was. going to your computer. and on a welcome to well to part in less than 2 months our notion of a work life balance has been trained and it's had many a lesson the longing for the being screen used a little bit about our jobs and resenting the things we used to free beer about our private lives the historically unprecedented response to the call with 9 to make has definitely mass with our life savvy what will they just will be alive once it's

over to discuss that i'm now joined by kitty in the schuurman a russian political scientist and a popular you tube or if you didn't it's always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out your client asking out it's it is a kind of. life balance. when you get to your study it's a kind of going to write a song think brings that kind of that forces you to your day. and in fact i think you in particular have been talking about in merging all work and private life as a major social or labor trance for quite some time ok you're going to get me there's a go. yeah and i'm sorry to say but it's reached its. unexpected average you with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you have had a chance to adjust it well on the on how do we ave

a privileged people they academicians the way you just so leave this way before it was mainstream on down the had so it's evident that it's not normal and that he shouldn't conceive you shouldn't be like that as surprising mean tony was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing i said that to. rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that it's all out * there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and that's not insider information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting the evil behalf usually bad that used to be so cancelled so it's such a long time once you are deprived

a whole days you'll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates while i hate to break it to you we are social species and it's their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work wearing down drinks not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrict actions on social and mobility how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no god. mountain the world has an interest in keeping its citizens flocked so they have that virus will go by the list your rules and restrictions will remain i think it's a. scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested

in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of russian citizens and the people all around the world this will be cared for really. restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back our services will revive but * some jobs lost will indeed be lost forever to those people who. are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people received their salaries they knew but was the stain your pro period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primary job giver in russia since well

since since a long time ago but just because i'm 14 the number of people directly or indirectly and debts owed to the state for their cell research has grown it will likely grow even more because other. workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well at the mill state is it isn't in good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with no. very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations off a very limited group of people and we're talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who this virus of claims about only that die how considerations would be

prioritized over everything else given where we are right now gee think it was ultimately a good call on the part of a very just to you know to these people on the pedestal and ignore everything else take place and they aren't of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jad she lists all the governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for political science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even bill is just lace them and that. has very large similarities so it's not the question also although horses being more attracted to democracy has been more effective rather rational to rewilding in the same thought this you know everything rather should tell us that it is so diverse governments have the reason for acting like

they act even it's so great an economy and what would be. the cost. well. i heard you say before that the reason why you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come and the cost of many other lives we are talking about you know either patients who ran be able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad we're talking about. domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times we're talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental health because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of gold the andranik and the response to compress how severely is it really such a humanistic response isn't it actually saving some and more safety in the other

we can ask people for long term consequences because we're going to have we don't know what would the situation be even there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. then it all go away and. we don't need to imagine that we can look at. the example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. is slightly higher but it's not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that at least you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does a touch of that medical specialists are even listed in economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example we don't ease not conscious that did nothing about it and it cost little as a country that did not employ legislative restrictions on its citizens until speech

airs all school restaurants in stockholm on was a misleading there was a governmental advice to people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life another country says different from the conference so they do have a kind of course but it's a common day so it's not it's not obsolete i agree with you but it's far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what seemed to my mind is the culture of this so-called phenomenon safe it is and that we see in some us colleges which creates a moral hazard for college administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils education and critical thinking and i wonder

if together with this common $1000.00 pandemic we're also witnessing the outbreak is all departed governments when they think that it's better to be saved and story even though distraction. you made us say it's. all right you're going to say for a while us the last thread on story evolved on the kind of consequences that calm our home but when i was saying and continues to say that this matters. around the world has been the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it can't just say let's let life go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women but now we're going on with the business as usual that isn't possible they need to share that they take a stance and but be it in addition you feel on your even if this is costly.

rationally but then that's the only outsider i fear and i don't the time including on the russians they don't channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate it's a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions do could likely be sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i don't understand i haven't heard anyone are really clearly why do we have to isolate everybody of bringing the economy to hold instead of isolating this is to decrease the population at least have the highest chance of and in that ending up in the emergency care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you i'm a very wrong person to put this question to but * what i say. the circumstances let's watch the consequences that's what we're social site is do let's wait till

the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the healthy economy of a rebound maybe quite speedy and that the well will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that killed elasund. the human cost. than everything came back normal effects of this will serve as a kind of. accelerate search to an economy crisis or in the context of nation debt has already given its weight and that'll be a whole different thing in jesus christ shall we are in that you know kind of and all that and all the best all we do know how of a virus but we also how oddly at economics the nation problem that was there before and we shall be i'm president of oil. crisis which has not begun begin to take real consequences we will see for example a sequestering all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit in what will

see if there are necessary inevitable cutting off sounding of budgets or responding at the party melon society as a whole is expecting their well takes or how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses let's take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have survived that if you want some real article a dick prophecy you should i could name a few names. so here you are people that's what you need was the name so i didn't worry about us. i will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break let's take an moment but we'll be back in just a few seconds breaking.

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back to worlds apart from the keep it in the song in that russian political analyst economic just before the break we were talking about how common 19 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they. are in the end it otherwise would have been and even before obese dynamic beast kind of diseases south. is easy is also

a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public health care sector is in many countries because of their snow balling cost for example just in the united states they're in the shadow of budget goals into medicare and about their debt medicare it is child diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being. which tree how to turn signal is she getting down to a sustainable social norm at a time when society that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are easily preventable we do not know the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but it's data so far we'll be able to fully judge only when it's over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as it's looked at although of course there is a connection between you know where flight and the way are sealed as also in genetics

. inclination or does inclination towards a disease so it's not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd proceed to your original questions baldoni august the 6th type of privacy and this is our this is very interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because it's social and it's political. by a policy or by of politics the way the state or society off the old and needy or off the lords and early them. interferes so on direct your physical. what things are and what. doing. with your body what was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a pair of judge for example with a look to vaccinate their child. before that we've been in all of this general

liberal drop off are my body my decision and if i harm myself a way of making this decision if yes again it's natural it's being used in the future with me society even liberal society made as told after their parents are relations course on the one hand a we. to perceive the family as cast as. privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of other from merely a small aroma base as we do interfere our society and legislative systems interfere but it comes to you face all development well this jail house now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of probably good to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers

forcing states is interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in public places as a customary thing as we have now those safe it's a restrictions on the measured service and now we're what we got years during the last 20 years that reading search error search oh yes we go straight. to airports at any public location maybe we'll see the same kind of range that will measure our got a temperature or maybe you are an arab by the way because this is one of the. major factors risk factors. allo still diseases including comet $98.00 it's a major risk factor it is by weight what you put in your bio id is not going to be on li your decision is or isn't going to be at least inquire the matter of society

because and the end of the day you ask a society to pick up the bill for your damage how in later years well you may recall asked how the number of scandals wraps so it's a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 winning over. actual grams and it was it was a whole host of. question. companies have the right to charge a high price is what it's such a thing with it's discrimination on offer and now it's that that was an innocent debate. and now would be a whole new. looks that the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you. things that you think beneficial for society and people who are waiting more again as sort of

a cigar or do you know if you teach children healthy lifestyle and teach every a school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us a science it helps that you may not be the whatever line between the line between christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers and democracy as any other me know that democracy is on base in those. paralyzed i mean the challenge you raise in the united states from call it like to these the highest in the world and it's the highest in the states with the highest rates of obesity and i heard you see recently that consumer is we just very directly related to the consumerism is here just a comment 19 is going to is not going to kill it and understand just consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally.

compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human life is that to really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect me not of the united states which means a lot spends a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy how carries on the verge of bankruptcy because it's not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as type 3 diabetes because. many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who are children will have to take cheryl i think it's a question of intergenerational you know solidarity and sharon it's why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine always children the general generational. as just this is the sort of very healthy people who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society

which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt to the calm and course of society so we care to going back to a spark and since you feel a link you were born. with a 100 percent says i know what i have what i want to be can also go online she likes notion of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good how to not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day this is an easily preventable problem you know we can't talk about authoritative psyches but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth it's only now control if it ensures very where you you know like you change a lot of money both to unite the state and also make people understand that this understanding who you'll meet and dk tional program not as system of pines and on the police matters that was my point yes the society is going to be well and while

diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name we're not going to change that we're not going to have an area of the long healthy young people we're going to have a lot of people on that a healthy. they are our competitor it's now also citizens that they stay or send workers they contribute to society and they demand some things decided. from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to lead and we're not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes a sides have by by as i would say educating them i would very much argue in favor of changing did occasionally programs even gardens and in schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we don't teach them at all meaning i am there and if i was shining all their old body and the importance also

as you say what you know their house i think i just think that every child should be taught to cook and every chance will be what what is a house it's what and what is not and what is jack for what he should years and what he should have we are now and very we have and we're all based so-called stay at home regime which is not real obligatory but in the end of the day everybody many people seem to comply with it i wonder how disciplined you are in observing the city hall recombination. i strongly suspect of being disciplined is rather true knowledge being able to get severe disability or to be able to comply is rather privilege than a virtue i can do that i have. to i have some how i have certain resources which do not make my situation materially tragic so i can enjoy having my children with me and they can study alive and we have enough devices so it's not something that i did by my or by and except for citizen i can

do all that i can imagine people with different jobs bus drivers to share her. medical work as cannot able to comply with this restrictions so i'm sad for all that and i will and i'll be able to do this for a few more weeks even is necessary to my own house and for the general wellbeing of society like everybody else i do. i hope it will be over and like everybody else i will be even more thankful when i will be able to meet my students and their son because the conference is all very well but it's not teaching well it is teaching but it's about 25 percent of what it should be i do know how to see that they have and will come back. and i don't know just the day and i'd be able to come to do your studio and you know there are some instead. to be looking forward to it but before you say goodbye just let me ask you one more question because if you know

conversation to say the russians is complete without quoting our great poet under pushkin who. won when he himself was under quarantine of the milk's or worse down collar even though he himself turned out to be very productive. own seclusion unlike what here are i don't think we're going to try to any problems well and that's actually my question of what your personal recipe a young apathy am athenia that so many people are complaining about these days and isn't that one of the challenges of this self isolation regime that fagot people live regardless of their circumstances they're struggling on the mental and psychological. wistar of our conversation with me. that there's a quality of intellectual work although it's so varied and if you don't but the quality of intellectual work is going down in the absence of a societal compact a so what is yes will we do a softer end of the product the. asaf or straw from the consequences of what i do

is i think what they want to also is doing i try to cheer my scan you know place i had my google calander we sure as my life so i try to go to bed at a reasonable hour work i even started doing some sort of exercises which i never did so i just seriously this was all this kind of thank you know what i did really ask people. this is actually happy for getting the responsibility it is they see you have to keep your immune system in a good shape winds your cash the virus runs you mean that 90 other series they yelled at you i don't care you're a enjoy it unless they actually do it out again having my family are with me is a great how our children seem to enjoy the extra day don't have to go to school and parents with that whole day they seemed rather to like it as if they are expecting a battle we can't be sure of. well you can tell it's always

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