was. there. a lot of welcome to welcome part of you in less than 2 months our notion of a work life balance has been trained and it's had many a lesson the longing for the being screen used a little bit about our jobs and resenting the things we used to have free beer about our private lives the historically unprecedented response to the call with 9 to make has definitely nasty with our life standing what will they just will be

alive once it's over to discuss that i'm now joined by kitty in the short run a russian political scientist and a popular you tube are you can tell it's always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out your high asking out it's it's a kind of. life balance. where you get to your study it's a kind of going to write a song think brings that kind of that forces you to your day. and in fact i think you in particular have been talking about in merging all work and private life as a major social in a labor trance for quite some time ok you're going to get me there's a. yeah and i'm sorry to say but it's reached its. unexpected aparajita with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you have had a chance to adjust to well on the on how do we ave

a privilege people who academicians so we used to leave this way before it was mainstream on tao the have it's evident that it's not normal and that he shouldn't conceive it should be like that surprising to me tommy was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing i said that to. rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that it's all out * there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and that's not insider information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting the evil they ask usually bad that used to be so cancelled so it's such a long time once you are deprived

a whole days you'll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates while i hate to break it to you we are social species and it's their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work writing done not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrict actions on social and mobility how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no go. mountain the world has an interest in keeping its citizens flocked so they that have a virus will go by the list your rules and restrictions will remain i think it's a. scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested

in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of russian citizens and the people all around the world this will be cared for really. restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back our services will revive but * some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who. are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people receive their salaries. but why is the staying at home period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primarily job giver in russia since well since it's

a long time ago but just 14 the number of people died it will likely grow even more because other. workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well at the mill state is it isn't in good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations. also a very limited group of people and we're talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who this virus of about only that die how considerations would be prioritized over everything else given where we are right now gee think it was

ultimately a good call on the part of a very just to you know could these people and how to spell and ignore everything else take place and they end of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jat this other governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know how it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for political science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even though it's just laced them and the neck and the floor employed during this week's crisis has very large similarities so it's not the question also although horses being more a factor in a democracy has been more effective it's rather rational to rely on being in the same not this scenario where this should tell us that it is so diverse governments have the reason for acting like they act even at so great an economy

and what would that be. the cost. well. i heard you say before that the reason why you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come and the cost of many other lives we are talking about you know either patients who ran be able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad we're talking about. domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times we're talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of gold the andranik and the response to it comprehensively is it's really such a humanistic response isn't it actually saving some and more safety in the other.

we can ask people for a long term consequences because we're going to have we don't know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. then it all go away and. we don't need to imagine that we can look at. the example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. is slightly higher but it's not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that these you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does a touch of that medical specialists are even listed in economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example we don't ease not counted they did nothing about it and it cost little as a country that did not employ legislative follies restrictions on its citizens

until speeches all school restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life another country says different from the country so they do have a kind of course but it's a common day so it's not it's not obsolete i agree with you but it's far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what he did to my mind is the culture of this so-called phenomena and safe it is not that we see in some u.s. colleges which creates a moral hazard for college administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils agitation and critical thinking and i wonder if together with this common $1000.00 pandemic we're also witnessing the outbreak

is not all departed governments when they think that it's better to be saved and story even though distraction you may be safe and. you're going to say for a while also just read on story about on the kind of consequences that that calm. but when i was saying and continues to say that this matters around them. as do the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it can't just say let's let the light go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women who will lead or not with the business as usual that isn't possible they need to share that they take a stance and but be it in addition you feel on your even if this is costly.

rationally but then that's the only outsider i fear and i don't the time including on the russians they don't channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate it's a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions do could likely be sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i don't understand i haven't heard anyone are really clearly why do we have to isolate everybody i'm going to become a chokehold instead of isolating be specific research the population has a higher chance of and in that ending up in the emergency care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you i'm a very wrong person to put this question to but what i say. the circumstances let's watch the consequences that's what we're social site is do let's wait till the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the

healthy economy of the u.s. rebound may be quite speedy and that it will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that killed elasund. the human cost. than everything came back normal effects of this will serve as a kind of excel. right search to an economic crisis or an economic stagnation that has already in all its weight and that'll be a whole different thing in jesus christ we are in that you know kind of not the best at all we do how they virus but we also how. it connects the nation for all of that was there before and we shall be a president the oil. crisis which has not begun begin to take real consequences we will see for example a sequester and all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit and we'll see if they're necessary in adam all cutting off sounding of budgets or responding

at the very moment while society as a whole is extracting are there well takes or how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses let's take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have survived that if you want some real or a colleague sick prophecy you should i could name a few names. so here you are people that's what you need. so i am getting boring noticed. i will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break let's take a moment but we'll be back in just a few seconds they can.

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welcome back to worlds apart from the key to getting this from them that russian political analyst economic just before the break we were talking about how common 1000 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other it's a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they are in the area than it otherwise would have been and even before these are dynamic beasts kind of diseases south late diseases disease is also a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because of their snow balling cost for example just in the united states they're in the federal budget goals into medicare and about that of medicare it is child of

diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being we treat health as our turn signal issue do you think that's a sustainable social norm at a time when society is that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are. easily preventable we do not know the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but it's data so far will be able to fully judge only when it's over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as south inflicted although of course there is a connection between the old way of life and the way are sealed as also genetics. inclination or does inclination towards a disease so it's not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd procedure

your original questions about the august the 6th type of privacy and this is a very busy interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because it's social and it's political. by a policy or by a politics of the way the state or society are all the needy all the lords and early on and on who the lord interferes directs your physical. what things are allowed and what. you doing. with your body what was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a pair of judge for example with a look to vaccinate their child. before that we've been all of this our general liberal drop off our my body my decision and if ringback i harm myself a way of making this decision is yes again it's not wrong it's being used in the

future with me society even liberal society made as told after their parents are relations course 4 on one hand a we share do you perceive the family as at last as safe have privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of either from the earliest on their own. base as we do in fish here our society and legislative systems interfere but it comes to you ses all development well this jailhouse now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of public goods to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states it's interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example * for moments a risk in public places as

a customary thing as we have now those safeguards are restrictions on the measured service and now where we got years during the last 20 years that reading search error search oh yes we girls will strain. the airports at any public location maybe we will see the same kind of range that will measure our got a temperature or maybe you are an arab body weight because this is one of the. major factors risk factors allo still diseases including call it 98 it's a major risk factor it is by weight what you put in your bio. is not going to be on lee your decision or is it going to be at least inquired a matter of society because and the end of the day you ask society to pick up the bill for your damaged in later years well you may recall asked how the number of scandals rob so it's

a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. actual grams and it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge a high price is what it's such a meal with it's discrimination or not and now it's that was an innocent debate. he's now a dick. so. that the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you. things that you think beneficial for society and people who are waiting more again. are large do you know if you teach children healthy lifestyles and teach every school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us

a science you tell. me what the line between the lines between * christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers in democracies and yet me know that democracy is on base from. paralyzed i mean the challenge you raise in the united states from call it like to these the highest in the world and it's the highest in the state's mid to high straights of business and i heard you say recently that consumer is we just very directly related to the consumer business here just a comment 19 is gone is not going to kill it and and the center of consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally. compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human lives is that to really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect me not of the united states which means a lot spends

a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy health care is and the verge of bankruptcy because it's not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as types 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who are children will have to take cheryl i think it's a question of intergenerational you know soul and tired. in fairness why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine always children the general generational. as just this is the sort of very healthy people who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt and to become members of society so we care to going back to a start and since you feel when you're born. with

a 100 percent says that they're not going to have what he can also get i'm sure a solution of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good health not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day this is and easily preventable problem you know we can't talk about authoritative societies but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth it's only now control if it ensures very wary of you know like you change a lot of money both to unite the state and also make people understand that this understanding you'll need a vacation a program not as system off fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be a lawyer and while diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name we're not going to change that we're not going to have an area of the long healthy young people we're going to have a lot of people on that

a healthy young. they are our competitor it's now also citizens that they stay or send workers they contribute to society and they demand some things decided from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to leave and we're not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes a side of bye bye as i would say educating that i would vary my. argue in favor of changing did occasionally programs even gardens and in schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we don't teach them at all meaning i am there and if i was shining on their old body and the importance also as you say what they told you in their house i think i just think that every child should be taught to cook and every chance will be what what is out it's what and what is not and what is jack for what he should years and what isn't a boy we are now and 3 we have and were obese so called stay at.

regime which is not real obligatory been in the oven and everybody many people seem to comply with it i wonder how disciplined you are in observing the city hall recombination. i strongly suspect of not being disciplined is rather crude alleged being able to get severe disability or to be able to comply is rather a privilege than a virtue i can do that i have. to i have some how i have certain resources which do not make my situation materially tragic so i can enjoy having my children with me and they can study alive and we have enough devices so it's not something that i did by my or by an except ourselves and i can do all that i can imagine people with different kind of jobs 'd bus drivers. medical workers crowded a ball to comply with this restrictions so i'm sad for all that and i will and i'll

be able to do this for a few more weeks even is necessary to my own house and for the general wellbeing of society like everybody else i do hope it will be over and like everybody else i will be even more thankful when i'll be able to meet my students and their son because the conference is all very well but it's not teaching well it is stitching but it's about 25 percent also. what is should they i do know how to see that they have the will come back. and then just a day then i'd be able to come to do your studio and you know there are some instead. of they're looking forward to it but before we say goodbye just let me ask you one more question because if you know conversation to say the russians is complete without quoting our great poet under pushkin who. once when he himself was under quarantine of the milk's or worse down cholera even though he himself trained out a very productive. own seclusion unlike what here are i don't think we're going to

try to any problems. well that's actually my question of what's in your personal recipe a young apathy add a stain and that so many people are complaining about these days and isn't that one of the challenges of. isolation a regime that faggot people live regardless of their circumstances they're struggling on the mental and psychological problems started our conversation with me saying that there's a quality of intellectual work although it's so boring to do all but the quality of pencil actual work is going down in the absence of a societal compact a so what we know yes will we do the software and the product. suffers from the consequences oh what i do is i think what they want also is doing i try to get my scan you know place i had my google calander we sure as my life so i try to go to

bat at reasonable i work i even started doing some sort of exercises which i never did so i just seriously does all this kind of thank you know what i do i skip it is actually back to her responsibility it is they see you have to keep your immune system in a good shape winds here catch the virus once you mean about 19 or seriously you old you i don't care you're a enjoy but i actually do it out again having my family are with me is it great how our children seem to enjoy the extra day don't have to go to school and they have to experience with that so they seem rather to like it and if they like something the battles we can't hold at you. while you get there is always a great pleasure talking to you but these kinds of isolation is doubly so thank you very much for being with us today thank you and then he'll told watching so they how being take care of your southland help the syrian dance next weekend.

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