i don't write them that well what about the restaurants the work so i take the nude and broke up with a system which has been in full snout affectively since the eighty's and charm since the ninety's of the last century needs to be dismantled all the countries there are seriously attempting to come to grips with this epidemic i mean macro in france was korea it was an action is based on making france a joke premier liberal state has now been forced to reverse all that and offering 'd to pay the utility bans council tax you know people not so well off eccentric shows that deep down this entirely oh through worst major government of the western world are aware that the system which they're being defended and supporting doesn't work for

a majority of the people that's the lesson to be drawn after the virus has been tackled there and should if i may just say one of the countries that are shown no panic because it is bad for these claims is the tiny island of cuba where cruise ships which are not allowed to land anywhere on joke anywhere jocking in cuba being greeted by the population most all and are being treated by the doctors and the cubans are sending free medicines all over africa now that is the model whereas in the west this didn't come to sight whether to maintain sanctions against iran or venezuela which is totally and completely disgusting then this is still going on when those in higher world is facing this crisis in fairness to our struggles foreign office and the stand that the british government have thanked for the. cuban government for taking the ship or the braemar into port but

certainly no condemnation from here about the u.s. sanctions on the island i want to get on to some of those other issues a bit later and today's anniversary of the iraq war but you're also a novelist and putting your novelist hat on how do you characterize near liberal culture and art given the fact that most people's cultural imagination of a pandemic is really from hollywood and from films that what we have to go on well i mean you know it's lost both of the culture today obviously is dominated by a form of neo liberalism which ill courage is individualists some of the most group has sort of you know there's a worship of 1st celebrities that someone extremely well known on television or a very strong. actor is almost greeted as

a dog and this is really deep deep you know much 1 much worse over the last 30 to 40 years so this. proves various people almost not completely from thinking collectively and actually it's not tell by the technology i think that the old internet revolution that mistaken placing characters individual ism of course it meat i mean the number of people who run into on the buses all the tubes or i don't believe them and so even on their bikes their ears see you not from the noises of the real world if i can put it like that their eyes sealed off from what is going on around them because they're concentrating on ones that are normal on the singles grange now it needn't be like this but that is what it's been an i.t. . in it on screen a frightening

a very way what we are witnessing now is people beginning to think again beyond themselves holy wall is you know produce the old film like contagion what does that do it just creates korea i mean the pain is. lost to create fear but to create open not to create better 70 but to encourage people to be to be active and they is now at the station response to this crisis i mean someone wrote from send up all saying that here in south korea and in japan the the detainee is testing testing the entire population regularly and not banning contact with each other except physical contact so there are many many different ways of looking at it from the fact that the chinese themselves. bought it was not

was in the new base to be rooted anywhere in the country shows that actually in the interests of who are great people and have been a factor i mean why what about the united states where you don't even have 3 elephants deeply shocking the richest most powerful country in the world treat its population because of capitalist dharma and the one candidate and being for a. national health service in the united states is most likely to be defeated by a sleepy joe biden so it's a very weird big ship but i think there are lessons to be i think many people will learn i'm saying that if this is what you have to do in emergencies why can't you change the way in we treat live well hollywood at least the is how a lot of people describe what happened 70. 100 years ago today when the world woke

up to the pictures of the u.s. and u.k. bombing of baghdad why is it still relevant what happened in 2003 why is it still relevant to all our lives right now because it's still going on that's the 1st reason that it was 17 years ago it was iraq. and the. comments that are being inflicted on this country the brutality the cruelty the western aku by. doing everything possible to find shias from sudanese and one day playing with the shia giving them. which makes your arm the central are in the region and then suddenly blaming other forces for it no good it they did it now they're touting iran and they're. basically using the saudis to control the sunni population.

and most important of all just trying the social infrastructure of that country that is will hit disaster doubtless i'm as my friend near me climbed calls it that it's all day here in iraq they just strolling to an entire country and if you think about it today where the entire world is thinking about corona virus i have absolutely no doubt and i can say this with confidence that the health service created by the iraqi series of iraqi governments was one of the best in the middle east in order to be much better able to cope with this resident the moment in iraq a wall that triggered off another wall. in the region. syrian. war there created massive movement of populations. soon refugees this

war is still going on and even worse all of. them and she is appealing to the united states to withdrew all its troops from the region and is being ignored you talk to many iraqis to do of all political persuasions and they will say openly we are much better off under us and that is what they say can i just say can i guess a dowry if anyone thinks you're an apologist for saddam hussein you made me work on a program in the eighty's about thatcher's support for saddam hussein what is it like actually personally given that you came under pressure for that channel of our program because he was an ally of britain and then over the if it's which is a matter for folks we would join for cham for if you remember who was the architect chair of fear and we were it was an ultra political program showing those who built these gigantic monumental statues of

a model from so the old arms went like this and dominated. especially in the military areas the parade grounds and we were doing a critical piece of this and we came under a lot of pressure not to do it i remember i should when you or someone else researching that program wrapped up the company in basingstoke in an area in the middle of. which did the baddies big arms made created them and then shipped the monster but it's out of this and why ain't going to sets of credibly. so many of us who are true critical of. when he was actually in our. work then attacked for opposing a iraq war you live in a stranger. priorities are decided by your rules and decided depending on whom the

united states a settled on as the enemy of the month and disses become an enemy of the poor need to get its i mean if you think about the iraq war that american soldiers are still that libya has been destroyed that syria is trying to recover from an horrific civil war then afghanistan is still occupied all of these holes have lasted longer than the 1st and 2nd world wars book to get and they carry on and what it angers me is that citizens in most of the western world a europe north america sleep or kerry day basically ignore a lot their governments and their countries have been doing to the middle east which isn't as stated of. refrig destruction on many many

levels politically socially economically culturally in the palestinians left with absolutely nothing and the 2 basically supported by the united states israel. and egypt receiving huge subsidies to this dig for acquiescing and want has been happening. since an inverse rebound all souls of. monsters are emerging from the aftermath of this war people who say attack isis it's the ones group who created it did it come about al qaeda was not present in iraq under saddam was that it went in with the american troops and the troops of other countries supporting them so it's it's not difficult to do to draw dire. but really the meaning of both of

those years ago and the state of the middle east that britain in the united states of course to this day completely did i created nice. stop you there more from after this short break. thinking of getting a new puppy once we got in here she comes around why does he know it's still trapped in this tiny little wired we don't need a crate with him he walled. freaking out into the wall when it's pretty much anywhere near. reading dogs or caged in in human conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in cages outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the courtier the rain the snow the thunder nothing they have no protection. for you. it's 2 kids.

across the u.s. cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from these large scale factory farming kind of operations are being stuck in stores even joined a group businesses are involved like cargill and mom center there has been a shocking amount of the organizing opposition to efforts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog. welcome back i'm still here with tariq ali you were speaking at rallies the largest global demonstration in history was against the iraq war last does it not show that protest marches do not stop war. it was like the one that happened 17 years ago

today and what difference was iraq to vietnam because obviously mick jagger and the rolling stone sang about your opposition to the vietnam war how is it different i think the main difference is in what happened to the world in the ninety's in my opinion the fact that the soviet union collapsed that china and the way it did created 8 here in trade of game our ally station even amongst people who basically didn't support these governments but saw them as creating a space between 2 power blocs and in that space we can all function and live and be critical of one euro side and we want to do once that counterbalance disappeared the united states of the game ve had a monic power in the global scale and people follow them and alternatives that the

iraq iraq war demonstration in my opinion was the 1st sign that people were searching for something else 1st day by saying don't make war on iraq and these demonstrations were huge in your but if we look back on it over a 1000000 people in london 2000000 people in madrid nearly 3000000 in rome over 200002 new york hundreds of thousands all over the phone ship cargo every american city in provincial capital state capital was he in fact in an affected by a desire to stop the war they were ignored and one reason they were ignored is that they had no following and little support in parliament when you have the republicans and the democrats waging war. and supporting it when you have too many

black band prime minister in britain the conservative opposition supporting the war then you know you can have 2 or 3000000 people and you know that it's a reality of it and been never came out again and those numbers i remember saying at the big demonstration and. we're all trying to fight against the war don't imagine it won't take place or words to that effect and really moral for you if this started bombing where we didn't we couldn't then also hand but effectively they got away with it but it will be wrong to draw from this the conclusion their protest is useless it may not always be effective but creating a different public opinion is extremely important i am not now and nothing's being

us and these really occupation has been sanctified by a crime back and terror de facto by the european union days no chance of the palestinians getting any form of state even the most not in the. present time nothing happens the world is. that total ghetto completely wrecked by disease the palestinian authority has got so used to collaboration with these really that they basically don't know what to do when they oppose what's playing now they participated in creating this situation where the british well there's not a marketplace that's what i say but that doesn't mean we stop arguing your baiting mobilising i mean life would be awful if one just became well the british the labor party his ministers obviously committed us to war in iraq 17 years ago obviously.

protecting israel arguably after the after the jeremy corbyn years why do you think that this same labor party as it were is so keen to re-invite people who are associated with the iraq war back even to the party including i mean care started a leading figure once tony blair's head of war propaganda alistair campbell back in the labor party is this opposition party does it understand what you've been saying there well i think there are 2 things one has to see about the labor party while is the insurrection on little girl insurrection of the young country and we call bill interim our hour as fracture. in my opinion and momentum became exclusively current machine if not exclusively 80 percent of it through our low there mick in addition to that also doing a lot of political campaigning political education etc so they're actually the

strength of traditional live gruesome which is that the only thing we do is win the election is now back in falls the left was given a chance the left was defeated not even going to ask him. searching for why the left was defeated refusing to accept their need was because labor joined him all the parliamentary moorings to prevent a referendum from being implemented to peer starmer let me just say obviously associated according to the un with the persecution of julian a sudden change from whom and because of whom we know so much more about iraq than we have a did back then how frightened are you for julian assange can i just as the founder of wiki leaks given he's in belmarsh prison and governors of prisons in this country obviously are worried about the spread of coronavirus i'm extremely worried about truly moon for many many. i mean initially it seemed that they were imposing

a regime regina on him in that prison which could have led to him know the deaths that his order number of doctors said and then the governor of the prison. brutish rager who none of the judges wanted to try to change because it's not needle that's the governor's domain which is not that good for breast baring befall them is not in effect state to give evidence they have every right to challenge. the governor of the prince who julian is deliberately being mistreated the case is completely manufactured new smells so the u.n. report on torture has made a very powerful intervention saying that the what took place in sweden when he was accused of rape something you always deny was offending crap and processed and designed to discredit him and lose or we close relatively successful i think many

people seem to prove that but the fact is that this accusation against judea on security matters is completely bizarre and everyone else it is the americans know it's the only when they can get him back into the states the british and know that this is a political decision it has nothing to do with the law and i'm going along with it and i hope that some sense prevails when the case goes to the supreme court and this concrete because it is quite shocking what has happened to julian i hope years dharma said were to go to mess a many many years ago has learnt a few lessons. from that and i think this is something wait show even boris johnson who is being the most of his life we journalists should understand if you

agree to. what the americans are asking you to do i mean today it's a very. exposed war crimes tomorrow it could affect other journalists who spose other things which the united states didn't want to expose me americans all already have said washington is dead any foreign journalists the u.s. constitution doesn't apply to them so they can pick anyone up and they're over to washington to be crying since most governments do their bidding any certainly the torture has been written about people who watch our interviews with meals melter the un special rapporteur on torture better if one can forgive a media in a coronavirus crisis for not covering the sun is not covering the the continued bombing of iraq backed by britain of by the united states in the past few days. there is that this nation being passed through parliament and if it's not martial

law its military immunity legislation. what do you think about why boris ransom is keen on personal immunity for british soldiers is it somehow emblematic of british intervention 3 mile island to iraq absolutely. clear you want to stay out late a situation where british soldiers are immune from. prosecution i mean this is something we've fought against in many countries where the miller crizal salute the camilla grew shouldn't out these days it's a big court against in the united states where many and you wark to be as $12.00 u.s. officers involved in massacres from be it ma'am on what's charged to cry. it is still done to those who the west regards it as the enemies the international criminal court functions just as a court for those who are guarded as enemies of the west so it's i don't own

a circle of what is going on well just finally in the when it comes to colonial legacies kashmir is of course a colonial legacy and the sudan the indian government has again put it under total lockdown we had the high commissioner on this show said it was being freed up a little of course it is the center of a nuclear possible nuclear conflict just tell me what you think about our coronavirus for instance can be used as an excuse to do all sorts of things by different governments but especially what on earth is happening in kashmir sheer is . the highest incidence of grunow iris afflictions anywhere in india. and the recent focus is that large numbers of fisheries are in prison many are in concentration camps not being given medical aid. from some of the reports out of calls from friends being left to

die and the world. stays silent because the world today's world likes know in their own body and the be shippey because they are of global strategic planning. on many issues so the schmear is being ignored the lock down on me took place many months ago when india abandoned its own constitution and effectively said made respect to be integrated and the rest of india very few protests i mean made if you protest but they were pretty due to very few are countries backed. me course so the question remains like that as to me and some today very isolated and you know one feels for them and the other thing on this i have to say is that

i'm very glad there's an opposition in indiana resistance on the new citizenship more d. is implemented and this is quite deep in many provinces but all those people who defend most losen the citizenship law have remained not all but maybe most of those have remained silent on the question me and the reason they remain silent is because question here is regarded as a security issue because of terrorism immigration which don't play as many years ago and stopped many years ago to by and large so in the end speak up on that issue mean or as far as bush you mean it is. terrible silence as both haiti and i mean beacons we don't live in it i mean i movie if i did live it name is very noticeable how little solidarity there has been with us overseas invite the high

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