non-action are tense here we're going underground from arguably and for now the world epicenter of the global coronavirus pandemic later in the show we'll find out why the n.h.s. here in britain has to import lifesaving equipment for its health workers from communist china but now world renowned environmentalist an ecologist dr london a shiva should need no introduction she is one of the leaders of the international forum on globalization and has one countless prizes for her work a classic staying alive women of color gene development a shuttle for republication september she joins me now from delhi yvonne that i thank so much for you coming on to you at least please that the global pandemic has

not made politicians and policymakers talk about a war on nature the war is just on the coronavirus it's a problem to say you have a law against a little wireless because all the laws in the past have caused a lot of harm. coming from india the war against the barbarians we're all suppose we barbarians of you know of the civilizing mission it exterminated so many people and cultures my work in the last 35 years has been based on how declaring war on humans 1st in the interest concentration camps those same chemicals in the same i-g. father and the same boys are gone 10 then turn these chemicals into ever took since every chemicals which are still killing but they're not solving the problem of control of best they're creating new twists and i was also supposed to live in

factories this was your own 3 you get the mad cow disease you get to by degrees assistance again the bacteria are winning when you talk about a war against microbes the war against microbes in our god isn't the root of the entire chronic disease epidemic and there's all the scientific data showing the mortality with the corona infection is much higher when you have diabetes obesity cancer 10000000 people dying of cancer because of the poison the 10 millions are dying of diabetes because our entire health system is being destroyed you don't fight life you create harmony with life and it's in the bill it seemed to me harmony to create immunity to create resilience that is basically at the root of the militaristic mind losing every war against life well obviously big agriculture

big pharmaceutical companies and big oil they all deny that they have anything to do with creating disease but we do hear from press briefing say from downing street here in london or from the white house the fact that big multinational companies will be involved in our defense against coronavirus the. tell me about what you talk about in one lists your investigation of the origins of intellectual property and are you optimistic that there will be no payton to on any future vaccine against corona virus the 1st you know to work on patents is what led to me to create another and since saving and fighting against the illusion that corporations like monsanto are inventors of life and see just the employment of billions of years of nature's evolution thousands of years of farmers breeding that it's a machine that they invent the book oneness was as one percent grew out of the fact

that i witnessed at the paris summit on climate change that bill gates and mark zuckerberg was strutting around on the streets with heads of state and i said when didn't billionaires work and elected to start telling elected leaders what they should be doing so as we watch not just the bailouts going to the people who brought us the crisis the oil industry american nickel industry and big pharma are one they're not different the investment funds like blackrock and vanguard black rock true corona became control of assets of 23 trillion amazon pradelle just create a platform and destroys livelihoods every 2nd week they are trying to create new monopolies just in the last month 24000000000 additional well project because it was wired as the international labor organization is warning us we have

a pandemic of. and employment and as the fooled well foods program isn't pouring us we have a hunger pandemic saw the billionaires actually would like to trash humanity trash the planet and this thing without the basis without that which supports they point to me that they will continue to make trillions it's that illusion that i talk about in my book when this was the one percent it kid talking science but over there and their drugs wonder aids drugs next year there are corona drugs one day of it a bolo acces next to the corona vaccines the story of the corona later changes by the dea the treatment stories change by the and i think we need 'd a very large independent community of opinion largess medical people scientists to take stock of the many unscientific spins that have been given it's always

a sort of associated with the challenge of property rights for such drops that are not even an example attention deficit disorder among children is because of the bad that. definitions of micronutrients interest elements are arms made by it with the city provide more of those micronutrients which then allow your brain to function your $12.00 punch well obviously obviously we tell our viewers to consult their own medical practitioners and as for your criticism of a big oligarchy with their billions who are interviewed every other day it seems for their great information on coronavirus they would say no they're far from. being negatives they're feeding the bigger world they're creating the interconnectivity around the world and they are emblematic of progress quite the opposite of what you're saying white now does it just the facts and evidence of that than all the long distance of lines have lands what is still working our

local farms and community supported agriculture and links between the growers of food gloss the problem and still and the book oneness was one percent isn't how the so-called philanthropist actually philanthropy capitalists my book is analyzed every sector that has been shaped and driven by bill gates it was not gene dry still he started to finance it well it was. or 5 years ago there is pushing it is deregulating the european court of justice said it's a g.m. they're trying to have it declared not g.m. or all the instability of this gene try. the negative is coming out gene tries to push species to extinction can you imagine the mines the miners that would

imagine it has the power to engineer extinction i wish extinction rebellion what drives up against this deliberate extinction difficult arguments difficult to have a demonstration on at the moment but there is no direct evidence at the moment that the creation of monocultures by capitalism by greed directly created coronavirus surely we need that proof before big agriculture big mining big pharma have to pay for what in effect is deforestation and so on for creating coronavirus when we do know all the bias comes from a back that much we know i also have newspaper reports from india of all of the defense research years of china and the u.s.c. jointly came and pirated really that's in viruses from india in the not. so we do know there was a deliberate collection of these there are d.n.a.

similarities around 94 percent we don't know it came from about doing. no we didn't we do that it is then been modified how it's been modified is the uncertain but what's the modification is what is a defense lab is the way markets that's where the different stories start to get barely confusing we wouldn't have a swine flu without the monoculture plant tree farms we wouldn't have bird flu without moral culture factories you know you know that the big but the big fear of it is that it has ecology we know diversity is what creates a brig in the spread of disease and bess but it is evil to print h. more easily on vulnerable bodies vulnerable by a big maybe vulnerable by the poison and monocultures of the mind as i've called it is the inability to see how evil systems well the inability to see how

diversity is michael and i b b a b s the expert group will international of the convention on biological diversity is coming out with a report that without biting the student will have no help and i have put out a call on earth city to say there's one hell on one planet and it comes through biodiversity those bigger cultural firms that have an immense amount of money and lobby on k. street in washington and lobby here they will tell you that we had the black death we had great plagues we had epidemics pandemics where before capitalism started we had them during feudalism not because i'm not saying because the plea but i am saying that they have created of false system that has become the basis of chronic diseases and the emergence of new diseases 2nd even the

w w h are you absolutely worried about this pandemic what will the pandemic of diabetes and obesity. all of the u.s. needs are issuing and the was with tim's of the corona infection the black americans who either was with terms of pollution of the poison it's a bad food they were already put into what i call nutritional out of mind can you imagine the degradation of the human being if people in the richest country have to live in what is called deserts the died in a full desert is a recipe for obesity and diabetes and people with obesity and these are the worst victims 9.2 percent is the risk of dying if you have diabetes and the current added and it when the other risk is one percent i've got to tell you that here in this country riches are not the chancellor boris johnson chancellor was 1st to

quantitatively ease $645000000000.00 into the footsie stock market our entire pension system here in britain let alone in the united states is intertwined with the very companies you keep mentioning do you believe that all the pensions should be disavowed thing immediately from these massive agriculture companies. well 1st of may is made. its turn to remember that workers have rights including the rights to their pensions they have a right to decide how that money will be spent to create subsidies for those who are destroying the planet destroying our health destroying our livelihoods or you was to be able to recover after this pandemic which is not one pandemic it is a 100 pandemic it is a livelihood pandemic of course it's a corona pandemic which is occurring in disease fed a pandemic and my big worry is as you lock people into their houses and as amazon

is given through them to deliver every ad of amazon that comes on my. computer is junk food packaged food. and is not what we're supposed to eat this should be clear to you the mission of the workers of our pension funds and they should be taking for mission of the 16 trillion microbes in our gut i think we are in a time where we need a democratic debate about the use of our money. aneel replete many of the commons including ringback our public health systems which is what it seemed to people in this crisis not the private for profit system the robber barons of today are tech barons but they're still robber barons and as they say they dieter is the new lawyer it's still an oil and it's still extracted from our minds and the whole thing from our bodies with under the skin a surveillance systems being treat it created this is a moment for people to become more deeply democratic and not allow the lockdown

to be a lockdown the timelines the lockdown of our freedom of thinking the lockdown of hostile it at it talk of underachiever i'll stop you there more from the world renowned environmentalist after the short break plus after tens of thousands dead how did the n.h.s. europe's largest employer go for many factoring lifesaving p.p.a. to begin communist china for it.

we go to work. street whole. show for seemed wrong but all roles just don't hold. the world to get to shape our disdain for conflict educate and in games from an equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground in. welcome back we'll be talking about n.h.s. shortages later in the show but i'm still here with world renowned environmentalist talk of a shiva we would say here in britain at least some of us that we have democracy we have the european union the european parliament we have these big trade blocs we have w t o organizations with democratically accountable representatives you believe however

that fundamentally to our denying of the precautionary principle which is now of course being investigated in the context of coronavirus these are fundamental to the denial of the precautionary principle that has led us to this i think sadly the exodus was driven by the denial of the proper course principle i witnessed how it was the european union laws and biosafety that was seen as coming in the we of the g.m. will issue and a democracy which has been hijacked by big money and the billions. it's no more a democracy it is just at the start for a dictatorship and today we have a dictatorship of money which is able to totally trash people's will people's freedom that is what we have to wake up to right now people are talking

about the vaccine the urgent need for a vaccine so that specially ironically the developed nations of the united states of the united kingdom can get out of the mess that it finds itself in how can we stop ourselves from having to rely on big pharma doing research that actually threatens bio safety food safety. epidemiology itself i think 1st of all we do need democracy and i will cities knowledge the 2nd is those who make money out of investments in a particular treatment of any kind this should not be a decision makers this should not be allowed to come and talk to presidents and prime ministers because it is a conflict of interests to institutions that often talk to prime ministers and presidents of the world bank and the international monetary fund do you believe that at least this pandemic means they will be less able to tell the leaders of the

global south to privatized their health care systems what health care systems they have after the global pandemic the hind behind insurance then how i need behind bailouts if you know world bank and i.m.f. are already getting ready and there's not a single time where world bank and i.m.f. have given money without a structural adjustment package behind it in 1981 it was a $90000000000.00 crisis we had when world bank pushed the privatization of the seeds and that is what destroyed our agriculture that is what created refugees most of indians were farmers that refugee status is today in the migrant labor half of india. works as to carry sleeper all in and they have no work they are today's hungry people so you know the greed of the money machine as i call it in my book

one this was one percent on which the i.m.f. the world bank the damage to your rules the beginners who really gain out of this the now thinking of how do you how can you mind the dieter the bodily activity of human beings and then sell back lintas of the lands that is what people who have a passion for freedom and a passion for life should be looking at well the government here wants everyone to download an application to help people from coronavirus and surely bill gates has children and boris johnson here in london has just had another child why do you believe they would be apart of mass surveillance not only math surveillance but the distorting and manipulating of research around say pandemics like coronavirus so if you think of 2019 we could call 29000 the expression of people's food everywhere in the world from cheerleader lebanon everywhere

people were out on the streets calling for a change in the political and economic system when you create your wealth through test and people free people have the possibility to writings you're not just afraid of life because life can serve organize it really well you're afraid of people what they don't learn is you cannot shut down treat. even a blade of grass knows how to break through the concrete and we have to become blades of grass well i'm not sure what the low birthrate say to that i've got a mention actually a documentary produced by michael moore directed by jeff gibbs that was released for free on the internet on earth today your eat it you're in the documentary come under a lot of criticism because it seemed to say that the so-called new green technologies

you mention blackrock earlier and of course pension funds heavily invested in brand new green technologies for profit it seemed to cast doubt on wind power solar power and the way these technologies are created and whether they actually do help the environment at all i have learned to do full cost accounting to not call all the appearances but to call the hand. so we were always told industrial food is cheap it is feeding the work saw i started to do the full cost accounting and found that this trillions and trillions of dollars dollars of chandel in unmonitored destruction made of this destruction struction a farmers and destruction well when we add all that together we will realize that we were not of poor industrial food pushed by the old boys and cartel and be gone if you take biofuel give me 2 look like it's very efficient in fact that in the european union we had big debates in the parliament where they were giving big

subsidies might feel diverting fuld to feel but it takes not forsooth you do produce biofuels and it substitutes just finally then since you mention accountancy in a sense you believe something as basic as farm yield now and different types of statistics that accountants use should now or should now put in one column the cost because of coronavirus all definitely and i'm not talking about. county i'm talking about oddity in the full cost benefit and you know when as if a plan has been pushed into the chemical track and this is. my money i say let's sit and do the door total accounting costs and benefits and then they realize they're losing out their debt or 100000 farmers so say the 2 principles that came out of the earth summit and i had the privilege to be there the precautionary principle and the polluter should we measure nutrition we measure health and our

work with the real farmers and true cost accounting assuring that we could feed 2 times in the u.s. population there's an amazing our home that is definitely more powerful than a bill some of jeffries of the really little little creatures don't understand they're in significance in the largest or. we invited them both on dr venter shiva thank you. that banking. well while boris johnson the government stands accused of overseeing the underreporting of the u.k. coronavirus death toll the numbers of health workers killed have been tragically clear but why is the n.h.s. find it so difficult to get basic protection for its workers the n.h.s. europe's largest employer now depends on communist china even though a global pandemic was rehearsed for back into any 16 i'm joined now via skype from london by the co-chair of keep our n.h.s. public dr tony solomon tony thanks for coming on before we get on to other issues

fundamentally how is it that not keeping our n.h.s. public as a factor of britain's response to coronavirus because that whole service with this 1700000 people a single. protects the. and this is being undermined in the worries it isn't just senators and zeeshan the government is seriously understand that the n.h.s. so that it's always on depression is always on the sunders they haven't seen the stance that it's huge numbers and sequences that they don't and that's equipments and all of those things which make a mountain to be clear this is under successive administrations tony blair john major cameron and of course main boris johnson why is it that on the front line doctors and nurses have to have to get personal protection equipment from private providers given the n.h.s. is the largest employer in europe or the what exactly is the story behind the fact

the n.h.s. cannot produce its own protective equipment for its own staff well beyond behinds this is really serious failure to protect the top of the testing and continent facing and to present it and some nonsense any chance it stands in terms and so on behind us is this only do you. that's. tribe it is better than public and the government should not be investing so much money in public services the n.h.s. in the past used to secure it it's only equipments and make its own equipment to a certain degree of those that can't produce everything there is no reason on earth why aren't the n.h.s. could not be confusing essential equipment such as generic drugs and such a man's personal protective equipment and he should be doing so we are going to

complain to a return to of sleep public national fully provided fully funded health services and we will also be for that actually be extended to the cursor this year i haven't even talked about the care service but of course drugs are suddenly discovered socialism in the n.h.s. surely cannot be his fault after all as regards this inability to procure equipment for as i say the largest employer in europe and not one politician administrative and doctor. shop nursing management person in the n.h.s. even a sense exercise cygnus when they simulated a pandemic thought oh we probably need some kind of a protection equipment for nurses porters cleaners in the health service of the a lot of those who was involved in the. will to publish the timings of exercise sickness in 2016 if there were voices indeed

raised the need for a national supply in preparation for such an agency of personal protective equipment the recognition that there were insufficient barriers such a pandemic and specifically the lack of sentences out you know about this given that information is classified and top secret there's intimation that seen at least 20 to the cancer but the. the universal retort is it's not available so why that why are they doing on time until they're doing that because that shows them in a very polarized and ari who challenge the suggestion that boris johnson has discovered socialism but what they need to do is realize that a nation in peril. and part of the world or us to use collective measures and put the public service and the private interests just

finally on the issue of secrecy i'm not sure if this is because a simon stevens who is the the boss of n.h.s. england who has a prior career at a scandal head us private health care for what do you make of the fact that n.h.s. staff are right now being threatened with disciplinary action for talking to the media for even tweeting about shortages of lifesaving equipment and hand problems on the front line in britain's response to coronavirus i think it is absolutely disgraceful. bullying comes to come from the top to this country top government and top of the n.h.s. england and then it goes down to managerial level in regions and the trust the fact that they might be punished for raising seriously responsible issues is it isn't dispraise and i think this that whole political agenda that has been shown to be bankrupt if we learn one huge thing of benefit from this to

a virus is that the near liberal agenda has that's who the world and so people i know some stevens of the or the agents of change saw such an ideology and it has to start. dr tanya sullivan thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday to speak to former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powers about how we can change the world from societal nudges to political mandates until then wash your hands keep in touch by social media and don't forget to join the other guy but you tube twitter it's a crime and facebook. the world is driven by shaped by one person.

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