max kaiser this is the kaiser report the show that warren buffett doesn't want you to watch you know i got to ask rhetorical and will be a theme i think for the next few minutes america's got 20 or 30000000 people unemployed now the question is why have a militia savings why don't they have a savings that's a very important question that we need to look into stacie perhaps it's because of what frederick basti out warned a couple 100 years ago when plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it here we are over 49 years after going off the gold standard in 1971 which is a moral code and

a legal system of its own it imposes moral code upon the economic system in terms of honesty and terms of distribution of wealth but here we have a system that 49 years later has become rotten the institutions have melted and disintegrated and we have people like our own senator here in north carolina senator richard burr who was caught not only dumping a whole bunch of sharers $2000000.00 worth after he secret inside information about the coronavirus but it turns out it's even worse when senator richard burr not only engaged in obvious insider trading on the coronavirus after receiving intelligence reports on the looming pandemic but he also sold his townhouse to a farmer a lobbyist above market price for a tidy profit so here you have a guy who's supposed to be the legal system of the the. moral code of the nation

and congress and he was actually had these pharma before him in terms of business and he he sold his house to one of these lobbyists this 2 tracks there those 2 paths those 2 answers one is looting right so looting has become institutionalized and congressman and senators don't see any problem with looting they trade on inside information they glorify in it they trade stock tips down there in congress that's the primary reason they get together in congress is the trade stock tips and trade on inside information because the clip across the criminals and should all be in jail and burnt and set on fire and get rid of them the 2nd reason would be we live in a country that glorifies debt that would be keynesian economics keynesian economics hate savings if you read paul krugman of the new york times he's constantly talk about the savings glut he would why he wants to burn savers he hates savers because that's his job as an institutional policy puppet who wants to get everyone is in debt as possible so that when they lose their job they end up in shacks they can't

move they're eating protein pills and they're treated like garbage and like shit like mushrooms keep them in the dark and feed him. right that's paul krugman in the new york times policy that's keynesianism we hate savings austrian economics values savings and a values individual sovereignty and it's the proper way to run an economy it's what benjamin franklin would have wanted had he been running the economy today but all the founding fathers are dead in the state we have posers charlotte sans crux and paul krugman when a multinational sets up a you know one of these factories in mexico what they look for is single mothers who are desperate they look for people in debt who are desperate who aren't going to give them trouble who don't go on to you know protest line that they're shut up and they're quiet right now so many americans as we know the fed even told us a few months ago that more than half of americans have. no money at all in their

savings account in fact they have debt so they know for a fact that you're desperate right now and that you'll do that you'll accept whatever's happening with the fed that's and save us and these cult so-called stimulus that's right and you want to look at this inequality in anti-capitalism one chart the fed for the last 25 years have used their tools and money to preserve equity and credit crisis at all costs as a result when economies contract average people get hurt capitalism progressive ship both this chart up this is u.s. financial assets now $5.00 times g.d.p. so this is the financialization of the economy that started in 1905 when the divine right of kings the divine right of these these you know the oligarchs at the top the elite the wall street the politically connected this is the moral code this is the legal system this is the monetary system oh i said recently about the so-called progressive like to me door or chained junker you know they talk about the idea that we should somehow teach their leaders to be more moral and then we should ask

them to be better people but they never actually talk about that that's impossible in a system that glorifies debt and has no basis for a savings to establish the economy with real money either gold or bitcoin that's never come out of those jimmy doris mouth he's never advocated for gold not one time and that's a huge mistake there's no such thing as a progressive if your only program idea is to try to morally assuage corrupt institutional prison were the bad guys to act better right that's not a that's not progressiveness that's idiocy that chart is from 1905 soaring up the financialization when basically the elite the plunderers at the top ran away with it all so to get back to your boss point active during the divine right of kings and who gave the kings the divine right religion. and then the transition to

the fayette world war era was straddled by the bank of england to try to preserve the wealth of the monarchy of europe through a central bank and then they started the sierra and then we have keynesian economics which is the religion of the cia era to give the apostles like nobel prize winning economist the idea that they are divinely endowed with the smarts and intelligence to centralize our economy and award people indulgences to those who they think are worthy of going into heaven an austrian economics says no you have to have savings you have to have actual individual sovereignty which is also the basis for the. declaration of independence for america the united states and for those who are still a spouse the dirty policies of keynesianism. they have to deal

with this with their own conscious going back to the divine right of a class of people when we had that back in the age of empires and kingdoms that of course kept the the starving masses the peasants in line because they don't want to mess with god right god had given these people live divine right the same thing here is in this structure of cup talk or see the financialization it started in 1981 where we went off the gold standard and the individual themselves could not measure their own worth just like back in the divine rights of kings the individual was not able to measure their chance of getting into heaven unless the kings. you know the priests and such he controlled would tell them whether or not they had paid enough indulgences the same sort of system we have here where you're not going to get up this very you're not going to

be allowed the toll bridge is not going to be lifted for you if you aren't participating in playing the game if we were guarded gold is the continuing true measure of monetary stability it suggests that stock markets gains in the 50 years since our own most entirely due to money illusion or the erosion of the dollars buying power so the red line is the s. and p. $500.00 terms and the black line is in gold terms that money illusion is the same thing as prior to john locke and bost yet in these sort of people there was an illusion that the king was somehow superior and closer to god than you the individual only he could give. any rights that you had no endowed rights at birth here is the same thing is that it's a money illusion the illusion that this divine right of the markets always go up is

somehow ordained by their closeness to the fed and is there anything more troubling for those who would be against the monarchy in power then when we heard that these relief checks being sent to the government were all going to be signed by donald trump quite that sun and 6 troughton area act of hubris that i thought nothing i've seen or read or heard donald trump say to his entire presidency really worried me until that and then i realized you know what america has slipped back down into a pure monarchy and it's the threat and trump he was also raising keynesian economics he also doesn't really it can't blame him he's a he doesn't understand money he just understands death is the king of death as he himself says he calls himself the king of jet every us dollar should say have trumps picture his signature with the phrase the king of death and we reject

monarchy if we are americans if we are not rejecting monarchy then we have to ask yourself how american do you think you really are he's always from day one and pressing jerome powell to cut interest rates to issue more debt from day one that's the i think he announced that in his inaugural address to the nation it's like cut rates so this is something he's been interested in however you know those people the divine class they only operate for themselves they do not care about you they will snatch your so-called stimulus check out of your bank account they themselves will be granted money from you the taxpayer. we've for to make up for all of their mistakes but look at you the individual how much they've taken from you this is what i object when i hear progressives because their whole agenda

is to get the people acting poorly in government to act better they're never going to act better for exactly the reasons you just stated they are born to act poorly and not in the interest of the collective or the masses or the people or the common good there are only way to fight these people is to come up with a competing form of money that destroys it we only know that one exists and that's course bitcoin record and gold gold would have told you this entire time that these people are not divine jamie diamond is not divine lloyd blankfein said he was doing god's work he is not divine those people are not billionaires because they are divine is somehow better than you you have been subsidizing it you have been subsidizing it people who pay taxes who work in this economy who who are the essential workers have been paying and i'll show you in these 2 charts here here is the total household net worth of the united states measured in ounces of gold rather than dollars over the past 50 years and as you can see it went down from

when we went off the gold standard 1071 and then it went up a bit during the dot com era that did expand some of the wealth to ordinary people who are holding shares in their schwab accounts and their various other online accounts and now it's just sunk but in dollar terms this is the same chart they give you the illusion you the illusion the one that is working harder and harder to stay the same place they give you the illusion that you're actually getting wealthier and this is all good for you well some bob way stock market was skyrocketing while the people were literally digging in the dirt for flecks of gold so they could eat so you know that's the difference between gold and the illusion of. price manipulation that comes with money in the papacy of the federal reserve bank is supposed to be separation of church and state when you treat the fed like that like like the vatican. problem america they are going to take

a break when we come back much more coming your way. that's. the much older of the stuff. just to. show.

you put it's not just the most unusual not on one level so the stuff. welcome back to the kaiser report i'm max has or not it's time to turn to will raves of the fold app will race walk in the consul report back to be here all right it's out about the fold app it's pretty simple we are giving bitcoin to as many people and the least amount of time off of all we get free because we're shopping at retailers like amazon starbucks and we've recently teamed up with these to launch a big going rewards card that will give everyone the opportunity to stock that and

earn that money so this is really exciting i saw you tweet about it and mediately want to get you on the so you've got this deal with the b.s. i can use my visa card and spend my fiasco and get rid of my fear money and i get bitcoin cash back rewards and so it's got to be the most painless way to stack sasser accumulate big coin ever and what's been the response so far you know it's been an incredible with far i think this product has been has been you know a lot of people are going to waiting for it but we've got a great. from the community in the 1st 48 hours we had over 15000 people signed up for the card and that number and we also got great coverage for made media and it's always great to see. company able to break. yeah i mean because i know as you point out it's the hardest money ever created what's so important about hard money

somebody might ask and they know i'm raising the headlines and there's 22000000 people now want to plow and in america that's projected to get to 30000000 you know . in america savings are really considered evil and keynesian economics is the way the economy should run a. and know about one of the economists like prof krugman refer to a savings goal lot he tries to develop 5 savings but if those 22000000 people have been saving bitcoin even 106 tell she's for a penny you know even a little bit you know every time you go out and buy a pack of cigarettes are a coca-cola or a happy meal you bought some deep awesome sotto she said instead they'd be sitting on a half a 1000000 i $1000000.00 and bama will maybe to write out this this unemployment storm how did how did america become a place for savings are valid 5 well i don't think there's a better time to launch

a card like that while the federal reserve is making our money seem like an infinite supply you know we have been working with youth to help them understand the value proposition of their money and in this time there's never been a better boil for bitcoin the federal reserve is that if you leave and if i'm of record unemployment thoughts are going up and unemployment is going up you know hold it here to make it the easiest way for the every man to get a hold of those that make a big difference in the life of asymmetric warfare going on the average person in america have no savings or maybe they have 2 or $300.00 in the bank and when they ponzi scheme collapses again as it does every 10 or 11 years. they are the folks to build a ponzi scam on a wall straight get an immediate bell out no questions asked a mint in a chain wire some

a trillion 5 trillion 6 trillion whatever's made it it's just instantaneous and then the poor suckers who are live in this way place you know they might get some money are sent to the wrong address or such act that they can cash anywhere or it's got to have donald trump's you know saying that chair and they really hate the population with contempt in america now sadly and the only way out is individual sovereignty and the easiest way to do that is a big coin so how's the market do you think for this going forward for the fold app out now we know we have a lot of startups on the show how big is the how big is the company now and what were you on that cycle is it really how long you've been around and what do you think's going to be your prognosis for the next 2 or 3 years dave you know for the better around for or for 'd a while we've seen different cycles through a few who have a name with with and we've been able to see the growth and really be able to find

what the real value proposition for everyday people and we launched our mobile back in october if you have back that retailers and and now have lost part of you know 93 for said of all of users that they would wish you a card that gives them for him back as at a fast faster airline miles if it was available and with ford you're talking size of thousands of users but we also know that we're just starting a thread and we'll see many others and that's what we're going to increase by stressor and in see success ability through this wonderful asset was all right well i guess the model seems like it scales pretty well i know of one other company that has because cash back rewards and i think the model as i. contact various retailers they get them to sign up for the program and they get some rewards back in the form of bitcoin but the fold model seems like

a scales better you just use that visa card and you get the cash to get the bitcoin cash back and let me ask you this so you know as far as pickling ghazni having are they having us coming shortly in the month of may this is happens every 4 years the mine way was cut in half the stock to flow model model approves it's being greeted with huge anticipation and excitement in the big going community when you fall on this big nose or just another day in the life because well it depends on how long you've been you've been in this world and i would say for us it's just another day but i think it's really important or the often cycle. paths or at least brought in many new entrants into the base generated interest beyond. merely into the wider world and then you think introduce more and more people but i think it is a store at the moment and when you're talking about 6.0 or you know if it's all of

the reward paid out in the past back reward last year in the united states. instead of airline miles the 1000000 because it would have been distributed to everyday people in a very distributed basket and so i think when you make the have a product like the one that we are introducing you get really incredible back number one getting more people to participate but also more by fresher with even make that having a more fair let me ask you about the lightning network because this is another hot topic in the big going world how is lightning worked out so far in terms of scaling issues has it helped or does it still have further to go what are the limitations what what's also more let's give us an update on lightning so you know to be for. quickly on this lightning has. done wonders for our users in terms of using because i'm in there every day but also being

a tool or for people who may not be familiar with big boy to have an experience with it and feel just like their credit card in a bath and with all the excess that out of how to retailers and so it's really brought the medium of exchange it's a big climb to the next level and you know what we see here although there's about 15 percent of users that come in spending on a credit card switch to using lightning because they can earn more cash back on the old and so we know that it can provide an experience that matches incumbent payment method and it gives users more fact they they and so we really feel that we have got the infrastructure the us and the incentive through where lightning can continue to grow and now it is certainly not without it not without a issues that we're actively working on you know scaling is certainly in a few if we suddenly transferred all of the transfers going through all the credit

card over the lightning you know we might have. we've got some work to do on the network itself but the good thing is that we continue the pace of innovation in the pace of you know we're going to be in a great place in the year from now to see how world around the world is crumbling people are looking for alternatives gold market and gold and conscious all over the world setting new all time highs and such to make a new all time high against the u.s. dollar people now see when steve banana chan and neil kashkari go on television and say we've got infinite quantitative easing money trying to go broke out of well there's no end in sight we're going to keep printing money until we fill the entire 7 seas of fat garbage and they say the reigning of paper money in venezuela cluttering the straits you know bitcoin to this is to cling to your backside. well you know i've been working in the paper a little bit i've never been more bullish than i have now i think the circumstances that we see around the world are the perfect condition to make big boy or value

proposition shine in the infrastructure and ecosystem of wonderful applications that are going to be introducing big point to a whole new lot of people it's all coming together going to be a wonderful year and i'm nervous but very excited or was that when i look at the local because the charts of where bitcoin is being adopted i see countries like argentina where the tops in a skyrocketing all over south america brazil a colombia i see in egypt because adoption is now skyrocketing and some countries that are really at the end of their rope and terms of the tolerance for the central bank skullduggery and lets you know it's criminal activity actually in they are now jumping in to pick when in a big way some countries like australia and they've taken the time their time in

adopting in typically because they've had it easy they've been able to print their own money out of the australian government has inflated that housing bubble 3 or 4 times over the past 15 years they haven't had to work really for a living they just had to ride on the expansion of the expanding property bubble same thing in the u.k. now once worked in the u.k. for 20 years they just borrow against their home it's been a bubble and now suddenly they wait wait a minute i've got to work for a living so they're looking for hard money for the 1st time in decades i do think countries like america and united kingdom are going to finally wake up to a big calling and i would include in that people like mark cuban and peter schiff is seem to be a really tone deaf when it comes to understanding this technology well for all i heard about big oil was actually down in argentina during one of their many before . when you look around even that being made at that time the value proposition a big one with clear hard money in a in a in a in

a climate easy infinitely preferable money that worthless as the value proposition . and we're going to be as you mentioned not happening a prop many 3 that are similar thing and as we see the adopted bear we are also going to be the. people in the united states the mark cuban the peter see that number go up and follow him and it's going to be a worldwide movement to get up there and i think both read and play important roles in the adoption of bitcoin but i truly believe that you are right that the the the the core and what adoption that we're going to see is that we primarily in the b.p. med and the us hopefully going to be following not too far behind that well raves thanks for being on the cars report great to be here max thank you and that is going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser estates are going to take i guess well reams of old trying to catch us on twitter it's kaiser

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welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is also a u.k. . the health secretary is forced to demise of the government refused to get involved in e.u. wide protuberance of protective kids for frontline. medical stuff for political reasons i'll be talking to an expert on policy shortly. i get emmys for the couple of apps is on track usually in fact a coronavirus patients will fail unless they also respect use a previously we hear from one of the. family of p.c.t.'s palmer the sioux scout and the author of the death of the officer in the west and the terror attack 3 years ago. and school closures intensify the divide between the country's richest and poorest peoples as a report of a filthy to

a community campaign. a top foreign office civil servant said the government's decision to not participate in that particular month scheme for corona virus protective equipment was a political one mrs previously said it was an administrative era as the health secretary is forced to deny the claim is that alli has the latest so tell me about the disagreement. well we know that the governments have not taken part in the preacherman scheme and there were a number of visit reasons in the original he put forth for that including that the government hadn't received the e-mails as part of that scheme to get more information about it of course the government and the country are in this transition period we are still for all intents and purposes in the e.u.

and but the government decided they didn't want to take part in that scheme because according to the permanent undersecretary for the flow of foreign and commonwealth office. the subsequent looked out of that decision what we want to do with the e-mails going this it was actually a political decision. it was a political decision the mission is rather not correct. briefed. ministers about what was available what was on offer and the decision is known now for start will lead to a whole host of questions as to exactly what impact that decision has had on the toss to try to get p p per person protective equipment to fund n.h.s. stuff but the health secretary not hancock denying these reports to be the case.

i haven't seen that exchange but i have spoken to the farm sector and as far as i'm aware there was no political decision not to participate in that scheme when the we did receive an invitation in the department of health came to the department how. it was put up to me to be asked and we joined so we are now members of the scheme however as far as i know that scheme hasn't yet delivered a single item of p.v. so i think the most important thing that we concentrate on is one of the offers that can get us the most people the to be able to get it into the country to be able to manufacture it here and to be able to then get it out to the front line and we're doing everything we possibly can to make that happen now we've seen over the weekend reports coming out that shipments of p.p.a. that was supposed to arrive by sunday haven't arrived yet and some sources suggest

the government only put in those requests for that p.b. equipment on sunday itself and so lucky goodman will take days if not weeks to arrive some of them will criticism for the government and their approach to how to handle each p.p. and e. so what about the country's latest figures. yes you see in the daily death tolls received and again a large rise from yesterday almost doubled and with the total number of deaths in the u.k. in the most recent 24 hour period now 823 that takes the whole total to the u.k. 17337 of these numbers are only deaths in hospital and of those who have tested positive with the code at 19 but there are suggestions that the real figure is much higher the office for national statistics when asked they for released figures and according to the nest the real figures could be up to 41 percent higher

than the figures the government had to be release it now according to go and ask leading up to april the 10th there were 13000 deaths but the government figures that were released up to that date stated that there were only 9000 deaths in hospital now of course the other an ass figures don't just count hospital deaths they also count those people who have lost their lives in canada than at home and according to those figures 1600 deaths a cat outside of hospital with over a 1000 of them taking place in calves and that have been 8000 excess deaths in the week leading up to april the 10th compared to the 5 year average for that same week and it's the highest weekly death total since the 2000 and there are also concerns that a 5th of those numbers it's unsettling exactly whether those are people who died because of coronavirus or whether those are people who died because

a lot of because they didn't want to go to the hospital for fear of catching 1000 and died in other ways at home so there is still a number of unset and see around the true figures but certainly according to some whatever the government figures out the real death toll from cover 90 supt supposed to be higher. thank you very much indeed for that update. well to discuss the rubble over procurement all of the kids in the government's refusal to join the e.u. scheme i'm joined by political expert alice to jones honest to good to see how this is but it's potentially devastating for the government not getting involved in e.u. procurement for political reasons yeah only a few same barassi although in that sense a spirit appears aslant some and dumber is going to be is soon a clarification in the very near future i suspect you're going to say that you may have got things slightly wrong or there was a misinterpretation however as things stand having said go we didn't know anything about it they didn't tell us it invites us and then we find out they were when we

did know and the fact that. brussels was briefing the government yes we should be involved it is hugely embarrassing and instead of getting to seem worth it was the only right so the decision not to go ahead or whether it was boris johnson and i think there's going to be a little bit of infighting within the cabinets over this good heads roll over this thing consensually heads could draw the suspicion will be there but it's going to be a civil service head that's going to rule as a result of this rather than a politician and it'll be another example of civil service trying to undermine preg citron undermine the government and trying to do everything the government will basically deny that there was a problem but we will be shifty will evade and this is just going to carry on and on and on what makes even worse we have people's lives at stake and refusing that sort of kit for any reason is going to be a major mistake absolutely the case yes i mean the fact that the procurement scheme is that so all the member states and yes you've got to be involved in all of this

except those going to be money involved but the amounts of money the government's been throwing out to help business people think that we're talking a drop in the ocean so in this respect the government shouldn't be involved and they want as was advised by our trip regardless of the fact they're releasing the human the city 1st of december and it may. i mean this is part of the stimulation to making sure that this is not going to be an extension beyond the city 1st of december because negotiations that are going to be coming up in june and it may be this is really a stepping stone is that hey look we are leaving we have nothing to do with it and this appears to be a political decision and of course ministers though initially said this became an issue was an administrative error and of course we are facing unprecedented challenging times mistakes are bound to be made by any government in this absolutely i mean we've heard the original explanation was that the e.u. used the wrong email address well i'm pretty sure that as well as sending out e-mails that would have been discussions with the u.k.

representatives in brussels and they would have communities those to the foreign office as well as to the department of health so it was always and it's a bit suspicious that hey you use their own e-mail address being the excuse suggesting that we have to do things by e-mail now because of the lockdown is now it's a little bit dodgy and just a final thought the mood of the nation has been pretty behind the government over this witness so could this change things drastically perhaps i think the mood to go there the people is being guarded it behind the government yes they have seen the benefits of a lot of people who are wanting to know ok way to go from here but if it transpires the government of your opportunity to get extra people into the country and they've learned that opportunity because it was new to the year then there will be a backlash that they're willing to sacrifice people's lives front line staff in the n.h.s. and care homes working for the only what's in the right wrist if the government willing to sacrifice that over the ideology or

a you believe it breaks it heads will roll and there will be a backlash against the government yes i was jones thank you very much indeed for joining us live here or not he can thank you. colonel virus contact tracing apps developed for use by the likes of the n.h.s. must ensure privacy is respected to be successful that's according to a joint statement from almost 300 privacy experts and academics that will the technology is doomed to fail if people don't trust it. it is crucial that citizens trust the applications in order to produce the fish an uptake to make a difference in tackling the crisis it is vital that in coming out of the current crisis we did not create a tool that enables large scale data collection on the population either now or at a later time thus the loosens which allow reconstructing invasive information about the population shippey rejected without further discussion 1st used in singapore last month the technology uses bluetooth connections in small phones to

identify people meeting each other and storing a record of those contacts those who come close to a newly infected patient event sent to text with self isolation instructions at least half of the country would need to sign up to the up for it to be effective unlike tech giants such as apple who are backing a decentralized contact tracing system the n.h.s. backs an approach where data is uploaded and stored centrally but despite concerns of a bulk data gathering just as secretary robert buckland has told m.p.'s that the technology would be limited you know we're living in the same time when we have accepted the i think some good treatment of our liberties if we go down this route we do so in a considered and travel way but in a way that is functionally limited which will i believe prevent the sort of mission creep that you are. terry would both resist and draped one of the joint statement signatories professor i got

a ski ice join me earlier and he told me that a decentralized tracking system would ensure greater user autonomy. it would be even impossible in many cases for someone to recall everyone that they had close contact with over let's say a period of 2 weeks so that's why making this process can be can be much more effective and of course you think i might be interrupting confidentiality that's an issue isn't it because the n.h.s. as it's working to ensure previously is protected and we we really have to trust that it is definitely exactly and that's a key differentiate or of the 2 major approaches for automated contact tracing right now so the 1st one is a centralized one and this is similar to what has been used let's say in places like south korea and singapore where basically the idea is that you have an app that runs to your phone and then once you're diagnosed with a disease is going to upload information on the server that may contain location data or may contain information about other phones that you have been in contact

with and then someone would use that information calculate the risk of the individuals that were in contact with you and then they will not be find themselves or that this happens now centrally in the decentralized case for example as in the case of the google apple proposal that i think many of your viewers have already know that is is currently in development what happens is that the calculation of the reask that you might be infected or you might been in close contact with someone who's diagnosed happens when your fall so basically there's still a server but the information which is abroad on the server is not identifying so this is a much more privacy enhanced way of doing this. still to come a. leading u.k. academic school for a long exit strategy that's britain's top scientific adviser says data. won't be

released until after the crisis is over i'll be talking to a professor of public health very shortly.

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a leading british academic claims that the lock down measures could end up doing more damage than the virus itself professor call having an of oxygen diversity claims the prediction or goals that guided the lock down measures are out of date he also says random sample testing could provide a better understanding of the virus it comes as academics from university college london claim that the lockdown could be eased as early as next month. they say the economy can gradually be reopened using a traffic light system and the red phase would run from may the 4th until may the 25th small shops and local businesses could reopen and then the amber phase that would last until june the 15th here families will be allowed to visit each other's homes or the large gatherings will not be allowed schools could reopen for

exams and protective mosques will become compulsory on public transport then there's the green phase from june the 15th that would see parks restaurants gyms and nightclubs reopening and large sporting events could be given the go ahead you see and have submitted their proposals to the government but cabinet office minister michael gove's said on sunday that this approach is not being considered and it comes after the u.k.'s chief scientific advisor says the data used to determine policy won't be revealed just yet so patrick vallance claims that the minutes of key meetings as well as scientific findings will be made public but not until the virus is under control over more of us are now joined by public health expert professor allison pollock allison thank you for being with us now do you support supply valances position here why can't the government release the sage data now because surely we have a right to know that we are. well i think at patch it balances argument is that they've released some of the scientific evidence much of which was and peer

reviewed and that's in the public domain so if you look you can see the scientific papers that they've published i mean the most regrettable thing is that the paper by ferguson and so many of the evidence were not actually properly peer reviewed and tested by people who are experts in the areas so we do know or ready that some of these assumptions in the model were floored and i think it is a great pity because you know we pride ourselves on being accountable and transparent that the membership of sage has not been published i think that's quite extraordinary not to publish the membership and not even to have brief minutes this is a really unusual position there is that you mentioned no focus on the man who was on the government the fact it wasn't taken scene of him the more people would die. yes but presumably he's on stage but. he hasn't said yes so i think there's a think there is an issue with the lack of accountability and it would be very

helpful to see that and perhaps we have clear minutes scotland's just convened an advisory group a couple of weeks ago and the membership is there and they publish a keshi minute minutes which really are very adequate and that it is it's a start and that i do think it is helpful that the government has at least put the scientific evidence in the puppet to maine so that others can actually look at these models and criticise and i think what's would have been much more helpful is if that they'd actually put these models into the public domain much earlier and had it's discussion. because what's clear from the models in practice in this we're not really clear how he estimated his case fatality rates and came up with this transmission ratios but more importantly he didn't seem to have acted in some of the essential public health measures that might have been done there they are and that includes things like contact tracing and travel restrictions unfortunately contact chase in the stock to very early. with the claim that there wasn't really

sufficient capacity and that meant for $13.14 days when they had no idea what was going on it's a virus has been met through the community and the law and just funny looks like the government may dismiss u.c.l. as traffic light approach which i was talking about just before we had our conversation do you think the government should be listening there to the sun to fit the broader scientific community more as it appears more want mcgovern's very keen on this into the science but there are many different in terror the science is not completely neutral and there are many different interpretations of the science and i think it she is much more helpful if it takes the form of a conversation and debate and that is the whole point of having academics you see academics agree with each disagree with each other and there's a lot of hypothesis testing but it's in any way in which we advance. things i mean what we've got quite extraordinary the biggest experiment ever going on in many countries throughout the world with absolutely no evidence behind it and also the

collateral damage that's happening we know there's great collateral damage happening there may well be excess deaths happening in the non-coding it's fear and certainly there's a lot of both. harms in terms of the disability in our house in the short and long term consequences of not have a fully functioning house service as well as to the economy listen thank you very much for talking to us about this professor allison pollack thank you for your time . thanks. very much for your legal action over the death of. march 27th. it was the story the metropolitan police force is facing legal action over the death of p.c. keith palmer who died during the terror attack back in 2017 right here at the gates of parliament michel parma the offices which is now accusing scotland yard of failing to do more to protect her husband leaving him in her words alone on armed

and having to guard an open gate palmer was one of 5 that was killed in the attack by helen. 82 seconds through drove across this very bridge from the opposite end plowing into many pedestrians before finally crashing into parliament it's then that he descended from his car and fatally stabbed 212 inch knife p.c. keith palmer his rampage only came to an end when he was shot dead by armed officers the chief coroner ruled the could still be alive. by the nearest was 80 yards away. from that due to shortcomings in the security system the armed officers were not aware of requirement to remain in the close proximity to the gates the inquest also heard evidence revealing that a senior officer had raised concerns about the positioning of marksman then there were also allegations that m i 5 should have been monitoring the suit who was a must in combat at the time more closely with the security service refused it at the time of the inquest but on top of all of that the metropolitan police itself

has refused to accept responsibility that he's promised and hasn't responded to this latest action except to confirm that has received the notice of it but did apologize in the aftermath of the inquest the chief coroner has plainly carried out a rigorous. and we reservedly accept his conclusion even the possibility that the m.p.'s lost the chance to prevent a brave and courageous officer. for the loss of that possibility to protect him from khalid masood we are deeply sorry security outside the palace of westminster has changed a lot since the attack but that's sure to feel too late for tea partiers went around his young daughter but now the metropolitan police could be forced not just to express regret but admit liability to try to address that they are to u.k. london. as easter break comes to an end one report is highlighting discrepancies between private and state school students when it comes to home learning during

lockdown. something trust report highlights of the 3rd of students are participating in remote online learning but private schools are twice as likely to take part as state educated people's report says that 60 percent of private school pupils are able to access school work online compared to fewer than a quarter of those who are state educated well 45 percent of school children are in touch with their teachers that rises to 80 percent of private secondary school students no other more on this committee's campaign cheryl phoenix joins me now cheryl good to see what do you make of a report findings i mean the findings it is interesting that they have to do a whole report i'm glad they did this is the findings that i find when you know because obviously i'm in africa and it's as an advocate for our young people and you know we have a group that we have over a 100 parents and just quite small and all of them are struggling and we've actually access an education for the young people where some of the teachers have been such to go out and source information and so so so provide change and in fact

is one of the young people don't have access to the internet or don't have laptops so the answer to that was so we haven't seen print know all teach they haven't written and said the white house has seen these young people so the access and it's on how the government how it's about to be able to make sure that all children are accessing the correct information and i'm going to examine coming up every day now you know this is causing a problem for those that have been in say. never the college or american council in september that's interesting you say that because obviously people are blaming isolation but you think that that she most kids have access to the internet in this day and age anyway don't they but you're saying otherwise no not all children to because they're all somehow parents and there are some households who although it should be an inequality not they don't have access to the internet so we're having to print information as i've said to give it to them and this information that we're getting from our teacher friends in our group about 30 teachers 'd and they

have been specially why some parents who says you can spank them with the ones that do have access to online and they can be doing quite well not actually learning or what they would probably learned in school they're not necessarily do in the curriculum and certain things that finances you know move in and things like that but for those that don't have that luxury they should be absolutely down for them and what's concerning you know the social impact on this because obviously it's suggests that more needs to be done to bridge what could be appearing to be really stark social divides on this well is a huge social divide and as i mentioned before with regards to you know you have a lot of secondary school children you have a lot of the essex going c.s.f. and what is that transition don't know what about their exams and you know they do the sat exams and those going to be scrapped though the g.c.s.e. is going to be scrapped it's going to be based on what teachers opinions are on the student which was welcomed back in march you know child could not do well in marks but they could do really well unless you are exams then you have the appeals

process which could take months and it's over before you know you're in january so what do those children think you don't have access to the private education system with regards to their exams and just like you got to learn generally they are going to their brain will fall behind what are we doing to these children then they go on to be answered been given actually to show by the state you know how is it going to work would actually look like i would suggest that laptops actually be provided with something you didn't provide information. yes the right education is right now as far as i see all of these children are being sent. me because they're not. well they're not getting their pain cheryl thank you very much for talking to us about this today cheryl phoenix and. finally the house of commons votes to go at least cautiously online let's take a look at how it might work in some of the changes we can expect.

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