i'm afshin rattansi and we're going underground amid the continuing coronavirus pandemic as the un's call for a global cease fire to fight the virus appears to go unheard on the battlefields of libya yemen and syria coming up in the show ahead of the w h o's world health of a going underground speaks exclusively to the 8 secretary general of the united nations ban ki moon about tackling global humanitarian crises in the time of coronavirus and what the rest of the world can learn from south korea plus can they coronavirus catalyze climate cooperation all the support coming up in today's special episode of going underground but 1st let's go straight to today's guest the

8 secretary general of the united nations ban ki moon who was secretary general during the 2013 to 2016 evelyn epidemic he joins me via skype from seoul thank you so much of a coming on burn so before we get to the rest of the world how are you personally dealing with the quarantine and what advice would you in the center for global citizens that you had were advice would you give to people watching all around the world today are going to community crappers render spread nor can our congress in 1000 in this very timely remove the effect on the importance or i will alter has our prime minister headed and headed toward whole communities and toward now you want so i knew how the my business as a former as assessed 2nd general but more so doing in many different capacities.

dept a chair of g.l. does as well as channel on the planet human scent of. citizens and in fact i've been watching that to many what he does including to reach. director jenna ted ted morse the dumb rachel has pranged up by turn the national roar on not just in disapproval hence a crisis but in many international crises around the war and jane my 10 you know are as a 2nd generation on the rachel walked to combat tremont the united nations such as h one n one in 20092014 in boards cases the united nations my senate and director general. exhibited it. and they crossed the incredible leadership role member states

and of course what a community it had come helping us overcome and now days and days of great power it has the challenges to corporation and sort of mary. can i just say of course you're applauding the w.h.o. do you think they learned to love the lessons when you it was u.s. equity general who seemed to step in over eveleigh when it hit guinea liberia and sierra leone because the w.h.o. did not respond as well as it might of. at that time at that time we had i can tell you don that we had met tom governors. girl want to come on a sit down and now our while or each and every country has been taking their own initiative and the whatever they could do in their own country and went at that time united nations walked a break or see our red. to have

a group want to come on as a system we walk then of course you may do more to bank and european union banks and the region and african demand on banks african union so there was a much much a cruise are according to should endeavor. desist so one can reach high chantelle and that we are missing at this time and. combating koran by us all climate change we must. tread on in partnership a key factor apparently in south korea success this time around with coronavirus is that it made big mistakes over the moon outbreak do you think that's one reason why south korea has been so successful there's not even a lockdown in south korea now this time i believe that my country in a pub or of korea has done remarkably well. the because. she purred and government i think we had no walking very very closely.

people had. trust and confidence in what government has been doing in the 1st time or. a message testing. for any potential. keeper divorcing south korean government give when you know what they had forced the cases and we ask the many industries too many factions. testing kits testing kits i think they are now currently acing at least around a 100000 testing kits even when you may remember that the present tom has asked it to provide testing kits to the united states though even. informing the government that people are very transparent

way of very transparent training and the testing has been done at least or then 1000 people on the day who walks through or driving through this has been able. to isolate a. test in post of digits in the risk of a spreading like other countries south korea has also developed these all. horror now virus a softer way out and walleye an applications to help them it is essential contact tracing efforts they have been taking on amazingly effective and tracing efforts so that once one who once a somebody is a tested positive then we've been tracing who order people who are does. person to person had been contacted and that really had to reduce the number of

people are now that we have about 9000 some cases but the number mortality is 160. next sorry it has been quite effective then miss the public has accepted it and trust it a major us the current government has been taking. one can assume that just trust the comes from the fact that institutions are tipping the public informed 24 hours on the day and asking for the corporation and or so korean government ships the public are stated that the mass messaging about day and numbers and social distancing the mind us etc etc didn't and then this why are they even so i am not in a gov service i have been visiting many the trestles from my post. friends who are in government the when dealing with this some european countries combined to some

support and i know how he could check with britain because or over the world health organization has said that we must test test test as you just said the trumpet ministration has called out to britain's response as being i think donald trump said at one point catastrophic what are the w a h o o. saddam do does he have to be very diplomatic when he sees a country like britain not new testing in fact as of this week there was a limit on a 15 percent on testing of n.h.s. frontline staff here in britain. i can understand and appreciate the difficulties and the sometimes not where oh how nice at the beginning of this. mass a spread of a car or a virus i can understand your dis changing

a situation i'm in and been contacted by any british government but. i hope that the you know 10 unions patient have a point you need to wait around until he opened union now what i am doing a concern is that each and every government i do in on their own initiatives you know much much cortin ation each other. up of course and i understand that you are so necessary to knock down each and out of the countries but sometimes that my or source end up on the coordinates of according to the addressing this virus solutions but where under lockdown here in london despite the there being some doubts about the efficacy of it the world health

organization also said that china reacted very well to the outbreak of the corona virus but here in britain we're hearing briefings from number 10 downing street that china faces a reckoning after this coronavirus crisis and it may be considered a pariah state over its handling why do you think there seems to be animosity being created geopolitically out of coronavirus especially coming out of london obviously is coming out of washington against venezuela. at this time. i'm i don't think in that kind of a sitting animosities saw criticizing some countries like this may. be headed for of course at the beginning one describes these and china and even my country korea have been criticised. it's one that had been and been more of

a farm and. a correct way and but as time went by and the way the china and south korean government have been doing making some progress and effective at taking my country it has been effective and as you may know a more than 100 countries have been. attacking. the south korean government saw the necessary information. and this is what is necessary it is them you have you know that you know is that britain is going to act that south korea i'm not sure because i'm not in the government but as i understand in the media that some would then 100 countries have of the press it information and the sharing didn't know how and or so more than 100 countries the crescent to have some cohesion of health care. it's

a particularly at test implants and the masks and this is what is necessary and this should be clear though and much cross up according ation and support between and among the countries now less in the country however powerful and resourceful may be like you see in the case of the united states i think the number all cases as a as a lumber again. united states attorney and spain. earn not understand the rent and most to source one of the most of the top 2 countries i even. have you made a pass at just the us doesn't respect any border ethnicities and a raise or countries their whole is a very important that we share and we are living in a robot and coming

a change shouldn't be their top doing a lot of the race for sharing experiences and morehouse yet someone made the point that viruses can't communicate between themselves but humans can that's where we have the edge on the virus banki moon i'll stop you there more from the former u.n. secretary general after this break. you can't win every single time eventually some workers have to participate in the american economy the american economy is not just buying for kleptocrats it's not buying for terrorists like any type there's labor involved people who work with people our families our values of the american history that like a state that has to be respected at some point you simply can't throw the keys to

a group of wall street charlatans and give them 6789 trillion dollars and expect them to whip up something that's not an outright act of all terrorism. your government and our government and all the other major drug. and so the world know what's going to happen and when it's going to. but they haven't told you and they haven't told me they haven't announced. imagine something as big as the earth . is going to cause tidal waves earthquakes volcanoes erupt and it's going to chill . so very for a while right. my great grandfather's. nobody would care about the law or prison so you'd have wallace those should have. a terrible

life between them and the. welcome back i'm still here with former u.n. secretary general ban ki moon you don't understand then that while chinese doctors have been arriving here in britain cuban doctors of course in italy and spain russian military planes arriving in new york downing street here there are people in britain saying china must be punished with the withdrawal of internet contracts off to the grown a virus crisis is over and people in the u.k. in the corridors of power suggesting that china is exploiting coronavirus for economic gain. what i can tell you at this time instead pointing fingers to any other country like china does that hadn't. helped for.

we are living in a globalized to our every 2nd i think you can see everything and what is happening in one country how is that transformative development of what transportation communication information i think we are living in a slower than it are small or worn don't know what is happening in china korea great britain or united states is not just should be treated as living a slower smaller award no coke is actually necessary that the we have to 40 program that's what i have experienced and why i'm walking at the united nations that's what i have been emphasizing or to the times is a very easy to a blame somebody but to putting somebody down we should do what we can do 1st and a particular any as a home or 2nd generation i am or so

a concern that none which talk is not much is being talked about by big countries like iraq gens and the americans that there was looked. at in a supplemental grow by so who do not have much a capacity to sources wind and not to stand has. managed to have a 2 trillion dollars at that time i hope that the addition to have been some consideration to provide this global fund to full sounds you know once. people are in the southern and southern warrant and that's what the growth what itoshi the nia means you know all sun even the bare minimum to survive is missing then our own the means. as steamy and you can want to stop the violence this is what many of the countries really in need be need as such we need to grow up on

a committee to track consorted narrative healing in times of great need we must remember our industry and the well written arguably does help the global south by exporting weapons how important is the un charter at this particular time only this week saudi arabia bombed yemen the poorest country in the middle east facing a groan a virus a pandemic israel bombed syria how important is the un charter at this particular time because those are seen by many to be arguable violations of the un charter. you may remember are. macia 23 in find them a crack team in. just a 2nd general do not nations on turnover terror has allowed us an option and cruel marcy's. progress is an agenda as time of but to continue now

isn't just to senses that they are now one trying to fight and keep unity in does one point out a country such as a yemen or syria and look at these so many millions of their messages these countries have some of them or some viral people are leaving in them gentle it is essential and that shouldn't have an 8 can get to the people who need even now one of the most and the 1st and foremost them must stop fighting. well after the secretary general made those remarks the trumpet ministration has now ordered warships to the coast of venezuela what about sanctions because donald trump ruled out any relief from sanctions for say iran we had the un special rapporteur on this program it is just syria said sanctions are usually illegal do you agree with what the u.n. is saying in geneva that the e.u. the u.s.

say they must stop sanctions on countries like iran cuba obviously there's eggs in the china during this pandemic and there are some conscious go on and sanctioned by his important to the u.n. security council a cam. and syria and iran and north korea and then in july. at this tan why only the specter sanctions important i disagree because in at the same town you would be. cut for security council to consider are read out on a case by case is take out. our next 10 years ascensions fortunate 10 men and horses you said that one of the successes in south korea has been the importance seen by the government for transparency transparency with the public how important is article 19 of the un charter u.k.

authorities here are threatening all the time foreign owned television stations do you think transparency in article 19 is even more important during this crisis. addressing this kind of a rollover. pandemic chases. extending porton and that people should be important. every 2nd every minute every minute minute 2nd what is necessary for them to do what governments are doing their fall each and every citizen and they can take. measure us whatever india own projection but the discussion of a group or pandemic should be addressed at the group event intermissions no matter who are already said this you know what transparent way transparent way because obviously. it claims here in britain the china russia there are countries

deliberately creating fake news and this is a big problem this is a bigger problem maybe than the pandemic the new york times as china is publicly spreading disinformation. i am not in a position to make any such comment on such issues which and that director had given him the. but you know how they can use whatever a nabi least that tortellini you know are does not help anything and therefore there should be at the very. in the media. release of the. correct information so that she preferred citizen they themselves could a take the necessary major us in the. past and the same time in a broad up broader sense it is the governments and community leaders and grover

needs us who should lead to take the lead in and lessing and fighting the 19. obviously it is the most vulnerable that are going to be affected by corona virus you mention refugees we're talking on this program about hospital porters and cleaners why do you think the most vulnerable will be the should be the priority join the coronavirus crisis because they believe in conditions for nettie just as you might have been to many netaji temps they are living in a very compact that dennis and every house you know are we are on the advising citizen to have a social distance a social distance at least one or 2 meters away from each other and meant that as you as you may want to met attempts nannying millions of people are living in

a very compact area now much percentages for some or even hygiene to her cities and therefore it is much easier much of the more power over for them for that contract to a man is a virus the reason why they're refugees at all for me and talked about in terms of poverty creating wars do you think when this is all over we're going to have to look again at equality and policies like the i.m.f. requirement to privatized health care systems in return for loans in the areas where now wars of caused all these refugees to mount the numbers of the mounting in the hands. that is why dennis i am origin girl by leaders to establish a group where it's fun for small girls are south and pay more attention to them for divorce more survivor are among the wrong peeper just violently britain is out

to call off its next round of climate global climate summit the pope summit what can we learn from coronavirus about the importance of say the green new deal of history rejected by the white house but i understand that you've done a lot of work on promoting the idea of green new deals all around the world. there is clearly. a crows. relationship big change in the address in. the action climate change as an s. addressing a pandemic crisis at this than i am what i'm concern is that. this pandemic crises i'm afraid that. the efforts and the passion and. climate. crisis at this time may be undermined to may be.

downgraded by the people around the heart what is important at this time and that through and. agreeing you deano out of the calling to paris climate change we mustn't take action to point history name as you know i as a lord growing temperature is a heating up there is a much much more and more possibility of this kind of a group of viruses pendennis may happen because of demi on want it away or a mix of all and yes pathogens among. a natural conditions and defoe it is something important at this time learning from this crisis we must take. action to address a climate crisis before it is true but the fossil fuel companies that have a long doubted the existence of climate change their bosses were in the white house

the other day none of them is saying there is any evidence whatsoever that climate change contributes to pandemics. i'm going to urging as you know penn union has announced it is grim. by at the latest a buy 2050 or indies force a few as should be trance transformed into. energy the no one energy in their event across the many european countries where morning are now said that by trying to. sort of 510 to 40 or by 10 to 15 more stops all european countries you know unions country except korean have committed to be a source of sure if continent by the time i'm also urging many many countries are other than the european countries to do that

endeavor that i'm or so. the government i'm not to states to concede on the turn to describe the genuine women as soon as possible or this isn't a pretty clear and moral responsibility as. the most important resource for and powerful countries as you may remember it was the united states and china. you know i'm lucky to get on with the united states and now the united nations. member state to many of you bring this. to a successful conclusion now that it is already 50 up to the decision since the climate change and also a sentiment that among hoards is a. you know some good lessons which we have to learn from this.

and any crisis that we need to eat dessert much much more airports are now much much. speed you know we're really just climbing the crisis over u.n. secretary general thank you. very much as ever the show will be back on monday 3 years of the day the usa backed by britain launch around 60 tomahawk cruise missiles into syria until monday if you have water wash your hands keep safe enjoy be on the ground by following us on you tube twitter facebook instagram. do you believe in miracles would seem democrats do after the joe biden surge on super tuesday for them the fear of the bernie sanders candidate see me now be contained however this is far from over taking on trump no easy task.

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