ok the only really i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. a lot of welcome to well to part in less than 2 months our notion of work life balance has been trained and it's had many of us in longing but it being screen used a little there about our jobs and resenting the things we used to be or about our private lives the historically unprecedented response to the call with 9 to make

has definitely masked our life static what will they do it will be a lie once it's over well to discuss that i'm now joined by you could see in the short run a russian political scientist and a popular you tube or if you didn't it's always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out out it's a case of kind of. low life balance all over again when you get to your study it's a kind of going to write a song think brings a candle that forces you to your day. and in fact i think you in particular have been talking about in merging all work and private life as a major social in a labor trance for quite some time i think you're going to get me that there's a. yeah and i'm sorry to say but it's reached. unexpected aparajita with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you. have had

a chance to adjust it well on the on how do we ave a privileged people hey academicians so we used to leave this way before it was mainstream own down to have it's evident that it's not normal and that he shouldn't conceive it should be like that surprising to me and tell me was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing i said that to. rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that it's all out there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and that's not insider information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting the evil behalf usually bad that used to be so

cancelled so it's such a long time once you are deprived a whole days you'll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates well i hate to break it to you we are social species and it's their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work wearing down not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrictions on social and mobility how much longer do you think they sit around and well can afford to maintain that no government in the world has an interest in keeping its citizens flock so they that have a virus will go by this still rules at risk. will remain i think it's

a panicky scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of precious citizens and people all around the world this will be cared for really. restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back sarah says will revive but some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who. are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people receive their salaries. but was the stain your pro period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been

primary job giver in russia since well since it's a long time ago but just because i'm 14 the number of people directly or indirectly and debts owed to the state for this whole race has grown it will likely grow even for the course of the. workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well as the mill state is it is in a good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations also a very limited group of people and we're talking about 10 to 15 percent of the.

elation who this virus of claims about only the die how considerations would be prioritized over everything else given where we are right now do you think it was ultimately a good call on the part of a very jewish to you know could these people and how to style and ignore everything else take place and they end of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jat this other governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for political science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even though it's just lace them and the neck and the floor employed during this week's crisis has very large similarities so it's not the question also although courses being more attractive a democracy has been more effective it's rather rational to rely on being of the same not this you know everything rather should tell us that it is so diverse

governments have the reason for acting like they act even it's so great an economy and what's going to be. the cost. well. i heard you say before that the reason why you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come and the cost of many other lives we're talking about you know either patients who ran be able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad we're talking about. domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times we're talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of gold the andranik and the response to

compress how severely is it really such a humanistic response isn't it actually saving some and more safety in the other. we can ask people for long term consequences because we're going to have we don't know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. then it all go away and. we don't need to imagine that we can look at. the example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. is slightly higher but it's not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that these you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does it matter that medical specialists are even specialists in economy but i must have an issue with

a swedish example don't ease not conscious that did nothing about it and what i'm is a country that did not employ legislative restrictions on its citizens until speeches all school restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life in northern countries is different from the country so they do have a kind of course but it's uncommon dasent it's not is not absolutely a great idea but it's far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed or are. recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what do you do my mind is the culture of this so-called phenomenon of safe it is and that we see in some u.s. colleges which creates a moral hazard for college administrators to overreact to every complaint from

a student and we ultimately imperils agitation and critical thinking and i wonder if together with this common $1000.00 pandemic we're also witnessing the outbreak is not all departed governments when they think that it's better to be saved and story even though distraction as you might say it's. all right you're going to say for a while also just read on story about on the kind of consequences that that calm. but when i was saying and continues to say that this matters around them. as did the consequences they had high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it can't just say let's let the light go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women.

but then that's the only outsider i feared i don't have time including on the russians they don't channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate it's a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions to treated lightly sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i don't understand i haven't heard anyone are really clearly why do we have to isolate everybody i'm going to become a chokehold instead of isolating beast is to decrease the population at least have a higher chance of and in that ending up in the emergency care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you i'm a very wrong person to put this question to but * what i say. the circumstances let's watch the consequences that's what we're social site is do let's wait till the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the

healthy economy of a rebound maybe quite speedy and that will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that killed elasund. the noble cause but if ever bad everything came back normal effects of this will serve as a kind of accelerates or to an economic crisis or an economic stagnation that has already in all its wake that'll be a whole different thing. we are in. you know and all that and all the best all we do know how they virus but we also know how. economics the nation for a little that was there before and we shall be i'm president of oil prices crisis which has not altered and began to take real consequences we will see for example a sequester and all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit and we'll see if they're necessary inevitable cutting off sounding of budgets or responding

to the party melon society as a whole is expecting. takes a how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses let's take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have some right that if you want some real or a colleague take prophecy you should i could name a few names. so here you are people that's what you need. so i am getting very noticed. i will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break let's take a moment but we will be back in just a few seconds making. our.

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welcome back to worlds apart from the keep it in the song in that russian political analyst economic just before the break we were talking about how common 1000 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other it's a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they. are definitely earning than it otherwise would have been and you know before obese domenech beast kind of diseases south is related diseases diseases also a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because of their snow balling cost for example just in the united states they're in the federal budget goes into medicare and about that of medicare it is child to

diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being we treat how to as our turn signal issue do you think that's a sustainable social norm at a time when society is that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are easily preventable we do not know how the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but it's data we'll be able to. gedge only when it's over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as inflicted although of course there is a connection between the old way of life and the way are sealed as also genetics. inclination or does inclination towards a disease so it's not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd proceeds to

your original questions about the august the 6th type of privacy and this is our this is very interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because it's social and it's political. by a policy or by a politics of the way the state or society are all the needy all the lords and early on and on who the lord interferes directs your physical. what things are allowed and what. you doing. with your body you are was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a pair of judge for example with the look of x. to make a child full before that we've been all of this our general liberal drop off our my body my decision and if ringback i harm myself a way of making this decision yes again it's not wrong it's melting isn't the fear

with me society even liberal society it made as told after their chav parents are relations course 4 on one hand a we share 2 of their c. of the family as a cast as safe have privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of other from merely a small aroma base as we do interfere our society and our legislative systems interfere but it comes to you and you phase of development. well just jail house now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of probably good to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states is interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in public places as a customer if as we have now those safe it's

a restrictions on the measured service and now we're what we got years during the last 20 years that we have being search area searched no beds are being opened others will go straight. to airports at any public location maybe we'll see the same kind of range that will measure our got a temperature who are maybe you're an arab by the way because this is one of the. major characters risk factors allo still diseases including comet 98 it's a major risk factor it is by weight what you put in your bio. is not going to be on lee your decision is or isn't going to be at least inquire the matter of society because and the end of the day you ask a society to pick up the bill for your damaged in later years well you may recall at how the number of scandals wrap so it's

a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. actual grams and it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge a high price is what it's such a meal with it's discrimination or not and now it's that that was an innocent debate. and now it becomes. so. that the question the real question is the question off policy. measures how do you . things that you think beneficial for society and people who are waiting more again a sort of a cigar or do you know if you teach him healthy lifestyle and didn't teach every a school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us a science you. may be be what the line between the

line between * christmas and general christmas eve make it into a distinction between the talkers in democracy as any other me know that democracy is on base from. paralyzed i mean the challenge of raising the united states from call bit by to these the highest in the world and it's the highest in the states with the highest rates of obesity and i heard you say recently that consumer is we just dairy directly related to the consumerism is here just a comment 19 is going to is not going to kill it and understand just consumerism is a sick mix of will likely and perhaps mentally. compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human lives is that really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect you know the united states which means a lot spends

a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy and healthcare is and the verge of bankruptcy because it's not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as types 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who our children will have to take carol i think it's a question of intergenerational you know soul and tired and sharon is why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine always children the general generational. as. just visit this group very healthy people who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt and to become members of society so we care to going back to a spark and since you feel a link you're born. with

a 100 percent says that they're not going to be can also go i'm sure there's no question of personal responsibility in stating you over your own good health not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day basis and easily preventable problem you know we can talk about authoritative societies but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth it's only now control if it ensures very where you you know like you change a lot of money both to your industry and also make people understand that this understanding you'll need and dk tional program not a system of fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be why and what diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name we're not going to change that we're not going to have an area you talk the long healthy young people we're going to have a lot of people on that

a healthy not young. they are our competitor it's near also citizens of best players and workers they contribute to society and they demand something's decided from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to lead and we're not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes you have by by as i would say educating them i would very much argue in favor of changing data programs even gardens and schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them. enough well we don't teach them at all meaning i am there and if i shining all there on the body i am the importance also as you say what they told you in their house i think i just think that every child should be taught to cook and every chance will be what what is out it's what and what is not and what is jack for what he should years and what he should avoid we are now and very we have

and were obese so called stay at. regime which is not real obligatory been in the oven and everybody and many people seem to comply with it i wonder how disciplined you are in observing the city hall recombination. i strongly suspect i'm being disciplined is rather crude alleged being able to get severe disability or to be able to comply is rather a privilege than a virtue i can do that i have. to i have some how i have certain resources which do not make my situation materially tragic so i can enjoy having my children with me and they can study a lie and we have enough devices so it's not something that i did by my own by and accept ourselves and i can do all that i can imagine people with different jobs bus drivers to share her errors medical workers cannot able to comply with this restrictions so i'm sad for all that and i will and i'll be able to do this for

a few more weeks if it is necessary to my own house and for the general wellbeing of society like everybody else i do hope it will be over and like everybody else i will be even more thankful when i'll be able to meet my students and there are some of the design conferences all very well but it's not teaching well it is stitching but it's about 25 percent what it should be i do know how to see the day hannah will come back. and i do hope just the day and i'll be able to come to your studio any interest. instead. they're looking forward to it but before we say goodbye so let me ask you one more question because if you know a conversation between the russians is complete without quoting our great quote under pushkin who. once when he himself was under quarantine and invokes your worst down cholera even though he himself turned out to be very productive. own seclusion

unlike what here are i don't think we're going to try to any problems. well that's actually my question of what's your personal recipe a young apathy abby a senior that so many people are complaining about these days and isn't that one of the challenges of self isolation regime that faggot people live regardless of their circumstances they're struggling on the mental and psychological. wistar of our conversation with me. that they are the quality of intellectual work although it's so boring to do all but the quality of until actual work is going down in the absence of a societal compact a so what we know yes will we just suffer end of the product the. asaf are just consequences of what i do is i think what the everyone else is doing i try to get my scan you know place i had my google calander we sure as my life so i try to go

to bed at a reasonable hour work i even started doing some sort of exercises which i never did so i have seriously does all this kind of thank you know what i do i skip it is actually happy responsibility it is they see or have to keep your immune system in a good shape once your cash is the virus once you me and probably at 19 other areas that you i told you i don't care you're enjoying i actually do it out again having my family are with me is a great how our children seem to enjoy the extra day don't have to go to school and they have to experiment with that so they seem rather to like it and if they like something a battle we can't cure. while you get there is always a great pleasure talking to these kinds of isolation is doubly so thank you very much for being with us today thank you and then he'll told watching so they haue beene take care of your sound friends help the syrian dance next weekend.

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