having said that me going to let me going to let me go to one element. the real issue here is within the democratic party itself and it's really centered on bernie bernie sanders ok they finally got him out ok they rallied their forces the media came in to save the day as well and it really gets down to if the bernie bros and i don't use that term in a project pejorative way is meant i know a lot of bernie bros and they are fervent very smart people they have just much gumption and it's conservatives do ok this if we disagree but helen it really gets down to the progressive part of the party are they going to be won over by joe because joe has given them nothing to dig. yeah i mean the good the ones who voted for hillary back in 2016 will probably fall in line behind joe personally i don't understand why people were willing to live up to her bernie this time around after he basically took them under the bus and $1016.00 telling them to vote for

a candidate that went against everything that he stood for and now he's done that again so i think in the same we're all the progressive us would probably try to vote 3rd party of course not living in the same world as many recent events have made clear but yeah biden is not going to excite the progressive vote i think a lot of people stay home and i think a lot of people will vote for the apartments. ok well richard how how is will a job i can reach out to be aggressive in any meaningful way because i have to agree with how and i mean bernie was on some not late night cop show when he was asked a very important question do you think joe can win and he said yes and then ever all of us are saying why are you ronnie ok you know what was the last 4 years all about what was the last election all about because i would contend and i think you would probably agree with me that he's going to need a lot of progressives to cross to you know get over the line to win because the party is very fractured so the same question i mean is joe going to give them

anything because i see a lot of anger on the part of bernie supporters and nks against bernie himself go ahead richard. so let's talk about this through the prism of issues bernie sanders is perfectly in favor of habeas many people have health care as possible job i was instrumental as an aside when we got the affordable care act passed donald trump is in court today trying to strip tens of millions of people coverage who it creates this in condition so with progressive's really care about issues like who has health care and who doesn't this is not a close call let's take climate change as an example barack obama and joe biden push very progressive climate change proposals having to do with the power industry and others and sign on to the paris climate deal donald trump says the climate change is a hoax so if progressives these people who backed bernie sanders really care about

addressing climate change this existential threat this is not a close call you go issue by issue let's take gun violence barack obama and joe biden have pushed ways in which we should limit access to guns not interfering with the 2nd amendment god forbid but making sure that we reduce gun violence double trouble things we should do nothing other than get his guns in as many hands as possible so progressive presumably care about that too so you go issue by issue peter and this is not actually a close call in 2016 these people who were people who either voted for trump or voted 3rd party thought at what differences may respond when we now know with the implications of don trip when you get are so people who supported parties or if they really care about the future of the country and the issues this is not a close call. well ok but i think you know again if you look at the complexity of the democratic party what it what it because now that joe wants to embrace the obama legacy well what about those 5500000 people that were thrown out of their

homes when barack obama saved the banks so you'd wall street in and main street in people when homeless ok if that is at the normal we want to go back to because i don't see much of the legacy of barack obama that is all about appealing he sold out to the banks and big and to special interests like they always do when they get into power donald trump is doing the same thing don't misunderstand me ok but how and i mean you know richard's got a point on some of those points right there but there's a fundamental difference is that the needs of workers particularly right now who is losing their home their health care it's not because of donald trump per se it's because millions and millions of people are losing their jobs ok that's what that that is ok i think that for a lot of people joe biden is a retread that was very unimpressive and i think here and here's my question to you and i think the democrats did you know we hugely disservice by having such a. an interesting lackluster primary job was never even challenged on his record

ok what did he particularly of all those debates he hardly had to defend his his record because nobody would go there because of democratic orthodoxies ok because when he comes up against trump trump is going to go for an animal on him we've already seen the ads go ahead and now and go to new york yet they're basically counting on people having this sort of haziness style just in the obama era where nobody really remembers what happened in the obamacare which was as you said of massive think they'll out millions of people being thrown out of their homes the affordable care act which was supposed to provide universal health care was actually going to lead to the insurance industry has insurance premiums have gone up since then well not a lot especially when the individual mandate made it so that people you had to pay for insurance or you got. tax penalty so that wasn't a good thing for the very very many poor people who still have health care and now at least the individual mandate this gone so people can and who can't afford health

care and who make too much to get on the medicare plans but don't make enough to actually be able to afford quality health care those people were out of luck and they're still going to be out of luck because biden has said he'll veto medicare for all so i mean the people who don't really remember the obama era very well might get excited about joe biden and as you said the democrats didn't challenge him on his record at all because they're hoping that those people don't remember the obama years very well and it's counting on people's amnesia is really a poor strategy for running a winning campaign i mean the only thing that i can think of if they're going to try to make it all about the v.p. and then biden just kind of change into the background and whether they pick the 2nd in command completely circumventing the voters which is we're already hearing so much hype about people like stacy abrams who hasn't won any election in 10 kilometers who of course voters proved early on that they didn't like and that was fortunate khabar took her out on the debate stage but nobody got a chance to take i think his promise it wouldn't do it so i don't know that i think

the democrats might have realized they can live with another term of donald trump because he hasn't you know and in any war and he hasn't stopped giving out money to donors who are also democrats which don't start a lot i think to really deliver the baby which richard i think with this election i think is very interesting because of the in the role that bernie sanders played in the primary he was very strong base ok i mean a unique base of people giving individual donations to and small donations i mean they did master that part of the campaign if you accept the the master of the message was failed bernie sanders eat just didn't have the fire in his belly to win but what i think is interesting about this election is that maybe for the 1st time in a long time anyway this voting. or the lesser of 2 evils may not be in play because i think it is you said i think a lot of people i want maybe sounds and i think a lot of people to sit this one out i think that is going to sit it out

particularly progressives are going to say i'm not going to play your game anymore we never get anything from you ever ok we bend the knee we kiss the ring and then you forget about us ok i think a lot of people would say we're not going to play that game anymore what do you say to them richard. i disagree on a couple counts 1st barack obama sounds like you and hello are in the same boat you don't think much of his presidency everything all the other democrats come through left i come from the right ok bob we think i just say if you ask democrats whether they would take iraq obama over donald trump course i think even helen would concede that would not be close to right and barack obama characterized joke by as having the single most progressive platform of any democratic nominee ever and that's not much play time turning out some people i think it's cabinet hold on and we've seen turnouts we've seen turnout sky high not just frankly in the primaries this year but going back literally since the day after donald trump which

went on great it you take city and state and local races let alone the congressional races in 2018 and through the primaries this year democrats are chomping at the bit to have an opportunity to undo the damage that donald trump has done and again maybe you know held probably got some people that she thinks of who think that perfection should be the enemy that good but most democrats don't think that and most democrats are horrified at the japanese that donald trump has done to the country and jill thin for 4 years unchecked by having to answer to the voters that will motivate democrats if nothing else well again helen so what is the sterling reputation road record of joe biden you know this is a short program i can't keep. you mean too much time to think about that let's go ahead you mean he voted for the 9094 crime bill which one president numbers of

black men in jail for crimes that they are still serving sentences for 20 years later that he could see he voted to. i mean. it's a successful program but he's been behind a whole lot of wars he voted for the iraq war he seemed people who didn't vote for the iraq war and voted for the war in afghanistan he's voted a well actually he was vice president during the during the war in libya and syria and during the other war in iraq he voted for and. we can't forget about charisma because i'm sure donald trump is the real answer is with a vengeance. and china and china ok i so i know i noticed the dueling ads that came out very very interesting this is going to be a nasty campaign or i'm going to jump in here and this is your program we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on joe biden and the democrats.

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because we have this black swan and then called the corona virus which none of us ever could afford or seen i mean i can imagine it's almost hard for me to remember what life was like 6 weeks ago believe me it's really and living in a very strange time ok so i mean it well what is that bullish because it looks like the professional and managerial class the suburbanites and in people of color is that enough to cross the line because again we think the progressive's are such a huge wildcard here what's the coalition your head bridging there when you think about the people who voted for bill clinton and i do you say you want to sizable presidential elections it was everybody you just mentioned and kind of working class whites working class whites. the democratic party but the primary indication they left new orleans to joe biden and i will tell you there's

a reason you know in the past we talked about the election in terms of who would you like to have a beer with i think this year it's like who do you want to have somebody who is decent back in the white house for not and i think look joe biden comes from scranton anywhere said on his sleeve i think it means that he's suffered last personally and he knows what it's like to come up to a working class family and i think it again if the if the primary results are a vacation bernie sanders appeal to those people got their vote twice 16 and joe biden got them this time around in addition to the very people that you ticked off that's a pretty sizable chunk of the american electorate and you get the pollster indication today and i would note every swing state donald trump is losing to choke by joe biden it's not lose any single state that hillary won in 2016 the margins are big but every single one including states like arizona and north carolina let alone

michigan wisconsin pennsylvania donald trump is losing today to joe biden. ok but helen you know i find it very interesting how the media treats all this because after the the the machinations and the the phone calls late in the night after south carolina oversight and everything coalesced i mean there's a doctoral dissertation in there somewhere on that ok there was 48 hours ok but you know joe biden you know he has a reputation to be in the pocket of the credit card companies also he has his he's never turned away he's never disliked one foreign war. and that and got involved in your continued and of course seriousness of what i would call you know believe women a serious sexual. accusation against joe biden which the liberal media will not talk about will not talk about it and i remember very clearly the cabinet hearings

i was very passionate about the rule of law and the presumption of innocence here but you have the liberal media that does it simply does not want to talk about it ok and they only like the new york times watching cause they only started talking about it when bernie dropped out what a coincidence here so i'm very disturbed by that cover the liberal media in a free pass that they give joe when they hammer trump every single day maybe rightly maybe wrongly but they hammer him ok the media is playing a very important role in this election as well go ahead. yes and that's a double standard and that's just pointing to the further discrediting of the media i mean everybody probably recalls 20 still it was 0 not 5 percent certainty that hillary clinton was going to win that everybody loves hillary hillary is just great and then of course election day 'd came and that wasn't the case so i mean the media running interference for biden in doing this very all this favoritism as far as hammering on trial for the assault allegations that come from at least

in one case a very curious place this this person but in the end by against him. the new york times waited i think 33 weeks before even mentioning that this 'd thing existed and he read the interview with the editor of the new york times it's utterly embarrassing him trying to cover for basically a complete collapse of journalistic integrity which not with the times it's had that in a while anyway 'd but still it's the media is doing put a nail in its own coffin by completely circling the wagons around biden and just giving away all pretense of nonpartisan isn't. now you know even you know richard i find it really interesting again you know you've already kind of hinted towards it about breeding decency back into into politics but that's a that's a that's a way to run a campaign ok but at the end of the day it's voting against someone is that going to work this time around is it you the coalition actually is not going to be all

the boxes checked up they're just hoping 2 things hatred towards donald trump and then hopefully he'll screw up the pandemic and in the rigged economic recovery that's a pretty risky strategy don't you think because there are so many variables involved ok and joe playing the decency card i don't know i think that is very naive i don't think we look at politicians as being decent ok i think we look at the are they the person that get things done ok and i've never met joe biden maybe he's a nice guy but he doesn't seem to be all there i mean i've watched a lot of business with him you know i'm no doctor i'm not a position so i'm not going to judge but you know i've come across quite a few elderly people in my life and i recognize what i think could be you condition are you worried about these things you know joe biden has a phrase he says don't compare it might compare it to the alternative if you say

that it will be the democratic nominee but be ready against somebody who cannot pronounce the word origins or i'm not of this thinks that frankly frederick douglas has a great future or who thinks that an american invented the wheel that's to his opponent's going to be so this notion that somehow. is the one who showing some adult deficit . look the fact of matter is this isn't one of them to say this about running against somebody. again i think democrats have this sense of relief the reason that there was this coalescing around joe biden after. or south carolina it was it was obvious there was going to be biden and bernie and a lot of democrats felt uneasy about having a self doubt socialist be the head of the democratic party the notion of keeping control the house of representatives would have been very much in doubt in that instance so and i think there's kind of a sense of comfort with joe biden they know what he's going to do want policies and

they so said a character that you and i know that's the problem but it's them as a problem yes that's the problem but listen how you got to the business about this let me let me just say one thing peter i will believe you and helen and everybody else are taking seriously allegations that what allegation against joe biden by this woman if use is a really where i don't see 20 about the 20 that are actually going to court in her litigating against donald trump because of his assaults on them when i hear that yes i'll believe you meetings a lot and i don't really get here that's a great wakely i don't like the lesser of 2 dimensions and that's 2 great things it doesn't work out like that what a candidate does not race it ripples to nurse the mental. the my point in bringing this ok is i'm not looking haven't got to see if you had nothing to do with being that it really is kind of has been if you're going to come out. i gotta get my my point in bringing that is not to stick it to joe no i'm not is meant in the

reference was made to the media not to joe biden ok and my point is you're right maybe 20 cases a publicly known really being weak ordered and then you have this allegation that the powers that be the most powerful figures in media want to keep quiet and they do everything they can and then they'd do these. hits on this individual woman i thought we were supposed to listen to every single woman in every single claim i'm attacking the media here and i'm not disparaging the character of either drum or biden that was the reason why i brought this up but i want to react to something you said richard said you know the thread about the socialist bernie sanders what is the threat that losing your power or new policies are you is the democratic party worried about both a different way of imagining the work and terrified of losing your power is this it when it gets down to the they go ahead rich or democrats want

a house of representatives by winning swing districts just flip from republican to democrat and democrats why we're so called new democrats pro-business democrats democrats who held themselves out as middle of the road they also want on health care that's the way democrats win 2020 and if anything underscores the value of having health care in this country incidentally not tethered to your top talent at that point about people losing their jobs and therefore losing their health care yes let's have health care not tethered to your job and donald trump would have you have not health care at all you want to have kids on medicaid at all even you would have no insurance but we don't read it carefully i was loved by you know medicare for all so care i'm sure i've not heard of that i'm going to give you the health care that you need and it's what kind of choices that. well the choice is between a candidate who is trying to get the federal government behind people who have

preexisting conditions as opposed to somebody who's trying to strip that away is actress helen or not or is that something that you think is just kind of like up a 5.8 kind of you think if you think about what is going to be tens of billions like obama like obama has kept this promise as you know all those promises he kept it to close guantanamo to end the wars that turned to $1.00 to $7.00 them in latin does not have a history of keeping promises by them have a history of volunteer and the prosecutor himself at large corporations. are saying you're going to settle and probably thinking to himself you can use there are many things like that or i've been rabidly shocked he said you can't want to test for corona virus you could get it back and makes that mark step that's what he said that's going to be the rallying cry this year if you want to test you can get it so says donald trump on march 7th and there's not a soul that believes that that's something he could make good on so that's going to be a promise peter to people remember in 2020 well ok look i'm actually really think that this is the lead the coronavirus crisis and what happens out of your words i

mean this devastation of the economy that is working people being absolutely utterly destroyed during this i mean we're not bogus enough on that because we're focused on the on the power to make this thing goes down the the just it's going to be left behind is going to be even to comprehend let alone deal with and that's going to be the referendum on donald trump rapidly running out of time helen what do you think the chances are of buyer's remorse because that's name of this episode . is joke to make it all the way to the to november or are we going to see a possibility that you know maybe joe kind of be moved along a little bit what do you think when you think the d.n.c. has come in there. i think the convention comes around that they're going to have to have some sort of come to jesus moment then maybe you know maybe we shouldn't pick the guy that's got the sexual assault case against him standing and maybe we should pick a guy who's clearly like sundowning half the time he's on camera and maybe we shouldn't does so what. i mean they're definitely letting him up for it he's being

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