officer reveal. we don't know still justice for the. end of this trial unfortunately you. still love no chill justice for. all can do so if you both visionaries will soon be sure to find one of the most ancient inhabitants of our planet and once again prevent we must take them seriously what is the nature of viruses and why are they there genus with us well i

asked professor john nicholls clinical professor of psychology at the university of hong kong and has been studying carnivorous it for 25 years and east a leading expert in the field. john nicholls clinical professor anthology at the university of hong kong it's really great to have you with us so much to talk about now hong kong who was one of the at the centers of sars epidemic back in 2003 and you were right in the middle of it being the key members of the team which actually isolated the virus why do you think the world hasn't learned the lessons of it and we are where we are right now ok well we did learn the lessons in 2003 and we learnt the hard way because we. in terms of we weren't prepared i think none of what was prepared in 2003 dealing with such a severe disease. and so so the society has learned about things like social

distancing about the use of face masks and also for the preparation within hospitals having special wards which could cope with these emerging diseases which were transmissible and which had a high mortality so. we learned so lessons the hard way so that's why when the outbreak occurred and the general this here we were well prepared so it was a life ok it's it's on time signs again so it was hong kong was that's not the wars that stop the elective. missions and that will just. around the mosque and that seemed to work. ok so you're saying the homecoming actually drew lessons from sars and is doing ok they are thinking of up the entire world because when he has sars it was a letter with a tennessee express love for whatever it is that we're having right now we see both

hong kong and singapore because if i was hit hard by socks in 2003 we were well prepared and so even though we put in the mechanisms we did let other parts of the well no i think the problem was a still this lack of people thought it would have their own countries if they look at hong kong and china and in singapore and indonesia so what was going on unfortunately i think they were probably prepared for dealing with the virus means their own countries and that's why i think some parts of europe and in america find a more so it's a safe. there's no accurate help but notice that actually the care and team measures themselves in hong kong are less strict than here of race and the restaurants are open. correctly get the number of pieces and that's from current allowances low compared to the rest of the world that we see we close the borders

very quickly and also so. and also we also instituted graphically that the testing so we had because we were able to develop the test very rapidly with even towards december we had to test a feral and so there's a rapid testing be able to have the isolation and so we have to keep the numbers well damp so most of the outbreaks which happened pos world has been in so where there's been a large concentration of people light in there are not on the cruise ships especially the cruise ships and also where there's been a large meetings. so those if you had had those areas and i don't think we'll be in such a situation as we are now. dealing it would have to look. if it had only through size i mean how much it is a good thing actually help the situation today ok well i think sars was also very

useful in terms like the treated methods you seen in science when we found that the patients had such the severe lung disease we were using things like steroids and other things which i bitch cause critics a few problems in the in this new outbreak it will learn that they learned what therapies woodworking and what their pieces were not working and so that was actually quite quite useful. i think we're also a bit lucky because also remember how promising a pool i'm very compact and so you only have one central authority which is able to dogma and give a policy and say you don't have large states or regions which can actually institute their own policy. you know i am that. people of how come are so used to washing hands or raring rasul get over with the ink jerimoth of a after sars is that how the whole world is going to be after this and any thing if

you've got you've kind of a variance in point because in hong kong offices we were you know if anybody had a flu or infection and they put on a mosque and it wasn't considered any sort of social statement it was just you know is a way of saying i've got and the on a disparity you know and we don't want to infect other people so there's no social stigma about people running mosques in public mind standing as a in some of the western countries is that the still there is a reluctance to call mosques and one thing but in hong kong based there i don't say that right b.d.s. but i think they know that i put on mosque that would be some sense of helping the community and on not transmitting so and i will say the important aspects about assad is that in all the public facilities and

hand sanitizers people will be cleaning wells elevates bottoms and so that's why i think automatically went into effect. was i think other countries have been quite slow to adopt those techniques and realizing a sense the these farces spreads through direct contacts and so making sure you have a clean environment so these are just lessons which he learnt in 2003 and so it was not that much effort to try and put them into effect. in the end generally every so is already seemingly certain trade on the virus that fat that isn't used to science and scientists. ok so it's an interesting thing isn't even about 3 or 4 months. now learn quite a bit about the process when it 1st started be going to actually an issue about the motor transmission or how lethal it was but there's been quiet and so there's been

color reception so even now straight for much down the road down the road we're actually you know it's an oligarchy you know we've had the marksman growing up since chinese new year the end of january and so we have enough to work out what type of cells in the scripture trying to take effect what damage it's us to cells and also it's a transmission so you know i think within you know 2 history month fresh we've actually done that in hong kong i was running well they've been lots and lots of patients on this far so it's been but the problem is is that they spread artist has been fascia than the amount of information it's i think i think many people didn't underestimate just hot shots this march would spread from around the well we're just getting latest news a there's another outbreak in channel city of carving and a patient has contracted the virus to 78 people this city has been put in

a lockdown in a 2nd wave be in the way before we are even done with the 1st lady i'm thinking right now creating this need. yeah so so basically hong kong went through you know you have similar to other places and there's 3 waves in the initial ones which are the people coming across the border from china and the 2nd one was when we had the local transmissions and the 3rd wave was when the government side could close supporters and they gave about 4 days' notice and so lawsuit it will came back from many from europe especially because they closed and the schools and so many school kids came back and university students and those are the ones that response of that way. and so that so by having the contravening and basically and the testing at the airport if you notice on that one in the bud so so now when people arrive at the airport they'll have a test and they remain at

a. location one of the hotels until they're fans be free and if they're free. to make some cantin if they positive and they go straight hospital do not pass go do not pay $200.00 where they. be monitored and if necessary see treatment so by that way we basically able to monitor and manage all the all these new cases very prate record. we know that the genome of the new kernel virus a very much like sars virus is there any evidence to suggest that those who survived cyrus are immune to this coalition 900 i think that that is a it's that this whole question of immunity is a very challenging one and in a way say it is right is that because they are trying to process and they do have

a similar genetic makeup in the main and then they genes unfortunately at this stage it doesn't look like they'll be much cross protection with saz or with some of the other seasonal chronic process because you're probably very much aware as every year there are seasonal credit process which tend to cause very mild disease and so one of the hopes is that with those actually by some texan this state i think probably not. but the this whole issue of the immunity is one which is. evolving one could say almost day by day because initially he was thinking once you get him in the senate we found it was size is that once you got infected then you'd get a not one could i mean response and so that could go softly protect you against reinfection want to wash fine and with this new cry in a box is that it's

a very calm case a training ain't many patients who get mild disease don't develop any antibodies and then you and even some people you and they're in screening they say they can't find the at so this brace of the problem is that you're not well infection leads to this what's called. the problem is that is it that we've got problems with the tests because many of the tests there's about 4050 companies which are producing tests to develop antibodies and just last week the national chemist anstice in us and met with a policy center which they said unfortunately many of these tests on not all that great for us if they cross react so i think one of the problems is is we have a problem with the diagnosis of. the possum traction and also have some patients apparently don't appear to sarah can bet so it is says whole concept of immunity is

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you now and will get a series of injuries that they're saying that we should expect a 2nd wave the 2nd wave is going to be less kerry and mild air but i'm really sure of that he isn't leaving stanislaw 3 or 802nd wave was the most destructive with the highest quality really we see it at the 2nd wave which happened in 990 s. i seem to be more and more city and also it was also more associated with secondary bacterial infection. we have so many what with same with this code it is that you're not getting the secondary bacterial infection i was who saw that with a more soft and the and so they this whole issue about event the immunity and if i don't eat of course we can't really compare this with influenza for

a number of reasons i see with influenza. we've all been getting. flu or either through vaccination or natural infection every year so our bodies have actually got a nice history that you know 4050 will you know any how old you are of history of exposure to this to an in transit forest with this new coronavirus is it looks like we've got no. previous history so there's actually says no existing immunity so it can be a challenge to build up its site would herd immunity and this would immunity has been based on you know people talk about a 60 percent based on what's called this on or. which is how much they can transmit from person to person. he opened what was that with the chantry expose call it out is that the new estimation is that because of the source for this farce is

that we may need true at shave a bad horse couldn't 80 percent of the population having the antibodies if we can get probably a 3rd immunity so that leads to even more challenges one interesting countries which hasn't done day oscillations in sweden they've been very laid back and saying well you know so let's let's let everybody get infected enya and we'll just you know deal with that. and but they have also put in place a saying that well we still recognize is that the so with all of the incidental they will call the vulnerable is apt to keep those sort of more isolated and so i'm protected so so try to let society get on as much as possible but making sure that those high risk groups are very much. looked off to and that you know the

books if you have ways of making sure that it's proper infection control procedures and people come visit them and they say they were in moscow so they're they're probably doing the right thing on that i say that probably is that a reflection of the disease but it's more a reflection on they have on the health care system and the ability of the health care system to cope with these infections and that maybe number of intensive care beds the number of events laces the access which the population have to. to. hospitals and and aspects like that so. one in one mine actually 2 years saying it every person who got caught 1000 was able to go to hospital right away and the mortality rate would drastically lower than what we're seeing right now we see in hong kong anybody

who gets country positive goes to hospital even those with evil even the asymptomatic and so i mean how does a couple of friends of mine you know if they tested positive and that in a hospital now what we're just going the mountains on a piece in the hospital now after 20 days she's asymptomatic she's in hospital how do we know that correct a virus gets in the in a from the body completely for instance to. h.p.v. settles in solitary e-mailing you know for a long period of time that can potentially cause serious troubles in the future yeah so this is what we've found with with saas is that we say how long does it exist and they say the wait is that people with it been looking at this is by looking at 2 things either fragments of the what's called the r.n.a.

and so we found this with sobs is that because we don't have any good pensions around your bodies is that when patients with sod we're finding fragments of the virus are innate in some of these secretions and install samples for about sometimes you know 2 months after so that we said oh you know this this farce existing for a long time but more. i think the better question should be asked is that how much infectious tarsus there because that's the thing which actually just herman's is it still replicating and the potential for it to transmitted from person to person. and so on if your studies which have been published in the past. months in just looking at the r.n.a. not having been opposed to the infectious virus the proper reason is because especially the projections for you have to culture in the laboratory and that takes time it especially broadsheet and most of the party is not equipped to do that so i

think a you might say find they are in a system of contra time but not necessary be infectious virus so when people talk about things like all of these patients become re-infected you know it could be that the it's just funny bit more are in a after the 1st test was negative so i think we always have to look at some of these reports was it just a little bit of skip's. well there is a view which says that when a very sneaks into a living cell it actually starts to build into cells d.n.a. and that alters the cell and the whole organism subsequently so if you look at it that way does it even mean that viruses in the sands are drivers of evolution. they have you know this is a many people who looked at. 70 both bacteria and parasites have been drivers of evolution. because people looked at the great apes and some of the changes that you

can see from your work and from hundreds of thousands of years ago him inside bacteria or far spears or you know it's malaria or that sort civilization. because with any night about viruses and for. a 100 years it's behind me now it's really go back and see how much they have. changed and how much servitude to change evolution i think is that this is talk about you know the past has made talk of might wonder not like some bacteria but i guess the evidence for that for these crimes process is not very strong yet so we've heard there is a language of the virus in order to eavesdrop and sort of learn how to destroy. these this or that they didn't pay for a bit fish look at that. however viruses are really just

a long string strand of r.n.a. you know they don't really have any any intelligence. and they're always changing. like you know the influenza virus is they change from year to year and you know and and this process it's changing a little bit and in fact once you mutations every month. and is that it's a way of i don't say natural selection is just a way because they is an increase in a farce his that they are always there to proofread to make this mission. totally great so. it's a way it's it's just. you know what was he ought. to say something and i live recess to you a living or another living thing. to me then on living they just.

fragments of. material those viruses cannot replicate unless they have another host. so if you so that's why the the preferred which was done on the bar she says if you leave this crime in virus on the surface that at 4 degree celsius it can remain intact for about 2 weeks but at $5063.00 celsius it will become intoxicated after 30 minutes so i'm cells bosses. who sort of become an expatriate naturally they don't come in since the message is always saying that what we're saying that the virus is the host and if they don't have a host then they die how do you explain that it 19 virus action states and surfaces for days. so. they battle which is is

that it is as you mention is that so viruses need the host to replicate so the challenge is if they if it kills off the cell. path defects before it can. release enough progeny. and you identify virus growth bosses being released infect other cells. so what this this and that's why this virus is. very efficient transmission because the studies which are done in all of our show that you can actually replicate quite a lot without killing off the cell so other all the time this is it has so if it is many hundreds and thousands of copies the wrong way the obvious self so that's way it can actually replicate and then spread. to it try the process of the with

the misprision before it starts of course into that's why this is more asymptomatic and other than for other process influenza viruses for instance they kill off this they start killing the cell within back one to 2 days after infection with this virus in these 55 to 6 days so you're basically getting production of farrakhan piece but it's at a cell remains intact and not destroyed for about 5 days. you know. there's a lot of staycation right now in the western media that the new virus could have escaped from the chinese institute of your allergy mohan which researchers say fact parasites like current virus can owsley pressure off any of these claims that could this be true i mean can the virus actually is stable at and cause a pandemic late this well.

this happened in 1987. is that. a it's basically a thought that a. h one n one which went which emerged and cool city influenza escaped from a you know it was a you that an accidental inflectional release from a liberace knocking somebody 7 and then it's speculation in the rather well until 2000 and not so they have been instances where it has been released so far says. about this release of this from a who they say you know that's that's sort of speculation is web site my my my my eyes go on that you know i think. i'm sorry i can't comment on that.

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welcoming of us from around the world live from central london this is r.t. u.k. . the u.k. government's flagship covered 19 home testing website shuts down hours off your evening despite promises from the health secretary that says wales follow scotland with a lot down exit plan. the opposition labor party claims dozens of companies have offered to make personal protective equipment for frontline medical staff but have been ignored by the government. research finds that 70 percent of all coronavirus deaths among frontline staff are people from ethnic minority backgrounds as the opposition labor party launches a review into the impact of the virus on these communities we hear from an equality campaign

a. stark difference in virus that's between northern ireland and the republic leads to questions about the u.k.'s approach i'll be talking to an irish doctor. and the e.u. accuses the u.k. of dragging its heels on post breaks it talks saying it can't refuse an extension if it doesn't keep moving forward we'll hear from my europe correspondent. the u.k. government's coronavirus testing site shuts down within a few hours of opening as the chief medical officer warns of a 2nd or even 3rd peak that's as the welsh minister fall of scotland by proposing a long down exit strategy despite westminster still refusing to reveal nationwide planning well to you casey serai joins me now with all the latest hi there isa so what is the current situation regarding testing and p.p.a. well we know that throughout this crisis to have been calls on the government to

increase the supply of the front line and it just starts now of course as the death toll continues to rise we look at. the latest figures of people who have sadly died 684 in hospitals across the u.k. after testing positive for coded 19 there are still those calls for these supplies to continue now yesterday we've seen with regards to testing the government announcing that there would be a step up in the number of tests we also saw earlier this week m.p.'s and ministers claiming that we've reached the peak of this crisis but the chief medical officer. just in the last few moments in committee has told m.p.'s that it's too early to say that the u.k. has reached a peak because we don't have or we haven't seen enough people around the country tested positive for cover 19 and so it's possible there could be yet another people taking early if not measures are lifted now matt hancock yesterday with regard to

testing said that the government are undergoing a new strategy that would see a front line and it has staff and those living in their households prioritized to receive tests we can make it easier faster and simpler for any essential worker in england who needs a test to get a tast from today employers of essential workers who will will be able to go on gov dot u.k. to get a test for any of their staff who need a task and from tomorrow any essential workers who need a tast will be able to book an appointment on gov dot u.k. themselves directly this is all prize for people in essential workers households to who need a test it's all part of getting britain back on her feet. but already this morning the web site that have been set up to allow those front line

staff to access that test they closed down it opened at 8 am home testing kits run out of 830 and the website closed at 10 and that's just an indication perhaps of just how high the demand is for this type of testing kit now the department of health and social care took to twitter to apologize for any inconvenience caused to those n.h.s. workers who wanted to get tested but it's all it's not just testing which is causing an issue p.p.a. and those supply chains again raising issues for the government you know that over the weekend there were a number of kits supposed to come in from turkey well that equipment have landed but there are issues with the amount of gear that has come in that shipment 32000 gallons from turkey but that's only enough to last around

a day several hours in fact for at h.s. workers to use so clearly not enough for the frontline staff the shipment was supposed to contain 400000 as well as $84000.00 tons of protective equipment. this surely the government said that 140000 gallons had made their way from and they'll be trying to keep continuing to source these pieces of equipment but frankly speaking many on the front my s.s. working staff say that is simply not enough and that the government has to look at those types of companies within the country who are offering their services to provide these kids well if that's what about the protective equipment what about plans then to ease the lockdown eventually so yesterday scotland announcing that they had devised an exit plan today it was the turn of whales in the welsh 1st minister announcing that their government there have got

a plan for lifting lockdown measures but similar to scotland a number of criteria have to be met before that lockdown is that it then sets out the certain questions we will use when we consider each option for relaxing restrictions would easing a restriction have a negative effect on containing the virus does a particular measure pose a low risk of food or infection how can it be monitored and enforced can it be reversed quickly if it creates an intended consequences does it have a positive economic benefit does it have a positive impact on people's well being and importantly does it have a positive impact on equality. now we've seen a you gov poll carried out to try to gauge public trust and some interesting numbers

there the public trust boris johnson still by a majority 51 percent say they trust him more than they trust kids storm of the new labor leader but far as the media is concerned public trust is low of those responding saying they don't trust even the broadcast media and even fewer trust in the print media when it comes to how they've covered this crisis interesting figures they say thank you very much indeed. but it's very important the dozens of companies who've offered to make personal protective equipment for frontline health care workers have been ignored by the u.k. government the opposition labor party says it's been contacted by over 30 different companies who have approached the government with offers to help but have received no reply while labor said that other phones who approach the party include one company that can provide up to 8000 facials per day m.p. rachel reeves has written a letter to her counterpart in government michael gove she's called on the government to clearly outlined the number of companies that have offered to make

p.p.a. and the number of office taken up while the government says all orders need to be properly assessed we are incredibly grateful thousands of offers of support from suppliers as part of the national effort to ensure that p.p. is reaching the frontline we are working rapidly to assess these offers ensuring they meet the safety and quality standards that our n.h.s. and social care workers need and prioritizing offers of larger volumes. the letter i was joined by manufacturer michael luttig and who owns a company that's offered to make p.p.a. he understands the government's desire to carry out quality control checks but wishes the communication was clear of course they're going to check our standards but they haven't actually talked to us they haven't asked for a sound book there's been no communication other than through some clunky quite difficult portrait of what a web portal and that's it this was a normal commercial life it would well it wouldn't it wouldn't happen like this but

one thing which we can do on our own or a laser cutter which we have but that is a bit slow now with that class our assembly we could make 10000 kits a week and we could be up and running within 6 days however i'm looking at partnering with a packaging company that could count those vices that appear by this is a much quicker. than we could throw a laser cutter through a diary cutter they could they could cut a lot more than we could do and if there are those discussions are successful we could be making 324-0000 standard 3 shields per week so impressive numbers that mean have you considered selling your kid to board like some other companies are doing i'm not interested in doing that thank you know and i will party in the meantime scott on the government back companies like yours i mean are you hopeful that all the change in policy. but i would hope so i mean monkey point is all of our workforce of the government is paying their wages to sit

at home i'm saying to them look i've got skilled workers in bridgeville british workers ready to put the show to the will and they could come back and work and not be paid to sit at home why not. for shows almost 3 quarters of all coronavirus deaths among health and social care workers the people those ethnic minorities. it's been found that 72 percent of all national health service and social care workers who have died with the virus are black asian and other ethnic minorities however people from these groups make up over 40 percent of all and h.s. medical stuff 20 percent of patients who have died with coronavirus across england are also from ethnic minority backgrounds and that compares with around 14 percent of the total population the n.h.s. direct to for workforce race and equality has expressed his concerns about the patent the fact that a high number of black and minority ethnic staff are dying from this pandemic is a worry for us what we do know is that every member of our n.h.s.

workforce is absolutely committed to patient care but they may be part of the workforce that see working in the n.h.s. as more of a vocation than an occupation and we really need to understand the reasons behind some of these deaths. well the war on this and are joined by equality campaign that currently on the road a country many thanks for joining us i understand you've met the government today about the decision and how did it go. it was an interesting roundtable from different organizations. some from the charity sector and a collection of politicians from the party and i felt it was a useful exchange but i think there are still big questions to be inserted in respects of why this prevalence of disproportionate impacts on

bone communities has become and he should be less not then the proportions in terms of the n.h.s. that while that proportionately more frontline black and minority ethnic stuff. i think was a mixture of factors in terms of the type of work that same community members are engaged in in the n.h.s. it tends to be front line. but i think with the surprising statistic that came out of today was the fact that 119 medical school staff have now died which was you know quite sobering for many of us there having to face that stat i think that obviously the question of underlying health conditions such as diabetes and heart disease has been done to fight as a as a particularly problematic respects in coronavirus and added to that the issue of type 2 diabetes but i think that. the concern is that

also in terms of risk situations there is a tendency for people from buying backgrounds to be placed in these positions not just in respect of the united chest but also in care homes and again this is been an issue that's been discussed over the last 2 weeks some of us look at the population as a whole across the whole population the death rate largely reflects the overall proportion of b m e people doesn't that. yeah you know so i think that if we're looking at. demographics it's one way of actually breaking it down you can also look at them comparisons in terms of the working population but either way you size it up there is a disproportionate number of people from bame communities that are have become fake tallaght is through this and i think those researches how specialist they're not

into this i've come to the conclusion that there's something that needs to be investigated further here because even if you allow for. the concentrations of high concentrations of bigamy populace in the census like london and the midlands it still looks as if it's out of kilter with normal rates of death and a bit like the part is long since i read here into the to think very quickly if you don't mind that will have an impact. and i thinks several inquiries have been launched including obviously the public health insurance. review but i think that we're not going to get to the bottom of this probably until we get to the tail end of this emergency situation. there's an urgency to begin to look at this but i think whether the issues are medical or primary social i think that

a lot of the. suggestions being put forward are really no more than guesswork i think we need to do something more rigorous that is and the numbers are of me down exactly comey and i did make the other joining us thank you. so to got this out. the u.k. is accused of dragging its heels during the latest round of post breaks it talks we hear my europe correspondent. and data shows a sharp difference in virus death rates on both sides of the irish border leading to questions about the u.k.'s approach on me talking to an irish doctor.

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trucker was kaiser. welcome back different approaches to fighting coronavirus on the island of islands are likely to have led to widely varying death rates between the north and the republic that's according to data compiled by queen's university in belfast so far the republic of ireland has recorded over 17 and a half 1000 cases with just under 800 deaths one northern island which has about a 3rd of the overall population has recorded under 2000 cases and 200 $76.00 deaths but when the difference in population is taken into account northern highlands death rate is much higher $87.00 per 1000000 people compared to the republic's $59.00 only including those who died in hospital northern ireland registered $115.00 deaths compared to the republic 71 last month irish prime minister lee of

radko said he discussed a one island approach to combating the virus with boris johnson. government house to make their own decision to take the advice of their medical experts their scientists situation is different in different countries the circular spoke by mr johnson we. bring his attention to the facts of our lives. are. many ways when it touches. he believes like read it in the right order name for such. but no nonsense approach to the virus has been more in step with the rest of the u.k. dublin introducing measures more quickly their public close at schools and banned mass gatherings on march the 12th well know that on and waited until march the 18th dublin also controls that shot that on march 15th but the u.k. didn't begin its lockdown until almost a week later last testing for the virus is also being restrained unlike the

republic which has engaged in community testing and contact tracing. well on this i'm joined by dropping by still to matthew a tool matthew thank you very much indeed for joining us some interesting data that from queen's university belfast why is there such a difference you think yeah well look i mean the figure seeking the child there at the moment in the republic of ireland we have several 1000 vacant hospital beds at the moment we never saw the stories that you get with the even the north but particularly london. and we had a comedian approach so if you look at what we're doing here in our land it was completely the opposite of what was being done in the u.k. and also up in the north we saw very very early on that the model we had here and argue with test test test we were doing patent the test for a week here we were doing active contact tracing and we very quickly brought the country into a lock and we started coding rescued very quickly rigidly implementing social distancing and we're now in our 4th week of locked and there are members at this time a month ago the u.k. was going in a completely opposite direction with very lax social distancing no talk of lockdown and really testing with incredibly lax and if you look the figures now i think

history will say that their approach that we took here in the republic with the correct one and that in foresee there was a huge delay making any to the beef decision in the united kingdom which affected the north given that a while and solution would have helped. absolutely i mean if you looked at the situation a month ago in our we had this ludicrous situation whereby in the republic we had to close we had a situation where rocky entered into a lot of them and we disagree and we were testing as many people to be could see that the test and aggressively contact racing and then a kilometer across the border the schools were open there were no restrictions in terms of movement and testing with my impossible to achieve and on days would be if we had adopted all our lives approach then we would have seen a reduction the number of deaths in the north but also with significant reduction the number of cases we have mass control of the spread of coronavirus or covert 1000 on our land and we never saw the 3rd so if we had adopted north island approach it would have on days of the last led to reduce that in the north and i think that in production the number of cases well there's also been history has i mean we saw good crossbow to cooperation during the 2001 foot and mouth disease

outbreak i mean why do you think this time around then this practice has been with faces. i think it's political i think rivet's taylor situation and the north where the government of the north is just going up and running and i think there was a particularly strong view taken by the u.p.a. which remains as a large party within the north basically that things should be kept in line with their you know you can kind of parse this is unfortunate and if you look back in history when we had the fortnight break in the u.k. and ireland what happened at that time was we actually had an all armed approach to foreign medicine that was incredibly successful so i think the answer to that question is that with imports the classical interference really from the u.k. but also to keep the do you people are actually which is a if you produce a happy and that did lead to adverse outcomes unfortunately well you know the not and that full based on everything that you said sort of doomed to have high numbers to foolishness the republic went up in was much more aggressive any than the u.k. when it came to testing and content try saying yes and evidently as i said i mean

what we're doing here at the moment is we're testing we're actually upscaling our testing and we're trying to do about 100000. public. and we have active duty testing at the contact tracing at the moment which obviously is very different to what's happening across the border and it's important that because that means there's 2 kinds of the care and 2 different definitions in terms of what case the covert 19 is i think importantly what we're seeing here as well is the kind of strict lock and restrict social distancing measures that the schools remain cotes now things have changed and we've kind of caught up with a guarantee that the united kingdom or the north caught up with the with their republican counterparts here in the republic of ireland but again the testing remained predominantly hoppity based whereas here now as i said the vast majority rejecting is actually community based on the focus now is on mexico to control the i break a number that we're seeing there at the moment and that's enough here to make thanks for joining us. well the 2nd round of breck's it

trade talks has finished with officials in brussels expressing frustration saying the u.k. is dragging its feet artie's europe correspondent peter oliver has more from burning. bush said he was disappointed with the progress being made co one of the in the productivity coming from the british side the e.u. chief negotiator in these breaks it did a nice break that talks said there were 2 key important dates one of them in june 1 of them in december the june date is essentially the cutoff to extend the withdrawal agreement. does the december dates and that's the date that britain will if there is no extension leave the european union in an economic sense of course they already left in a political sense earlier this year. and they will essentially the customs union they will also leave the single market with all of the economic issues that are said to come with that as it stands at the moment in fact michel barnier talked about at the moment it would be an economic shock coming with inside inside an

already quite serious economic shock talking about the problems to europe and the u.k. economy that are coming up from the corona crisis that we're facing at the moment the current u.k. stance mr barnier pointed out is to reject an extension of the withdrawal agreement written into that agreement is the ability to extend it by one to 2 years at the moment the u.k. says they're not interested in not mr bania responded saying if they're not interested in what they need to make progress because the clock is ticking we cannot accept to make sure that if progress on a limited set of issues henri we need to look for grants on all issues in button it we need to find solutions and. topics. you cannot refuse direct on the transition and a decision that i don't slow down discussions on important areas well michel

barnier pointed out that the as far as he's concerned there are 3 key areas of focus whether there will be an extension to the withdrawal agreement but of course comes up in june how to what type of deal would be in place if there isn't an extension come the end of december what type of economic deal would be in place and also what type of partnership agreement basically what type of relationship the united kingdom and the european union will have post break that if it is going to be at the end of the symbol whether that comes with a deal or without a deal he said that that being 40 plus video conferences over the last week between the 2 sides but pretty much described them as disappointing there are many more talks set to co-op over the next couple of months but that june deadline is looming fast michel barnier is saying this really steps that going to have to be taken

progress is going to have to be made otherwise the big decisions going to have to make there whether there will be an extension to the withdrawal agreement or not. and finally while locked down for us means social distancing for the animal world it seems to be an entirely different story.

but we'll be back with more news at the top of the ousia get that.

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