re. a local to show because missionary means you know the sheer nonsense but during times when it's hard to say what next week have in store for us one thing is clear the world has changed what will be like after the close of my teen condemned. talk about bass with thomas drake jr featuring at the gym. thomas right executive director engineer futurist at colorado does that change just great having with so much to talk about. all the convention at the moment that they

think up to condemn make will never be the same like the ones like the post 911 will write there will be a past carona world but why are we so sure because they back the world not after 911 we really didn't end up paying that much different. yeah. there are several factors that make us different 1st of all the big ole commie was never designed to just shut down and be restarted and yet we're going to start seeing all kinds of whole sin. in things from the start. start up again our supply chains are going to be all messed up. but people go back to work a lot of people on earth have had time to think about what their job was and what they were doing in a lot of people are going to decide that they don't want to go back to that same job they want to do something different and so they're going to this is going to be

the biggest job transition of all industry. so overall when you when you when you factor in all of these things together i think the sense of being the most expensive crisis of all history. from from an economic standpoint i think it actually rivals route work too. it's just huge going to be hugely expensive as we start trying to put all the pieces back together again. when steady engine stops churning to get it started again or we're going to start seeing all these cracks in there's so many of these little small businesses that were out there that were striving that are just days away from just collapsing completely and i think a lot of them oh away. at the same token we're seeing that we can actually. the digital economy people working on digital products. 1 things and

services. so scripts whatever those things are going to thrive and digital technology i think will will continue to progress throughout all this but the anything in the physical world that requires a lot of people gathering together that's going to take a long time to get restarted going to have a line not that the. another thing that i'm thinking a stave massive surveillance that we have been place rag well imagine deployed during this on the time we remain in place once the crisis is not over because you know what they say nothing is more permanent than the temporary. so there's there's a phrase going around that we're in the post marmol era that that all the rules of the past some of them may or may not apply anymore and we have to figure out which one they are in the technology that's crazy with all the best of intentions can be

of use and be used in the wrong way and so we always have to guard against that. hand so many respects the governments have stepped in. and they. they're very heavy handed and how they it's all a matter of top down decision making. is to force compliance to make sure that people are are are doing what what they want them to do the to stay indoors tests that were not affecting each other. at the same token that that surveillance. comes at a salon so it's bad ways as well. and we can. we were going to start micromanaging a lot of people as a result of this and i think that that's where we run into lots of recessed and some. 2 i'm not demister but i think we i think we are right into what i call the backlash the backlash is coming they just going to be coming in a in

a big way because people are falling through the cracks this different programs and everything to support small business since the end of angels to help them out. i think is too many of them are going to fall through the cracks and then that's when you have the writing in the streets the way you have a lot of people protesting lots of things go wrong at that point so we have now intervention gets me carry. that maybe like a week or 2 ago they were going to take article by a how am i you know him and basically the people coined article one about the fact that we don't have between privacy and i have to my question to you can you really think we're going to have barack. see there's lots of people that think we'll be better off in a radically transparent world that if we knew everything about everybody that we'd all live in

a much safer world now the flaw in that thinking is if i know everything about you then i know what your credit card numbers are your bank account numbers your passports and suddenly we loose our ability to alter things and that ownership ability is on day small to the way the world works and so we all need some sort of a privacy bubble around each of us what that looks like hasn't been defined legally it hasn't been defined culturally or technologically and and so each time some new technology comes along attempts to pierce the privacy may also the speak. so it's going to be a challenging situation to find the right balance to find the right mix and 2 i think for a long ways from that you know here's another aspect and within that canale sort of stand united in its battle as time. there ology is telnaes the race for humanity

not for nations so countries criticize their differences chamfer mission finding then how wary this is remarkable proof that we can actually truly consolidate in the face of global threat but well to sally that area last one to prevent a number. so we're very united in this single cause. but conflict will always arise for always going to have conflict whether it's between regional groups or between nations are between tromp unease going to have conflict in the way that we resolve that conflict is is going to continually morph and change over time. so as we have large corporations that are fighting other a large corporations the tool set to use for wage cheney's battles are going to morphin and shift. our billy to hack into things sent to.

essentially rewrite history because we've we've created this whole stream of fake news that. causes the world to think differently that shifts the global opinion against this company or that group of people. those tools are going to radically different and and so we're going to be struggling with trying to deal with with this all. kind of these mind games that we've never played in the past but if there are any hope for at least that are man on batteries more populated world after coming 19 i will i think it because i mean i know that many plan prevented flu in 1983 change much during good comprehension but i'm thinking maybe we're to bomb them i mean we've learned from praying and i'm going to help clean that humanity is better than what we need care you think him maybe we could be

better off coming out of comic 19 in terms of how being each other and more and less with each other. yeah. yeah there's. where are much more globally aware than ever before so. people got caught off guard with the speed of change with us. there are so many things that happened so fast that suddenly we had shortages just everywhere instantly now the fact that. that we're aware of what's happening in china or at what's happening in russia or what's happening in australia in south africa where we instantly know what with changes are being made in all of these places this is this is different this instant awareness gives us a commonality a feeling that we're in this together. so will this set the stage 1st for a kind of a better green of humanity. i always wish it could but i'm skeptical

on that front and so there's that in a political world there is too there's too much value in having a common enemy and that's that makes it challenging so even as an as an example even in hollywood whatever well we have all the movies you have all the television shows we always need a bad guy you need a bad guy in every in harry scenario and every story has been told you need a bad guy and and so that's that's kind of the way we've been raised from birth to think that there are good people and bad people and somehow we separate of that way i think we can move beyond that but i think sort of take out a whole new level of consciousness. well what about our valleys and the way they're changing because. we've got the lot about this that make in terms so the

values that are going to change afterwards last decades have been marked with move and consumerism consumer society i mean will buy they just buy stuff that we don't really need what do you think will happen after when we go back to this unreasonable consumption of stuff or on the contrary. yeah. so if you asked if you asked the question what were your goals 6 months ago and. how to how those goals changed in the last 6 months you're going to find that a lot of the things you thought were so important 'd 6 months ago are preferrable s. that those are those that think sat wow that's really dumb to be caring about that or an i'm more in survival mode today i'm more into knowing where the food's going to come from trade get space mass where public's. going to have enough money to

pay for the food and the rent and water and all of those states. almost all of these priorities start to change and so. it's. it's hard hard as hard to say. we're speculating on so many fronts right now as to what changes permanently and what changes temporarily. i mean i keep going back to when do we when do we go back to the. place where re actually have you know a 1000 people can get together and close corners and have conversations. like we're doing last summer if we could have a concert a festival or trait down main street with all of these things that you just. are scared to do right at the moment how on before we return to that i think's going to be a while i'm a plantation break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to thomas radke you're the curator at the convention gate talking about one of the wild i'm going

to be. on the virus. what kind of economic recovery did there's going to be one can be expected after the pandemic is wanted for almost the beginning changed economy and is there any chance of returning to pretend any finnish. thinking of getting a cue from the ones we got in here shows no problem was he didn't know it's still trapped in this tiny little wired coach we don't need a crate with the wall just. freaking out into the wall when it's pretty much anywhere near. breeding dogs or caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farm soon i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in

a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the funder nothing they have no protection. because of you. it's ok. across the us cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies that are coming from these large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold and at stores even joined a group businesses are involved like cargill among some to there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial rating for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog.

now i'm back with pomfret senior futurist that we've been chance to just come you know the past couple of their east hartman additional feature is saying that own line comedy cation is gradually losing steam and people are sort of brave babli a tink human contact because some of some of them were saying that alas we need valley a human contact is going to be the most expensive thing in the future so let's not lose that one about the condemned they can now see coronavirus bursting this trend we're human contact be something we'll try to back off from where. yeah i often get asked the question of how long the fart of her chilled meeting as good as meeting somebody in person. meeting somebody in person there's lots of sidebar conversation there's lots of body language there's

a little beat us like that comes out somebody is for that you message if you're doing a virtual meeting. and so i've kind of come to the conclusion that once a virtual meeting is as good as meeting somebody in person or so they are going to go there so somehow the virtual meeting needs to be better and meeting somebody in person and so if you can answer that question of what constitutes better then i think. that's going to radically change the equation so i think somebody will head to the keys to the kingdom if you can answer that question. but is it even possible i mean they say it's a stick like you know the difference between falling in love with a perfect robot when i a or a human being i mean that the things the human contact entails may be unexplainable playing synergy energy chemistry how can you get that online. right and.

these are their rational stouts that concretely to be encrypted in code right it's the there's no replacement for the human touch. and. as humans for a social creatures by nature we want to be around other people right now shaking hands with somebody has become a symbol for you're an idiot. i'm a big hug or i love to hug people i'll say here i can't wait till this is over psych and hug everyone read it. and so all of these things are taboo right at the moment and somehow we need to get back to that because we start craving this this interaction. especially want to hug my grand kids again i haven't been able to do that for over a month now and that stuff becomes extremely challenging so. 1 there's no replacement for these things somehow we need to get past this this fear and ease

the anxiety about possibly catching something and then get back to to humanity as it was meant to be. what do you think will happen to this freedom of travel i mean you can spot paris right now to security chat when i don't know let's say a metal detector but you can't really detest the person carrying the potentially deadly virus when we now have to test all known and known viruses before which is to go abroad in the case in our business trip. yeah that's such a that's such a great question. so the next time you get onto a bus around an airplane or on a train. has somebody gone through and scanned for possible viruses in that environment i don't know that we really have the technology for doing that yet. somehow we need to get there we need to be able to find that can we get to a quite where maybe we can have it trotting out our skin and that makes us

impervious so that can we. somehow get dipped into this bad of like with him we get hold out and suddenly roach coded in a layer on our skin and that makes us so that we're. impervious to any disease us will never be just have to cover our face somehow. all of these things that raise a lot of interesting questions but i think it's going to spurs so many a. head of ingenious new technologies to come out of the weather because whenever there's a problem there's an opportunity and the really smart people are looking for where the opportunities are and all this is how that's where the money is that's that's for all the attend some of i think we're going to create a whole new breed of heroes as a result of this. jim can you hear people who are already taking become thing that we know how to be back how do we gain with preventing an outbreak when i'm there

when they were made and he kept me when i had a pretty fair election me thout you know and their fellow man had him think and demick. yeah. you know that's a that's a great question because pandemics can come in all different shapes and forms i get asked a lot if i had predicted this adventure and that almost every futurist out there has a whole list of wild card scenarios of things that can go wrong and one of the things on the list is always a pandemic we always look at that but the thing that was missing the thing we couldn't predict was the particular rule set that came along with this one because the next has them a 10 being sexually transmitted disease that could be passed from mother to child it could paster our hair follicles it could. come off the sweat on our body if there's any number of roles 2nd change it could affect the children more than the

adults. and so. understanding these particular role sets and what a. virus looks like or a pandemic of any sort in the future i think they're they're going to charge us a lot of fronts so. yeah i guess there's there's an opportunity there for somebody there to come up with some sort of a universal detection system that we can instantly scan the airports scan the airplane so scan busses and trains and cars and all of that. we're a long ways from that. do you think this is an end to the wrath of mass to resign and will people be afraid to travel in crowded airplanes and preach from now on i mean i can't possibly badging striving to find myself and i know i guess to despise me our people are basically on top of each other.

right right. so when we open the world back up again what does that look like 1. if you go to a sporting event to sit that you just have one person in there every 13th seat or ever use for a seat if the airlines spread out all the seats and only put people and windows and aisles and not in the center seats do we. say you go down the list you start asking all of these questions are we create choir masks a certain type of mask for you know. any place in public and so what is it that would make you feel safe. 1 in a crowded environment in the future. and if we chance figure out what makes it feel safe to us then we're not going to go out in public and yet 1 i think we're going to be starving we're going to get cabin fever we want to get out want to be around

people. somehow we're craving that that interaction but we're also have this. fight or flight part of the brain that's telling us that it's going to be scary that are going to have something we might die because of that. is that a lot more predictions of what may be the outcome of economics some say maybe my own plan and i may be worth a phone hike out what look around to me for our demographic. i definitely think we're going to have a baby boom a lot of lot of christmas new year babies as a result of this because the corona babies coroneos are on the l.c.s. that's erroneous. that it's a good thing. one thing i think is really interesting is every everything there was produced by by hollywood and t.v. shows the movies i think there's a huge this is

a huge dividing point the stories that were told 'd 'd up to this point are going to seem david and so am are going to have a whole 'd new generation of storytelling moving forward are very definition of what a hero is what a villain is what success is all of that changes moving into the future our whole value system is suddenly shifted and changed so i i would imagine the good. the writers the storytellers are pitching people in the movie industry right now a whole busy new light of stories that are going to come out of this and we ask the worst are looking for the storytellers to lead the way we're looking for them to give us some semblance of what the new normal is going to look like you know and also thinking that in fact in a way a very good in fact may have. cleaning the air right things to have a little good in the home theory cleaner animals are coming back to public places

i'm i'm in this healing itself really quickly and it's hard to imagine that one cor and i well when we're all going to sort of not use our consul plane goes away going to hop back in our car start hooting again will the coast coronado bloom tries to preserve this and brown mountain plants will there be new standards for coalition or in limits on the bone lead him unfair and car traffic. yeah great question. i've actually consider this notion that maybe sometime in the future that we decide to have a holiday that's one week long and every year we just shut everything down for a week. and week we take a break from everything we're doing. they've given us a new metric to work on because suddenly we have the before and after this this this giant cause this reset that we get on society every year is this i'm going to

come out of this i don't know but. there are i'm not the only one it's talking about something like that. so there's there's there's so many interesting positives that i think we're going to have a lot of studies that people that are studying and surveying all of the changing attitudes right now. i think this is a period in history where we have. the greatest number of. this city coal people have come out we're going to have all these conspiracy theories that creep up and this will be the biggest source of answer a c. series and all history. that we've got a point to somebody. and so this is the big bad that we can all point to us. and who started it who caused it and who screwed up along the way and who's leveraging it to their advantage. lot of things like. thank you so much

wonderful. and i wish you well. know how to be. and i guess i will be able to crank barry bannan back and i hope so too. all right well thank you. very sure the thank you thank. is your media a reflection of reality. in

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and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lloyd what kind of economic recovery if there is going to be one can be expected after the pen demick has run its course how has the pandemic changed economies and is there any chance of returning to pretend any conditions.

to cross and more i'm joined by my guest william look there are 2 employee he's an assistant professor of economics at florida atlantic university as well as a director of the sound money project at the american institute for economic research and in beijing we crafted to go he is the vice president of the center for china and globalization kargil in crosstime proves in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to william 1st in florida. just a few hours ago unemployment data was just released now we're up to over 20000000 people applying for unemployment in the united states who would have thought even 6 weeks ago it's extraordinary and being a historian by trade i know the history of the great depression depression very well.