arguable destruction of british society continues to ravage education culture and the world being of the british people and how we can fix it plus does the child of u.k. civil rights leader office cargo hold the key to a cuban future for our national health service all the some more coming up in today's going underground but 1st european mainstream media has downplayed alleged corruption in the removal of the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement not that it stopped jeremy corbyn in parliament continuing to ask questions about coronavirus that while his new leaders against ahmed threatens call to action against anyone publishing a leaked 850 page anti semitism document suggesting his allies conspired to lose a u.k. general election i want to pay tribute very briefly to all those health workers care workers delivery workers street cleaners cleaners and so many other groups all over the country doing such an incredible job together with all of volunteers to deal with this crisis i think it's an amazing moment in this country's history however parliament's job is to hold the government to account and the question one

of us is quite simply this the world health organization indicated that there was a danger of an epidemic from corona in january they that later declared it to be a condom the director general of the world health organization said in terms of the way of dealing with it is test test test in order to ascertain the levels of infection across our society we didn't do that no we didn't do that here in britain but then jeremy corbyn today arguably represents the polar opposite of his success as a guest star that alone boris johnson in a new book by the b.b.c.'s stuart macone explains the korban tradition the author of the nanny state made me a story of britain and how to save it joins me now via skype stuart welcome to going underground all the talk here is a free internet we need to have a new respect for shop workers for refuse collectors for n.h.s. people your new book begins with a story. about the public sector or the post office tower in london with tony benn

who i should say that is last ever television interview long form t.v. interview for this program just to recount the beginning of this book well and that's good to know the you got a last interview problem a great great now an obviously you we were yeah it's sort of the siege of the book reading the book begins with i was doing a t.v. interview with charlie bannon and we would unit in the top of the what many people still think of as the post office tyrion and london g.p.o. chapter in bloomsbury and them. the p.r. guy for british telecom n o n listen to a kind of chit chat before we began into a came over and said hey guys just just want change you can call it the g.p.u. chair of the time it's the bt tower it's the british telecom terrorism in the g.p.o. quite some times if you could remember to say now and tony benn fixed him with this when they're in gaze said. i commissioned this tower i was involved in

the in the building of this terrible planning stage it was commissioned by the government it was built and designed by engineers not techs of the state and it was paid for by the british taxpayer those people down there and he pointed out the window and said and it was paid for by those people and margaret thatcher's stole it from them and it wasn't hers to take and it isn't yours and it was an in and you know i'll call it when i'm like really and the guy just slid away defeated and i thought and since then come on these and use have been percolating through my head it eventually has become this book well today in 2020 amidst a pandemic we have a successor he would think to margaret thatcher certainly one of his heroines boris johnson and he's never been more popular according to the polls during this pandemic i should say there our view is this book is not negative about this country despite as you suggest there what happened after that or in 97 i tell you

about how much this book is infused with a love of britain. yeah no it's not a it's not a nancy british book at all i prefer to think of myself as billy bragg called it as a progressive patriot when there is a difference between being a patriot and agreeing we want to tap into this country for the last 40 years maybe even half century which i considered to be essentially and fundamentally unpatriotic i think that's a revolution of $79.00 and it was a revolution. 79 was the revolutions in some way they had a massive revolution in iran and we had a massive revolution here in this country that we didn't recognize it as such and i think it was a fundamentally anti patriotic anti british revolution because it said there is no such thing as society in the common bonds of humanity between us are not really as important as profit and he said that individuals often don't paint yogic individuals who do not pay the taxes and who live off shore and who stash their

assets offshore it handed the country and its wealth to them rather than the british people so quite the opposite to be known to british folk in this book connects with a fundamental british patriotism about what made this country great and any one of these images country great was a section of the welfare state in 1945 by the most progressive governments countries ever seen so no i do not get quite the opposite i consider the people who inhabit the boardrooms of this company and the offshore companies i consider those to be the real unpatriotic town ok well some phil says the refuge the last refuge of the scoundrel i've got to tell you the book's title is this phrase the nanny state and that is a that is a term used when it comes to the public sector obviously not being used at the moment during the pandemic where we rely so much on the public sector are dying to save us you think that the nanny state the word itself covers room in the sense

people who had nannies that's that's that's very much i mean it's a joke in a way but it's i think a. the joke with some serious intent i do say the people who complain about in many states are the people who have not eat it is an extraordinary thing that we take this on board i mean we we are seen. in so much what is the function of a state if not to provide for the well being of citizens i mean and for too long we neglected that in time in thought the state should be some kind of other not existing it's all or should be by just facilitating the protection of private property property and them and the smooth transition of money from one bank account to another used to reach people back and i want to reclaim this word that people have never had a nominee in the lives of taken to using and say no let's not what you know the not and stayed the well for us that's a phone call it is kind of love made institutional and we have seen not of that

when the crunch of when we are when we face a really series serious national and international crises the people who we put our faith in the people to look out not. reasons of the borgia they have been the 1st people to bleat and to give up but in fact as we see every day it's the n.h.s. from work as it is delivery drivers it is refuse collectors it is all these people the people who've been clean the plate to these people pretty patel says our own skilled workers well now we see that they are fundamental and i wonder if it's too romantic an optimistic that we'll see some fundamental realignment and rethinking of our society but i do think we will change i do think you're not going to hear with quite a rally pretty patel just machine people who make less than 25 dozen pounds on skilled i do not think you will see quite the same relish in the attacks on state

institutions and i certainly don't think you'll see any day soon conservative politicians applauding themselves in the house of commons for refusing nurses a pay rise. that would not be a very good look at all i think in the coming months and years i want to get on to some of the things you show that we have lost as a country since 979 but the story politicians of course disproportionately were educated at private schools are we in britain call them public schools you know they're private why is it so important because certainly jeremy corbin the outgoing labor leader didn't want to abolish eton why is it as ugly as well as the manifesto said in the way of the election why should we abolish eton. it is the fundamental. schism in british society i think. it is both emblematic of everything is wrong with this country so if you just concede is a purely symbolic act getting rid of those places where people will be useful but i also think you cannot ignore the day to day practical repercussions of that the

fact that. in a country where a black 6 percent of people 6 between 6 and 7 percent of people we think are privately educated they comprise a majority of michael judges the majority of offices in the british army the majority of journalists across the board so even in the liberal papers you've got unions or the journalists are privately educated the b.b.c. when john humphrys left the b.b.c. today programme many people applauded because they thought he was an old right wing kermit you know that's maybe the case but he certainly his leaving left that program less democratic because not every single radio 4 use presenter is privately educated the 1st step any government should say if we want to say it's a you know how to fairer society is absolutely overnight abolished the skills i cannot it seems to me so self-evident and yet to say to people think you some a hugely ridiculously communistic thing to say it seems like we british love play

this play i should declare an interest that i was a i was wrong umphrey's producer at the at the b.b.c. . do you think then that because of all of that we have a saying over the history that you so romantic lee talked about in the book by people like draw. the people out doing the press coverage is about coronavirus because their patriotism is very different to that in this book yeah i don't i don't judge i don't want you to you know demean or join in but if the person insulting i don't doubt that sometimes they think they are doing what they think is the best of the circumstances but preservation at all costs of this system as it stands preservation all costs of an elite of an establishment of of the of of inequality is what they are but i happen having said that i do think it's interesting i think johnson's an instant case in point he's certainly not an ideologue like that you i mean he may well be i mean some people suggest he simply

a game plays in this self aggrandizement and a bit of fun he certainly is not an idealogue the fact she was and i think that's why we've seen already that. really soon x. . enterprise and endeavors and suggestions have been warmly welcomed and seem very conservative because they're not like the conservatism we've been used to for 50 years or so but it's interesting in order to get them public on board he's got to embrace very public spirited principles the kind of principles that underpin the center for the welfare state i do not think the page does mean is my pictures and no i don't think genuinely they really want every british citizen to have everybody's interest they have that of the few and it is their own class and it is their own people that said i do not want i want to jump about my going to be. taught examine my criticism they are faced with unprecedented problems and they are handling them probably as well as they can in some respects maybe economically although we see every day that we the people the scandal we see every day that

seems to be complete lack of forward planning and lack of community thinking as well well. ridges are back of course the chancellor caver goldman sachs and a lot of the people in worth around the cabinet are associated with supporting privatization of the national health service has been a scandal about a previous exercise why do you think they were able to turn a sixpence so easily and suddenly say they love the n.h.s. that they obviously were so much part of a privatizing it before this pandemic struck well i think one of the reasons for that seeming vault fanous as been the one of the engine things about these crises as boris johnson was hospitalized one of these crises is it has been indiscriminate in your attacks i mean it's wrong to beat pain has been felt discriminately as always in these cases the brunt of the pain has been felt by the poorest the most vulnerable that is that's what all the time but this has in terms of its contagion

. affected everyone we have we were all as likely to suffer as anyone else and i think it's been the sheer that ubiquity of it and the fact that middle class people and rich business people will be affected by has made them realise it had to step up to the place i think of the coronavirus it only affected some poor people who they couldn't see you know in the cities because you hadn't grown felder you in that context what exactly i mean i write about it in the in the chapter on housing in a book i write a program for and said that easy as a simple 20 quality you kind of get more point and similarly calls for the rich few miles on earth you had graham fell but i think it's been the fact that you don't like graeme felt this contagion if you like has in fact you as a potential to affect everyone i think has meant that. this government has had to be seen to be doing some good because and i say if it had been another graham or something even less public and graeme i think it could have been swept from the company but this no but this is hitting a lot of people like richard branson in the bank balance and i think so i think

even the conservative party activists and some of their friends might not come to this on scale you know i maybe this. if you find general community spirit soon i'll stop you there more from subic only after this short break. us economy was booming growing numbers of people were made homeless. you can work 40 hours in a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still is the leader of the reality of. financial inequality and the lack of the affordable housing living minimum wage many people no choice. that's been a problem with the city has turned a return call the stay away. from food if there is no answer because he also requires resources the most vulnerable are abandoned on the streets to become the

invisible. welcome back i'm still here with stupak already still that people are watching maybe unlucky enough to see the sight of tens of thousands of cuban doctors pictures of them helping different countries around the world during this pandemic despite the fact that arguably mainstream media in this country has not been showing those pictures boris johnson used to taunt jeremy corbyn about cuba and its ally venezuela what why why did you think you were so important as regards a country like britain because in the book you talk about relations with the relatives of author scargill one of the architects of arguably one of the biggest flashpoints of international near liberalism in british history his connection to cuba and health well yes in the book i was very keen to do this i should say that i

didn't do not know enough of banks to be able to say and i would not want to seem to be a cheerleader but if you can just an overall on one thing nations means. if you believe got things wrong is that health care system and i knew via friend of mine the actress maxine peake. after scandals doll to moderate. with her husband jim x. mine manager had set up a cuban style health practice in bonds and i was intrigued by this and went to go and nothing about the cuban healthcare system except that many people said it was apparent and i was brilliant and they have set up they said this in the middle ninety's tony blair's government came along to try and emulate it because didn't do it properly. because what they have said that the cuban health care system is a system whereby there is a health hold you go in there and you send documents i feel you know i feel a little money use hurting an endo and they need specially set up an edge pump cross the hall and see him also if you transpires that when you don't really want

to happen if you're feeling depressed is when you know you know mentally healthy she's the idea is that it's a one stop shop it's 24 hours and again i'm not a medical i'm not a healthcare professional i'm not a medical sociologist but it do seem to me that. cuban system of health care as we are seen from the fact that many adults coming is something we can very definitely learn from because the cuban system stands in stark contrast to our national health service in a sense which isn't truly universal in fact talk about how the british medical association tried to destroy any open national health service but we were there were other elements of this book why the importance of buses you see this is so crucial i mean libraries british rail the buses i think of the whole the boston area is one that just does is show again emblematic and symptomatic of the wrongheaded thinking of 50 years in this country or 40 is at least. everywhere in

britain in every way i remember him except one place. the buses were privatized back in the days when the conservatives drunk on power looking for what to privatized next i mean. whatever you think about privatisation i think you know there are certain things i say in the book i do not want the state to make my clothes i don't want to state to make my point music i don't want the state to make my career that's fine i'm happy to leave that to small business people not to promote it but i do not want. i do not want the private world private sphere to be controlling my prisons my water supply or my transport and i think everyone going to be some of those conservative privatizations i think maybe some conservatives themselves would agree not that some of them were insane and would run for pure agile logical hubris dick what coming coming flog off next buses no one in britain wants to privatized this it was system that worked perfectly well and what you got immediately afterwards was a cowboy system whereby health and safety went out the window if you go into mansion i'm down to oxford road the most overcrowded. transport corridor probably

anywhere in the world you get now get places that have no job because it doesn't make any profit sense it didn't make any fiscal sense to do you know i just it's emblematic of the insanity of wholesale privatisation and of course what's the one place in britain they didn't do it's london where the buses are still controlled by the council and where they are still cheap what do you what more proof can you need in the name of the people who made the decision the people who made the decision to privatized transposes and said oh no he because we like it the way we know that this way works so you put saps can have the stupid system we're going to foist on you but we'll we'll have it this way thanks well during the pandemic disproportionate numbers obviously a bus arrives in trance whatsoever actually dying on the was a bright light without b.p.a. we're not sure what what is going to happen with that another element maybe of trying to understand the pandemic and the response to it because as i say birth johnson is popular as

a prime minister you have literally you stop short of blaming. ignorance within society on the closure of libraries after the bailout of the banks in 2008 you almost say to keep people ignorant you even mention dolly parton who's been on this show talking about her literacy project what was behind do you think it was actually that conspiratorial the 1st thing to go in this country after the bailout of the big banks with libraries in this country. well 2 things i'm on it if you don't economists program on it to be sharing a virtual space we've got it because i think she's a terrific human being. i don't want to be so conspiratorial to suggest that they would deliberately closing down avenues of knowledge probably not in so many words that doesn't mean that tinfoil hat wearing but i do think there prioritization is interesting. to me the mark of a civilised society is that it would close the library last. if in fact they were

so quickly dispense with is part of that same way of thinking though when david camp david cameron described attacks on the b.b.c. as delicious what we do not any time soon i don't think are any of his. successes but i do think that. it speaks of a certain cast of mind to say well the 1st thing that goes we don't need a books for those traps account for them you know because you can go buy a book can't you know because traditionally libraries the public library system has been such a vital knowledge of network for working class people in this country and i do think if it wasn't it well i don't think my bond villains they 12 the mustaches and struck cats instead and now we will get in the libraries and consign them to ignorance forever but it do you think they need what you were working class people got their knowledge on not for free and i do think they were handy in easy things to close down because i think on a very tribal level libraries like public transport like all kinds of public

utilities are anathema to a certain right wing cast of mind of course one of the great expertise is is a music tell me about how one of britain's greatest exports of music and still percentage points on g.d.p. is state music and how we should reinstitute the dole for a 16 year old well it's it again at some of the points i make in my book a kind of it's a personal polemic it's intended to be pulled nation's intent to be provocative meant 10 units not. white paper sure you know but i do think there is something to be said for the fine that i speak in the book some of my friends musicians my job as a car current richard hawley who spend long periods of time on the dot com superman to benefit honing their craft and as richard says in the book and is generally down in the art he said there was a degree to which the relatively benign unemployment system of yesteryear was a kind of alternative arts culture kind soul you know and these were alternative art schools because these are places where you could i mean certainly don't was not

the right wing press blog is that people live in the lap of luxury on the dock you want but you did have enough money coming in to you know sustain you while you write some songs and get in a band together and as. you know from the disappearance to the stone roses from johnny vision to function and on woods until we had recalibrations gone in recent years were. privately educated people take control of pop music but after for many many this state sets are produced produced these musicians and they often honed their craft on the dole and as richard hawley points out in the book is however much money i took in the dough on the dough i have paid now $10.00 times over in my taxes and so in some ways just physically you make sense as well as creatively the north south divide of course in the music of the accepting the clash or the other jam with that era maybe what about the north south divide where they came to media

you talk about is another regular an opera bill do you talk about granada t.v. you talk about different types of media the used to exist before london because the dictator as it were media wise of the country well the arguably has changed a little since the b.b.c. moved to manchester. well i think that in the mood for me to succeed b.b.c. semi i mean it is no it's not it's not cured everything but i think it has shifted the center of gravity slightly north which is not a bad thing because you mentioned a great granada which was the work of sunny sydney bernstein who was a capitalist but he was as i say in the book the book is not an anti capitalist or a by any stretch the imagination but he it's against a certain way of thinking and a certain way of thinking show by governments of left and right that it helps to have 40 years and i do think things have changed simon for the better but you still don't get many people with my accent on the radio 4 news you still don't get it you don't get it and that's why i think that class cuts through all the other differences in british society that we've got a lot of in recent years and what we do take great strides i think to increase our

diversity representation in all manner in all manner of spheres about sexuality about ethnicity by gender class is the great unspoken to be less think cuts through and i think to simply have. different privately educated presenters of different ethnicities is really progress but i think things are getting better but in some ways things are very much the same as they have just got to us finally about income loads of people in this country and in european countries suffering greatly financially from the coronavirus pandemic over here we have 640000000000 pounds were given in court today raising to the city of london and then really complicated benefits and strange 80 percent furloughs where their family business is i don't know they could even be a bit of fraud who knows it all of this you in the book however say things could be much more easy is here in this country with some kind of baseline income to stop

people starving to death and i should say there is a cause there are well nourished people in this country i thought just last week i mean i thought just in the end maybe 2 weeks ago when the when the sudden shock of what was happening to us i think finally came home and began to get new government briefings in. i thought oh we trembling on the verge of the idea of universal basic income i still think it's somewhere in the back of our thinking because clearly this is an idea whose time has come up as. they well i mean you could argue that we are having a kind of universal basic right know a maybe maybe we'll think rethink about it afterwards but it would seem to be an idea again that is not particularly politically not to keep party savvy just to be commonsensical. but again some people on the right think that the very idea of giving people money for nothing is a seat it will somehow sap our moral fiber etc to all that garbage that they always talk but. no it would seem to me to be very eminently sense but i doubt he's times

come and these been tried all over the world nixon richard nixon thought about implementing it no communist richard nixon of course he thought of a committee and it seems to me to be eminently common sense to start saying now has a certain amount of money that you can have that will to a certain extent have all the benefits folded into it and it gives people the right to talk about freedom of choice the right to talk about individual liberty as if the sacrosanct thing well. what could be more individual here's your money do with it what you will and when it's gone it's gone you can do what you want with it right now but it is a safety net to stop people starving will encourage entrepreneurial isn't that's something you're interested in i think it's eminently sent i have yet to see any properly sensible critique of it so i think it's an idea whose time is coming soon we're going to thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday the out of us 3 of the us switching sides to support margaret thatcher you know war for

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back. to my. welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is r.t. u.k. . we are on track to the. $100000.00 target broadly where we expected to be. the health secretary insists the government will meet his target of 100000 tests by thursday this is but 1st the standing it just off the prediction. i ask you to contain your repeat sheets calls i believe we have. to be. the 1st phase of this conflict that is the boris johnson wants against easing lockdown restrictions and pleads for the public to be patient as he turns to westminster

following his own battle with us here from the oval. the minister for the cabinet office michael gove claims he hopes the coronavirus crisis will focus the minds of b. to go she has secured a trade deal with the u.k. by the end of the year i'll be talking to a expert on that a little later. and an increase in states of a this is a place worth paying to get over the pandemic says the tony blair institute for global change the previous campaign to say the public must trust the technology we have from both sides of the debate. the health secretary says his promise of 100000 daily tests for coronavirus by the end of the month will be met even though under $40000.00 were carried out just yesterday as prime minister boris johnson returns after his own personal battle

with coronavirus saying it's too early to risk lifting the lockdown and calling on the public to be patient because he's and he joins me now for the latest so we saw the health secretary's on that quite a bit of pressure at the moment. absolutely the government had come in for some criticism throughout this entire crisis on a number of issues including at p.p. or perceived lack of p.t. for from my start but also on testing in fact that far anyway the government hasn't met even their own testing target standards but as far as mr hancock is concerned the government are on track to meet that target of $100000.00 tests a day we are on track to the. to the 100000 target we're broadly where we expected to be you've seen a big increase over the we can 237000 tests yesterday and now we are also in hansing and make it easier to access how you get ahold of tests

the home tests have been particularly popular we delivered 5681 of those yesterday. the government had set themselves a target of 100000 tests a day by the end of a troll environment section george uses released the latest figures for testing and just under 40000 people were tested on a yesterday that is now that takes themselves to just over $700000.00 in total who have been tested so that's context however that's roughly the amount that germany test in a single week the government's own research suggests that they have the capacity to test $53000.00 people a day so around $30000.00 over $30000.00 rockets or $7000.00 being tested in the most recent period 24 hour period $50000.00 is gassy that's still some way short of

that 100000 a day target elsewhere that the government announced a new scheme that might support the families of those frontline n.h.s. kids and social castoff who have died fighting carving one t.v. saying that they will receive family studies $60000.00 pounds each as a token that helps the government says appreciation for what those tommies have sacrificed and he says that promise is back at work but still no information on lifting the. doris jones give it is just beach outside downing street following his recovery truck coated knight said it was quite serious as well he was of course in intensive care for a while but in his press conference he stressed the importance of and not lifting that lockdown too quickly as saying that the cars he was not getting any kind of way for the n.h.s. to be overwhelmed during this period he did say that he recognized the difficulty

of that code business says in the economy that started to british people in the may for keeping to that look down and he did draw on his own personal experience to compare that coated 90 to that of a mugger. these virus where a physical assailant an unexpected and invisible maga which i can tell you propose we experience it it's. then this is the moment when we have begun together to wrestle it to the floor. and take photos that this is the moment of opportunity this is the moment when we can press home our advantage. it is also the moment of maximum race because i know there will be many people looking at our current success and beginning to wonder whether now is the time to go easy on those social distancing measures. his government suggests that those

measures could be eased slightly if it's deemed to be allowable or seem to be safe to do so that includes so-called non-essential businesses being allowed to open similar to shops like supermarkets where people have to chalk outside and cheap way to meet a social distance now all of this comes as we receive the latest figures are something that not hancock updated the country about in the most recent 24 hour period 360 people in hospital sadly having lost their lives in the u.k. after testing positive for coated lights a doubt our strong sense was speaking again as you mentioned today 1st time back at work but he also called for the public to hang in that keep following those lockdown measures even if for a little bit longer i refuse to throw away all the effort and the

sacrifice of the british people and to risk a 2nd major outbreak and huge loss of life. and the overwhelming of any chance and i ask you to contain your impatience because i believe we are coming now to the end of the 1st phase of this conflict. and in spite of all the suffering we have soon nearly succeeded not today may seem somewhat of a rout breaking out in westminster with the government special advisor dominic cummings and having been a filter taken part in seiji scientific advisory group for emergencies and that rao senses around what role the comings played and got me to say did he just observe as the government maintain in order to get information to relay back to the prime minister or did he give his input which is deemed to be not appropriate which is what critics say he did trying to put his old in the government's own position

forward in those meetings so that route breaking out with very different gives as to what mr cummings role should be during those type of meetings he said thanks very much for all of that while a journalist peter oborne thinks that when it comes to judging the government's response to the crisis it's still early days. i think over time you'll be able to assess which governments of reacted in the wisest way but were still in the midst of this awful coup crisis which has crossed so many lives and so it's very early days i think to reach those judgment and those accusations boris johnson to his after war he didn't attend every cobra meeting but there again as always easy briefed away is that it was a fair accusation that you really wasn't playing the right part of that stage. in

my view not to attend it wasn't just a question you're attending every coble reading i think he didn't attend the 1st 5 and i think that's one question where in a when the whole thing. went when the whole thing is judged and i think it will have to be not to attend the 1st 5 emergency meetings but the impending arrival of the noxious virus doesn't look frightfully good. from the point of view we'll have and particularly in a quite a while after that he was sort of stuck in chief thing i think in a country the country residence so there will be questions. and but i think at the moment the general idea is that we call done and get the best way out of this and that is as the prime minister was saying i mean the big question is when when and haro do we come out of lockdown and of course the governor has done

a huge amount has an extra hospitals employed it for doctors and force the lock down measures to help the n.h.s. fight the virus if it's done all it care and the figurehead boris johnson of course is being ill he hasn't been able to to leave the initiative against it but will there be questions over the way he initially tried to handle this crisis to begin with he said there will be questions will he himself be targeted with some fairly personal questions. as i suggested i think it is not. that him not at all impressive that he didn't appear to take it seriously to start with i.e. missing the 1st 5 cobras and i think there's also this great question of the change in in strategy you know that the 1st strategy appeared to be to let the virus run its course almost and then suddenly they woke up and there will be international comparisons made you know where other countries better or worse you

know i mean it's at the moment britain is by no means the the worst european country in terms of the mortality but head. the minister for the cabinet office michael gove has claimed the e.u. needs to respect the british people's decision to leave the european union but that the current virus crisis will help get a trade deal within the town available it made the comments during a virtual session of the parliamentary committee on the future of the relations between look at it the recent things that the e.u. are asking for but to our mind do it properly respect the nature of the decision that the u.k. has made as you know with a promise to school to mandate a general election for a particular approach the british public gave him that mandate and it's clear that at the e.u. are still trying in some respects to ask for example that we adhere to conditions

on a level playing field which other independent countries do not need to adhere to in order to have free trade agreements the private crisis in some respects should concentrate the minds of the e.u. negotiator who will sing the vital importance of coming to the. it comes after downing street his head out of the block claiming that political movement needs to come from brussels in order for negotiations to move forward last week that he used chief negotiator blamed the u.k. for stalling britain is currently show jule to leave the transition period at the end of this year and those are already signaled that it won't agree to an extension from all of this some not joined by senior partner it breaks it partners professor john ron john good to see you go talk about trade a virus focusing minds are incredibly crass and opportunistic is not. especially with this government's record on the coronavirus has been pretty poor and that's putting it mildly. i don't really see that was an appropriate comment by

mark but then he has a habit of doing that right so what should we be doing an extension obviously given the pandemic the government should have as much energy as possible focusing on controlling the crisis and not worrying about this trade in a moment well there's not going to be a trade you i don't see i'm going to be consistent here from. over the last year i've never through this particular group of people were very interested especially after the election in december they've not been really interested in doing it do so they've gone through the motions they have no intention and i've said this quite clearly i don't know what's happening out there but they're not going to go for an extension so they will finish on the 31st of december 1st generally we will not have a deal and that's that basically have hurt and what impact does that have on an already struggling british economy you're saying no dale many economists many business

people say that would be disaster economically. that's a bad outcome isn't it joe it's a bad outcome but you know when we go it was talking about the. brics issue and the bad outcome and you know you grow how dissuade affect the european union as well in the in so moch in countries like germany. that sort of going into the background to certain extent what's happening with cove 819 because that shut down the coble economy straight away and you know the amount of damage that it's done to people. health and wellbeing and you know to trade and everything else it's been so significant that you know i suppose they can actually high quite a lot of the consequences of why. what happened with the no deer breaks it. you know behind all the damage that's been done by this kind of it 19 and it's going to

be very difficult one thing we have to bury mine which i would say is very very important that you know we've had problems with supplies going to supermarkets at the biggie end of the process this is sort of even down to some extent in but remember we still kind of nominally have a trading relationship up until death the end of the year because wearing a transition phase next year this will become much more complicated to get the goods through into the store so we're going through a kind of. emotion play book of what will happen in terms of getting goods here and just in time so medicines food since that people want in their shops won't be available there will be lots of gems of e-books of customers and less somebody changes their mind right that unless somebody can the money just briefly then john wall efforts we see from the e.u. to try to avoid that no deal outcome that you're predicting because the e.u. doesn't want that to happen they don't want that to happen but you know michael god

talks about britain but this 27 countries on the other side and at the moment their eyes are on dealing with the code of it and actually getting their economies back up and running and i don't see at the moment any chance that there will be compromise in the near future i think they review this progress on a friday and as it stands at the moment there's not a progress america in 2 words and maybe 2 months law before we get to the end of june when they could extend and i don't see them extended and i don't see a deal happening that actually if as a general and thank you good to talk to you and it would seem to you by. have a look now at the latest figures from the high. nations' the official government figures say that over 7 i should say about 157000 people have not tested positive for the virus and more than 21000 have died and that's

a rise of 360 in the past 24 hours britain will observe a minute silence at 11 am on tuesday to on a key workers killed by coronavirus scottish 1st minister nicola sturgeon says the government is prepared to issued guidance on wearing face masks in public and the public health agency launches a contact tracing pilot program in northern ireland in a bid to prevent a 2nd wave. and here's how the pandemic is affecting the rest of the world according to johns hopkins university which collects worldwide data over 3000000 cases have now been confirmed over 208000 deaths recorded and as you can see there nearly 880000 have recovered. and still to come this leading british think tank says the recent states avoidance is a price worth paying to get over the pandemic is it different both sides of the delays. and billions of renters are forced to choose between healthy and food bills

as the lockdown threatens incomes of the. overproduction blue storage has witnessed some prices go into negative territory this is not just because of the pandemic this is the result of just. the energy market may never recover. as the u.s. economy was booming growing numbers of people were made homeless. you can work 40 hours a week and still not have enough to get housing everybody believes america still is

the land of opportunity the reality of we're not financially equality and the lack of affordable housing for a living minimum wage give many people no choice. that's been a problem with the city and always turn a return call the stay way almost. because the requires resources the most vulnerable are abandoned on the streets to become the invisible comes. to. an increase in state surveillance as a price worth paying in britain has to come through the coronavirus crisis according to leading think tank the tony blair institute for global change set up by the former british prime minister argues that it's the least worst option

available the price of this escape route is an unprecedented increase in digital surveillance in normal times the degree of monitoring and state intervention we are talking about here would be out of the question in liberal democracies but these are not normal times and alternatives are even more unpalatable. institution says that official context tracing up should be released but should not be compulsory points to a digital credential such as in the new unity certificate in order to help lift the lockdown and allow people to return to work but also says that privacy focus options are transparent approach should be adopted as well as real time cross referencing data from health care systems and private companies and there should be sharing of patient data anonymous and the search for treatments and vaccines the national health service is already testing a new contact tracing up that could help to keep the virus under control the app is designed to let people know if they have been in close contact with someone who has

the virus france germany and other countries announce that there would store data on a central server and privacy activists say the public must be able to trust their data is secure and essential there are many roads for the u.k. government to choose in lifting the lockdown and determining technology's role within a collaborative previous see preserving model would be best for preserving the trust and competence of the british public. but should the government increase digital surveillance to ease the lock down or not it is joined by lawyer political and women's rights activist dr schoen on more struggle and a barrister and former n.h.s. senior nurse rebecca butler. the you has fairly straight and data protection regulations in place and as long as this is purpose only for one thing which is tracing in isolating the cases then i don't see a problem with it being done the contact tracing has been absolutely not dealt with

by the government because it delayed and undoing that and the fact that when you think about how we're going to engage our people or doing the lock down isolating sharing the necessary information all of that is important but with the absence of mass testing i look at the thing that we shouldn't pay a price for it everybody is paying a price for it and those who are paying that i am price are those on the front line so we have to bear in mind that there is also 0 trust in this government you talk about capacity being a 1000 right now where the government is actually not able meet in the stock market as all writers have a rebecca she has is not a track that's here for rebecca now give her a chance to get as a couple of things as she wants respond to them let's hear from rebecca this is dealt with so politics i'm sorry this is a disgrace i love this it's not ice is not a political adult you know no longish one at a time please let's just just one of the town is here rebecca. no political party

in government would have been able to achieve the volume of free agents and physical testing kits required nobody would have been able to do that this is not a political matter in fact many commentators many epidemiologists believe the government went too early on not a town not too late so accusations of dithering but but that it's not ok fair enough that rebecca can we get back to the side of privacy there is a risk that 3rd party involvement could compromise a state of security this is very private information that people are obviously giving so you can understand what previously is an issue here and of course this is a toll that could be used in the future when this epidemic is all over yes and that is something i've commented on before is you you want to look for an end date for intrusion into your private life so i do understand the privacy argument but

even you know tony blair has issued a paper on his foundation and he has said that this is a necessary sacrifice for coming out of lockdown it's absolutely that is absolutely correct the 2nd the 2nd wave of this academic is going to happen and to prevent the economic disaster of this 1st lockdown we've got to have compromises in our personnel and what is the use of technology it will be good nobody is denying that there will be a 2nd wave what we're talking about here whether it comes to privacy is how that information is all of that i part of question is asked what i'm also saying is mass testing is actually little more important we do not know what you have all the information from the out how are you going to provide testing to prove that this person has put in one thing do you have the backup of n.h.s. so you needed to provide that person a hospital tick that's because right now that people are suffering from got it one

thing. they call 7 that number not human being and. millions of renters are facing a financial crisis as the pandemic forces many to fall behind on rent payments latino interest takes a look at those forced to choose between buying food and paying for a roof over their heads as the u.k. continues its lock down the financial implications are affecting millions one in 6 had before some extra financial help to stay afloat with some even made to choose between buying food and rent. well i'm a single i'm at the moment and there's no gigs there's no wetsuit so everything's closed and then no work i. wait. for the money up i. think. there are 4500000 households live in private rented accommodation of which 60

percent have suffered financially because of the coronavirus lock down although landlords are blocks from a victim to have its for 3 months millions are concerned that after the 12 week hiatus there will be a huge surge in evictions when the current restrictions are lifted while some tenants have negotiated rent holidays max levy of essex has chosen to pay his with a small amount of savings but he is now left with little money for anything else and has resorted to finding food from his own garden and local words. so our exercise walks will go through local a ways to go down to the local park the local words people working overtime and just eyes open i know you area quite well so i know where different transcriber going basis a she's a leak which are really delicious down there i am his whole grade and i was a part of it in the garden at the back of our gardens a little bit i'm kept stinging nettles there harvest them 2 or 3 times

a week magnetic syrup so yeah it's a you can do a lot just with the wages around here of course it shouldn't have to come to that there is help out that if you know where to turn even before this crisis we were hearing from people who were having to make those decisions people had instant payday loans just to feed decades so we were to knew that the safety net the social security net that people depended on just didn't exist so it's a get help there is support out there get in touch with step change for example a step change of all there is help out there we can not put them in the right direction any benefits you might be entitled to you might be touched universal credit might be times of hardship sons so don't suffer in silence you speak up now get the support that you might meet. but getting help isn't always easy and takes time over 1000000 have applied for universal credit but with 1st payments weeks away many simply don't have the cash to pay for groceries right now with debts one

option and loans the other for many who are struggling the end of this lockdown cannot come fast enough martin andrews r t u k london. and that's it from us all to america will take over the news of the top of the from the team in westminster about. to was. when i almost choked seemed wrong all right old quote just don't call. me

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