against venezuela. at this time. i'm i don't think in that kind of a sitting animosities saw criticizing some countries like this may. be headed for of course at the beginning of this crisis and china and even my country korea have been criticised. for not having and being more of a farmer and. a correct way and but as time went by and the way

the china and the south korean government have been doing making some progress and effective and taking my country it has been effective and as you may know a more than 100 countries have been. attacking. the south korean government saw the necessary information. and this is what is necessary it is them you have you know that you know it's that britain is going to like that south korea i'm not sure because i'm not in the government but as i understand in the media that some would then 100 countries have a big press it information and the sharing didn't know how and or so more than a 100 countries the press it to have some cohesion of health care. it's

a particularly at test implants and the masks and this is what is necessary to stand and this should be clear though and much cross up accordion ition and support between and among the countries now less in the country however powerful and resourceful may be like you see in the case of the united states i think the number all 3 case is as innocent. number of death in the united states in eternity and spain is. not understand the rent and more to source for the worst of the top 2 countries i even. have you made a pass at just the us that doesn't respect any border ethnicity. a raise or countries therefore is a very important that we share now we are living in a robot a commutation media they're taught directly law and the race for sharing

experiences and morehouse yet someone made the point that viruses can't communicate between themselves but humans can that's where we have the edge on the virus bank ki-moon i'll stop you there more from the former un secretary general after this break. if you can't win every single time eventually some workers have to participate in the american economy the american economy is not just by him for kleptocrats it's not by and for terrorists like any type there's labor involved people who work with people our families our values of the american history that like a state that has to be respected at some point you simply can't throw the keys to a group of wall street charlatans and give them 6789 trillion dollars and expect them to whip up something that's not outright act of terrorism.

i can't show you mine but i'm going to teach you must do or in 9093 this was sentenced to death. they could charged with capital murder even though he didn't have the gun didn't pull the trigger didn't intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for the week with the scent of a $23.00. i doubt that it deserved to be but it added to be. confined within 4 gray walls he cites using hot can to help him to leave dense room. welcome back i'm still here with former u.n. secretary general ban ki moon you don't understand then that while chinese doctors have been arriving here in britain cuban doctors of course in italy and spain

russian military planes arriving in new york downing street here there are people in britain saying china must be punished with the withdrawal of internet contracts after the coronavirus crisis is over and people in the u.k. in the corridors of power suggesting that china is exploiting coronavirus for economic game. what i can tell you at this time instead pointing fingers to any other country like china does that hadn't. helped for. we are living in a globalized who are in every 2nd i think you can see everything and what is happening in one country how is that transformative development of what transportation communication aim for mission i think we're living in a slower than it are small or worn don't know what is happening in china korea great britain or united states is not just should be treated as living in

a slower smaller award no coke is actually necessary that the we have to 40 program that's what i have experienced and why i'm walking at the united nations that's what i have been emphasizing or to the times is a very easy to a blame somebody but to putting somebody down we should do what we can do a 1st and a particular any as a home or 2nd generation i am or so a concern that none which talk is not much is being talked about by big countries like iraq gens and americans that there was. a support tool grow by so who do not have much of capacity and the source is now wind and not dissent has managed to have a 2 trillion dollars at that time i hope that addition to have been some

consideration to provide this global fund to full sounds you know once. people are in the southern and southern warrant and that's what the girl what he does she the nia means you know all sun even the bare minimum to survive is missing then our own the means. as steamy and you can want to stop the violence this is what many of the countries really in need be need as such we need to grow up on a committee to track consorted narrative even in times of great need we must remember more industry than the well written arguably does help the global south by exporting weapons how important is the u.n. charter at this particular time only this week saudi arabia bombed yemen the poorest country in the middle east facing a groan a virus

a pandemic israel bombed syria how important is the un charter at this particular time because those are seen by many to be arguable violations of the un charter. you may remember are. macia 23 in fine them a crack team in. just a 2nd general do not nations on turnover terror has allowed us an option and cruel marcy's. progress is an agenda time of but to continue now isn't just to senses that they are now one trying to find and keep unity in does one point out a country such as a yemen or syria and look at the so many millions of their messages these countries have some of them or some viral people are leaving in them gentle it is essential and that shouldn't have an 8 can get to the people who need even now one of the

most and the 1st and foremost them must stop fighting. well after the secretary general made those remarks the trumpet ministration has now ordered warships to the coast of venezuela what about sanctions because donald trump ruled out any relief from sanctions for say iran we had the un special rapporteur on this program it was just syria said sanctions are usually illegal do you agree with what the u.n. is saying in geneva or that the e.u. the u.s. say they must stop sanctions on countries like iran cuba obviously there's eggs in the china during this pandemic and there are some conscious go on and sanctioned by his important to the u.n. security council a cam. and syria and iran and north korea and then in july. at this plan why only the specter sanctions important i disagree because in at the

same town you would be. cut for security council to consider are read out on a case by case is take out. our next 10 years or sanctions fortunate 10 men and horses you said that one of the successes in south korea has been the importance seen by the government for transparency transparency with the public how important is article 19 of the un charter u.k. authorities here are threatening all the time foreign owned television stations do you think transparency in article 19 is even more important during this crisis. addressing this kind of a rollover. pandemic chases at a says extending porton and that people should be important.

every 2nd every minute every minute minute 2nd what is necessary for them to do what governments are doing their fall each and every citizen and they can take. measure us whatever india own projection but the discussion of a group or pandemic should be addressed at the group event intermissions no matter who are already said this you know what transparent way transparent way because obviously. it claims here in britain the china russia there are countries deliberately creating fake news and this is a big problem this is a bigger problem maybe than the pandemic the new york times as china is publicly spreading disinformation. i am not in a position to make any such comment on such issues which and that the director had given him the. juno have faith in us whatever

a nabi nice dad tortellini you know are does not help anything and therefore there should be at vary. in the media. release of the. correct information so that she preferred citizen they themselves could a take the necessary major us in the. past and the same time in a broad up broader sense it is the governments and community leaders and grover needs us who shouldn't take the lead in and lessing and fighting the 19. obviously it is the most vulnerable that are going to be affected by corona virus you mention refugees we're talking on this program about hospital porters and cleaners why do you think the most vulnerable will be the should be the priority join the coronavirus crisis because they believe in conditions for nettie just

as you might have been to many netaji temps they are living in a very compact and dennis's every house you know are we are on the advising citizen to have a social distance a social distance at least one or 2 meters away from each other and meant that as soon as you may go to a met attempts nannying millions of people are living in a very compact area without much hostility this person or even hygiene to her solidities and therefore it is much easier much of the more power over for them to that contract to a man is a virus the reason why they're refugees at all for me and talked about in terms of poverty creating wars do you think when this is all over we're going to have to look again at equality and policies like the i.m.f.

requirement to privatized health care systems in return for loans in the areas where now wars of caused all these refugees to mount the numbers of the mounting in the hands. that is why dennis i am origin girl really does to establish and grow but it's fun for small girls are south and pay more attention to them for divorce more survivor are among the wrong peeper just violently britain is out to call off its next round of climate global climate summit the pope summit what can we learn from coronavirus about the importance of say the green new deal of history rejected by the white house but i understand that you've done a lot of work on promoting the idea of green new deals all around the world. there is clearly. very. crowe's. relationship big

change in the address in. action climate change as an s. addressing a pandemic crisis at this than i am what i'm concern is that. this pandemic crises i'm afraid that. the efforts and the passion and. climate. crisis at this time may be undermined to maybe. downplay them by the people around award what is important at this time and that through and. agreeing you deano out of the calling to paris climate change we must take action to point history name as you know i as a lord growing temperature is a heating up there is a much much more and more possibility of this kind of

a group of viruses pandemics may happen because of demi on want it away or mix of all in just pathogens among. a natural conditions and defoe it is some very important at this time learning from this crisis we must take. action to address a climate crisis before it is true but the fossil fuel companies that have a long doubted the existence of climate change their bosses were in the white house the other day none of them is saying there is any evidence whatsoever that climate change contributes to pandemics. i'm going to urging as you know penn union has announced it is green day. by at the latest a buy 2050 or indies force a few as. the trance transformed into. energy

the no one energy in their event across the many european countries where morning are now said that by trying to. sort of 510 to 40 or by 10 to 15. all european countries you know unions country except korean have committed to be a force of sure if continent by the time i'm also urging many many countries other than the european countries to do that endeavor that time or so. the government don't like to state to concede on the turn to describe the genuine women as soon as possible or this isn't a critical and more of a sponsor reaching as. their most important resource for and powerful countries as you may remember it was the united states and china. you know i'm lucky to get

over the united states and now the united nations. member state too lenient bring this climate change we went through a successful conclusion now that it is already 50 up to the decision since the climate change and also a sentiment that among hoards is a. in some good lessons which we have to learn from this a. you know a pandemic a crisis that we need to eat dessert much much more effort on a much much. speed-o. way at 200 s. climate crisis over u.n. secretary general thank you. the doctor much of the show will be back on monday for the day the usa back. into syria if you have water wash your

hands keep safe and join me on the ground by following us from you tube facebook and instagram. you can't win every single time eventually some workers have to pay down the american economy the american economy is not just buying for. terrorists there's labor involved people who work with people our families our values are american. that has to be respected at some point you simply can't. give them 6789 trillion dollars and expect them to do something that's not. an act of terrorism. in.

the headlines this 4th of april he still warning french authorities tell people tend to the travel next week that the coronavirus is not a holiday as medical staff say this still woefully ill equipped. here's what our government has given us to maintain as you can see we need a full range of necessary medical equipment to be actually don't have to provide sufficient medical help. please from hard hit towns in ecuador as the bodies of corona virus victims have been left on deserted streets because health services with. the oil markets rubbish by the.