hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle as we have said from the very beginning russia gate is a hoax and a fraud there is now ample evidence to prove this and what explains trump's flip flop on the iran nuclear deal. across stopping this and more i'm joined by my guest alexander macarius in london he's a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the brand dot com and in

nicosia we cross to our special for news they director of the duran regiment crossed up rules and i think that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let's go to. negotiate a 1st over the last few days we've had blockbuster revelations about things that you and i know and we care so talked about for years that that michael flynn when he was national security adviser the early days of the trump administration he was set up by the f.b.i. now we believe this from the very beginning because logic using logic we deduce this now we have evidence that it's absolutely true that he was in traps and more than that explained all right so there's without shadow of a doubt now that the f.b.i. was targeting flynn and they were targeting him to either get him to commit perjury . or get him to get him fired or get him to leave so that was our goal and we have

to go back now to know we know how do we know yes ok so 1st of all we have the f.b.i. notes from the former head of a counter intelligence bill kristol who after meeting with comi and deputy director andrew became so he was with me and with mckay his notes say what is our goal question mark truth and mission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired there's also some further notes that not many people are talking about but i think it's relevant in our discussion peter where he says if we get him to admit to break in the logan act. get facts to the d.o.j. and have them decide or if he initially lies then prove then we present him and there's and there's a part that's not legible there and he admits it document for d.o.j. and let them decide how to address it this is the d.o.j. of sally yates rosenstein all these obama officials all the anti truckers now let's

go back further to 2018 where there is an interview with n.b.c.'s nicolle wallace at the 92nd street y. conference something like that and we have got the quote here so while this asks komi quote you look at this white house now and it's hard to imagine 2 f.b.i. agents ending up in the sit room how did that happen the situation room now komi says proud in heroic in front of an orange yeah and orange band bad resistance neo liberal woke audience which collapsed by the way which claps of his response is what komi says quote i sent them quote something i probably wouldn't have done or even god in a way with even god in a way with in a more organized investigation a more organized administration of any references the bush and obama administration peter that's how we got here it's an admission by comi we have the notes now from

priest up in the alexander mackerras maybe i'm naive or just badly informed but doesn't the f.b.i. just in vesta gate and it's others to determine what course of action should be taken it seems to me that they're playing multiple roles right here and this is a conspiracy a conspiracy against the duly elected president of the united states when in the government within the government of the united states this act and but you know i really want to stress here people may not know this is not what the f.b.i. is supposed to be doing go ahead out that's had. and it will lighten can i just say when there was certain when the congress was looking at this is this is one of the congressional reports on think it's from the senate's action the f.b.i. has very very great difficulty explaining exactly why they want you to interview flame because there's no clear crime here that clinton is alleged to have

committees. he had some conversations with the russian ambassador that the f.b.i. has all the translucent zones they know that there is nothing wrong so why exactly they need what exactly are they looking at in fact different people and you don't go to me you go ok you got saudi yates's the. general they're all lost and teachers and gives slightly different reasons as to why the f.b.i. is into it interviewing this person at all and of course they go through a complete in will see just they don't actually go through once house counsel they get rain some eat properly there isn't cause discussions with any general flayed is told well you don't need a lawyer present you don't have to have any kind of a counsel their business is business or woolies given julian cautions if any shape

or form and of course this is on john as we see from the notes which alex sapporo is just discussed is clearly a case of entrapment i say that with complete cultus and consider also kobe's words that alex was too far it was just mentioned. i could not have got away with it with it when in the previous administration go to way with it this is a police official the senior police official all the you know. thanks to a king about getting away with some ease that heloc least mental and the nation's most senior police officer this thing is a shocking affair it was a gross case of entrapment and that's what it will say. outsource it for i mean

this obviously was the kneecap being mean the new administration or you decapitate the national security advisor i mean there's you know general flynn has a very long career and he did make a lot of enemies in the process it is widely believed that he was going to reorganize american foreign policy in many respects not against iran he held that position as other administrations and this was obviously directed it going after trump himself ok and of course i mean i know i'm going to be just a little naive here and us are casting. general flynn's name is in the steel dossier isn't it you know the answer about how. peter though a couple of points in flint. trump never got his. got on the right track after they took out flint he went through a bunch of n.s.a. guys including the master and of course let's not forget john bolton and let's not

forget all the trouble that bolton call. trumps foreign policy so taking out flynn was was a key move for the neo liberals and the neo cons and the deep state as a point of one point number 2 is obama and let's not forget obama because if komi did this. i think obama knew or maybe even order in my opinion komi to do this because obama told trump to watch out for falling now why were 2 people exactly and joan ok exactly exactly ed now why did obama say that why did he want trump i think for one of 2 reasons maybe both flynn wanted to get out of syria when actually exposed syria to be honest he exposed that obama was funding isis al-qaeda and all these guys and the other reason is that flynn wanted to dismantle the iran deal he was in favor of

it which was a which was a keystone to to obama's foreign policy so obama warns about flint he what obama hated flip so there's a connection here there's no doubt a connection between what komi did and the obama presidency and we have jeff sessions that recuse themselves so basically you have in the justice department he's nique out and also in national security the incentive to care isn't it weak in this was a counter intelligence operation because of foreign official the russian ambassador at the time was involved this is a counter intelligence operation my understanding is that caused this to happen has to go all the way to the top all the way to the president of the united states it's very difficult for me that we're up a bomb i can deny that he knew this was going on absolutely can i just point out this wasn't just a counterintelligence operation that began with flynt talking to the russian

ambassador in december 2016 in fact we now know that flame who was the target of a counterintelligence investigation on the f.b.i. on going back at least. 68 lead. in december or january 2000 sixteen's 2007 sit in that investigation is closed because they find that there is absolutely nothing against flynn a tall there's no evidence at all that he's a russian agent or that russian asked that i didn't go 7 through his idea never questions of his relationship with turkey that was where i met him i don't know but they what they do is they they decide to keep. it real or to. these open remain open so that he can beat him you again have about this conversation where they have the transcripts and they know that he's done

absolutely nothing wrong and as i said they really come up with a computer and takes the nation oh why they are justified isn't immediately why do they do that well he's black well it's because they want to get at is that the the words are actually that the f.b.i. only which is a police investigation counterintelligence agency is a means to get someone saw it from the u.s. is that all police agency school to get people fired. that's the victim komi f.b.i. here but they just come back you know absolutely what only person he can openly look the president of the united states who holds barack obama's through most of this period in fact nearly all of this period can have been unaware of what was going all. the obvious thing is in the air is that there's been a gross misuse this year i mean there are general flynn and i disagree with him on a number of policies but it's not policies it's procedures here that have been

violated he's bankrupt. he has his his career is a bit of a blemish tremendously and he's been tarred in the media as a foreign agent a russian spy i mean we have seen people get to monetise. i spoke with fake news but i mean what about all of the mainstream media they reported fake news ok are they going to be monetized and the biggest question is the now and if trump and i think he will soon pardon the plane that's going to blow up everything the entire narrative because the the mother report didn't change anyone's minds because these people are ideologically possessed but if you exonerate lynn that says something about establishment in the media and the liberals that pushed all of this nonsense on us go ahead out you have fully needs to be part of there's no doubt about it there's no doubt out that they targeted flint there's no doubt peter in my opinion

that this was a coup this was collusion a conspiracy to remove trump no doubt about it this was a coup against the united states president it was the f.b.i. it was the cia it was the obama white house it was the d.o.j. it was robert mueller and it was the main stream media and alternative new sites and other news organizations have been reporting the truth about what happened during the entire russia gate russia gate hoax which is about the dumbest story the dumbest narrative noblest story and we've got it right now i have to jump in here gentlemen we have to our break and after that heart break we'll continue our discussion. real say with arkie.

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things. to change possible sensible to. welcome back across not where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle remind you we're discussing some real men. ok let's go to alexander macarius in london would switch gears here one of the strangest things that i have seen in foreign policy directives in my lifetime and believe me i've been in foreign policy junkie as long as i can remember i used to play hooky from school to watch them all watergate hearings ok i'm interested in politics but now you know i find it very interesting is that the liberal media the personally they call the biggest clown in american politics is on will trump why would. disagree with them it's mike pompei because my company who now says

remarkably miraculously united states never left iran's nuclear deal the united states is still a signatory to it what is going on here it seems to be a damn gambit about having. both things at the same time and again this clownish figure is being laughed at unfortunately he's secretary of state you know what i'm getting here go ahead alex and an exactly what it is i mean if this is a device this is a procedural device a calming plan if you will whereby the united states says that even despite the threat we've actually called ounce of. j.c. that the iran deal of nuclear weapons even though we've pulled out of it we are actually still with me so we both can't add again it at the same. because we're still in it we are in a position to say iran is in breach of this and they're full that must mean

the security council the un security council has across the whole sanctions on iraq now i think this is absolutely ridiculous a lot are giving anybody sees the launch this whole approximately. i think this kind of juvenile diplomacy which is what it is is going to cut a very bad impression around the world internationally i didn't think the united states can succeed with this and all that they're doing it again is that they grazing question marks about accomplices and intelligence and frankly maturity of the people who are running the u.s. foreign policy at the start of this if you can mike ok so you know it's in nicosia it's being called diplomatic band the lives of and i think that's a very very good term for all of this here. i mean not only is it ludicrous you

can't have it both ways at the same time there is the european signatories to this agreement are not going to go along with that and they've been subject to so much pressure even sanctions are not back in the u.s. position but it is so patently obvious that this is ridiculous on its face they're not going to go along with it and and it's you it shows that there's maximum pressure on iran is a failure because all it's done is to punish the people of iran even during the coronavirus sanctions would not be lifted they could not go there i mean this is such a spiteful policy here and it really is a indication of failure still more failure on the part of this administration and not just this administration going back decades right now but what it does also for the trumpet ministration is to discredit the united states as a diplomatic player on the world stage you can't have 2 things at the same time that are contradictory contradictory go ahead oh yeah it also shows that the u.s.

wasn't you know when they got out of the deal they were thinking what's going to happen the next day and they definitely definitely did not think that you would have this covert pandemic coming in and hitting every country on the planet so i mean not only did they not have a plan as to how to deal with iran after they pulled out which was something that trump was talking about but as he was campaigning for president he would pull out of the worst deal of the century as he called it that's fine that was a campaign promise he became president and he executed on that promise but he did not think about the next day and how to deal with the rot and then the people he put in place to deal with this my calm pale are even more clueless put on top of this a cove it pandemic that's destroying every single economy a massive health crisis all around the world and there's no way out of this at this point it's in my opinion this is checkmate the u.s. 3 is in a box now. iran has withstood all the sanctions they've withstood the pandemic as

well and they're coming out of this in the lead the us this is a failed policy the u.s. has to go back and rethink this but i think they're going to rethink this in the scheme of after the 2020 elections if trump does win those elections that i think is going to to kind of reimagine how to engage with iran but at this point in time i don't see anything moving forward here in iraq and that would be perfectly fine with me because a person 1st and foremost disagreement is a is a nonproliferation agreement and that is something good and it should have been built upon and not wrecked ok but alexandra here is me the oddity of all of this here is if on the face you know trump says he wants a new agreement ok fine but i mean how how can you have an you know a lock of her that wants to destroy the agreement your country is signed and say well we want to sit down and get a new agreement i mean no sane person is going to say ok because well you just tore

up the cream of your country and here too are the previous administration and now you want to sit down now and you've added sanctions were and we're not in breach of the agreement i mean how can they ran and i'm just talking about rational actors here it's not saying rand good or us bad here but i mean talking about how internationally lesions and diplomacy works i mean how and how can one in a locker lead the other one saying what you just did this and you repeated it over and over again and you've added sanctions because you have withdrawn from the agreement i mean this is ludicrous it no one can take it seriously but what it does is it degrades diplomatic efforts all or all the way around go ahead i'll place is completely unconventional diplomacy to put it mildly and what you usually to will use to happen during the cold war which is you know the carrot on is that you come to an agreement it may not be perfect you may not be happy to sit down you go you take that agreement and. and you move forward and then you negotiate on something

else you know what you used to talk about come true still being meshes so you start with a very minimal say like iran can't you know retraces you radio and then you move on to something else and you talk about ballistic missiles and you come to look further agreement of the law on negotiations about ballistic missiles and there's always some to create a quid pro quo here what has happened in this case is this 2 things firstly i think there is huge anger within the united states about iraq and this goes back a long way all the way to the hostage crisis you know one $179.00 all the way also to the feeling that iran's some out has come out on top in iraq. anger is never a good that her exactly it's never a good counselor it's just seizures made in anger are always repents he did leisure

that's the 1st thing that's that's one problem the other is there is of course always within the united states an enormous amounts of internal domestic dynamics so obama goes one agreements trump of course who poses the republicans or get something which the democrats do there's always the sense of the united states that know that ministration is bound by what ever previous administration by another has done and that makes conducting to present a sea with the united states incredibly difficult the russians say that the united states is no longer agreements capable they use that expression it's actually the russian government talks about this and i'm afraid to rate the in the radiance must be thinking that will serve and that makes it incredibly difficult for these 2 countries now. which is so important for the stability of the middle east to move

forward to get to chief more understand the money reinforce greece and its rate and also support is really quite interesting is that before the assassination asylum money there were indications within the region to reach out to iran because of this deadlock here and then the united states that for a power gets in there and starts mentally again i mean the interesting thing is is that we know on record that iran's that that it will leave they cannot pull of a ration treaty and that's exactly what the trump administration and might come pay a want because then that is that then they they would say they have a legitimate response because iran has left this a treaty but iran won't do that because they know what the consequences would be i mean it's really interesting is when it's if you if you watch this closely you know what iran's position is and you know how it's going to react the actor that you don't understand you don't know how it's going to react is the united states

because pump ayos attempt to really shuffle the cards here and that is very dangerous yet i think that's a great point because it knows how to handle the situation they've been at the song and dance for many many decades they know what they're doing especially at such a high diplomatic level. came into office and i'm going to reference back our 1st segment on flynt because trump came into office and he was inexperienced i think going after iran even though it was a key campaign promise it was keep it wasn't the most important you know you had bill the wall all you had immigration you had other things that were taken priority trump came in and i think dealing with the rot was a mistake he should have left it once again for the 2nd term because he bit off more than he can chew he had people in place that were neo cons and are ideologically driven let's not forget playing god mcmasters in mcmasters got both in an even worse are going for him back. that to worst mcmasters to all that then

you have tom pale coupled with baltar and these 2 guys are running the show in north korea they're running the show in iran and they're advising trump. meanwhile trump has this whole russia gate ukraine gate impeachment everyone is going after him he should not have touched iran until the 2nd term this was a mistake and now he's boxed in and he's boxed in with a hole in the league you know needs to go the 2nd term because compeer can't handle the situations are better i mean alex was. in london i think one of the things that i've noticed and i've never really understood is that trump just seems to term and to unto everything that obama did he has i'm doing his legacy and you know as people know open this program and know me over the years i mean i do compliment the obama administration for this nucular do what they read because it lowered tensions in the region and i give credit where credit's due but it seems to me that the trump is just single minded because it's personal for him that he must undo obama's

legacy last 20 seconds go to you i think that there is a visceral issue 2 men a bummer trump dislike each other intensely and obviously that influences what trump does and i think also he was late along the way. in this fight with iran this is in tali driven by visceral considerations he had people there are many people in the united states don't like iran that's the trouble here but it's been always been a qadri problem surrounding himself with the wrong people it's all the time we have i want to thank my guests and in a go c.n.n. london i think our viewers are watching us here are to see you next time remember across. the world is driven by.

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