close one on each other's each other is good because the state of california alone makes $6000000000.00 a year of prison complex just to get some point where. you don't care. hello and welcome the cross-talk were all things are considered i'm peter lavelle what is the difference between embarrassing gaffes and elder abuse joe biden certainly excels at the former and maybe is the big them of the latter we are told

mention of mental health is off limits to what degree does the public have the right to know. cross talking joe biden i'm joined by my guest jan kearns in new york she is a g.o.p. strategist contributor to the daily caller as well as founder of women for a great america in washington we have jason nichols he's a democratic political strategist also in washington we cross to walter small logic he is a answer coalition organizer rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate jen let me go to you 1st i mean i said in my introduction here i mean you know you have you have a lot of gaffes coming from joe biden and he's been known for it ok it's not you know all of a sudden but the intensity of them are is mounting and that maybe just because of

the media's watching more closely i'm trying to be really fair here but we i think we have every right to know about the mental facilities the capabilities of someone that is running for the highest office in the land i mean how do you come out on this go ahead john. well i agree i said last tuesday on super tuesday that the good news was for joe biden he won the primaries and i also said at the same time the bad news is he won the primaries and that the spotlight would soon be getting super hot on him and his numerous gaffes i mean this is a man who wakes up and on a daily basis is not too sure what state he zen he mistakenly called his wife his sister last week and the list of gaffes really go on and on and on and luckily there are always video cameras around to to record those and you're very right peter they have hawker c. from the left is rich here because they began calling president trump then candidate trump crazy in june of 2015 shortly after his announcement here in new

york city 'd that he wanted to run for president of the united states and that is something that continued through his inauguration in january of 2017 and really has continued through the entire impeachment investigation you know talking about his mental faculties talking about his fitness to be president and other mental health issues and so you know what's good for the goose is good for the gander if they've called the president trump that for the last 4 or 5 years they certainly are going to get their share of scrutiny going into november of this year you know jason let me go to you in washington because the interesting thing was and i commented on at the time is that you know when they were commenting on on donald trump they all acted as if they were trained psychiatry's but now they say how dare you say that you're not a medical health professional how can you even make that assessment i mean you know what it's going to be one of the other here ok and is jan just said there's just

ample ample video evidence here joe has a hard time string in sentences together and i think that's a pretty fair statement ok and of course we all. i want to be kind and gentle we've probably all known people in our family elderly people this is what happens ok sadly this is the case here but i am not going to deny reality and say well that's that's not representative i mean it's becoming the norm go ahead jason. well 5 i would agree 1st of all we need to parse out a little bit of the difference between the twitter chatter and actual people that matter people in the media and others people who are challenge president trump usually challenge him on his outright lies rather than his mental faculties or anything like that and you know one of the things we did see that i think is an outright lie is talking about the fact that he was 6 foot $3.23 pounds which he's

obviously much heavier than that you know so again i think we have a lot of things that we need to parse out in terms of well i mean. it's more he said but i mean it's really all his whole although ok but jason i mean i think you're comparing apples here you're comparing apples and oranges lying about your weight. isn't a national security threat ok but that's a physical but if you're is the thing i know from his physical ok i mean and i will agree with you here's the here's here's what will agree steve is that someone who has not examined you know who is not a physician and certainly even if you are a physician or a person who has an exam and someone cannot make a medical diagnosis so therefore i'm not going to say that president trump has some sort of narcissism issue when i when i'm not a psychologist and i haven't examined president trump same thing with. joe biden ok and say that he has dementia or all these kinds of changes that you haven't

actually a senator but i think an egregious case and i think we can be fair here after there's a lot about him lying about his why shouldn't i have a question and an observation hang on hold your horses here you know we go to google and type in is donald trump crazy and you'll get a go you get to get search results that will take you days weeks and maybe months to read i'm sorry your argument doesn't stand any scrutiny whatsoever now and. now it's unfair to say sure source let me go to let me go to walter now ok let me go to walter the crazy is not a real diagnosis either that's not a diagnosis or why don't you weigh in here ok go ahead. well sure i mean specific diagnoses aside it's clear that joe biden doesn't have the mental fitness to become the president to carry out all the tasks that that compass says i mean not only does joe biden have these horrible right wing positions that have harmed so many

millions of people when it comes to health care cuts to social spending the war in iraq mass incarceration not only does joe biden have all of those deficiencies as a candidate but he also he can't complete a sentence i mean the washington post just put out an article about how the longest campaign speech the longest campaign event that joe biden was capable of doing over the past few days was about 15 minutes alon 15 minutes and this guy wants to be the most powerful person in the world but the real question is i mean sheer incompetence alone can explain the democratic party's elites decision to go with a candidate who clearly who clearly is not mentally fit however you want to frame that specifically clearly not mentally fit the reason why they've rallied around this figure who has i think after this act of god absolutely no chance of beating donald trump is because they absolutely cannot tolerate the 30 dander here thought that bernie sanders would be their nominee that's absolutely true i agree with you

jan i mean that leads me to believe i mean i think any commonsense person would listen to joe out there all after the array of debates that the you know it's probably good that he gets like 45 seconds or a minute because he can hang on just barely then but i mean now you got to go one on one with donald trump if he becomes the nominee i mean that's going to be more than an embarrassment given what we've seen over the last few months empirical evidence dictates that's the conclusion you will draw in the future debate go ahead jim. yeah look i'm looking very much forward to i think it's president trump has agreed to 3 general election debates and those will be i mean the popcorn guys that's going to be very entertaining to watch but they do have some time to prepare joe biden and his 1st test really is coming up this sunday when he goes mana against bernie sanders and and look he's got to get past bernie sanders 1st this

week and if he does not do well at the sunday debate i think the democratic party goes back to the drawing board and says we may have a problem * on our hands i would not be surprised if they were able to substitute hillary clinton and substitute michelle obama and some time between now and the day that the d.n.c. convention starts which is july 13th i think it will be very unlikely but that is still a possibility and look even jason's right here in no they can't prescribe someone's mental illness to them and in fact there's even an american psychological association guideline that says if you are not a physician actually treating the individual you are not to assess their psychological association however that didn't stop him s n b c c.n.n. from having people on for the past few years talking and talking about progress and terms mental fitness but here's the big reckoning in the democratic party peter and that is democrats have to ask themselves you're looking at mike bloomberg who has

a $1000000000.00 with a b that he said he's going to spend taking down president trump well if you have that 1000000000 dollars focused on president trump but you also know that your own guy probably doesn't have the juice it takes to win in november what are you really doing and i think the democratic party has some soul searching to do here they're going to take down the president of the united states but they don't have someone to back fill that position you're you're only damaging america at that point. in your opinion is joe biden the keep your candidate the party's candidate because i tend to agree with walter is that they just don't want bernie sanders they're willing to lose donald trump to avoid seeing bernie sanders succeed go ahead jason . well i'm more in line with bernie sanders myself but the thing is the same thing in 2016 the voters were not and you know you can talk about some of the things that the d.n.c.

did in 2016 that there's no evidence that they're doing now but the fact is that you know while i have been now advocating for bernie sanders on many different outlets and saying that bernie sanders is a better candidate you know gabbert as my friend advocated for her on certain occasions joe biden is the person who's winning and that's the democratic process and it seems that he's the person that people are choosing and want to be the nominee and we have to respect that now again about joe biden's you know mental fitness and all of that and president trump people are acting as though president trump is i agree with jen that he's very entertaining but this idea 5 that he's so incredibly sharp we wouldn't be having this conversation if you if you were that sharp so i think you're going to have 2 elderly men on the stage going after one another and you know debates number one don't really make a huge difference in people's decisions number one and number 2 it's going to be 2

elderly old men sitting there trading barbs and it's well i mean what's going to you know that jason jason say about turnout but i have to i have. to hang on we're almost got to go to a break i just want to say something and you can kind of compare the way trumpet spoke in 2016 to now it's changed very little ok i don't i don't always agree with what he says but if you compare joe from 2016 to now there's a huge difference there ok and the fact that they keep him away from media gives gives rise for a reason to have this program in the 1st place it's not trunk trumps mental facilities that we're talking about here he's consistent all the way through all of the time remarkably so hasn't he doesn't even seem to put it. remember to talk about is getting all right on that i'm going to have to go to a short break here we'll go back to jason after that short break after that break we'll continue our discussion on joe biden stayed with our.

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to go to a hard break you have to go to a hard break go ahead jason. yes you know i would just say that we certainly can't say that president trump is this incredible debater you know he's not necessarily someone who comes with facts he's somebody who repeats himself over and over and what we're going to have is 2 elderly men who are going to trade barbs one you know one after the other and i apologize for calling you steve peter i also want to say that debates don't really matter and the reason i say that is because of objectively speaking a loser with war and won the democratic debates on several occasions as a matter of fact couple herse want to debate you know early on and you didn't even make it to the problems jason jason did you have the j.c. . but i mean that is an old myth i will give you all of that jason agreed fine but the meet with the cobb with always the right jason all of the

candidates you mention spoke fluently if they won or lost the debate we have one candidate that looks like the presumptive nominee they can't finish sentences jan you've been trying to get in go ahead george george w. bush had problems speaking we can agree on that peter that jawbone george w. bush looks like you know more raider george w. bush will take in order to joe biden ok let's go to jan that's got agenda new york what was hang on it's going to come on no no doesn't listen heard it was that he couldn't speak don't. go ahead. jason is absolutely wrong here if you want to suggest that debates don't matter ask mike bloomberg what happened and the bad i mean look mike bloomberg should have never agreed to be on the stage and was. very much this isn't that bad debate.

look no but look at debate that proves that debate elizabeth warren became the defacto moderator of that debate debates do matter if it's a it's an unscripted moment anything could happen on the debate stage are you going to write or for a presidential debate for a major t.v. network and look if you think debates don't matter look back at the august 2015 debate where meghan kelly went up against donald trump he ended up winning that he won every debate since that he became the nominee because of it so debates do matter they might not matter in a way that you can draw the dotted line from a disease but they do matter what mike bloomberg why he's not in the race today it's because it is a battle of debate right real quick jason real quickly want to get out of there any little germs here. real quick go ahead real quick go ahead. yeah i just want to say with mike bloomberg here's the issue it wasn't just a debate the problem with mike bloomberg was that whenever mike bloomberg speaks no

one ever comes away liking him or he's a surly person he doesn't really have a whole lot of personality he has no charisma and that's whether he's on a stump speech whether he's in a church or whether he's on a debate stage it doesn't matter you never listen to him and come away like and you're more it's different with president trump it's different even with joe biden it's different with elizabeth warren 'd ok but this guy i'm sorry doesn't have the ok i don't know i mean i've been watching reno i've been watching the journey. that she doesn't have to go ahead once or start over again well if you're going to have it so that let's let walter speak go ahead well well well this is but this is just an absurd scenario that we're talking about here i mean why does it have to be joe biden versus donald trump why does that have to be the ultimate most consequential decision that the people of the united states have to make between these 2 right wing serial liars who are in the pockets of big corporate interests joe biden

somebody has been figure for decades donald trump somebody who's a member of the you know this hated billionaire class rightfully hated billionaire class why does it have to be like this i mean the democratic party could decide to not rig the chances it could not to not sabotage the campaign of the one candidate in the race who is left in the race who has a real shot at winning who actually stands for something who stands for it and so it was the girl kerry educated for housing for a union i actually agree with that clearly have. more hang on you guys don't talk every talk over each other because viewers don't like it just raise your hand and i'll go to you jen go right ahead jan go ahead. ok i actually agree with walter here there is no debate i would rather see more than 2 passionate people with completely me tempus it sets of uneasiness and that would be

bernie sanders versus i think that's the debate that americans deserve to hear unfortunately the democratic party disagreed with that so we're talking about with the reality of the guy that you guys are stuck with and i think that in the end alternately is going to be joe biden unless again this coming sunday he doesn't perform well against bernie sanders which could possibly well be you know bernie sanders and joe biden currently are neck and neck they're only really separated by about a 100 delegates at this point if you look at the people who've endorsed them pete amy so forth they've got about another 100 if joe biden makes a serious gaffe at this weekend's democratic debate things could change that could be a game changer and you see bernie sanders this week kind of tamping down his craziness says making and calling people mentally unfit but you see him sort of tamping down and becoming the nominee that he thinks said the establishment wants him to be

showing that he's this acceptable guy left this crazy uncle bernie out there but if he performs well at the sunday night debate which i think he could that could also be a game changer in the 4th quarter of this game and you know i have to wonder let me go to walter because walter has a net enough time here but i have to wonder is it a coincidence that who is running this clinton documentary because i have this really weird feeling that at the last 2nd they want to shoe horn her in i don't think it's impossible while at the same time not likely but it's like having a joke or a real joker in your hand here walter because i'm convinced the d.n.c. and c n n emissaries are going to have buyer's remorse go ahead walter. well i've given up making predictions i think i've been hearing many is not allowed to vote so who knows who knows but but i just think it's really important that that we recognize the immense institutional power that the democratic party establishment has here i mean yes people are going to the polls people are voting but that choice doesn't

happen in a vacuum they have extremely important levers of power i think principally the media right both the pro democratic party media and the media that present itself as being centrist or nonpartisan are all 100 percent hostile to bernie sanders and are conspiring to create this are an envelop an avid ability around joe biden i mean people are not going to deal with the structural barriers to voting that 7 hour long lines them zion areas that were likely to favor bernie sanders if they think that that vote won't really make a difference if they are inevitability has been ridiculously build around joe biden through the corporate media through the power of incumbent politicians and so forth you know jason just a hypothetical because i know that you have made it very clear that you like bernie sanders and i respect respect that you told told us that but can you explain to me why didn't the democratic party and c.n.n. and m s n b c why didn't they say club which are ok because least he is

a compelling campaigner ok i mean because joe was in the doldrums and then that's there was a 72 hour hiatus than all the sudden everything is transformed i've never seen anything like it in my life and it was behind the scenes ok big money obama was involved all of these things here why would they do it for a club which are she believes she presents the party is moderate she's a woman that's you guys like all that woke stuff why didn't you go with someone like that go ahead jason. well think about clover char and the reason that biden was able to turn this whole thing around is because of one man. demographic that he captured that close bashar can't and that is african-americans particularly african-american women they are the soul of the democratic party they are the force of the democratic party bernie sanders gets a portion of the african-american vote particularly when we're talking about

younger african-americans but when we saw the winds change in south carolina we knew that people like pete booted gedge who had you know an early bump in iowa and you know amy code which are probably over performed in some of those early states was not going to survive going through the south particularly on super tuesday and on some of the states following that she might have some weight in the midwest but this election is going to be about turnout and if you can't turn out african-americans as a democrat you will not win and so that's where it comes down to these 2 particular candidates bernie sanders who has young african-americans excited about him and joe biden who has older african-americans who will come out and vote for him in steady numbers that's what you need and clothes which are and blue to judge and all the other people were way behind in that area and there's no way you can win

a democratic way and secondly as we saw with hillary clinton you can't. get on with their minds or turn out from african-americans jan go ahead. that is true i do agree with jason i do happen to think that african-american females are the most powerful voting bloc going into 2020 you look at their turnout they made or broke that race in alabama against roy moore at the polls and so i do believe they have that purchasing power at the ballot box like we've not seen and a very long time but i will say this the choice here did not have to be joe biden and here's why there was one key phone call made and it was by none other than president obama to intervene he was the 1st one called mare pete he called peabody gen and was the 1st one to ask him to bow out and where pete did and that began that 72 hour contagion there's another 2nd figure also an african-american

and that's james cliburn and i called him on super tuesday night i called him the most powerful person in the democratic party not joe biden despite the fact that biden actually won and so i think you look at these 2 figures in the party they are really the power here not joe biden and whomever they would have endorsed would have carried the day and i think i think would have a good shot at it so i don't think the string care is that joe biden can attract african-americans i think you have to look at those 2 key african-americans who interjected themselves here and to the selection their followers would have followed him ever they chose and been hairpiece kind i don't want to run and said i want to support it i want to close i want to throw cold water on this here but no one isn't mentioned the preferences of the donors and that's where most of it comes from the donor class in both parties it's all the time we have many things that my guess would want you didn't and didn't you york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember crosstalk rules.

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this is all to u.k. we're live from central london welcome to our viewers from around the world were current awaiting the government's daily coronavirus press conference and is expected to be given today by the chancellor soon act that's a little later meanwhile our headlines this hour. u.s. senator bernie sanders sends his presidential campaign including a way for joe biden to seize the democratic nomination and take on donald trump in november. the deadliest day yet for the u.k. 938 deaths from coronavirus that's as concerns have been raised over potential power vacuum and number 10 after it emerges that the foreign secretary doesn't have total control of the prime minister remains in intensive care to hear from

political commentator bill to overhaul and a front line medical doctor a little later. european leaders fail to strike a deal on a massive financial stimulus as france suggests it could break with the bloc i'll be speaking to an expert in european or very shortly. also the school's closures are likely to have had limited impact on the spread of the virus is study finds with others suggesting the government was too hasty we get reaction from an expert in sociology who would like to see them open. so we start with some breaking news this hour senator bernie sanders has dropped out of the u.s. presidential race paving the way for joe biden to become the next democratic candidate saunders made the initial announcement during a call with his staff members is election bid was looking strong back in february

but biden recently claimed victory in the southern state of south carolina the u.s. election is sure to take place in november all this year where the democratic nominee will take on the president donald trump and we'll be getting more on the race for the presidency in the next hour when i'll be joined by our u.s. correspondent. the death toll here in britain hit a record high once more 828 deaths in just 24 hours in the us is the prime minister is in a stable condition responding to treatment as he remains in intensive care at a london hospital and concerns are raised over the potential power vacuum left by his absence or to shut it was dusty joins me now with the latest so surely a group for the country absolutely in fact the death toll is increasing day in day out today it's increased by 938 which yet again is the highest number of deaths in a 24 hour period and it seems like every single day the death toll is getting worse

and worse bringing the total up to $7097.00 of course all of this comes as the prime minister spends a 3rd day in intensive care at thomas hospital here in central london the latest from downing street according to his medical team working on the ground there at san thomas's hospital is that the prime minister is being monitored closely he remains in a stable condition and we understand that he is using some oxygen assistance though it is not the intrusive one of a ventilator system and much like yesterday though we understand his spirits are quite good at this stage however anxious hours ahead for the prime minister but difficult days then for those that have been put in charge of his position i can now just confirm to you his riches are not at today's briefing we are all taking part in a collective national effort to protect the vulnerable in each other to secure our public services and to save lives. this endeavor is underpinned by an important simple idea. that we depend on each other.

when you need it when you fall on hard times we will all as one society be there for you. to take care of you until you are once again ready to take care of yourself and others this idea has been central to all of our efforts to support people and businesses during this crisis we promise to do what ever it takes and i am striving every day to keep that promise. but when i say we all depend on each other i don't just mean the relationship between individuals businesses and the state one of our greatest strengths as a country is our civil society the local charities who provide so much compassion care and community to the most vulnerable in our country you have

not been forgotten british people businesses and foundations are already doing their part to support our charity sector. and today we in government will do our part as we build on our plan for the economy with a plan to support our social fabric there are nearly 170000 charities in this country and the truth is we will not be able to match every pound of funding that they would have received this year. charities can already use many of our existing schemes to support people and to protect their stuff all charities are eligible for the job retention scheme and in line with medical advice and just like any other employer the right answer for many charities will be to furlough their employees. but some charities are on the front line of fighting the coronavirus. and others provide critical services and support to vulnerable people and communities. for

then shutting up shop at this moment would be to contravene their very purpose their entire reason to exist. those charities have never been more needed than they are now and they've never faced such a sudden fall in their funding so today i'm announcing 750000000 pounds of funding for the charity sector 370000000 pounds of that funding will support small local charities working with vulnerable people we all know who they are those small charities in our villages our market towns in pockets of our cities the unsung heroes looking after the vulnerable and holding together our social fabric in england this support will be provided through organizations like the national lottery communities fund and we will allocate $60000000.00 pounds of this funding through the bonnet formula to scotland wales and northern ireland. the u.k.

government will also provide 360000000 pounds directly to charities providing essential services and supporting vulnerable people as we battle the coronavirus up to 200000000 pounds of those grants will support hospices with the rest going to organizations like st john's ambulance and the citizens advice bureau as well as charities supporting vulnerable children victims of domestic abuse or disabled people and last night the b.b.c. and now it's their big night in charity appeal on april the 23rd and today i can confirm. the chance of the giving the government's daily coronavirus are due to the prime minister was sitting up and engaging although he does remain in intensive care on the economy the chancellor announced extra funding for charities should it was dusty has more on the possible power vacuum left by the prime minister's

absence shadier well as we just heard there she stood out is indeed standing in for the prime minister right now but officially seeing as boris johnson is incapacitated the man that is standing in for him officially is dominic rop the foreign secretary of course with many many challenges but one thing to stress is that dominic rob deputizing has no power to make any decisions alone in fact he really does need a collective cabinet response and backing and consultation before he makes any decision but there's a lack of structures being put in place in an official capacity is causing quite a lot of concern in fact one tory m.p. peter bone has said that there should be a next in line lest i s a session this should be guaranteed in law as to who would officially replace a boris johnson or any prime minister in the future because let's imagine if dominic robb were to fall into himself at this moment in time who would then replace him talk of the town it could be really sue not the chancellor who we just

heard from but perhaps any sabean a little bit more legal clarity in all of this further afield then from the coronavirus crime says there are many other governmental issues that need to be looked upon and who should take responsibility for other issues as well and just yesterday met michael gove was also about who could in fact authorize a nuclear strike i simply can't talk about national security matters there are well developed protocols which. those of which have been just over town. well tory m.p. and chair of the house of commons defense select committee tobias alwar doesn't think this is quite good enough and wants there to be 100 percent clarity as to who is responsible for national security matters as this global vulnerability could be an opportune moment for a very staid to pounce so as you can see there are many concerns when it comes to government matters particularly in the absence of an elected leader shadier thank

you very much indeed political commentator peter oborne thinks the whole issue of a power vacuum in the heart of government has been overblown. i do think at the moment that there's a huge problem clearly there are interesting conversations but the cabinet circuitry who i would think is running the country almost as much as mr rob and lots of the more so it is still a good business the civil service is still effective so the machinery of government is still there i don't think too much should be made of the prime minister's absence yes so as you say this isn't a huge problem so why then are we seeing things being stirred up when as you say we've got the civil service and of course the whole machinery of government in action at the moment why are these questions being raised now when there are of course very other serious issues to address. i guess

a very nice point be made by some people that it has to be a change of policy i a big decision about a lot done or a major change change in strategy in those circumstances i guess that somebody has to make that decision and it might be contested inside a cabinet the question that arises does domineer rob have the all star at c 2 to make that decision my guess is that it's only a guess that he doesn't even know the answer to that question by the way is yes he does is the acting prime minister mr johnson. is hopefully said to be in high spirits i'm sure he would be consulted if at all really massive decision had to be made what about michael go beyond that question who's in charge of the nuclear button here is our national security really threatened surely no one's going to launch a military attack at the moment. i think most ago it was as quite often happens

with us to go talking mischievously and without proper knowledge and i don't think that there is going to be a in the in the event of a new killer. threat. i'm sure all these various systems would sones emotion but to be honest of you i think over the next few weeks the threat is coronavirus while out for more on the prime minister's health and the wider issues in the health service than today's figures i'm now joined by emergency medicine dr joydeep grover join it thank you for being with us firstly reaction concerning boris johnson if somebody is sitting up an engaging despite being in intensive care presumably that that is good news although being intensive care sounds pretty serious. that's absolutely right so being in advance of is usually a sign that you require very close monitoring possibly somebody special treatment so that is obviously

a cause of concern but it's reassuring that the news that's come out is that. you know. all that is required is oxygen and pulls one trick which which is reassuring to any family members who have somebody a very similar situation here is that a report of that somebody is condition should be heartened by it but obviously still cautious but it is a good step. it certainly is a good step. but there's no so the news of any deterioration ducks for the good. old fully accountable be turned and things will become better or staunton only $55.00 or most people think that that's too young to be at risk from this awful virus so we have to assume that it would be wrong to think that. yes absolutely so obviously i can't talk about mr johnson himself but generally. we know that the virus doesn't bug significantly older people much worse but that does

not mean that it does not impact younger people as well though the chances of someone getting seriously unwell if you're young are significantly lesser but they tend to increase ones i think that only the point is around 50 years of age after 50 or the age but equally in men the risk becomes significant and it keeps on increasing with every decade let's talk about these statistics now the figures on the tool good today it seems like every time we think we're making some sort of progress there the death count goes up again. yes the list. is quite high but we must consider this in the light of context there are reporting on aliso nor the death count usually are lower or the weekend on mondays and the cool later because the way that some reported so they can be due to due to the asian and secondly the debts that are happening currently are the tree lockdown

unit because people who contracted the illness before the lockdown would have become unwell so any effects of the lockdown will probably be seen some time next week so we're always trying to find some glimmer of hope or are we then getting into the worst of it now or perhaps the worst is yet to come or as you say judging by the effects of the knock down hopefully things could be then getting better and we are reaching that all important peak that everybody's talking about e.a.'s i think the general feeling is that excuse one not going to be similar across all regions or the united kingdom. the expectation is that london will eat a little earlier that the rural areas will eat a bit later so all the different excellent shooter different time to different regions but we are cautiously optimistic that the equine will not be something

which always strips our capacity to care and secondly hopefully by next week it'll become much more clear that there's a steady gentle along dr rather than catastrophic a nuclear or what is happening in new york finally the entire population is in admiration of what you're doing you and your colleagues or doctors and carers because we have heard horror stories of protective equipment shortages how's it going for you and other members of staff what are the conditions like for you and how you coping. well where i am certainly conditions are finally adequate e i think. initially there was some confusion all in the country because the public health england guidelines were updated on a bill they're going to bases. currently i think all around the country now has a much better expectation of what. you believe using so dark that is not as big an

issue at this point of time however there are certain reports on the other you must have heard of frontline conditions who unfortunately. are dying in this. during the course of their duties and that remains a concern for all star members when our thoughts are with you thank you very much indeed dr jordan grover well. the new countries of fell to reach an agreement on a large scale stimulus to keep their economies afloat during a pandemic several nations refused to support a plan for shared e.u. debt after a meeting of finance ministers this morning france reportedly hasn't ruled out a package for a smaller group of eurozone members if a deal isn't reached even the entire future purpose of the bloc in doubt has more. initially there was huge upset among citizens of spain italy over what they saw as a slow response to the coronavirus from the european union now what we're seeing is

the bloc struggling to come to a consensus over what of being called corona bonds these would allow the debts that are being racked up to be sprayed even the between member states spain italy and france are in favor germany austria and the netherlands very much against angle of merkel favors using the 2012 european stability mechanism that was used during the previous financial crisis but that has left a brutal demand the french finance minister pulling his hair out saying that some countries will recover quicker than others using that route nothing would be worse for europe them for the richest states to get off to a quick starts while others who cannot afford it start slowly we all need to recover at the same speed in order to guarantee the k. he's in solidarity and unity of the eurozone and our common currency to go back to

that idea of more europe that anglo merkel was talking about well the european commission president is also a big fan of on the line putting forward a big european fiscal plan to try and tackle the fallout from cova one thing many are calling right now all for something which is called the marshall plan well i think the european budget should be the marshall plan we are laying out together as a european union for the european people also getting on side with the wartime metaphor has been the spanish prime minister better sanches europe has to establish a wartime economy and put in place measures for the defense reconstruction and economic recovery in europe we can turn this crisis in soon opportunity to rebuild a much straw. european union european politicians are under a lot of pressure right now not only looking after the health of their citizens but knowing that if they fail to deal with this virus or perhaps even worse they're

perceived to have failed to have dealt with this it could well lead to the rise of more extremist politics mcraney believes that nothing will be quite the same again when it ends there will be a great opening for populist voices on both the fire rice and the left the anti foreign the anti european the anti global but he also believes there will be a desire for proven leaders and an aversion to further disruption there's a lot of people focused right now on what will happen after the battle with the virus will we end up with a more powerful more unified european union or one that specific it by extremists at both ends of the political spectrum be troll ferrante berlin. professor francesco resume things failure to reach an agreement could see a splits between the blocks northern and southern members. what it really comes down to is not so much the corona bans that are going to be difficult to to to deal

with but what it comes down to is using the european stability mechanism remember that infamous mechanism that supposedly help greece but 1st make greece suffer here the big argument is not whether one uses that or not because i think there is agreement on using that but on whether there should be conditionality in other words the germans are now on side with the french by the way it's actually the dutch that are holding out and they want real strings attached to using that mechanism whereas the italians the spaniards the french are saying no the only conditionality is that that money is used to help purposes still to come out of this our closing schools is likely to have had limited impact on the spread all right of our study suggests we have from an expert in sociology.

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in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. for a mate in the shallowness. that i'm approaching is announced a paying crease for all medical staff involved in fighting the corona virus pandemic speaking with the heads of russia's regional governments on a video called the russian president compared medics to soldiers on the frontline of war salary increases for doctors nurses and i'm going to strive as will be up to and in some cases over the equivalent of a $1000.00 the measures expects remain in place for 3 months. a study has found closing schools is likely to have only had a very small impact on the spread of the virus research conducted by the university college london suggest that shutting primary and secondary schools prevented just 2

to 4 percent of deaths related to the virus as far less effective than others social distancing interventions it also highlighted that keeping schools closed did not help control help rates of other coronaviruses in mainland china hong kong and singapore back in 2003. we know from previous studies that school closures are likely to have the greatest effects if the virus has low transmissibility and attack rates are higher in children this is the opposite of covert 19 data on the benefits of school closures in the covert 19 outbreak is limited but what we know shows that their impact is likely to be only small compared to other if action control measures such as case isolation and is only effective when other social isolates in measures are here to schools remain closed since march with the exception for children of critical workers and vulnerable pupils the paper also highlighted economic costs and potential harm to children's

learning but the epidemiologist advising the government professor neil ferguson said the closures were important for transmission to be reduced all school closures as a measure on its own is predicted to have a limited effectiveness in controlling covert 19 transmission when combined with intense social distancing it plays an important role in severing remaining contacts between households and thus in searing transmission declines professor ferguson's work cause the government to u.-turn on its initial strategy of letting the virus spread through the population leading to so-called herd immunity his prediction of 250000 fatalities led to the shift to the lock down focusing themself is currently self isolating with coronavirus in terms of government said that such measures are needed to protect the n.h.s. and save lives. the decision to close schools was taken in line with scientific advice on how to limit the spread of the coronavirus we asked most children to stay at home in order to protect the n.h.s.

and save lives schools will remain closed until further notice except for children of critical workers and the children who are most vulnerable we will reopen schools when the scientific advice indicate it is safe to do so professor of sociology of robot they all told me that schools closures a lot in the interest of children. well there was never very much evidence of benefit from the school closures but clearly the government were also facing nationalizations with half a 1000000 signatures on which setting created a political pressure to slant the science in particular directions i think the the thing about school closures is it's one of those it's one of those actions that appears to be easy and appears to be obviously desirable but with a little bit of reflection and the sort of additional evidence that we're now saying it realise that it's not really in the interests of the children and it's massively destructive to many other sectors of the economy and society that we are

trying to keep going sure not in the interest of the children of course who rarely get severe symptoms but because they do catch and transmit the virus to teachers other staff and indeed parents well it's not well demonstrated i mean there is a big difference between coronavirus and influenza which is i think what a lot of the the early measures were based on the assumption there are broadly similar i mean with influenza children do indeed get quite sick and small children in particular what we call super spreaders they shed a lot of virus and they do in fact a lot of other people. when it comes to transmitting the virus it's not at all clear that. teachers are any more at risk in the classroom than they are travelling to class going about their ordinary everyday lives at sea for the moment more needs and often are.

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