for twosomes of the for the for is no answer because yes requires resources the most vulnerable are abandoned on the streets to become the invisible comes. from my members. am coronavirus cases in the united states near the 1000000 mark but some states say it's time to reopen for business is that too soon former congressman bob barr weighs in on this edition of. welcome to politicking hi i'm larry king confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states is approaching the 1000000 mark yet some states like georgia have begun to ease stay at home restrictions for sessile on this i'm joined by old friend bob

barr the former republican congressman from georgia who also served as a former u.s. attorney is in atlanta your state has more than 23000 confirmed cases 19 and more than 9 and 900 deaths should you have reopened. absolutely larry you know i think a lot of these governments including sometimes the federal government don't give people the credit that they deserve most people in this country are rational both rational and are responsible here in georgia for example there are thousands upon thousands of small businesses that either have already had to close their doors permanent late or have really come to the point where if they can't reopen they cannot reopen so the restrictions that we had in

place in georgia that governor brian cam loosened last week are measured they're very carefully crafted and i think they are they are very very appropriate as a matter of fact 2 hours ago i got a haircut in my local hair salon that i go to an adoring own you in doing that risking your own health and the barber in a winning risking his health i don't think any more than doing anything else in our society larry i wore a face mask the hairstylist wore a face mask they practiced social distancing they were not either anybody else within 6 feet actually more than 6 feet so the restrictions that are required of businesses that do open i think are more than sufficient to reasonably protect both the public and the business owners themselves who supplies the president trump

disagreeing with the yoga of. it's hard to be surprised that anything the president trump says or does because he changes his mind so often i do think overall he's done a very good job on the regulatory front of dealing with this this medical problem but apparently he. sort of gave the green light so to speak for states to do what georgia did and then yet when georgia's governor decided to do what the president seemed to be urging the states to do he got beat up by the president so you know that's unfortunate but. something that seems to happen where some regularity nowadays was the future of schools in u.s. states schools across the state of georgia larry are basically closed for the

year we don't yet know whether they will reopen on a on a strict semester basis or earlier or later in the summer or early fall but for the current academic year public schools am private schools in georgia are finished for the year prison term by monday openly questioning allied poorly run states which he claims are all democrat run a sinking aid from the federal government's money do you do you agree with that. well i do think that best states need to assume a lot more responsibility for of the issues that now face them than they then a lot of them have been you know it's a lot of these issues larry i think are supposed to be an traditionally have been handled by the states with support from the federal government nowadays if same's

to be that the that default position up by the states is to turn to the federal government for everything criticize it if you don't get enough and only then and only then should the states be involved so i agree with the president the states need to assume more responsibility here than many of them have but new york puts more into the federal government than most a lot of states combined. well they had other here in georgia for example i recall when i was in the house of representatives a number of years ago i would hear from officials in georgia that georgia was contributing more to the transportation road tax then we were getting back. you know we live in a in a federal system and if every state were to get back exactly the same amount that its citizens pay in federal taxes of various sorts then why have those taxes in the

1st place you know it is in new york they probably get more in some areas in other states and perhaps less in some other areas but i think overall 'd it pretty much evens out larry concluded the election of the georgia stacy abrams a widely touted as a possible wise cause of who picked for joe biden to have a hell of a race for governor already a mega her. well she she was in the state legislature here for a few years and by all accounts did a good job she's a lot more liberal certainly than my a political persuasions but since since running out 2 years ago for governor and losing to brian kemp she really has done nothing no substance other than complain about not having won the election in 2016 and raising a lot of money for it not having won the election but claiming that she really

should have won so i don't really think that she's done anything recently that would. certainly lead me and a lot of people to believe that she has done anything and qualify her to serve as vice president who think there's a chance we can be without an election. no i don't i have heard as you have various people suggesting that the election the federal election might be postponed or whatnot congress would have to do that and the problem is larry as you know as well as i do that the terms of the president and the vice president and all members of the house of representatives as well as of 2 thirds of the senate expire in january that's constitutional so there has to be an election otherwise we're going to be without a president or a vice president come january 20th at noon and come early january would be without

anybody in the house of representatives and only 2 thirds of the senators in office bob as always great talking with the i thank you so much my pleasure mary. he describes himself as a former lifelong lefty who now contends the left has really come regressive not progresses is de ruben creator and host of the room report on you tube author of the new book and here you see it don't burn this book thinking for yourself in an age of unreason what brought about this book and the title david. yeah well 1st off larry it's great to see. i'm sad that we can't do this in person for now but hopefully hopefully soon enough we'll be able to grab lunch but you know a bit about my political evolution i mean i always considered myself sort of an old

school liberal which i think is pretty much in line with what you are what a lot of sort of j.f.k. liberals i know you're a you're a brooklyn guy sort of a ed kotch the former mayor of new york city liberal daniel patrick moynihan liberal liberal meaning open minded you know find the right spots for government but not the government is supposed to do everything all the time and unfortunately in the last 5 years we've seen a movement by the progressives this is sort of the bernie sanders. contingent to really only come up with answers that have to do with more government involvement and for me i believe that the best way for people to live free especially in a country like the united states where you know we've got about 350000000 people from every corner in the in every corner of the world the best way for people to live free is is very limited government i want people to live how they want my

neighbor's entitled to do whatever he wants he can't do it on my property if i don't want him to but that's about it and in the book i talk about how liberals have sort of become sort of hysterical when it comes to free speech and the platforming people and i want i want liberals to return to the roots of liberalism . but you don't go as far as say the far right which is wacko right now. i assure you my friend i am not far right thank you for asking no do so and ironically you know there is yeah you know there's really actually a connection between the far left in the far right because the far left in the far right they both are identity tarion groups on the far right we think of the k.k.k. and white supremacist and something like that and on the far left they're collectivists meaning they like to judge you based on the color of your skin nor your immutable characteristics or your sexuality meaning if you're gay you should think a certain thing or if you're black you should think a certain thing so those fringes actually 'd are are just that their fringes but

unfortunately they're pretty loud and i think within a within an american context right now the far left fringe has sort of really taken over the media establishment but i assure you i am not far right in any way i do find actually i do find actually that right now conservatives and i'm talking of just general conservatives do seem to be a little more open minded then than the lefties right now which is a flip on things because it wasn't always that way what changed you. you know there were a few moments that changed me and i go through a few of them in the book but i'll tell you one very specifically i was on the young turks network and i know you've done some stuff with them we did my show there a long time ago and they were playing a clip of fox news and there's a guy by the name of david webb who you may know he's a conservative commenter fox news and and he happens to be black so he's

a black conservative and i just say he happens to be black because that's just part of who he is we were watching a clip of him and my co-hosts were all saying what a sellout he is what an uncle tom he is all of the worst things you could say about somebody just because he was a conservative that was black and suddenly it hit me because they didn't know that prior to working at the young turks i had a show on sirius x.m. radio and i became good friends with david webb and i was a lefty and he was on the right and we used to do shows together and then we'd go out to dinner and have a couple whiskeys and then we would just let it go so i knew that this was a man who believed what he was saying but what i saw coming from the left was here was a black man who didn't believe what they felt a black man should believe and they felt that then gave them the right to call him all the worst things in the world and that's what i mean when i say that the far left or the progressives now have become collectivist they want they want black

people to think a very specific set of things but that's not the type of things that say larry elder or thomas soul or others would think and they do this with a lot of identity groups and you know it's counter to being human in many ways larry because you don't represent all people born in brooklyn or all white people are all talk show hosts you represent larry king and i think that that's how most people want to want to think about themselves the book is don't burn this book the guest is dave reuben thinking for yourself in an age of on reason we'll be right back. far.

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welcome back to politicking i'm talking with dave ruben creator and host of the rubin report and author of the new book don't burn this book thinking fear shelves in an age of unreason he joins us from california. how are you handling it coronavirus and is there's no left right issue here or is there well i would say there is a secondary left right issue here but the 1st part that we're all trapped in our houses i said here right before we went on air i was a little ahead of the game because as you know i'm in my house right now and my garage you've been here my garage is my studio so as i watch you know c.n.n. anchors suddenly broadcasting out of their kitchens i'm feeling pretty good about things look i think that the secondary part the left right issue related to corona is coming in the next week or 2 because as it seems that this wasn't as bad as the predictions and that not as many people got sick this is all great and perhaps it's because of social distancing perhaps it's because we've done some of the right

things so that's really wonderful it doesn't mean that the virus wasn't scary it doesn't mean that it's still not affecting especially older people but now we have to get to the point where we decide to reopen the country and you know you and i are here in california where we have a progressive mayor in l.a. in a progressive governor in sacramento. and i would say california and new york have very different problems then say wyoming or texas i just heard a few minutes before we went on air that texas is now going to reopen on april 30th that's great and that really it has a lot to do with what i write about in the book because we forget that we're supposed to be governed by 6 rights the governors should figure out what's best for their people because texas and montana and say colorado have different problems than say you know states that are in new york metropolitan area where they have a density of population the other side is if you open texas up and you open the

wyoming up you're inviting more disease in i mean that's obvious if ever so and i think that that would be in texas gathers tomorrow and goes to the parks and goes out and play some ball in the stadiums you're going to have more cold virus in texas why come down on that side when you've got a health problem that's pandemic. yeah so it's a great question and i think what the uncomfortable part of what we really have to figure out here is that there is going to be a certain cost that comes with reopening the country but we can't not reopen the country you know we've all basically been in our houses from most 2 months now it's almost hard to remember what the world used to be like before 2 months ago and i think my hope would be that when when abbott now opens texas on april 30th that he will tell people you know try to be responsible wear masks when you can or socially distance when you can and maybe they're going to limit the amount of people that

can be in restaurants and things like that but the alternative is just waiting forever and you know we have now have over 20000000 people that are unemployed the economy is tanking i'm also worried about the the secondary effects of what it. keep people sort of trapped in their home at all times so we have to balance it you're not wrong in what you're saying that is it possible if texas opens up and now people are together again and that more people are going to get sick you might be right but we have to decide what level of sickness are we willing to live with so to speak to move ahead and open the country because i don't know how much longer we can do this. and that sounds ridiculous what level of risk can we live with come on you've got to go there only have to figure out what it was or. what whose risk yours or mine is so gave you die right. no no well look here's what

here's what we'd have to do it would be on everybody to figure out what their tolerable risk is so if you were in a high risk group then you would want to do more to actually still not have these people out but can we just the thing is that there's no 0 risk here right i mean look if we could say to everybody we're not going to open the country until we have a nationwide vaccine for this thing which could not come perhaps refer to years i mean we can't stay in our houses for 2 years so i just want to be clear i'm not for just reopening everything tomorrow and pretending that everything's great but i think unfortunately we have to give the governors the maximum amount of flexibility to do it and you hope that you've voted in some of the right people now maybe we haven't voted in the right people but that's that's also on us. as a liberal form a liberal say on the edges a kennedy liberal you would humphrey liberal or you. what

do i think of donald trump when we we've discussed this a couple of times i would say that the policies of donald trump i don't think are somehow far writers zina phobic or something like that most most of the things that donald trump has actually done are pretty much things that ronald reagan did in many cases what when he says things about immigration. you know he's saying the same things that bill clinton said and even barack obama he says them in a slightly more butchered or strange way and the intonation and inflection of the way speaks i think look trumps trump's greatest gift is that he's decided that he won't you know sit back and let the media run all over him and i think our media unfortunately and this is a little bit of the rise of the online commentator instead of just the cable new set of people i think that did need to happen. you know i've met him i know you've

met him many times and you know been out in the many that you know day i met him with my husband back in december at mar a lago and he was thrilled that we were there and he had no problem with gay people that doesn't mean he's perfect i certainly don't think he's perfect but in a weird way i almost think he is he was sort of the reckoning that our political establishment needed all that being said look if you could reincarnate thomas jefferson if we could bring back j.f.k. if we could be bring back people that i think were true statesmen and that really understood separation of powers and that really understood why this country is so great i think that would probably be better but you know here we are. in your book you describe the mainstream media as deeply corrupt how could. that. you think. you think the head of columbia broadcasting system is deeply corrupt. what i think is that we've watched

a media that largely is in bed with the democrats decide what stories they cover and what stories they don't cover so even right now as we're taping this there's an interesting story developing that has actually has something to do with you so we know about these allegations from tara reader who is a former joe biden staffer from you know 25 plus years ago and there's a clip on c.n.n. from larry king tonight where her it what turns out to be her mother called in over 25 years ago called into your show asking what she should do because her book her daughter was sexually assaulted by a by a senator she doesn't say who but now to our readers confirm that that was in fact her mother well that clip is now on fire on you tube on twitter i mean there are millions of people watching this but the mainstream media is ignoring it now i'm not saying it's true what her allegations are but what one of the things that's

happening right now is that the online media twitter you tube facebook there is a way for people to communicate about what's actually happening and right now c.n.n. is just completely ignoring that story and as a matter of fact it turns out that that episode of your show is one of like 3 episodes that somehow is missing from the google play store i'm not even calling this all a conspiracy but there's a there's an odd thing where if if something here the best example i can give you is this when when brett kavanaugh was being you know when his nomination process was happening for the supreme court the there were allegations that he had sexually assaulted at least one woman but probably more the media ran with it for weeks the cover of every single story i was in tour on tour in europe at the time and people were asking me on the streets what i thought about it well right now we have allegations against joe biden again i'm not saying they're true or false but the media has gone out of their way to hide it so what i would say in essence is. if

you're on the right the media loves to run with stories against you and if you're on the left they love to ignore them and i think ignoring things is is a type of fake news i actually lay out for types of fake news in this book and i think ignoring stories because of a political bias is actually a type of fake news but to directly at your question i don't think everyone in mainstream media is corrupt and evil of course not but i think by and large there is there are too many journalists that i'm using air quotes who are really activists and you know they use anonymous sources and who are often just their friend or their dog and we need we need old school journalist i want your know where is walter cronkite i mean i want real journalists and the i knew you could see the fox news journalism. do i consider fox news journalism fox news is the outlier i would say on. the entire thing so if everything sort of leans left

meaning and this n.b.c. leans left c.n.n. leans left most of the network cable news leans left a network may network news leans left i would say fox is the outlier so i don't think they're necessarily any more truthful in the other way but they're just saying we lean right there just the one outlier on the other side ok but i mean i go on fox news all the time you know and they let me say whatever i want i'm on live and i often disagree with the hosts and it's not a problem in the limited time we have left how do you see the election going. this is going to be a weird one i mean i think right now there's a there's a huge problem related to biden which is very unfortunate you know there's or i think there are serious questions about his cognitive abilities and that's a problem i mean there's no doubt that that's a problem i think that this this new sexual assault allegation is also a problem i also think that you know when you compound coronavirus and that the states all won't exactly be open at the exact same time and what happens if we get

a sort of 2nd rebound in november and how are we going to actually go ahead and do the election and what their what's the democratic convention going to be like but my my general feeling is if it's biden as the nominee you know if you're a democrat you have to understand you're probably not voting for joe biden you're probably voting for the v.p. in effect i don't think he will be a 4 year president i mean i just don't see that happening so i think everything's up in the air i sense that short of an absolute economic collapse which actually could happen i hope it doesn't i sense trump probably get real i think it was soon out as you are out of your sanctuary and i'm out of mine whenever they allow or so out we will meet on a street corner somewhere and go have lunch. sounds like a friend it's good to see as always larry we thank dave ruben 1st time today and

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