in a native speaker bass selling author great having back on our show welcome thank you barry actually it was a different show it was called so he can now do so he can visionaries and he has a true visionary when i hear your views and pronounces whatever's going on who we're going to start with slade in your country is unlike other countries soon clear i'm tired everyone please sir when times in a lockdown suppose stranger social distancing measures events we even chose every mild strategy schools open restaurants bars barbershops can bring in serious health authorities stand by the response and they claim this measures are effective so that's 2 why aren't other countries rushing to actually applies for his approach well i think the reason is simple there are very few swedish people in france or in italy or interrogate you can only follow this principle that's weakness you sing in a country where you have

a lot of swedish people why i'm saying this is because this is a place a country. that you would call a high trust society and you know high trust society you trust your thora case you trust the police you trust everybody your neighbor and this means that you don't need mary brutish type of techniques to make people follow here you need recommendations and people will go with you. this is a country that have had peace since 1809 there is no other country on planet earth where you have such a long period of time of peace and this means that swedes in a way behave in a somewhat different way as compared to germans the russians or through or french or any other people so here's a hint that mulatto could only were applied to sweden because swedish people have

heightened sense of responsibility and social awareness and no other country would be able to service the following because it will end up in germans i mean they're pretty much ruled that they do everything they're told to do i don't see any german people breaking that rules. and yes they do but here you can do it with rather only a recommendation you don't even need a little you can actually recommend people to do things you can propose people to do things and they will go with you and as i said the central word here is trust the fact that you trust the person that recommend you to do certain things and then you will go with the person since your trust the person or the authority and here we know from research that sweden together with maybe just pan. to certain extent korea have a situation where you have a very high trust in this society and that means that we are

a little bit different when it comes to how we organize our companies universities as well as a pandemic to fight the pandemic still there's been so much press about this tweet issue model and everyone's calling it a different thing someone says it's a risk model and other outlets sensible policy health care will and exterior meant and those are some of the words that are actually so describing basically shravan damage is this really sure a gamble is it a risk or is it a part of the plan and the garley here is exactly where it's going has if you're saying this is all based on personal responsibility and these fleets are people who have heightened sense of responsibility i mean it is still it's still sound like a gamble to me to know when i mean because i see what you mean now 2 things here the 1st thing use this virus we know today

will hit every country. it had. and it already said $184.00 of the $200.00 countries are something that if we hit every country and in principle it will also hate rude person sooner or later it seems we don't have a vaccine. now as an effect of that there are this is only a matter of choice method what kind of method you will use to keep it in the flow to the health care system at a decent level in our respective countries finland germany sweden russia everywhere it's a matter of keeping it in a flow to the health care system at a level such that it doesn't crash and explode in some countries you do it by locking the whole 'd country down and control the inflow that way in some

countries you do it we have. changing the legislation police on the street and you keep the flow inflow to the health care system at the certain limit here you don't have to call out the police or the military people still follow the recommendations which means the health care system has not crashed which is the test if you see what i mean this is the ultimate test does the health care system stand by sort out the problems and ask her s.l. today or yesterday i should say because we got the numbers yet that it was yes still standing still working people seems to follow the recommendations yes we don't have to go further. or appease here sophie has also been very clear if you do not follow the recommendations. we would take 12345 steps more and

then it would be more roach up there proves that the government is having to exit evil is that you should all be responsible for each other and if one breaks the rules then we're going to implement harsher measures that everyone else sort of goes down with you is that the yes you can call that a social punishment and for a swedish person that's a very hard punishment to go like ha so you doesn't follow the rules then we have to change the whole procedure here which means that we have to punish everybody if you see what i mean. and that's exactly where we are today the government has announced you follow these recommendations if you don't we will be tougher so that this one ish open model is contrary to everything every country has doing on so contradiction lumped into one you know advice i say city of i'm just wondering. how exactly can this race government

sankoh it games to peer pressure of it out of its neighbors let me take insisted this way because it's not easy you know whatever is insane wearing it to gather their family together we were all in lock downs and then sadly it's really like we'll sorry we're not doing that but i think it's pretty cool and if it's working out for you then best but ricky must've been very hard now to go against this you know more like tight. yes but there are 2 asses to this one you know one answer is so this trust thing that you and i have been talking about the other thing is that we have a model for governance in this country which prescribes that a government is subject to follow the recommendations of its experts origins and a minister can know all. fired i have no doubt the authority or intern

rename any way you or any others so you are bound to follow the recommendations of the experts here so the experts come with firm recommendations to you as a prime minister you will look at the recommendation it's a scientific recommendation and it's public and transparent it will be very very difficult for you to say i will go against my experts and propose a complete lockdown. over where they ran some numbers and correct me if i'm wrong and on your theory that you're comparing any connery systemic economic system to a bicycle it's like a massacre which seeks to keep growing because it has stopped to fall and then in that way it makes complete sense why sweden is trying to do what he desk but on it and the same hand laid on the same time at the end and record number of people have

been fired by the almost 37000 people according to this city's t.v. doesn't have an impact of yes yes it is a current crisis be and late things haven't been think great have the country g.d.p. easels expected to drop so does that mean that despite all the measures see economic fall out of the pedantic will be found the same in sweden as immediately you know this is i used to compare it. to excuse myself 1st for comparing such a serious thing as a deceased to some kind of sport this is like a horse race where it's like m r us on there are 200 horses countries or 200 participants in this marathon and the question is which technique plays out to say most lives and companies because it's a matter of saving both as much as you can of your economy and as many lives as possible. we would know that in 2 or 3 years' time when we compared to

today it's difficult because we didn't start the race at the same time if you see what i mean. the virus came to be totally before it came to sweden the virus came to prey out way before it came to to the nordic countries or to russia which means that it's too early to compare. what you can see here i am to mother countries you can say i am half finnish asked swedish and when you look at the finnish experience so far today a lot of country down as you know they have very few infected number a low number of infected people. very few deaths in relation to the population but they also declared. this means that we will have to continue with restrictions and very firm restrictions until november oktober november maybe even

december because. the number of infected people we continue over time for a longer period of time. here in sweden my other home country the number of infected people today is high the deaths somewhat higher than in finland but it also means that the infection will play out faster here. you need.

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back with congress or swedish economists in a speaker best selling author feature rescan you mentioned you are there more than langston and you're saying to very strict social measures and it has been locked down till november december so this straight social distancing measures they're also taken tone people's minds as well it's not just the mont asiri lake. area who know at some point which one would be a bigger problem like a psychological problem you are economical problem how luck can take can people actually take it because we're all social elements i feel like that that they were asked to bring her and i was just going to further south i think you are exactly right there we are of course the break in many countries today. when you look a country then you also look people's life down and at the end of the day this hass

an impact on our health to. this we know we also know that high unemployment rates if we come up to 1520 percent. unemployment in countries that would have an impact on health too so it's a matter of balancing things here if you go are too harsh with the lockdown measures there will be healthy implications on the other side if you go too soft on the virus and on the pandemic of course then you risk crashing the health care system which will have a low impact on the. health of the population so you balance things here i think it makes sense that we do it in a somewhat different way because people culture our history are different. and that means that the french the german dissuaded the russian way will be

a little bit different in terms of nuances because so our respective countries history and experience so you also say the saying that the economy is to a large extent driven by hope yes hope tracks investments our consumption but to be quite honest sounds thinking about that and i mostly dream about the day when i get out of home back to work and i jus like the simplest things right may carry a coffee on a terrace humming a friend you know i taking a walk and i'm certainly not thinking about investments or consumption and i am thinking that may be on hold for a while for me and there are a lot of people around b. who think the same way so where it does in the situation of post derek hope as a dragger of economy come in because i don't hope for investments and consumption i

just hope for the simplest things i never thought at hope for it's a very well you put it very well there and i think we will follow precisely the cycle i did was start with very small things that we are hoping for to see our friends to have a coffee together take a walk together a summer day maybe even if so why and if we're lucky. investments buying a house in from source something like that not and that means that we want to start up the economy probably the wrong as slowly after this spend their money. depend on ics seems to be a little bit longer than we expected from the beginning. and that means that it will take a little bit longer to start up the economy look at to marie some for example or the airline in the local airline industry the planes are all on the ground around the world today most of them

a place to start is up we're looking at several years to 3 in some cases maybe even more so i also want to look at the world today. borders being back up and hold and that's understandable and travel bans supply chains are paralyzed and you know what happened to damage globalization was sort of not in the high here but will this quranic crassus kill it completely rethink not completely. number one this global lice ation phenomenon basically started with in its modern form we've china opening its north to do west now disown the it union collapsing some years later in the beginning of the ninety's and then into world open like an oyster. and you could basically

use the whole world as a playground i doubt i mean that you could buy components from china you could buy oil in or other components from russia you could ship it to holland packet sheet then distribute it in europe it was a found pass the 3035 years where we were using the competitive advantages of our respective country it was like agreeing your own boost kind of party locally. everybody brought their their own thing to the table. as come to a halt. absolutely however we wait and create regional supply change we won't we won't go back to national we go back to regional that means that would be a nordic northern european european a show european not a necessarily a global for the foreseeable future because i'm still having hard time imagining

what he would be like. the world economy right now is so interconnected and dependent on flow of people and services and goods become local esle arrow still their recent because when you're saying it's going to go from global to regional. i assume it's going to take also some time what do we do between what happens in between we would indeed do a little bit of both which means that we would have our foot in the global world which supply chains that go all the way to pakistan or we have now more or or argentina or somewhere else in the world global supply chains but we will gradually build a local or regional backup so for a time we will have both. if we see it over a longer period of time like 20 or 25 years we will be back to globalisation if we

look at the long history of human beings there is one and only one direction we go in bigger institutions and more international i say sions but there are blips seem to occur because a war because of an demick speaker so things that happen but the long term rise 1520 years later we will be back. so this region there is a shame that you talk you talk about this isn't a flight to condemn it to feel like it's just going to be fast for for it because of the pull down me it could have taken place over the course of i don't know 5 or 10 years and i was thinking course overnight because of the pull down it exactly right and i think what the 10 downing do to the economic system is that it speeds up certain structural changes we've been talking about internet shopping for 20 years and it still has been very slow in certain industries now it's happening we

have been talking about building up local suppliers over many many years that it's necessary to have also local suppliers now it's happening so it in a way speeds things up that we have been talking about. so i have maybe a bit of a philosophical question for you because when i look at crisis major crisis that took place right now i can 20 workmanlike 29 or 2008 it sort of happened overnight i mean people woke up one day and found that they've lost or their savings aren't and money was no good anymore it got devalued where this sat it's very different and i mean this situation evolved gradually we don't know when it's going and but well there are that it's going to and we'll only know that we're going to have a crass in our hand so i was thinking because it's the beginning of this crisis and because this whole thing is some unconventional could this outcome also be

unconventional i mean do you think we are in long recession like 5 to 10 years like in 2008 or do you think maybe because the form of the crisis is so on conventional the solution to it also could be nothing like before. extreme him sit down require an extreme response and this is rather extreme and it starts not with a financial mishap or something wrong with them financial machinery it starts with you and me being locked down in an apartment somewhere which means that we can't buy our coffee we can't do our shopping so the crisis impact. all these crises on the economic system basically comes from the buying and it's the buyers that are not there to some extent it's the suppliers that can deliver

but it's not a banking crisis it's not the dollar that these were a currency that is collapsing nothing it's a virus that stops the machinery. of consumption and that has a lot of the impact that. the change of the economic system. yes date will be different this time the governments in our respective country we can think of the government as an insurance company i used to think seriously of government sounded public sector as a big insurance company and now it's time for the insurance company to pay up and that's what they are doing in our respective countries in a somewhat different way because we are different but the insurance companies are now paying and they are painful to damage ace that means that we can start up much faster then weed out an insurance policy but it would still required to do

in some industries 3 years before we are back i'm talking about the airline industry hotels traveling. it will take some time so far what's your estimate what's what like 3 to 5 years 2 to 3 years to we're back to normal years before we are back. and then 5 years because before we are full speed ahead and to be back to the level of globalisation that we see today probably more like 1015 years just last question because i knew his system demick. is a paradox in a way because it has put the world of hold right but on the other hand just like the regionalization process it has fast forward so many processes for instance processes there were supposed to die were tracking a lot of their data or not and present and they were supposed to start you know that they're in there they're not like

a distant future any more than to say it's our reality i'm talking about how jobson changed and it that a job market is changing the business is the right out and sure the newspapers are gone forever for instance an online businesses are here forever at this point you know and like i'm not even sure if a lot of people will go back to work because they figure they can work from home so i am trying to figure out where if human nature is it is a good thing that the transformation happened so quickly or doing it more time for it i think in time so pandemic. time so big crises same stories down to whoa we human beings are and one thing we human beings are on average is that we are an energy saving type of animals we are lacey. we don't do things until we are forced to do them we should be lacey evolution has

created us that way we shouldn't run around and spend energy left and right we should say energy but that also means that on average people are lazy they don't want to change their habits you and me we don't want to change our habits neither in our private life nor professionally if we can postpone it a little bit until next year or the year after that what we see now is an external shock a load fibrous beth forces us to change we don't like to do internet shopping now we have to do you like to have a newspaper financial times paper nice paper now you don't get it you're forced to read it's only web so the ladies see birth since we are already now foresty into new habits and that's why i think this is

a little bit different than a financial crisis. thank you so much for this wonderful insight oh whatever is happening without a cent in here is the future i hope we get to talking matter trying to do for when we have more marry me is to discuss but it's always a pleasure talking to you good luck with everything and stacy they say thank you very much.

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individuals who are scared it's about getting attention a legal condition. taro's who were dismissed after speaking out about shortages of protective kids consider taking legal action i'll be joined by a campaigner. and a charity made up of former members of the special forces delivers much needed p.p.a. to hospitals and care homes and into the ongoing route over shortages on the frontline . welcome to r.t. u.k. prime minister boris johnson's promise of a comprehensive road map for lifting the long down measures keeps the u.k. waiting as the death toll continues to rise that's as figures reveal those from poorer areas are significantly more likely to die from coronavirus. joins me now with the latest of all this so that shouting out what do you think then and for

what they've said courage the u.k.'s look down actually look like and of course boris johnson is now back in action returning to that press briefing just yesterday on thursday after suffering from kovac 19 but his return very much. needed for the country as the public and politicians alike have really been waiting for an exit strategy the government to produce and publish an exit strategy of what post knocked down britain may in fact look like and boris johnson didn't give away all the answers but what he did do is set up a road map essentially giving the u.k. an idea of what it might look like in his words a menu of options of how to get the united kingdom back on track now a key driver of this wide ranging strategy is to keep the our number down that's the reproductive rate of the virus meaning the number of people the average person could infect now the height of this pandemic that number was really around 3 it's now between 0.6 to 0.9 so below one and that's where boris johnson wants that

number to stay and for that reason social distancing measures will remain in place now we could also anticipate that facemask will play a big big role scotland has already recommended their use in public the united kingdom also advising and recommending it though not acts in official capacity boris johnson saying that they would be useful in downing street reiterating that the effects would indeed be positive as for reopening things then they are trying to return even to a semblance of normality eventually so schools could be opened in a stark approach the education secretary williamson mentioned this and he said that different age groups could be allowed back into the classroom continuing then with this somewhat phased approach different parts of the country could reopen before others michael gove has said that britain's islands could see the lockdown lifted before the rest of the country however crucially the government has not committed

to any dates just yet so really this is mapping out the path to the destination but we still don't know when any of this could happen for certain the issue is whether the united kingdom will come in a use. $0.05 with this approach to britain and the absence of boris johnson many of the devolved nations almost whenever in separate ways by publishing their own guidelines for instance nicholas sturgeon the 1st minister of scotland she said if she thought it necessary she would divulge from the united kingdom's policy and potentially lift the lockdown measures before the rest of the united kingdom that's something that was somewhat reiterated by the welsh foreign minister minister although he said he would prefer the united kingdom doesn't as a whole i'm in favor of it for me should approach we went into lockdown together on the same terms on the same day i would like to see us come to look down on the basis. well you'd be forgiven for forgetting what week we are in

this lockdown period as the days now roll in 2 months we are indeed at the end of week 6 and somewhat the feeling across the united kingdom generally is a feeling of frustration and boredom and now according to an poll that was conducted across the u.k. a majority of brits in fact 2 thirds of brits would still be quite uncomfortable going into bars and restaurants pubs and clubs restaurants and indeed even on the public transportation but breaking that figure down slightly looking at the categories of age differences looking at the 18 to 34 year olds what we're seeing is they're much more comfortable much more at ease to go out into the public purse lock down of course you're also coming to a point in the day rule so the figures are being released although so what are the current figures looking like well boris johnson did announce that we are past the peak in fact we're seeing a downward trajectory a downward slope but we can see now the daily death toll remains very high over the last 24 hour period the number has jumped by $427.00 bringing the total number of

deaths since the outbreak began to $27198.00 as a reminder that figure now includes deaths across all settings so that does include hospitals and those even care homes but according to the office for national statistics what we can see is that people in poor areas areas of the country are dying much much more likely to die from corona virus than those who live in affluent areas on average the most deprived area in england and wales experienced 50 deaths per 100000 people that's more than double the ratio for some of the most affluent areas 118 percent to be exact the figures also show that the capital has the highest $1000.00 mortality mortality rate with more than 80 deaths per 100000 people and if we split that down into london bars we can see. that new is the worst

affected with over 140 deaths per 100000 people it's followed closely by brant and hackney but as i say the prime minister has made clear that we are past the peak of this virus he did stress that brighter days do lie ahead but indeed they are still a long way away so new center doesn't shut you thank you very much indeed thank you . frisbee revealed that a substantial number of patients admitted to hospitals in the u.k. with coronavirus have died the latest research which is yet to be reviewed by experts claims over 30 percent of patients go on to die from the disease what over 50 percent of those in hospitals with coronavirus have preexisting conditions the report also highlighted the most significant health risk factor after chronic illnesses is obesity increasing the risk of death by 37 percent or meanwhile a cardiologist has drawn attention to the fact that boris johnson suffered more severe complications than his cabinet colleagues health secretary matt hancock his name is dr seema lotro and earlier he told me that general health the general

health of the u.k. population is dire. i had been looking and analyzing the states well before code 19 actually here i was shorts and up to that point it was quite clear that chronic diseases associated with obesity were increasing the risk of mortality in terms of increasing the risk of death in some cases up to 10 times and if you have a combination of respondents and what's interesting prior to coming out of time no one has really answered it quite pretty disappointed that even with the city's most of economy not just seem to have been worse than homes from flu it seemed to carry the virus for longer so when our prime minister very very concerning at the time got me to the hospital that was an observation a clear observation of mine that you know it's it was interesting that the rest of the cabinet who were trauma didn't seem to be were as badly affected of course these are multifactorial issues but the reality is that the root of this problem which hasn't really been tackled in fact is also the root of our health crisis what

is not health system under strain is the fact that the general health of the u.k. population and many parts of western europe as well is pretty dire so more than 60 percent of all populations of weight are obese. well let's turn to the latest coronavirus figures as they emerge from the u.k.'s home nations the u.k. why death toll has passed 27000 is n.h.s. saying it had revealed a further 352 deaths the scottish 1st minister today on friday announced 40 more deaths in scotland since thursday and northern ireland has reported 18 new deaths and wales 70 well the 1st minister of wales moderate food has promised to give over 64000 social care workers a 500 pound bonus amid a growing number of 1000 deaths in care homes and the 1st minister of scotland nicholas sturgeon and his plans to accelerate coronavirus testing in the country particularly in care homes. and for

a global picture of the pandemic we turn to the latest available data almost 3300000 people are now infected with covert 19 according to johns hopkins university in the u.s. which collates worldwide data and nearly a quarter of a 1000000 people have lost their lives as a result of the global pandemic were russia's prime minister become mature skin has tested positive for corona virus becoming the highest ranking russian official to be infected while a german court has ruled in favor of allowing public demonstrations during the pandemic of some protesters have been arrested for breaking social distancing rules and for the 1st time in french history may day won't be marked in the streets of france with the usual scenes of tear gas and police clashes instead people will protest from balconies windows with lone demonstrators heading to the streets of paris. still to come this. former special force member saw some deliver protective kit to those in need amid the ongoing drought over shortages. and 5 parents who

lost their jobs in care homes after protecting the lack of property fee and understaffing are considering taking legal action we'll hear from the woman behind the charity for carers.

we go to work soon straight home. welcome back medical groups have warned of a growing mental health crisis among the u.k.'s health castoff fighting coronavirus

it comes as a survey found frontline workers were not getting enough support to help with the pressures of the pandemic the survey of 350 staff conducted by a t.v. news channel and a medical association found almost 6 in 10 of those and h s workers were unable to cope with the stresses caused by working on the frontline the emotional toll has been so bad for some that 11 percent said they've been left feeling suicidal because of the pressure while a small minority a little over 3 percent admitted to self harming over the course of the outbreak and a lack of adequate support was also identified with nearly half of those who responded say not enough support has been made available to ring this time it comes as a mental wellbeing guide for n.h.s. workers advice is the public against describing them as heroes or angels the guide argues this puts unfair pressure on staff to be brave instead it suggests great empathy communication and empowerment for medical staff the doctors association

said it was important for the public enemy ts remember medics were just the same as the rest of the population. it is critical that we remember the health coworkers do not have superpowers they are people with their own families and private lives and will have been affected as much as the rest of the population by the look down and lack of their usual coping strategies they hear rhetoric that we have heard so much of in the media whilst appreciated does little to support the mental wellbeing of stuff who feel unable to speak out about the difficulties broadcaster and doctor i mean a concept the government should do more to support the mental health of all care workers not just those in the n.h.s. . this be very little focus on the mental health of all people it's not just any chest work as you look at your work in supermarkets postal workers delivery drivers all of them are putting themselves out there every day at risk of getting the virus and coming up with a defect in a family's is being very little focus

a lot and i am actually proud say that some mental health charities the samaritans mind hospice u.k.'s goal join forces and put together something called our front line which is mental health support for every single key worker out there do you think the government should be doing more could be doing more to help in that sense in terms of mental health well the n.h.s. is certainly focused on it and now and they are offering help and there is support support available for n.h.s. work and this help lines that they think they can call but i would like the government to extend that to beyond n.h.s. workers and really focus on all key because it is easy to get it like is it that we get a lot of kind of recognition going to work and but then you know that they've got the same stresses that we have but they haven't got the recognition that sometimes n.h.s. workers get and that will be adding to their mental health issues david on you said that you don't want to be called a hero or something called angels as well but surely that is fighting the virus on

the front line they don't worry too much by little bit of praise are they and you can also be sure that the public actually in a time like this one some heroes to look up to. yeah i know i did and every thursday you know that means so much to and the recognition it reaches you're getting from the british public is is is really really important and i can't stress that we are very very grateful for it but some days when we go to work we don't feel like heroes that we don't feel like soldiers and it doesn't feel like a war where you know we're just individuals who are scared about getting a potentially lethal condition. 5 carers who lost their jobs in care homes after questioning the lack of proper p.p. and understaffing are considering taking legal action the cases relate to breaches of confidentiality and campaigners say at least 3 carriers have strong course for constructive dismissal one charity says it had 87 calls in just 2 weeks from staff

concerned about a lack of personal protective kit. well more on the story i'm now joined by the founder of compassion carrot charity that runs a helpline for whistleblowers and her name is eileen champ eileen thank you very much for joining us you've been working with these 5 carriers obviously we're not going to identify them i mean what concerns did they have. and obviously the protective equipment is a major concern. we've been getting calls from day one about this so this is going back weeks west of going to work every day and the next day it gets harder because the concerns they raised were neck to dawn and the next day gets harder and then more inevitably happens is that a lack of trust and lack of a lack of trust their employer cares a lack of trust that the government care. at the end of the day this crisis was foreseeable and you know it's been a number of weeks now since stuff or been raising concerns about to p.p.a. about lack of star fane as well care homes usually get by on a wing and

a prayer. anything goes wrong and everything crumbles and that is the case now where staff of sick and there isn't anyone to replace them it was a story on and you think kara should simply refuse to work if they don't have the correct p.p.a. . to be honest it is a huge dilemma for people because you know the people that context does the good care is that you know this stuff that humble may with you know their compassion for the job and you know you don't hear about these health care workers they're going to be given half of all covert care when people are dying and this is happening there's a number of issues here there is the government's policy to case hospital patients into care homes that lost a huge amount of trust and after public outcry the government did do a u. turn on that however does been a lot of damage done by that there's also the issue that their employees. some of

whom have are making billions in profits have not you know foreseen this and had any adequate stocks of p.p.a. these cameras are working with the same to fade prep aprons and gloves that they would have in a normal year well it's so well out in the government is saying that there isn't a kit on the way and they can have stats are now officially included in those in the daily death tolls as well do you think then by this the government is taking the situation more seriously now i do know i'm sorry but what has happened here at the fact that this policy came and there's been some good care homes that have said we're not going to accept patients in that they have covert 19 because we're putting our residents and stuff at risk but there are many big companies that will take and fill beds and they don't mind the cost of doing that. so no i do not think so i think what the government of down when it comes to the day care situation and care and social care is they're reacting after this outcry and their

mistakes are pointed out and those mistakes should have been made i mean people have died needlessly that could have been saved and as it is we've got. a hospital beds and we've got people dying in residential care homes where there are no nurses and these people are dying gasping for air i mean this is no. a mistake by the government this is a human rights abuse and it needs to be investigated properly and there needs to be accountability for what's happened here and the care workers that continue to work in these conditions every day are at breaking point their mental health is suffered and there's no help or support from them and they just feel abandoned by the whole system and you know i know it's great that people are clapping for the n.h.s. spite say to people clap for these carers they're doing something absolutely amazing they're not trained they've got no equipment and they've got no gratitude and i think that you know at least we can do is to stand up for them indeed i mean

do you think there should be more coordination. across the whole of the care sector that includes the n.h.s. as well as the characters well i mean i think what's happened here is what we've seen is we've been raising concerns about the lack of protection for whistleblowers in law we've been raising those for 2 decades since the 1st case was using the current law we've also been raising concerns about social care system and about how there are small homes that are struggling and they need help but there are big companies that are making billions and you know this money should be spent on the residence care and on the start of it should be deposited in all sure accounts so you know there needs to be serious questions asked about the kind of care system we have and what's gone wrong and should we take back accountability for the care system and merge it with the n.h.s. because i think that that could be the answer there needs to be more accountability and as far as i'm concerned i do have sympathy with the government it's a difficult situation but the people there advice in them need to seriously get

some common sense and stead of just keep looking at charts they need to actually use their brains and think about their policies and what the consequences could be i mean the guidance they put out a bad mean people into care homes from hospital the guidance was written for a hospital environment it wasn't me and you got covert 19 patients and people who wanted in and out of their brains with dementia and marching into other frames i don't know if you say they're not in there does that does need to be what you think is a coordinated effort i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there a 5 gallon shot thank you very much for joining us. a former special forces have been supplying front line protective kit as there are over shortages intensifies r.t.u. case he's around a possible. thank you very much the other day thank you chris thank you for dropping off again thank you very much thank you very much thank you for. the crew the virus kundan it continues hundreds of lives the last day the. it is

the ongoing battle to get personal protective equipment to medical staff which continues to dominate the headlines and make the efforts to tackle the crisis so much more difficult the government has blamed delivery logistics and the global shortage while critics say it was simply unprepared and failed to implement its own pandemic planning reports. but admits the route local groups continue to step in and help where they can the pilgrim bandits charity made up of former british soldiers are one such organization and i perform in p.p. in dropoffs to n.h.s. staff in care homes across london we see the shoot g.'s o. order. the distribution just slowness the distribution of. p.p. what we were able to do you wish p.p. with the money that we had within the charity and then distribute it to the places that that it needed the money where we see we spoke to

a lot of the people would be now much services and they point to should the right direction the government claim to have provided 1000000000 pieces of p.p.a. to those on the front line. and 73500000 with individual gloves being counted as single units of. we are the government and it is for a comment that didn't get a reply meanwhile problem doctors continue to challenge the government's record and question whether it could have acted sooner it knew that this was coming it knew that it would need protection it didn't take heed from what was happening with the rest of the world at the end of the day we don't care where the equipment comes from as long as we're protected but it's unreasonable to expect for such an important thing to expect charities to be supplying we shouldn't have to rely on

charities for the exogenous the supply chain problems are understandable in a global pandemic but they say they stand by to help out in any way they can the government has now recognized that it needs to support the care home so i put in a good strategy now just for the stage it is a little bit slower as we all know but you know it's it's a pandemics a global pandemic and everyone is struggling everyone is trying to buy the q 2 there is going to be a natural. you know a natural grass but this growth. but it's unclear what situation the country would be in wasn't the help from organizations like this these are the r.t. u.k. london. and finally the u.k. chief medical officer has not only taken the smiles world by storm his distinctive facial features have inspired many artists across the country to create some unusual masterpieces. for.

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