mr hammer on more about winning an appeals court hearing what some call the worst miscarriage of justice you k. legal history all of them all coming up in today's going underground fast let's go straight to a hospital in modern era where we're joined via skype by dr giovanni grell the infectious disease specialist was at the forefront of the italian fight against corona virus thank you so much giovanni coming on what is the current situation in northern italy where your good morning well this equation is pretty hard because of course we've got hundreds of people that have got to you think should try to go to the hospital of course that this is feasible we've got it for it's all best soap a situation a trying to understand which kind of the arch we need to do so that to to cure people that whole when possible and with. just patients who got rescued after the stress so of course it's a difficult situation sometimes we ask a patient to step or line in a couple of days they will come anyhow because they are getting worse off in the least told the change because of it i doubt that they will because at least

emergency we had to change in this structure and so far in my hospital there are more than 100 beds just for positive cases waiting near morning and we've got to close all this good rule in order to a larger they tend to care unit where risky or tory i need a daughter to take here oakdale younger population of course with regard to rape all difficult lation this is not seasonable and we are trying to use noninvasive or it's peter torry technique just get can i get on to the respiratory techniques you're a few weeks ahead of us here in britain i understand or see over here we're appealing in britain for manufacturers to come out with ventilators i understand the use of ventilators is something you've been particularly wary of you have to be careful clinically about the use of ventilators yes we need to of 2 to identify the patient what got us all to need to survive using them to date on that one but that will not because i were experiences that. whenever you need that information with mechanical

ventilation but using beat it later actually this is need it for quite a long time or most of the time more than 2 weeks time and it's also this is very difficult if you are old if you've got many cool b.t.s. because it may happen that you die because other people were p.t.s. rather than crowing about it a b. star particular kind of our circle of b.s. because this disease produces a huge england nation burden and of course of dismay people with high tide about risk of people you mention inflammation the national health service here in britain has been criticised for advising people to use ibuprofen is it your understanding that it's paracetamol you're supposed to be taking i don't see that will like to proof it is obvious and thank sought this kind all and good laboratory drugs that do not think they do not cease to work or coronavirus so actually what we aren't you is that it's let me say it 2nd level and it throughout or it routes of which

are more look all of the body about this is not going to do with this let me say calmly use under an arbitrary trucks that should not be yours that you can use as it will in order to go well if you but but also reminded most of the time that he became coronavirus you're born if not that high and if anyone thinks that washing one's hands is a seems like an odd response all the mathematical modeling does show it will save millions of people from being infected yes of course if it did any it will grow up the birth to be very clear that didn't meet a root of transmission is through droplet i do not a quote a drop let them most effectively debate for east la she hands 2nd is using mask this works there's no doubt about the editor of the peer reviewed british medical journal the lancet says the response here in britain was wrong and that. the

outbreak has been entirely preventable what did you make of what you were hearing from britain when the chief scientific science advisor here's a patrick vallance who formerly worked at j.f.k. said herd immunity is the path to go down we now know that entails the deaths of quarter of a 1000000 people if you are already in a situation in which it's a cold muni acquired the only way that we need it to do is a tool up for your conduct this is a general principle and it's i just see this to our all white cotton docked we're getting reports of a lack of testing kits of protective again for frontline medical staff here in london the epicenter of the pandemic in britain how can we learn from what happened in italy where thousands died about the need for testing which of course the world health organization has advised britain to get a move on with according to the level of it yannick you must concentrate on testing or rather just food to eat or quantity because they now isolation nowadays so be it

be to make this. high that actually we relied more on it symptoms rather than our test set also because we will never have become passive to test all the population regarding how to treat expression how to treat the toll that there supports that it is equally in providing whole care providers to all they protective measures i would sell for any intensity in intensive care unit we use of the same towards that the same i'm asked for one single chair 9 we use the surgery must on the top because we don't have that i protected mastic to be changed every patient many doctors especially in that territory says that we had a normal ask that we cannot go to those of the patients at whole but of course and this is a biggie ship for us because otherwise all of it should we come too close to go out and we will not have the capacity to treat them all ok just finally in very briefly obviously a lot of repercussions of that of investment in. italian health service and health

services across the european union have that you had any cases of those who have been infected by go over 1000 who have recovered from covert 19 and then have been reinfected not so far nevertheless and there's a lot of uncertainty about how much is protected. even unity provided by 1st grown up iris to take ships because of the time that we are just testing if the virus is present we are not testing which antibodies are predictable or with cellular immunity is predictive of loss the 1st search is ongoing not god and the course of this will be crucial as soon as the docs it will be available in order to forecast at the level of protection that will be provided by dots nation it's crucial to dogs how much we will be able to box a little bit local a should and to what extent of this box it will be effective in order to avoid and this is the scene that you just will turn to be

a suitable disease like employment of the giovanni growled a thank you my bush well while the global pandemic may threaten millions it is billions were threatened by another catastrophe arguably not being properly prepared for by earth richest nations joining me now is extinction rebellions dr richard reid ribble welcome back to going underground you're not directly for extinction rebellion the area wearing a hat and i give them a cat and before we even start when it comes to this crisis you've effectively been criticizing the same a b.b.c. coverage of the boris johnson administration response presuming it is public information is going to be vital in this crisis absolutely the government has not been publicizing its models they are now emerging very late in the day that's not acceptable we need full transparency we need a lot more information about coronavirus that we have because there are 3 doing any testing in this country similarly in the united states the numbers that we have on the pandemic or. estimates because of the incredibly low number of tests and

because so many people who have coronavirus are asymptomatic for quite a while while they have and while their infectious sewage the volunteers. chief scientific advisor submerging valence will say well you don't know that because we haven't had the and this is just a. competition when people like the editor of the lancet making extraordinary claims that somehow this was entirely preventable because of the herd immunity response look we know for sure that the numbers are a hell of a lot higher than the official numbers we don't know exactly what they are but we know there are a lot higher now in terms of the prince ability of this richard horton the editor of the lancet is exactly correct many scientists have been warning for some time and i come at this from the perspective of the precautionary principle the idea that when we don't know something we want to protect ourselves against what we don't know in the case of this emergency this virus it's unprecedented we don't

know what effects it has we don't know for example whether it might have neurological effects where that might leave permanent lung damage we don't know a great deal about how it's transmitted yet we're gradually finding out but there's a lot we don't know ok but help until the living to let me just finish the point when we when we don't know that kind of stuff we need to on the side of safety that's what it is to be precautious and that is exactly what the you cane us governments have not been doing they haven't been keeping us safe all the provinces father so early georgia says that he will still go to the public in any case but i think the government would say they were earning on the side of caution when they saw that a herd immunity response would kill courtroom 1000000 people in britain this term herd immunity i think it was a very honest to be using their idea was let's let this pandemic rip through the population and try to control it from hitting the most vulnerable we try to keep them this had the likely consequence as you say that we could have hundreds of fans . thousands of people dying in this country now why would any government do that

let me put something quite controversial here i believe that the only way it could make sense for somebody to think of doing that is if they didn't enormously think of themselves as part of this heard that was going to be knowingly infected with the disease knowingly recklessly endangering the population and i would claim thinking that they themselves would be part of that percentage of the population that were not going to be infected ok well the harvard school of public health. how did seem to agree with using it was it was but why is it then that the b.b.c. certainly is reporting new the science is changed that's why boris johnson has changed his advice to the british population as regards going out of doors so the imperial results that the government is changing your goal of building material college. they are new in themselves but the substance of what they're saying is

precisely what the lancet was saying 2 months ago is precisely what nassim taleb and i have been saying for weeks on end a back of an envelope calculation shows that hundreds of thousands are at risk from this virus if you let it hit most of the population do the same and data brokers are the main broadcaster in this country is wrong about the science having changed the problem with the b.b.c. coverage is that they've been and the i.t.v. coverage is that they've been far too deferential towards the state they've said things like for example well boris johnson is for only following the scientific advice because of course he goes out there flanked by the chief medical officer and the chief scientific adviser but that doesn't mean they're making the policy the policy was very influenced for example by the knowledge of psychology unit that is close to 10 downing street who were saying look you're not going to be able to convince people to. socially isolate the long periods of time therefore you've got

to wait before you impose that those kinds of restrictions but that was groundless what we've actually seen wonderfully over the last week is the british population moving ahead of the government and saying look it's just not good enough we're not convinced that you're keeping us safe anymore we are bringing the government into line and we are bringing the broadcasters into line actually the science all the way along different scientists been saying different things the safe thing to do the precautions thing to do was never to put the whole population into a kind of massive uncontrolled experiment no where else in the world was planning to do this i'm here in london with you afshin and there are still flights taking off from from london airport from city airport except for those flights are because london is an epicenter now those flights are spreading the virus around this country and as we speak just finally very briefly i know that it's insurer bellina curbing some of the. demonstrations i understand there's a whistle blowing project in case anyone watching this program was to give you

information that could help not only regarding corona virus but on fossil fuel emissions globally yeah so we had this site it's called truthteller dot life w w w dot to tell a dog life and the idea is if there are secrets that are lurking in any pharmaceutical company in any bank and any insurance company whatever it might be in government get them out the public need and deserve to know about threats to their safety on this or any issue professor richard reid thank you after the break who's really just blame for the lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people on british soil we speak just a lister our own words working to clear the name of the only man ever to be convicted for the ukase worst terror attack all the more going on with what you have going on the ground.

well that's a common 19 pandemic changed the international system now have the u.s. trying to relations been altered and is the west experiencing buyer's remorse. welcome back in the past few days as the coronavirus crisis began to dominate international news the scottish criminal cases review commission made a decision about the biggest of a terror attack on british soil the bereaved have been campaigning for justice for over 3 decades since the lockerbie bombing which killed $270.00 people after pan am flight 103 crashed the only man ever to be convicted was a libyan intelligence officer mcgrath he but now there is to be a posthumous appeal joining me now from our studio in glasgow is an astronomer unworried lodged an appeal on behalf of mcgrath his family and has described his

conviction as the worst miscarriage of justice in british legal history thank you so much on my for coming on just before we get to lockerbie i've got to ask you because corona virus is obviously in the ed lines you helped. put the murdoch news of the world out of business its successor the sun on sunday came out that's the chose that output by one of the top scientific adviser on coronavirus to boris johnson what do you make of using murdoch outlets for information i think is a as a little pool boy most people would find that shocking i think the fact that the government is repeatedly using. one particular newspaper. called the health a few days ago used to telegraph a pay wall in order to put public information out is simply not acceptable all newspapers all t.v. stations should be getting exactly the same information that should be given favoritism to one but i think it's it's outrageous and i and i'm the process and the result of course is that they are cutting off parts of society that refused to buy such papers but also a museum for. nation is not getting goats in

a uniform fashion and it is scaring people i have older parents who are scared at reading what they see tippets in the news and tabloids is simply an example is not the way a reasonable rational well informed government should be behaving it's shocking in fairness of our sons in government i'm sure they say they are rectifying some of the problems before we obviously invite the barkly brothers owners of the telegraph and rupert murdoch on the show but let's get the lockerbie a lot of people are going to think that this case was done and dusted over 20 allez deal with the late more maga daffy what exactly is this case and why are you were pressing it given that al mcgrady has been convicted of this case he was of course 1st accused by a cia asset in libya back in the days when great get halfway around the one of the richest countries in africa per capita while it on the 21st december 1988 pan am flight 103 exploded over lockerbie the town of lockerbie and $270.00 people from 21

countries lost their lives this was the as you said it's a tale it was the greatest terrorist atrocity to take place on u.k. soil and what it means as many people have said to us why 30 or over 31 years later should be trying to take this back to the appeal court and it's as simple as this if there was a reversal of the verdict it would mean that the britain britain and the united states and the security services have been living a monumental lie for some 31 years they incarcerated an innocent man and they punished the libyan people for a crime they did not commit and many people have for a long time pointed the finger of blame at the to run and stated that they were responsible that they carried out a revenge attack when the americans murdered some several 100 iranians on an air bus 6 months before the lockerbie attack and yet for some reason the finger of blame then shifted when the 1st gulf war came along and it seemed an opportunity.

meant to treat libya which was a pariah state and to point the finger of blame about when they needed support from syria and from iran for the 1st gulf war no the bottom line here remains that mr macgregor he did actually start his appeal there was strong grounds of appeal and the process started and then in 2009 when he was diagnosed with cancer pressure was placed upon him and he reasonably believed that unless he gave up his appeal he would not be allowed to return home to die with his to die in the presence of his family that was an unfortunate that was a horrific way to deal an individual who had already been incarcerated for a crime he did not commit and then he subsequently died and people for that was the end of the chapter in 2014 i met with the british relatives who are unique in legal history anywhere i can see in the world have supported the victims you know as victims' family members have supported members of the accused the convicted and the mcgrath the family agree done in unison decided that we should try to take this

case back to the court so it's been nearly 6 years of work we submitted an application to be getting that was refused and this time around the application succeeded and the scottish criminal cases review commission said that it was on the basis of an unreasonable decision any jury would have taken and also did non-disclosure of evidence and you know the fingerprints of the american security services the british security services the u.k. government and the british government are all over this i don't really have hidden the what to actually took place and then the only place to decide the guilt or innocence of mr magara elmaghraby is of course in the scottish appeal court where we will be going a jew course ok i want to get also to the reprisal allegations concerning iran of course the united states killed $290.00 people on a civilian airliner the u.s.s. vincennes attack but this thing to what you just said because some people are going to be asking we can't get m i 5 and my 6 officers on the show unless why on earth then would mamma get up have accepted that mcgrath he did the. he'd and it was just

to unfreeze bank accounts relieve sanctions and get a privatized british b.p. to get an oil deal well i mean i can't i can't answer for mr gadhafi. what the bottom line here is that there has to mean much disclosure over the years of the shenanigans of the british and the americans who have always been desperate to get their hands on oil who've been desperate to tie up arms and weapons deals you know tony blair the deal in the desert and at the end of the day if your country has been subjected to economic sanctions and your people are suffering and you see a way out of it then of course a sacrificial lamb will be offered up that's the way that the mcgrath family and many people both the british relatives and the libyan people see it and 31 years later the question the questions that remain of this case must be unset. i think it's pretty obvious that for anybody who's viewed how the british and the americans have acted with regards to the middle east and i still continues to this day one only needs to look at what's happening in iraq one only needs to see what's

happening with iran how. these authorities are these regimes in britain and america deal with that when it comes to you know the profits when it comes to the hands of oil or gas lines with there will be willing to do anything or not that bought the topic not applies to the question of lockerbie ok and indeed britain did support the united states bombing of iraq killing iraqi soldiers and police and civilian just last week but surely the last time around when mcgrady was convicted the evidence was unheard of f.b.i. agents there u.s. helicopters of the law can be seen a violation of the integrity of the crime scene as alleged by the lawyer actually who now represents julian assange. has evidence of a cia operative on the flight all this evidence wasn't at the time before a verdict on mcgrath he's guilty as may well one of the crucial pieces of evidence that the man and i'm just quite wide range would be impossible for me to explain you know we had 451 pages delivered to my office last week. by the scottish

criminal kuwait cases review commission so that found the basis of it we have pieces we have evidence that would fill 2 floors of a building but if you look at one crucial piece of evidence which was not disclosed to the defense of the type and as the evidence of mr gates a man who owned a shop who fingered pointed the finger of blame mama. and said that he was the person who brought the call vague in his shop some 10 years later 12 years later he pointed them in and subsequently what we find out once a clase is closed once guilt is pronounced is that this man was offered in the region of $2000000.00 money offered also to his brother to identify mr. mr mr mehlman groggy and that he got this wrong on a number of occasions he was shown photographs he was shown magazines he was wined and dined and he was brought to give evidence now in any other normal murder trial if it was revealed to the defense that an individual has been told on the basis of their evidence if he points at the right person and accuses them of murder then them that trial would be flown out and it would be an inquiry an investigation into

the police the security says anybody that i don't try to offer a bribe or in juice me to a witness yet in this case the worst case of mass murder on u.k. soil none of that happened there was no disclosure and the the commission delivered a damning indictment of the role of the crone and others who were involved in this piece of evidence not just one crucial piece of evidence that we hope to take back to the appeal court and of course there are there are many other pieces about this is a present some of them to some of the witnesses that you might desire to have in the appeal stage presumably some of them have died i mean for instance there's a man called ma increase that too was a bomb maker reputedly again according to a lawyer because it worked with the militant group backed by iran the disrespected he was an undercover jordanian intelligence agent apparently jordan's intelligence services link to the cia what will you be able to get him i mean is going to develop as a solicitor to get any of these people to testify. because of that that's true

enough times of that but what we need to remember is that the appeal is not a rerun of the trial you know we have several groans of appeal that we would wish to to launch the commission appointed to but some many of the grounds have been incorporated into question of an unreasonable verdict but in the case of mr gates he's dead however we still have what evidence he gave in the question for the commission the question for the appeal court would be to decide is it reasonable to have allowed the evidence critical evidence of an individual like this on the answer we suspect would be no that is why the commission has referred it back to the appeal court so you don't much need to resurrect the date to able to come to court but we won't be going to court to stand up and produce evidence that let's say another country was responsible or that this was all we required to show is that the verdict was unreasonable that the non-disclosure of the evidence meant that this conviction was unsafe and as a result of which you know mr al macgraw he should have a miscarriage of justice and that conviction should be overturned and that would also apply to the people of libya and the libyan people you know and the country

that have suffered so much as a result of this you know the pariah state always when you mention the name of god when i speak to their family the name is always one of attached to the lockerbie bomber when you speak to libyan people they say they always they are attached to the lockerbie bombing this is important it's about rett it's about rectifying history and he said by actually asking the questions of the british and americans why did you do this you know why did you light your own people why did you like to 21 countries why did you conduct such a cover and still has reverberations throughout the globe to today and it's about making sure that those policies are corrected and people are held to account do you have to prove that the evidence not being disclosed because of it i'm on a line motive or could it be accidental i'm just thinking that they will be looking for motive surely and the most you know it has been floated is that mrs thatcher was told by george w. bush george herbert walker bush sorry to keep the lockerbie investigation located even. after they had already got suspects for the for the terror attack well.

i don't think is a case of that we need to require to find a motive they dishy was if there is non-disclosure they're not critical to defense if the kremlin failed to tell the defense a crucial piece of evidence that might clear the accused they're not that's that's all that counts it doesn't matter about their motivation but of course you're quite right and i even today when last week 451 pages landed on my desk and i opened the you know the documents and i skimmed through them and all of a sudden i saw a black redacted pages and i asked the commission what's this and what we find out was that even to today that the united states government the british government the federal republic of germany and security services had refused to disclose information that they relate to the commission and i got them to give an undertaking to say that would that would not be disclosed to defense so whilst information was provided to the commission as a result of which the commission said no we believe there is a serious risk of a miscarriage of justice and this should be referred by to be oh we were not given

privy we were not given access to the information of course we will fight for that information but that's we can put that to the site because the bottom line really comes down to this if there's a piece of information it's relate to court as evidence and the 3 judges are not able to see the information and therefore you know come to a considered decision in the same way that judy what they're not means that there is a miscarriage of justice and that is all that is required to be done in that courtroom on that day saying that. he should never ever have been convicted of the worst act of murder on british soil or on i thank you thank you that said i want your favorite episode of the most recent season of going underground will continue your show your favorite episode of the web back on wednesday the 22nd of april until then try to keep safe and make sure to join me on the ground by following of the you tube twitter facebook instagram and sometimes.

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around the world live from central london this is all to u.k. . the government promises to ramp up clone of ours testing in care homes amid fears the disease is running wild among residents and staff that's is cancer centers across the country antibody testing if i'm professor carl sykora the former w h o director who is at the forefront of the initiative. u.k.'s top trade negotiator and he's been called upon to settled a time table for talks says the italian prime minister admits the e.u. is that risk of collapse amidst the crisis. also this hour report reveals a almost hauffe of self employed people they will not have enough money to cover basic costs i'll be talking to a self-employed painter and decorator the next. prince

of corona virus within the adult kids system on nearly unavoidable according to the government but more testing is being promised within the senate it comes as charities in the opposition raise concerns of a growing health crisis in care homes that is being emitted from official figures he said and he joins me now live with all of the details here in the studio so firstly how is the governor responded to the calls for more testing. well we've seen the government come in for criticism on a number of levels when it comes to testing general population and of course frontline n.h.s. stuff but this latest criticism that they've had to respond to is in regards to care homes and leave said that they will now start testing residents and workers at all the care homes around the country now that comes out handcock the health section has said that those who have left hospital and are moving into social care

will also start being tested for covert 19. throughout this crisis we've been working credibly hard to protect people in social cat and today we can now use that everybody going from hospital into social care will be tested will be isolated well as the result of that test comes through because that helps to protect people who are in social care who are after all some of the most vulnerable people in the country now all of this comes as we've seen the number of care providers who are calling for those tests and it also follows the release of documents by the office for national statistics at the o.m.'s who say that up until the date of april the 3rd 217 people have been recorded as having died after testing positive for covert 19 in care homes now of course that is 12 days ago so that number in reality is expected to be much higher now we've also been hearing from yvonne doyle she's the

medical director of public health in them and she says that the stats such as those that are being released weekly by the ins should be released daily. we are working with you and us to actually speed that up so that we do get quicker information as you know the daily death we would very much like to have it's a bit more complicated for care homes because although over 9 out of 10 deaths do occur still in hospital in the community there's a range of places where they occur including in care homes but not just there in hospices and at home indeed as well and in these very dispersed systems we just need to be absolutely clear that the cause of that is attribute is correct and that is what takes time on the death certificate to get it right but we would like to have much more. on preferably on a daily basis and that's what we're working towards. and he said any word on when the lockdown could be lifted or we haven't got any official word yet but we are

expecting an update some more by government officials the reports that the extension or the lockdown will be extended by 3 weeks taking it up to may the 7th now we're also getting news that arlene foster's declared that in northern ireland the country will also have a 3 week station for their lock down there so that might be an indicator of what we're expecting here in london early in the rest of the u.k. when it comes to the extension of the lockdown and we've been hearing from the leader of the opposition kids starmer he's saying that the government should release their exit plan for the end of the lockdown on the 30th date but suggestions as to will it be schools that will be opening will some businesses be allowed to open and so on and so forth but number 10 have said that's not possible we've also been hearing from the chief medical officer chris with to use advised that it's not possible to do that and that number 10 shouldn't be looking at any

exit plan until we've reached the peak of this crisis he said thanks very much for all of that and for more reaction on testing in care homes i'll be joined in the next hour by the chair of the national association another potential tool in the fight against the virus is the creation and rolled out of antibody tests to test detective somebody has already recovered from the virus and therefore could now be immune however the development of such a test in the u.k. has been held up by a shortage of blood samples from those who have recovered is is in part due to the british outbreak still being in its early stages and it can take several weeks for patients to develop immunity questions also surround the chances of re infection and how long immunity to the disease last after a person recovers a man who's paving the way for the road out of such tests as professor carol sykora he joined me earlier and he said that watching what happens in other countries further ahead in the pandemic is a good step moving forward. we've heard about the tests for the virus usually you

know the swab or throat swab these tests a fingerprint of blood or sometimes a include the innocent removal from an elm they collect the blood take it to the lab the kit form of the test can be done low can it point to catch us who can call them done within 15 minutes you get a readout on the strip and just like a pregnancy test the question is their reliability and the brill problem we're screening all ostroff we run a series of tents the centers we screening or last off to try and find out what the prevalence of having had the virus is now the pandemic is about $4.00 to $6.00 weeks old or crumble is the antibody response takes about 4 weeks to actually go to the top of its peak and it lasts for about 2 or 3 weeks of the chop then it falls it's enormously variable both on the strength of the response and the timing of that response so all the world says what it's like a pregnancy test that's pretty all or nothing this is not this is much more subtle

we want to find out home and if astafy have got hanted bodies that's means they had care of it and they're safe to go back to are that's the point they've had it and they're safe to go back to work and yet we have seen reports of people can get the virus a 2nd time and that the antibodies may develop but in fact not for very long. exactly and so what we're doing what people around the world are doing that using these kits in situations like austria we're following for european countries that yesterday morning came partially out of luck and a slow progressive way young people small shops small businesses open 1st keep the vulnerable elderly secluded then gradually go through all schools primary school was 1st then secondary schools then universities going up the age spectrum and studying what happens both to the virus. and to the immune response to the virus

and i think the combination of that data will guide us we're about 2 to 3 weeks behind in the cycle of the pandemic compared to germany compared to austria czech republic so we'll watch what happens there with great interest monitor it and then we can adapt to any idea when we might see a return to what we might call is normal that we have a return to normal so sage scientific advisory group on emergencies meets today and tomorrow tomorrow they'll have to make a decision with ministers having sifting through the evidence i do that will be conclusive they'll say sometime in the next 3 to 4 weeks i'd like to see it i would say 2 weeks from now monday the 27th of april that would be reasonable to aim for let's give people optimism we can always pull back if the data look bad we'll say ok sorry people we're going to have to wait another week. britain's top trade negotiator and he you can't appoint a meeting to thrash out

a timeline for future talks david frost and michel barnier will discuss negotiating a deal remotely joining the lock down period boris johnson has been vocal about maintaining the deadline of december 31st but some officials have dubbed the rigid timetable fantasyland at least letter from germany's ambassador to the islands concerns over the books capacity for remote negotiations. well michael clue said that the council secretary advice for one video conference each day as there aren't enough facilities for more the ability to carry out work is also decreased to 25 percent and he's also raised the issue of confidentiality and the lack of interpreter over video link downing street has said that the deadline is enshrined in law therefore the government will continue to work towards it meanwhile the italian prime minister said e.u. member states need to work together and find a financial solution to help lessons you also expressed concern over the possibility of europe failing itself. there is this risk if we don and seize the

opportunity to good new life into the european project the risk is real that's why i want to lower to materialize i want to banish it. it is former europe minister something because he told me earlier that some countries in europe still need to adapt as the world is changing but there is a very intensive debate within the council and notably within the eurozone but the debate is a new one is not the old debate between north and south as during the crisis i would say that there's a debate between allows majority of gallantries to each see the stance of fortune seen and seen this they need to make it different this time compared to the past that and that there is more group of counties i said than that that land also have feet on which i have never meant anything to your lives yet that war is changing and the europe must adapt or to this new context following the break up of the girl in the virus crisis what about the institution itself some are concerned about the

very survival of the european union as it stands i wash convience the c.s. in my election even before that the you young needs a substantial reform and very deep regret for process because it is clear that on some aspect which do not talk of the euro group in my view it doesn't work. then you are that europe doesn't that mean nothing about that in the industry sector in the had sector so what was important before the cries this to me it is began an absolutely necessary so on one side there is the as for the american scene and so far even we do we have been talking about the aspect of the american c. of the coronavirus crowd in this the are the issue either institutional and democratic recovery which is a steal a white page of it white pages that need stated to be a good written sort or just very quickly if you don't mind those all important trade talks between the e.u. and the u.k. is the deadline achievable are we heading for

a no deal breaks it would make us very difficult in my view is that it difficult now to achieve the deadline so either the u.k. ask for a full. broner negotiation and u.k. steve can do it by the end of june not all i think is going to be very difficult to do it would be substantially by the end of the year. let's now take a look at the latest figures here in the u.k. over 98000 have tested positive for coated 90761 more people of saudi lost their lives in the past 24 hours bringing the total to over 12800 and across the world the number of cases has passed the 2000000 mark and according to johns hopkins university over 128000 deaths have been recorded that globally meanwhile there were half a 1000000 have made a recovery the world health organization has advised all countries to wait 2 weeks before easing restrictions as a phased approach will reduce the risk of new outbreaks. still to come this

campaign is one that conflict affected countries such as ye men are facing 2 emergencies a humanitarian crisis and the impact of the corona virus a new report reveals that almost whole of the self employed people worry they will not have enough money to cover basic costs between the self employed painter and decorator shortly. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see if.

the world is driven by shaped by one percent of those credits. in a day or thinks. we dare to ask. how is the global 19 pandemic changed the international system only have the u.s. trying to relations been altered and is the west experiencing buyer's remorse when games think.

president trump has to suspend the u.s. funding to the world health organization he accuses the u.n. agency of mishandling the coronavirus pandemic and supporting what he calls china's disinflation trouble sick uses the w.h.o. of mistakes which led to many deaths the united states accounts for more than a 5th of the budget i'm instructing my administration to halt. funding of the world health organization while a review is conducted to assess the world. health organization's role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the corona virus us president donald trump has announced that he is cutting u.s. funding to the world health organization accusing the organization of conspiring with the government of china to suppress important information related to the corona virus pandemic in the middle of january it parroted in publicly endorse the

idea that there was not human to human transmission happening despite reports and clear evidence to the contrary that delays the w.h.o. experience. in declaring a public health emergency costs valuable time this decision and previous statements by president trump regarding china and the world health organization has been widely criticized around the world many have argued that the united states is essentially politicizing the world health organization w.h.o. the organization that does so much vital and important humanitarian work at a very moment when their work is really needed and it has been warned by leaders of the world health organization that this decision could result in body bags deaths could come about as a result of donald trump's decisions please don't politicize this virus it exploits the differences you have at the national level if you want to

be exploited and if you want to have many more of. what he bugs. then you do it now it's also important to note that republicans in the u.s. congress and announce they plan a congressional probe a hearing to investigate china for its role and possible culpability in the spread of coronavirus so it seems that from the trumpet ministration and republicans there is a strong feeling that china is somehow responsible for the global pandemic and that world health organization and many international bodies may have whopper rated with them in causing this kind of problem now critics are pointing to this and saying this is a massive conspiracy theory this is an attempt to distract from the failures of the united states when it comes to dealing with this pandemic but many of the voices on the republican side of the aisle and surrounding the trumpet ministration are adamant that china is to blame and the world health organization the world health

organization needs to be held accountable now the world health organization and beijing officials have released a timeline providing step by step information about how the pandemic was dealt with from december onward showing coordination and cooperation between chinese officials and international bodies they say this narrative of a chinese cover up with which the world health organization is allegedly complicit simply doesn't add up. it comes as a former m i 6 chief said that while the w.h.o. should take some of the blame for the pandemic the rest should fall on china so john sawers who was head of the secret intelligence service from 2009 until 2014 did acknowledge the floors in the organizations response or he added that it is only as good as its member states and that it would be more appropriate to hold the chinese government to account the w.h.o. has called on countries to avoid politicizing the virus if they want to avoid more

deaths. the report has found that almost hoffa's self employed people worry they will not have enough money to cover rent and bills during the pandemic last month the government introduce a grant for the self-employed who have lost their income as a result of the outbreak however 45 percent of those worry that they won't have enough money to cover basic costs 66 percent fear that they will burn through all their savings in the next 3 months despite the government's financial support and that's a 60 percent say that the range of support available for freelancers would not sustain their business and the income through the crisis of a mourner summer joined by self employed painter and decorator john kerry john thank you very much indeed for joining us tell us about your situations. am biggest fear of being stopped until he's in enough east of england family for christmas on i've actually limousine off. to see what's going on i mean it's no one's

plan for this it's is just mental totally crazy so when you say you've laid off your son you're not able to pay him at all. my situation i got enough money for so lots of wages which i paid myself until the end of march and i've got my wages for it pro untamed. ball i'm actually we're in on a bill to be paid from a coma lie to completely. as mothballed and fair lot 500 stuff and on the 17th 18th of march i got a message no bills will be getting paid until a rio and so they know it well what about your bills then your utility bills you will cause a living as any leeway for me to the companies on this and somebody else i mention i am saw a look at my wife works for a bank so she's still at work she's on the phone line down there on skeleton stuff

and she's still going and so we get she gets full wages and so we've we've took a more each holiday at the 3 month i'm just waiting to see if i can get move on. high pitches reduced which i'm still when they fall. and it is nature is a joy on whether you can as you would journal done and i've seen builders working where where i live in an empty house is obscene plasters working on their own yet police this is the situation i do i do domestic small copes and small commercial work 'd and that the guidelines on the clia yes you got to meet a. distance in value. boat is is death 3 an essential all my pain supplies byron 3 in the mail order house short i can work out side by town by any gate at. now the government has said that help is

is coming in june is that good enough food or too little too late for you i've actually burnt 6000 pound on a credit card interest rate a point in my work account. and hefty interest rate charges on that no doubt what about the chances of of universal credit until gene kelly why are you in a position that you can apply for that and from what i've got that. 'd i'm responsible business i've got my taxes there for myself and my slim spare minutes and my july payment so that countess isn't my wife works full time i don't think i'll get very much to be honest the sad reality is of course that this is the risk isn't it the people like yourself take over you if you decide to work on your own self employed then instead of going full time perhaps you could being ill yourself it's very hard to think it's going to happen to you but it have to think about

making provisions in it but it is tough isn't it oh yeah yeah i sound i've saved enough every month i put some away for it he did unfortunately this is absolutely tarantulas down paul rather than a rainy day it got a few ones which is for it's not it's not grit ball i nor hopefully in june i will get some think. again i think you can get something in june what more would you like to see the government do with regards to the the self-employed. to be fair but if i have a holiday i don't get paid the day off at this moment in time i meant that we are looking at a month and a holiday and i'm getting paid something which is really it's all i think the filesystem needs to be a little bit different because you can sell off the 3 wakes know if something comes out on wednesday or thursday when the of. that is the may end and it's climbing fired the item we're in a joke comes in syria large empty domestic property i can go and work on it but

content my son because he's been furloughed an econo would kinney's industry to go work for a supermarket temporary. john very interesting your store and of course you're not the only one in this situation but it's really good of you to share this with us and we do wish you your son and all the family the very best of luck john kerry thank you thank you. campaigners are warning that war torn countries such as yemen face to emergencies a humanitarian crisis and impact on the coronavirus international rescue committee says insufficient health care unhygenic conditions and a lack of clean water make simple measures to contain the disease almost impossible activists are calling on governments to act now while conflict affected countries are still in the early stages of the virus others blame arms manufacturers for fueling conflicts in war torn countries such as yemen and as

a result worsening humanitarian crises. the international rescue committee report says that the conflict has left only 51 percent of health facilities fully functional in yemen 80 percent of the population is already in need of humanitarian assistance and the country has only 3 hospital beds and only 7 doctors but 10000 people. over mourners i'll be joined in the next hour by andrew smith from campaign against arms trade. so that's it for me for the moment talking about with a team with plenty more for you in half an hour from now.

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hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter all about how has the cove in 1000 pandemic changed the international system now have u.s. trainer relations been altered and is the west experiencing buyer's remorse over globalization. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest read like unship in prague he's an american journalist in the czech republic where he's been covering the pope in 1000 pandemic in europe along with china's response previously he's worked as

a journalist for telesur and a contributor and massoud are new and in new zealand we cross to james bradley he is the new york times number one bestselling author of the china mirage as well as host of his own pod cast untold pacific hi gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated this talk about the u.s. china relationship during this pandemic and most importantly after it james let me go to you know we here with donald trump with his threatening words there will be consequences of course that is undefined to this point here and i can understand the traumatization that people are feeling in the united states i would say it was a lack of preparedness and just the nature of the medical system in the united states that one has to look at but on the international stage threatening words are being made so what do you think instead of trying to root figure out what donald trump has in his mind which is almost impossible to figure out what do you mean

people. in beijing what do you think the chinese are thinking about these words. maybe that the americans are crazy i mean russia hacked the election and now china's poison in america and. america needs reparations what i'm seeing on the american media i mean i didn't use elan i'm halfway between east and west have family in asia family and in the west and i was calling in early february back into the united states telling them what asia was saying and they would listen people got angry with me they were like the american media was a like 45 days behind asia i have friends in saigon in taipei and who are not locked down they're going to work you know they haven't missed my.