is from communist china but now world renowned environmentalist an ecologist dr london a she should need no introduction she is one of the leaders of the international forum on globalization and as one countless prizes for her work a classic staying alive women ecology and development is scheduled for republication september she joins me now from delhi vandar thanks so much for coming on to you at least please that the global pandemic has not made politicians and policy makers talk about a war on nature the war is just on the coronavirus it's a problem to say you have a law against it into wireless because all the laws in the past have caused a lot of harm. coming from india the war against the barbarians we're all suppose we barbarians of you know of the civilizing mission it exterminated so many people and cultures my work in the last 35 years has been based on how declaring war on humans 1st in italy as concentration camps those same chemicals in

the same i-g. father and the same boys are gone 10 then turn these chemicals into ever took since every chemicals which are still killing but they're not solving the problem of control of best they're creating new tests and was also supposed to live in factories that it was your own 3 you get the mad cow disease you get to by degrees assistance again the bacteria are winning when you talk about a war against microbes the war against my groups you know god isn't the root of the entire chronic disease epidemic and there's all the scientific data showing the mortality with the corona infection is much higher when you have diabetes obesity cancer 10000000 people dying of cancer because of the poison the 10 millions are dying of diabetes because our entire health system is being destroyed

you don't fight life you create harmony with life and it's in the bill it seemed to me harmony to create immunity to create resilience that is basically at the root of the militaristic mind losing every war against life well obviously big agriculture big pharmaceutical companies and big oil they all deny that they have anything to do with creating disease but we do hear from press briefing say from downing street here in london or from the white house the fact that big multinational companies will be involved in our defense against coronavirus this. tell me about what you talk about in one this your investigation of the origins of intellectual property and are you optimistic that there will be no payton to on any future vaccine against corona virus the 1st you know to work on patents is what led to me to

create another and since saving and fighting against the illusion that corporations like monsanto are inventors of life and see just the employment of billions of years of nature's evidence and thousands of years of farmers breeding that it's a machine that the events the book oneness was as one percent grew out of the fact that i witnessed the paris summit on climate change that bill gates and mark zuckerberg was strutting around on the street with heads of state and i said when didn't billionaires work under elected start telling elected leaders what they should be doing so as we watch not just the bailouts going to the people who brought us the crisis the oil industry american nickel industry and big pharma are one they're not different the investment funds like blackrock and vanguard blackrock true corona became control of assets of 23

trillion amazon pradelle just create a platform and destroys livelihoods every 2nd week they're trying to create new monopolies just in the last month 24000000000 additional well project because it was wired as the international labor organization is warning us we have a pandemic of. and employment and as the fooled well goods program is a thought when us we have a hunger pandemic so all the billionaires actually would like to trash humanity trash the planet and this thing without the basis without that which supports they point to me that they will continue to make trillions it's that illusion that i talk about in rebel one as well as the one percent the kid talking science but overload their drugs wonder aids drugs next year there are corona drugs one day of it

a bolo acces next to their corona maxine's the story of the corrosive changes by the dea the treatment stories changed by the dea and i think we need 'd a very large independent community of opinion largess medical people scientists to take stock of the many unscientific spins that have been given it's always a sort of associated with the challenge of property rights for such drops that are not even an example attention deficit disorder among children is because of the bad that definitions of micronutrients interests elements. after arms made by it with the city provide more of those micronutrients which then allow your brain to function your 12 punch well obviously obviously we tell our viewers to consult their own medical practitioners and as for your criticism of a big oligarchy with their billions who are interviewed every other day it seems

for their great information on coronavirus they would say no they're far from. being negatives they're feeding the bigger world they're creating the interconnectivity around the world and they are emblematic of progress quite the opposite of what you're saying white now does it just the facts and evidence of that than all the long distance of line chains have lands what is still working our local farms and community supported agriculture and links between the growers of food of course the problem is the land of the my book oneness was one percent isn't how the so-called philanthropist actually philanthropy capitalists my book is analyzed every sector that has been shaped and driven by bill gates there was no gene dry still he started to finance it it was.

45 years ago there is pushing it is deregulating the european court of justice said it's a g.m. they're trying to have it declared and not g.m. or all the instability of this gene try. you know getting is coming up gene tries to push species to extinction can you imagine the mines the miners that would imagine it has the power to engineer extinction i wish extinction rebellion what drives up against this deliberate extinction difficult arguments difficult to have a demonstration on at the moment but there is no direct evidence at the moment that the creation of monocultures by capitalism by greed directly created coronavirus surely we need that proof before big agriculture big mining big pharma have to pay for what in effect is deforestation and so on for creating coronavirus when we do know that the bias comes from

a back that much we know i also have newspaper reports from india hold all of the defense research years of china and the u.s.c. jointly came and pirated really that's in viruses from india in the not. so we do know there was a deliberate collection of these there are d.n.a. similarities around 94 percent we don't know it came from about doing. no we do we do that it is then been modified how it's been modified is the uncertain but what's the modification is what is a defense lab is the way markets that's where the different stories start to get bernie confusing we wouldn't have a swine flu without the monoculture factory farms we wouldn't have bird flu without moral culture factories you know you know that the big but the big fear of it is that it as ecology we know diversity is what creates

a brig in the spread of disease and bess but it is evil to print h. more easily on vulnerable bodies vulnerable by big men vulnerable by the poison and monocultures of the mind as i've called it is the inability to see how evil systems well the inability to see how diversity is vital the i p b a b s the expert group will international of the convention on biological diversity is coming out with a report that without biting the student will have no help and i have put out a call on earth city to say there's one hell on one planet and it comes through biodiversity those bigger cultural firms that have an immense amount of money and lobby on k. street in washington and lobby here they will tell you that we have the black death we had great plagues we had epidemics pandemics where before capitalism started we

had them during feudalism not because i'm not saying because the plea but i am saying that they have created of false system that has become the basis of chronic diseases and the emergence of new diseases 2nd even the w w h are you absolutely worried about this pandemic what will the pandemic of diabetes and obesity. all of the u.s. needs are issuing and the was with tims of the corona infection are the black americans who either was with germs of pollution of the poison it's a bad food they were already put into what i call a nutritional out of mind can you imagine the degradation of the human being if people in the richest country have to live in what is called deserts the died in

a full desert is a recipe for obesity and diabetes and people with obesity and these are the worst victims 9.2 percent is the risk of dying if you have diabetes and the current habit and it when the other risk is one percent i've got to tell you that here in this country riches are not the chancellor boris johnson chancellor was 1st to quantitatively ease $645000000000.00 into the footsie stock market our entire pension system here in britain let alone in the united states is intertwined with the very companies you keep mentioning do you believe that all the pensions should be disavowed thing immediately from these massive agriculture companies. well 1st of may is made. it's time to remember that workers have rights including the rights to their pensions they have a right to decide how that money will be spent to create subsidies for those who

are destroying the planet destroying our health destroying our livelihoods or yours to be able to recover after this pandemic which is not one pandemic it is a 100 pandemic it is a livelihood pandemic of course it's a corona pandemic which is occurring in disease fed a pandemic and my big worry is as you lock people into their houses and as amazon has given 3 of them to deliver every ad of amazon that comes on my computer is junk food packaged food. and is not will be a supposed to eat this should be clear if you commission all the workers of our pension funds and they should be taking for mission of the 16 trillion microbes in our gut i think we are in a time where we need a democratic debate about the use of our money. a new cleaning of the commons including ringback the public health systems which is what just see people in this crisis not the private for profit system the robber barons of today

i take that as but there's still room a balance as they say big data is the new lawyer it's still an oil and still extracted from a mind and the whole picture from our bodies with under the skin surveillance systems being treat it created this is a moment for people to become more deeply democratic and not allow the lot down to be a lot down the hall mines the lockdown of our freedom. the lockdown the hospital it talk of on the machine or i'll stop you there more from the world renowned environmentalist after the short break plus after tens of thousands dead how did the n.h.s. europe's largest employer go from manufacturing lifesaving p.p. to begin calling this china for it. the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person or those great. day

or things. we dare to ask. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.

welcome back we'll be talking about n.h.s. shortages later in the show but i'm still here with world renowned environmentalist dr one of the shiva we would say here in britain at least some of us that we have democracy we have the european union the european parliament we have these big trade blocs we have w t o organizations with democratically accountable representatives you believe however that fundamentally to our denying of the precautionary principle which is now of course being investigated in the context of coronavirus these are fundamental to the denial of the precautionary principle that has led us to this i think sadly the direction it was driven by the denial of the proper course principle i witnessed how we towards the european union laws and biosafety that was seen as coming in the we of the g.m. will issue and a democracy which has been hijacked by big money and the billions.

it's no more a democracy it is just at the start for a dictatorship and today we have a dictatorship of money which is able to totally trash people's will people's freedom that is what we have to wake up to right now people are talking about the vaccine the urgent need for a vaccine so that specially ironically the developed nations of the united states of the united kingdom can get out of the mess that it finds itself in how can we stop ourselves from having to rely on big pharma doing research that actually threatens bio safety food safety. epidemiology itself i think 1st of all we do need democracy and diversity knowledge the 2nd is those who make money out of investments in a particular treatment of any kind this should not be a decision makers this should not be allowed to come and talk to presidents and

prime ministers because it is a conflict of interests to institutions that often talk to prime ministers and presidents of the world bank of the international monetary fund do you believe that at least this pandemic means they will be less able to tell the leaders of the global south to privatized their health care systems what health care systems they have after the global pandemic the hind behind insurance then how i did behind bailouts if you know world bank and i.m.f. are already getting ready and there's not a single time where world bank and i.m.f. have given money without a structural adjustment package behind it in 1981 it was a $90000000000.00 crisis we had when world bank pushed the privatization of the seeds and that is what destroyed our agriculture that is what created refugees most indians were farmers that refugee status is today in the migrant labor half

of india. works as to carry sleeper all in and they have no work there are today's hungry people so you know the greed of the money machine as i call it in my book when this was sent over which the i.m.f. the world bank the value to your rules the billionaires who really gain out of this they're now thinking of how do you mine the minds of people that's what this book does when it says the answer to cambridge analytical how can you mind the data the body activity of human beings and then sell back lintas of the lands that is what people who have a passion for freedom and a passion for life should be looking at well the government here wants everyone to download an application to help people from coronavirus and surely bill gates has children and boris johnson here in london has just had another child why do you believe they would be

a part of mass surveillance not only math surveillance but the distorting and manipulating of research around say pandemics like coronavirus so if you think of 2019 we could call 29000 the expression of people's food everywhere in the world from cheerleader lebanon everywhere people were out on the streets calling for a change in the political and economic system when you create your wealth through test and people free people have the possibility to rafiki's you're not just afraid of life because life can sell balkanize it really well you're afraid of people what they don't learn is you cannot shut down treat. even a blade of grass knows how to break through the concrete and we have to become

blades of grass well i'm not sure what the low birthrate say to that i've got to mention actually a documentary produced by michael moore directed by jeff gibbs that was released for free on the internet on earth today your it it you're in the documentary come under a lot of criticism because it seemed to say that the so-called new green technologies you mentioned black rock earlier and of course pension funds heavily invested in brand new green technologies for profit it seemed to cast doubt on wind power solar power and the way these technologies are created and whether they actually do help the environment at all i have learnt to do full cost accounting do not call all the appearances but all the hands. so we were always told induction food is cheap it is feeding the work saw i started to do the full cost accounting and found that this trillions and trillions of dollars dollars of channel in money into destruction made of us destruction struction of farmers and

destruction of our health when we add all that together we will realize that we were not of poor industrial food pushed by the old boys and cartel and began if you take biofuel give me 2 look like it's very efficient inside that in the european union we had big debates in the parliament where they were getting big subsidies for buying fuel diverting fuld to feel but it takes not force to field to produce biofuels and it substitutes just finally then since you mentioned accountancy in a sense you believe something as basic as farm yield now and different types of statistics that accountant fears should know or should now put in one column the cost because of coronavirus or definitely and i'm not talking about accounting i'm talking about auditing in the full cost benefit and you know it as if

a promise has been pushed into the chemical track and this is. more money so let's sit and do the total accounting costs and benefits and then they realize they're losing out their debt or 100000 farmers so say the 2 principles that came out of the summit and i had the privilege to be the precautionary principle and the polluter should we measure nutrition we measure health and our work with the real farmers and true cost accounting is showing that we could feed $2.00 times in the u.s. population there's an amazing arc of that is definitely more powerful than a bill and the jeffries was the really little little creature don't understand the in significance in the law just hours we invite them both on dr van that i shave i think you're. that think it. well while boris johnson the government stands accused of overseeing the underreporting of the u.k. coronavirus death toll the numbers of health workers killed have been tragically

clear but why is the n.h.s. find it so difficult to get basic protection for its workers the n.h.s. europe's largest employer now depends on communist china even though a global pandemic was rehearsed for back into any 16 i'm joined now via skype from london by the co-chair of keep our n.h.s. public dr tony solomon tony thanks for coming on before we get on to other issues fundamentally how is it that not keeping our n.h.s. public as a factor of britain's response to coronavirus because that whole service with this 1700000 people a single. protects the public. and this is being undermined in the ways it isn't just senators and zeeshan the government is seriously understand that the n.h.s. so that it's always the under pressure is always on the sunders they haven't seen the stance that it's huge numbers and sequences they don't and that's equipments

and all of those things which make a mountain to be clear this is under successive administrations tony blair john major cameron and of course main boris johnson why is it that on the front line doctors and nurses have to have to get personal protection equipment from private providers given the n.h.s. is the largest employer in europe and what exactly is the story behind the fact the n.h.s. cannot produce its own protective equipment for its own staff well being behind this really serious failure to protect its top that it was testing and continent facing and to present it and some nonsense and the chance stands in terms and so on behind us is this only do you. that's. tribe it is better than public and the government should not be investing so much money in public services the

n.h.s. in the past used to treat your it's only equipment and make it's own equipment to a certain degree of as it can't produce everything there is no reason on earth want the n.h.s. could not be confusing essential equipment such as generic drugs and such terms personal protective equipment and he should be doing so we are going to contain a return to asleep public national fully provided fully funded health services and we will also be for that actually be extended to the cursors i haven't even talked about the care service but of course drugs are suddenly discovered socialism in the n.h.s. surely it cannot be his fault after all as regards this inability to procure equipment for as i say the largest employer in the europe and not one politician an administrator and doctor. shop nursing management person in the n.h.s.

even a sense exercise sickness when they simulated a pandemic thought oh we probably need some kind of a protection equipment for nurses and porters cleaners in the health service or that a lot of those who was involved in the. will to publish the timings of exercise sickness in 2016 if there were voices indeed raised the need saw a national supply in preparation for such an agency of personal protective equipment the recognition that there were insufficient barriers such a pandemic and specifically the lack of sentences out you know about this given that information is classified and top secret that intimation has been least 22 that the cancer but the. the universal returns is not available so why that why are they doing on time until you go doing that because that shows them in a very cool our heads and ari who challenge the suggestion that boris

johnson has discovered socialism but what they need to do is realize that a nation in peril. and part of the world or us to use collective measures and put public service and not private interests just finally on the issue of secrecy i'm not sure if this is because a simon stevens who is there the boss of n.h.s. england who has a prior career at a scandal head tell us private healthcare for what do you make of the fact that n.h.s. staff are right now being threatened with disciplinary action for talking to the media for even tweeting about shortages of lifesaving equipment and hand problems on the front line in britain's response to coronavirus i think it is absolutely disgraceful it is a bullying comes that has come through the talks and it's come to top government

and top of the nature scene and and then it goes down to $10.00 in the regions and the trusts the fact that they might be punished for raising seriously responsible issues is it isn't disgrace and i think this that whole political agenda that has been shown to be bankrupt if we learn one huge thing of benefit from this turn of virus is that the near liberal agenda has mets who the world and so people like no sun stevens or the or the agents of change saw such an ideology and it has to start. dr tanya solomon thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday to speak to former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powers has been about how we can change the world from societal nudges to political mandates until then wash your hands keep in touch by social media and don't forget to join the undergarment you tube twitter sound cloud instagram and facebook.

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welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is an hour to u.k. . government plans to reopen the british economy could include business is staggering ship banning hot desking and providing protective kids when social distancing isn't an option. the prime minister calls on the global community to help fund research into a coronavirus vaccine that's as the 1st minister of scotland publishes plans to test track and trace ahead of the u.k. wind announcement in just a few hours from now. we can fix founder julian assange has his extradition face pushed back to september keeping him behind bars for over 18 months we'll hear from larry love who what he's owed us extradition case back in 2018. and so this

final year primary school children could be the 1st to return to the classroom at the beginning of the june as teachers and unions caution that it could be too soon i'll be talking to a scientist specializing in children's health. the government's plan to reopen the british economy could mean companies making sweeping changes to workplaces that's as the prime minister calls on the global community to help fund research into a covert 900 vaccine as britain looks set to ramp up testing tracking and tracing of cases because he's and he joins me now with the latest. the deaths continue to 4 and the focus is now on how companies can safely reopen. absolutely yes that death toll dropping significantly today with those figures being released by the

government of 229 people having sadly lost their lives in the most recent 24 hour period in hospitals after having tested positive for coded 19 now those figures 229 may go some way to encourage in the government giving them some kind of confidence that encouragement to go forward and to believe that the country's over the peak of the crisis at least the 1st peek of the crisis and to try to lead the way forward towards a road map and that would show us the way out of the locked out and where expecting boris johnson to give a speech to the country possibly this coming weekend where he will announce some of those measures that for example businesses can take but we could have a look at some of the draft government reports suggestions or recommendation now one of those recommendations is staggering shift times in order to reduce the

amount of people in an office at the same time the report also mentions a ban on hot desking where employees routinely move desks within a workplace social distancing measures will still be in effect in workplaces meaning employees having to keep it to meet a distance at all time however it's also said the government recognizes this may not be possible for all businesses and all employees and so p.v. would need to be provided to start members as well as of course hand sanitizer caps even protective screens now an issue with that last one of course is that if companies are start buying up p.p. for their employees that could put an even in creating even more increased strain on the n.h.s. as they try to develop and to source that p.p.p. and. boris johnson the prime minister really ready to update the country as to what

he feels the latest developments are. to win this battle but we must work together to build an impregnable shield around all our people. and that can only be achieved by developing and mass producing a vaccine the more we pull together and share our expertise the faster our scientists will succeed and these are the 1st minister scotland has preempted the government yet again yes subset of the stir. was released to exit last week and really took a step ahead of the government there were expected. apologies and stretching and cock and to announce the u.k.'s version of the track and trace trial of the kind of that they'll be using to do that but scotland

militarist as a confirming that they'd already going to had done that they are a step ahead of the government and leading really to study with the government with the public to do that part with the rollout of that technology today i want to outlane what will be a key part of the approach we take when we have sufficiently suppressed the vitus and are able to start moving into the next phase and that is called the taste treece isolate approach or. for short a test trace a silly approach will only work if you the public are willing to do. so it's really important to start building your knowledge of and cornfed and send such an approach now that's part of that good up conversation you know that i'm keen to have. now there have been concerns raised over that type of tracking trace technology these kind of contact tracing apps and it comes as over 270 cyber security

experts written a joint statement calling on the government to reconsider their use or the type of technology they are using for this app because they fear it could be used to survey people going beyond the end of the corona virus crisis elsewhere we saw over the weekend protests taking place outside scotland yard the police the metropolitan police headquarters in central london and they were not protest anyway breaking all the social distancing rules that have been put out there with slogans such as hug someone save lives there are also some people protest forwarding theories that the growth of virus crisis is linked to the rollout of 5 g. technology a theory which hasn't received any type of scientific backing from experts thus far and so the government say anyway that the type of this this information could

hinder the fight against the corona virus. he said thank you very much indeed for all of that either now let's turn then to the latest coronavirus figures as they emerge from the u.k.'s home nations the u.k. why death toll has passed 28600 that's n.h.s. england has revealed a further 204 deaths these scottish 1st minister has announced 5 more in scotland since some day northern ireland has reported 6 more and wales 14. well for a global picture here is the latest and over 3 and a half 1000000 have been infected now and this is according to johns hopkins university in the us it collects world wide data nearly a quarter of a 1000000 people have lost their lives and over 1100000 now recovered

or the figures come as hundreds joined protests across the u.s. over the weekend to demand the reopening of the economy says white america registering the most confirmed cases in the world now starting at over $1100000.00 meanwhile italy began tentative steps in lifting its own lockdown and spending 2 months under the most severe restrictions attorneys cannot exercise outdoors visit relatives within that region industries such as manufacturing and construction have restarted. pubs and restaurant owners have joined forces to take legal action against insurers who refused to cover the losses incurred jus to the lock down. they claim insurers are trying to get out of paying claims leading many businesses to the bank of 2 i should say the brink of bankruptcy hospitality. industry is likely to be among the last to reopen once

a lockdown measures are lifted leaving many to fear the long closure will lead them to close their doors for good law firm in the red thinks that the businesses do have a strong claim in times of crisis they expect their insurance to respond yes i'm hearing time and time again that insurers that either stonewalling on a fairly limiting or simply point blank refusing to pay out and a business interruption policies insurance does cover physical damage forced closures including those due to disease whatever they only cover some illnesses businesses claim some insurance companies have simply ignored some claims made in recent weeks insurers however are insisting that an international pandemic is not covered by business interruption policies while underwriters claim that losses are impossible to cover without government backing in this case well for

more on this all be joined by a business owner and a campaigner in a couple of hours from now. we can leaks founder julian assange has had his extradition case moved to september it means the publisher will have spent more than 18 months in london's belmarsh prison the week of each publisher is fighting extradition to the united states. well are for more or less i'm now joined by a computer scientists who successfully appealed his own u.s. extradition case larry love larry thank you for being with us now you've been through a very similar process of course but assad has been waiting far longer than needed . yes well i mean when it comes around to the actual hearing you be over 18 months and he's had to spend that time detained in prison not just any prison but belmarsh one of the i security prisons in the this horrific place to be and it also is it is what is ability to meaningfully participate in his defense which calls into

question whether the justice can act in this case what do you think is going through at the moment mentally that is. try and experience it was. that the entire process was characterized by the fear in the uncertainty of not knowing what your future holds whether indeed you have any future. and for my very brief experience when i was in prisons it was exasperated even further because you're no longer treated as a person you treat it sucks human as an animal worse than any animal should be treated and. being cut off from the world especially when you're someone who is used to being able to communicate with a lot of you has it needs to to access lawyers and to access campaigners and journalists and all of this is intern ite under the best editions and it's now even worst coronavirus meaning that there are no prison visitations and indeed. mr towns hasn't been able to access to lawyers in the preparation of the case

hearings and so it is it is reported who is in poor health of the moment of course this is something you didn't have to face and that is he is looking at the risk of perhaps getting the the virus while inside jail yes i mean we we do not have a death sentence in this country a very good reason but prisons are not place where they can be very well contained . had already been tested will sit in the prison system including possibly in belmarsh and there every day that he's there are necessarily and to the detriment of his health. killed in the prison which would not only deny him access to justice it would tonight the. very notion of there being justice administered in this case who talked about the legal support and of course you are able to get more involved in your defense than sanchez being allowed to. yes yes so it's very important that it is meaningfully able to is a medic and. otherwise it's not really. justice in any meaningful sense

and in a complex case like this where there are large amounts additional evidence it's just not possible to do this without access to computers about access to information and now not even with access to lawyers and we've already seen that the cia used spies to compromise privilege conversations with his lawyers so it's very hard and considered that that any of the principles of justice. but the fact is though courts are still running on a and so in some ways a you'd think they could have actually fast tracked this case. yes i mean it's difficult they they now have to find another venue there are other there are other problems due to the fact there is a lot of very legitimate interest in this case and there are observers from nation states from non-governmental organizations who are mad because the groups you need to be able to watch this is justice cannot be done behind closed doors and so much

hangs in the balance so you're concerned actually that this is going on behind closed doors and he won't actually get a fair hearing here and of course what happens to him if he is exadata to the u.s. surely by that stage the world will be looking that case so he can be assured of some transparency and support in that respect because while he's here in the u.k. you think that's being denied that these things are going on behind things which people aren't knowing about it yes it's absolutely vital that this is done transparently and openly and so that people can participate from the public and observe and i think it doesn't really stand a chance of justice if he is actually as united states it will be result here most likely in the courts ills but in order for that to be done correctly the initial hearing has to be functional enough and that means that mr sands nice to be able to to be involved and this is increasingly hard to do that will be detained laurie thank you very much and david time laurie lath. well look for more on this we can

go live to. prison. a little more about why he. is being forced to wait till september. what essentially it seems as though coronavirus crisis has put the brakes on plenty within the judicial system in the case of judas and his extradition hearing is no exception and will be as you just push back until september now the initial hearing was supposed to happen on may 18th in just a few weeks' time but the district judge had said at the time that really is being pushed by both is and concerns that you're innocent and his lawyers will not be able to be physically present but what it does mean for the wiki leaks founder is that he will essentially by that point be holed up here at the belmarsh prison until september without trial without charge and essentially without even presenting any evidence to the court system not genocide just said she is on the

brink of being extradited to the united states in fact they want him for 17 indictments under the espionage act essentially they want him to face trial for spying and publishing classified documents all relating to the war in iraq and afghanistan plus one conspiracy to hack government computers to publish these secret documents now if he is found guilty over in the united states he would be convicted and sentenced to up to 175 years in prison but of course the kinds of journalists aren't really were stored back into the public here in the united kingdom last year and he was dramatically and infamous to be called outside ecuadorian embassy by british police he was that almost 7 years of seeking political asylum that he then began to serve a 50 week sentence here prison the skipping battle back in 2012 now along the way his supporters on campaign is have been incredibly concerned. about his health we

know he's been in and out of the medical wards here at belmarsh there's been allegations of torture along the way but right now right now one of the crucial concerns is that he could his life could be at risk due to the coronavirus crisis and that fundamentally is why the judge has decided to push back due to this current climate of private 19 already putting a break in the judicial system having said that yes coronavirus crisis has seen many tools quote those shutting that tools but not entirely so in fact the justice minister just earlier today saying that's still around 50 percent of previous work still going ahead so campaigners would argue that julian assange just case should be brought to the priority list should be at the top of that priority list but at last it seems as though this indefinite imprisonment judas song will continue throughout the summer shut thank you very much indeed for that's still to come this u.k. the government could use 6 people's private schools that is choosing to help use

their transition into secondary education but usually it's too soon i'll be joined by an expert in children's health care issues.

join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports i'm showbusiness i'll see that. britain could see some classrooms reopened as early as next month despite safety

concerns from teachers and unions. according to draft plans the governor is hoping to send a year 6 children aged between $10.11 back to school on or around june the 1st that's just staffed the half term holiday the scientific advisory group apparently focused on them to help ease their transition to secondary school the government could then allow the other primary school years back and then it would be 2nd to schools where 10 and 12 year olds could return they are in their 1st year of g.c.s.e. and a levels with exams for next summer when children have been deemed low risk but schools closed amid concerns about them spreading the virus between health holds and school staff however it was reported that a small number of children have been treated for experiencing a severe immune reaction that could be coded related currently in the the children of some key workers are continuing to attend school and teachers representatives believe it's still too early to consider changing that policy. while we all want to

see a return to some sort of normality there any you believe is really premature to talk about june return date instead the government should be providing evidence about how this can be say how many more fatalities would we expect to see among school stuff and parents and how these can be prevented or minimized well to discuss this further i'm not joined by professor joy lorn from the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine joy thank you very much indeed for being with us now the risk to children is very small is it not so it is time for them to gradually return to school. yes indeed from what we know children do get they same section but them not tell if the risk is much lower. but if the balance of risk said a balance. direct risk to children but also to their parents and teachers and so on

by reopening passes the indirect rescue of staying missing out on education other health consequences and to keep. children and you talk about risk is the risk really any greater than any other nasty illnesses the children can have in that early age should families be worried then about this initiative well that's one of the really surprising things about this nearly every other virus there's effects the respect tree system targets children and the elderly and the best buy's we do know that children are relative. but there is still a respite for example much higher. risk of death for children is around going there is there are 6 percent so very small but obviously if you were type in every school and every child was to be impacted that is still going to be some. risk to parents the rest grandparents the rest is just empty just especially with

underlying health conditions much higher for the children themselves and then there's the population rest and much difference does that make to spread so unfortunately we don't have the data that we need but the models estimate suggests school closures prevented maybe 2 to 4 percent of overall population spread so it's a base of a blunt tool it doesn't have a big impact it's important we think we have no choice but to do with the exponential growth of the pandemic that we saw in march but at some point when we have got. notes or a right action down a bit. you know the 2 to 4 percent contributed by school closures the balance of breasts changes and when we have to look at the end direct right so i will close without talking about a complete return the idea phasing in by stages one year of primary then the most critical exam years at secondary. yes that's the critical questions i not just went

by house i couldn't say which groups to start with starting with the older primary school children makes sense that more easy for them to understand sensical just saying ways that story example you can keep children in their home town ostrom or take teachers back a break so you don't have so many children and not sure in the playground the same time that the best data we have on this actually comes from time longs who partial pleasures. 2003 epidemic and also from analysis of flu epidemics unfortunately don't have the data we need yet and this us and them at so difficult isn't it education is in and of course use on to stop to medical experts if we're waiting for a vaccine that could be next year and of course i'm told home would have been done to young people's educations if there isn't a gradual release back to some normality and education. yeah i mean i think the

incredible thing for someone to travel health for 25 years i've never seen the amount of science that has been precipitated by this and amicability had 30000 acres uplift and a 100. or more than $100.00 vaccines being moved forward well contrast in the british government today looking at major investments so that we keep several vaccines going in parallel to maximize. but you know however fast that carries is going to be a significant damage to children in. schools at least for some time during that matter and then importantly next year and also for you know best senate later i must ask you about this mystery illness it seems to be related to code 90 particular faction very young children what are your thoughts on that with we haven't heard a great deal about it but it of course has. mentioned in the media yes so callous

actually to say is it's not just a japanese made to bite but it's of a family rats syndrome. often we don't establish the exact cause of but is most likely to be parsed by our all being more cases than expected reported from italy and from the u.k. but it's still extremely rast about 20 cases and it is a very severe illness about half the children who are tested negative or. you know we don't have a negative test if it's. negative by that point but in fact and so i think it's very important to research as pediatricians are asked to be looking out for but i don't think that the vast and arabs should be worrying about that and thank you for telling us more about that what about the government's on the pressure isn't it from teachers and indeed unions maybe to reverse all or to maybe

not go ahead with these plans to open but maybe to think about this again what are your thoughts on that pressure against the government. i think from education's social mobility and also economic perspectives you know rounds are 16 percent of the u.k. where of course there's a primary care for all children and are on the pressure to do that best on homeschooling and that's extremely variable at the moment so i think the government's doing the right things i think but the question is how and one really critical part of that will be identifying outbreaks very quickly and so more testing also for teachers their king at shielding for bumble teachers really thinking about honorable children so while children are. underlying health conditions are more risk i think any clearer guidance on that and then testing testing testing a much better a bit of a containment of outright. so i select. rechargers may be necessary but need

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