i'm. going to be. welcome aboard everybody welcome to this edition and you know the media landscape is changing long with every other landscape so today we're going to do a little different kind of show and we're going to be joined by my long time friend and long time colleague and someone who you're very familiar with out there lytle of lionel media will get his take on what's going on in some legal issues that are facing the media as well so ladies and gentlemen i'm steve malls let's see the press. you know.

by. now all right ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard and as i promised this this gentleman that we're going to be talking to for the for the entire show today i've known him for lots and lots and lots of years and i got to tell you off camera he is as wonderful even more so wonderful than you would imagine by seeing and hearing him talk on camera he's lined up a litle media media and legal analysts very important he should serve sent through roll lytle welcome aboard my friend thank you sir thank you thank you thank you and here's to be able to do it on the fly which we understand by virtue of our 10 year in terrestrial conventional talk radio where something broke down all the cup. absolutely absolutely and you're always had to improvise you always had a flight and then i write a script to talk radio and i think that's that's really helped i know it's helped

me and i know you've told me that it's a big advantage for you it's well so let me let me start thanks way if i may you were asleep you're getting and we talked about this the other day if someone was asleep or in a time warp or time machine or. that woke up and you know they were they went to sleep or maybe the best way to put it is is a few months a few months they slept for a few months they were ill whatever they woke up and ate i now thrust into this world and let's focus on the media part of it obviously what are they seeing what kind of shock are they going through. well right we had we had spoken about this the idea of somebody being in a time tunnel or some some type of a of a coma wrong name wrong term but maybe a time warp others a couple of months or a year from now 1st from the media point of view i think what they would do is they would look up and say hey where's all the local new it's gone where is the late

night news where i don't see the news that we used to be and see with and the reason for that is a couple of reasons number one we're seeing for the 1st time by virtue of this horrible event who's really good who is not we're also going through and i know you get these i've received media e-mails every day about name the industry name the company layoffs are suspending our retirement you name it dividends because something like this is never happened when you have in that commercial enterprise people who are not selling when commerce stops that is unable to pay the commercial end of radio and media and t.v. so it all ceases so the 1st thing when this regroup when people retrench and get back they're going to say we don't need this anymore this anymore or this anymore

because that one is too expensive but the public changed its taste and what we're doing right now is we're not going for fluff and glitz and glamor which is nice we're giving people raw information which by the way steve a lot of people in kids today and folks this is their world so as long as you're authentic you're going to succeed that's what's going to change oh yeah absolutely and i think it's a shame what's what's happening to local news newspapers you know going under firing people laying people off cutbacks cutting salaries etc but let's focus on also the way. the obvious there's the obvious you tune in people are doing their shows from home people are doing their show as you know from from far from their basement or wherever you have hosts that are in studio or sitting far away from each other there's no more studio audience is at the late night shows and the at the shows that are on during the day like the view for instance but there's also

there's also other fundamental differences in the in the way i think you know every citizen now. is a potential contributor and has been giving their point of view giving their stories giving their fears giving their questions they become a part of the news presentation on so many outlets. precisely citizen and civilian journalism even idea where i am broadcasting now from just out the window is the comfort the u.s. n.-s. comfort and when the comfort docked you can imagine there was a tremendous throng of individuals and next to the conventional press where their press pass there were people with cell phones just taking a picture saying here i am and steve. i don't want to speak out of turn here but a lot of people that we know people who have been in the television business

particular and the news misses have thought that that presentation cannot possibly be done by a civilian by a citizen somebody who's never been in the trenches somebody who's not a who doesn't have a press pass somebody who didn't understand how this the works when their version of this showing perhaps a a a an excitement to this event might be even better television than that before you're also finding out you know steve there was a great line attributed to roger ailes i hope it is but i love the line they ask when they do you think that journalist should get a license and he i believe or someone said you only need a license to cut hair so what we're seeing right now is people who are actually in there doing what this is and by the way you 2 platforms social platforms alternative foreign media there is a bevy of cuffing the of news sources guess who guess who the beneficiary of this

is the consumer because steve you and i have to be better you and i have to be able to compete you and i have to blow these people out of the water if it's going to be it's going to thin the herd so to speak so it's actually beneficial to the consumer of news but i and before we get to it to the future which you kind of address in your in your 1st answer i do want to focus on. misinformation because with alternative news sources with these new news sources with social media with the average citizen being able to use their cell phone to take pictures which may be legitimate which may not be legitimate i mean there is so much mis and dis information out there especially as a relates to the virus and that makes it all that much worse. great point 1st things i remember one day and i could imagine names but

anybody who's ever listened to. any old age of talk radio that we knew on the weekend. even today what are you going to hear is everything i did was a snake oil because they're not all snake oil but this information like you cannot believe this information misinformation not information and then people said oh what are you going to do buyer beware coffee at end door big deal all of a sudden steve i don't want to say the left or the right but there is a move to shut news down certain news what they've done is they've gone after privacy considerations intellectual property violations steve malzberg can't say that because that's copyrighted steve malzberg can't say that because that belonged to somebody else then we wanted to hate steve can say that because of hate and the next thing they're going into is falsity steve for $25000.00 and a new car tell me what descent from

a should is tell me you who has been through every aspect there is tell me anything you've ever heard in any platform that did not disinformed this inform get it wrong i was in a radio show that we have the wrong lottery numbers out you know people said. the reason you're hearing what you're hearing right now is it's not because they care about for example of this think don't give up do after fox news as we know because you're giving us a posy bad idea as you regarding the right we're going to get that we're going to get to that few minutes that but yeah but i believe in god he's made everyone else just. that they're just they're just craving all the information they can get and you know what it really is up to the consumer to decipher and anybody purposely putting out false information to harm people that that could be a different story but we'll get to that again with your legal you put on your legal hat in a chair just a moment but the future like i said you address it a little bit in the in the opening statement that your mate but but how much change

i mean do you really think and i don't know because it could this this goes beyond just media because into every aspect of our lives are we going to wear masks from how are we going to stay apart from people are we going to go back to ballgames are we going to could you know congregate with our friends so as it applies to media are we going to see people continue to do from home are we going to see people continue to do sitting apart from their partner because are we going to see shows without studio audience is going forward i mean is this going to be permanent. yes yes yes yes yes and yes but there's going to be a change but this is a correction listen there always has been something cataclysmic catastrophic that's happened which can a traffic for the people who are supplanted people who are moved but let's talk about this for a moment the idea that social distancing there is going to be and i give it to my beloved wife it's her blank it's she always as we say hash tag correction 2020 it's

a correction name of the media broadway more movies independent film right now we're asking people we have political conventions the idea is the for the longest time we always had this idea of people contagious and get away from people and it never meant anything to us the culture that we ever did was start a call for you know if we were i was at. in a year from now if you want to go into this bubble suspended animation come back in a year the 1st thing you're going to say is why are people standing so far away i want to shake somebody's hand and they look to me like what are you kidding also masks nascar going to be a part of our routine you know for i could go into some for the reasons as well but that's perhaps for the show but you're going to see people doing it because people are going to become so used to this they're going to be asking why am i not wearing it what if the you know there's no corona or coke but it's going to mutate so named

a platform spectator sport ballroom dancing graduations staved we're a social group why do they behave a solitary confinement because we're isolated everything we do always with people so if you take that away everything we do. every correction 2020 i think or your wife hit it right on the head right well i know stay where you are folks i hope we pick your appetite i want you to stay there because i never get to take a break in the combat but the main course more with our friend line of line all media and the press. this is a story of women women was troubled histories and complex cold cases you know some of us did lee leave who lives out there. who were not. the

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i don't trust medical authority at all. and the reason for that is i had this horrible autoimmune disorder growing up and it turns out it was completely alleviated with very drastic dietary measures and i went to a number of doctors to discuss what happened to me and i was basically laughed at like diet has nothing to do with our meanness orders so my suggestion to people who have health issues they can't figure out if they're going to see a medical professional and they've been going for 10 years and they're still on the same place they should probably take it upon themselves to start testing things out testing out diet testing out exercise and try and figure out things on their own.

and welcome back to eat the press i'm steve malzberg and we're rejoined by lie no lie no media media and legal analysts you know you love them and you've got them for the rest of the show so like not let me let me at you brought out fox news you tweet that you touch you tease it a little bit subtly unintentionally so so no no no that's good that's good so let me tell you and let's discuss what they're doing to fox news there is this organized effort now to claim that fox news has been presenting this information as we discussed in the last segment dangerously so to put people's lives at risk they're saying that most of their viewers are 65 and over and they're sitting there and these poor dumb 65 year old over people can't think on their own and they're getting all this it does information that's going to tell them for instance 74 journalists lined up professors i should say 74 professors have written

a letter to rupert murdoch and his son. over at lakeland over at fox and they said that fox is a danger to public health presenting misinformation on the coronavirus you who i hear is lionel on the left that are better predicting legal action former clinton administration official michael bromwich who represented the cabin or accuser christine place before and by the way andrew mccabe said it can lead to a legal bloodbath and you have vanity fair's gave sherman saying that they're scared over there at fox news so. i mean i know why they're doing this and i know that someone's going to file this in court but what what what what is the what are the chances that they could actually harm or damage aside from the reputation of fox news the entity that is fox news. none the only

chance they have to worry about it is perhaps sanctions being leveled against them for filing spurious claims look let's talk about what this is is there 1st issue is there a cause of action for a news organization to give information which is negligent now i don't want to play around with what is is is mean and all that but a live for example has been defined in court by many many cases as a misrepresentation of fact with the intent to deceive now that by analogy would apply here if iraq's news makes a mistake says something like oh i don't know doctor found who said from where i'm asked don't wear a mask go outside don't go outside every 3 minutes it changes now was that misleading misleading was it it was it intended to deceive no was it just an error or do think does stuff happen so they want to have they would have to go into

a court and perhaps a jury and explain that fox news or anybody for that matter not only gave information out which was negligent but there was something that would do is a degree of recklessness now the law knows libel slander defamation that we understand but for the 1st time in a new do organization if ox or or or m s n b c or anybody were to say this is the reason why we said it or better yet steve mall virg says in my opinion covert is the worst disease in the world or it's nothing it's your opinion we don't have to go and borrow from the libel and defamation rule because the man opined is that if somebody takes listen to you by the way the doctrine is called promissory estoppel or a stop or when you justifiably rely if steve malzberg or fox or anybody goes on and says let me tell you couric when. and his or her meissen does not work does work

and you're not qualified that might be something but during the hyperbole during the discussion during the opinion regarding something a vis note for somebody to make a mistake and you're going to go to court and sue them for misinformation implying steve not just eroni is information but an intent to deceive to throw people off good luck i promise you what you know would not have the press of that of a successful well you know who or agrees with you and we could take a look at this making kelly formerly a fox formerly of course of the elite of n.b.c. news she tweeted out in response to this whole thing anyone filing such a lawsuit would be laughed out of court and likely sanction by the court for filing a frivolous lawsuit so i guess i don't know she's a great legal mind she does have a legal background so you know great minds do think alike i would imagine. but

steve there are people also i'm very familiar with the online platforms and i think they're fascinating because some of the greatest stuff i've ever seen has been from quote civilian leadership there are people who have said the most asterisks stories about what this is about. the 1st amendment provides freedom to press freedom to explain freedom to report and if you are negligent you know if if you are just you made a mistake you didn't report it how about this you didn't report it enough what about this deep you didn't report it at all there's misfeasance none fees and mount fees and doing what if you did not cover something what if you didn't cover it enough when this is is again i mentioned before there are trying to go after

certain targeted opinion based upon 1st of all intellectual property then later i hate speech now misinformation i'm trying to imagine what would the next one be maybe something involving inciting a riot or or discourse or something because clearly i don't want to be a kreskin or a mind reader here but they the intention of these folks is not to prevent misinformation is to stop fux it's to stop just them absolute us the 1st thing 5 should say is oh ok let's do it you have your information now we're going to give you ours let's talk about it things that have been said about president robert that would apply as well right right are or does that how they go there what they're doing is they're going to be there i'm sorry they're going to the early days of fox's treatment of this virus and they did put out sean hannity for instance saying you know if you're healthy it's 99 percent or

whatever and they're saying oh my god the 65 year old plus audience is getting all this this information is resulting in death i agree with you on a non legal person but i agree with you as he was some fretless is so ridiculous that all they have to do is point to for one the mayor of new york city who you know had to be dragged kicking and screaming just a couple of weeks ago to close it. but the new york city schools are told people go about their lives so i agree i think it's all ridiculous initiates another attempt when these professors sign onto a letter you know you know there's an all teary motive in my view in my opinion i know my opinion now i want everybody to learn more about why i know. and by the way you talk about you 2 you do 3 shows a day on you to tell folks 1st where they could find you and then we'll backtrack and talk about where you started and how we came to meet each other it's very simple line a nation i knew to at 8 am to b.m. and 8 pm during this and there are it's part of the symphony of information

and as far as how we met i rather not go into that but how we met provided only i can i say from the days when we were part of the brother in on what was i believe in i hate to say was my mum pinion but one of the greatest talkradio bastions in flame throwers w a b c and we just yes this was what eve 7 years i mean i don't even know i'm after whiting to keep track but we have been side by side throughout every iteration of that you were there before that but i started off in talk radio right when rush limbaugh was coming along and this thing blew up so we've seen the piece but steve very quickly want to say one thing it's not talk radio it's not talk it's time it's information and information or truth no matter the platform will always be viable doesn't matter what it is megaphone you can hold it doesn't matter some of for you can all flags as the communication platform is always and the media may be

different. yeah you know talk radio is one of those great great great mediums of course that audience always skewed a little older when it comes to political talk and now that audience is much older because were much older hate to hate to say it and so they're the audience is dropping off if you look at the ratings in new york city for instance of w. a.b.c. radio where we were at wor where we both were as well. if you combine those ratings these days combined them you know come close to what w a b c had in the heyday that you were talking about when we were both there when that we were as you said flame throwing talk radio and we were just at the top of the charts so it's a it's a i hate to say have a dying medium but i guess it is a title is it not. plat platform maybe maybe 8 am i don't know all that remains to be seen that can still be done but steve remember. what is not

taught forget radio what is not talk t.v. talk radio tell me what is not the music format i don't know about you i'm sure there are disk jockeys i don't know but they have murray days a murray the k. and doesn't bruce in whoever the but those individuals from stern to great by the way great urban formats and great city of all formats in terms of morning drive it's talk it's not music everything is taught turn on t.v. tell me what's not talk his idea of talk radio taught everywhere howard stern was never a d.j. it's talk while we're doing this talk what news is the only thing that changes is how do you provide it and your people do it the right was it in the bathroom who are doing some of the best program they have by just off. yeah i know what i what i was saying about dying i think you're absolutely right about about the platform of

top if it is everywhere and thank goodness but i was talking about specifically what was known what we grew up in and then started out in radio and i think i think i think that's it that's a shame to it to a great extent but i just want to say the folks in a alluded to this in my intro to you during a down times and helping guide me through my technical ignorance to which would be much to my betterment if i didn't have such ignorance and learned more you have and you know and we were friends where we would hang out together every day and all that but you know have have have have come to my rescue in so many ways over the past few years that i tell everybody about it and i wanted at the world to know now that you are wonderful you've been wonderful to me and i appreciate it very very much. well that's always my pleasure but but this is listen the listen the technology is just amazing and once you figure it out that's fine but still

that's half the battle what do you do with that even if something we're doing mutual admiration because we are doing but i we are the admire each other you know julie but what you can do on you have i can well you out of bed stick up mike in your face and you can do it that there's no apps for that my friend doesn't exist we are we are we are a rare breed like no thank you my friend will speak to you soon thank you sir always a pleasure. all right folks well that's our show for today stay curious and stay hungry of course because there sure were years sunday morning at 1030 eastern time and you can also watch the full shows right now on portable t.v. our portable t.v. app down on it right now from your app store i'm steve bould berg see you next time i meet the press.

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the world is driven by. the dares thinks. we dare to ask. so much than we really need that's what this all walk down is teaching so many millions of people but most of their lives are all wasted on stuff that's

unnecessary costly redundant and doesn't social good at all. greetings and salad you take issue with another we could down another about to begin we have to sit step back and ask ourselves where do where do it where does everything stand or watchers this week saw the end of the bernie sanders campaign for president of the united states after the man himself took to the airwaves wednesday to announce he was suspending his campaign and in a final showing of heart and true to the character of the remount sen 5 secure sanders campaign manager also announced this week that campaign workers would remain on the campaign's health care plan through october and if you think that's not really a big deal just ask all those laid off bloomberg campaign staffers who are now

having to sit.