well as those measures are replaced the so we are trying to get customers who are very keen to come and see us but really you want to serve a limited number of customers at any one time that reduces our income in rent status a new cost and same is true. to some student was an up in the same right that's going to last in challenge i think for many cities all businesses across the country said we expect the not to be used to continue to quite some time very valid an interesting point you went on there thank you very much indeed james i'm rachael for joining us here thank you and that's it for a moment i'll be back with more news and often. one action or tensing we're going underground from arguably and for now the world

epicenter of the global coronavirus pandemic later in the show we'll find out why the n.h.s. here in britain has to import lifesaving equipment for its health workers from communist china but now world renowned environmentalist an ecologist dr london a shiva should need no introduction she is one of the leaders of the international forum on globalization and as one countless prizes for her work a classic staying alive women recall a g.m. development is scheduled for republication in september she joins me now from delhi of on that i thank so much for you coming on to you at least please that the global pandemic has not made politicians and policy makers talk about a war on nature the war is just on the coronavirus it's a problem to say you have a law against that little wireless because all the laws in the past have caused a lot of hot. coming from india the war against the barbarians we're all suppose we barbarians of you know where the civilizing mission it exterminated so many people

and cultures my work in the last 35 years has been based on. declaring war and humans in it as concentration camps those same chemicals in the same i.g. father and the same boys are gone 10 then turn these chemicals into every toxins every chemicals which are still killing but they're not solving the problem of control of best they're creating new kits and i was also supposed to live in factories there's a poster on 3 you get the mad cow disease you get by degrees a sense again the bacteria are winning when you talk about a war against microbes the war against microbes in our gut isn't the root of the entire chronic disease epidemic and there's all the scientific data showing the mortality with the corona infection is large higher when you have diabetes

obesity cancer 10000000 people die of cancer because of the boys and the 10 millions are dying of diabetes because our entire health system is being destroyed you don't fight life. you create harmony with life and its inability to meet harmony to create immunity to create resilience that is basically at the root of the militaristic mind losing every war against like well obviously big agriculture big pharmaceutical companies and big oil they all deny that they have anything to do with her creating disease but we do hear from press briefing say from downing street here in london or from the white house the fact that big multinational companies will be involved in our defense against coronavirus just tell me about what you talk about in one this your investigation of the origins of intellectual property and are you optimistic that there will be no payton to on any

future vaccine against corona virus the 1st you know to work on patents is what led me to create another and see saving and fighting against the illusion that corporations like monsanto are inventors of life and see just the in parliament of billions of years of nature's evidence and thousands of years of farmers breeding that it's a machine that the vets the book one miss was as one percent grew out of the fact that i witnessed the paris summit on climate change that bill gates and mark zuckerberg was strutting around on the streets with heads of state and i said when didn't billionaires work under elected start telling elected leaders what they should be doing so as we watch not just the bailouts going to the people who brought us the crisis the oil industry and every kind of the industry and big

pharma are one they're not different the investment funds like black rock and bad guys. blackrock true corona became control of assets of $23.00 trillion amazon desert just create a platform and destroys livelihoods every 2nd we try to create new monopolies just in the last month 24000000000 additional well project because it was while as the international labor organization is warning us we have a pandemic of an employment and as the fooled world goods program is and what we know as we have a hunger pandemic saw the billionaires actually would like to trash humanity trash the planet and this thing without the basis without that which supports they point to me that they will continue to make trillions it's that illusion that i talk about in my book one as well as the one percent it kid talking science but over

there and their drugs wonder aids drugs next year there are corona drugs one day of it a bolo acces next to the corona vaccines the story of the corona writer changes by the dea the treatment stories change by the and i think we need 'd a very large independent community of opinion largest medical people scientists to take stock of the many unscientific spins that have been given it's always a sort of associated with the challenge of property rights for such drops that are not even an example attention deficit disorder among children is because of the bad that. definitions of micronutrients interest elements are arms made by it with the city provide more of those micronutrients which then allow your brain to function your $12.00 punch well obviously obviously we tell our viewers to consult their own

medical practitioners and as for your criticism of a big oligarchy with their billions who are interviewed every other day it seems for their great information on coronavirus they would say no they're far from. being negatives they're feeding the bigger world they're creating the interconnectivity around the world and they're emblematic of progress quite the opposite of what you're saying quite no it wasn't of the facts and evidence of that than all the long distance of line chains have lambs what is still working are local farms and community supported agriculture and links between the growers of food gloss the problem and it's the land but the my book oneness was as one percent isn't how the so-called philanthropist activity landreau capitalists my book is analyzed every sector that has been shaped and driven by bill gates it

was not gene dry still he started to finance it it was. for 5 years ago that is pushing it it is deregulating the european court of justice said it's a g.m. they're trying to have it declared and not g.m. or all the instability of this gene try. the negative is coming out gene tries to push species to extinction can you imagine the mines the miners that would imagine it has the power to engineer extinction i wish extinction rebellion what drives up against this deliberate extinction difficult arguments difficult to have a demonstration on at the moment. but there is no direct evidence at the moment that the creation of monocultures by capitalism by greed directly created coronavirus surely we need that proof before big agriculture big mining big pharma

have to pay for what in effect is deforestation and so on for creating coronavirus when we do know that the buyer this comes from back that much we know i also have newspaper reports from india hold all of the defense research years of china and the u.s.c. jointly and pirated really that's in viruses from india in the not. so we do know there was a deliberate collection of these there are d.n.a. similarities around 94 percent we don't know it came from about doing. no we do we do that it is then been modified how it's been modified is the uncertain part what's the modification is what is a defense lab is the way markets that's where the different stories start to get bernie confusing we wouldn't have a swine flu without the monoculture factory farms we wouldn't have bird flu without

moral culture factories you know you know that the big but the big senate ecology we know diversity is what creates a bridge in the spread of disease and bess but it is evil to print h. more easily on vulnerable bodies vulnerable by a big maybe vulnerable by the poison and monocultures of the mind as i've called it is the inability to see how equal systems well the inability to see how diversity is michael and i b b a b s the expert group will international of the convention on biological diversity is coming out with a report that without by the industry will have no help and i have put out a call on earth do you say there's one hell on one planet and it comes through those bigger cultural firms that have an immense amount of money and lobby on k.

street in washington and lobby here they will tell you that we have the black death we had great plagues we had epidemics pandemics where before capitalism started we had them during feudalism not because i'm not saying because the plea but i am saying that they have created of false system that has become the basis of chronic diseases and the emergence of new diseases 2nd even the w w h are you absolutely worried about this pandemic what will the pandemic of diabetes and obesity all of the us need to issuing the was with terms. of the corona infection the black americans who either was with terms of pollution of the poison it's a bad food they were already put into what i call a nutritional out of mind can you imagine the degradation of the human being

if people in the richest country have to live in what is called who deserts the died in a full desert is a recipe for obesity and diabetes and people with obesity and these are the worst victims 9.2 percent is the risk of dying if you have diabetes and the current admin and it when the other is is one percent i've got to tell you that here in this country richie said that the chancellor boris johnson chancellor was 1st to quantitatively ease $645000000000.00 into the footsie stock market our entire pension system here in britain let alone in the united states is intertwined with the very companies you keep mentioning do you believe that all the pensions should be disavowed thing immediately from these massive agriculture companies. well 1st of may is made. its turn to remember that workers have rights

including the rights to their pensions they have a right to decide how that money will be spent to create subsidies for those who are destroying the planet destroying our health destroying our livelihoods or yours to be able to recover after this pandemic which is not one pandemic it is a 100 pandemic it is a livelihood pandemic of course it's a corona pandemic which is occurring in disease fed a pandemic and my big worry is as you lock people into their houses and as amazon is given through them to deliver every ad of amazon that comes on my computer is junk food packaged food. and is not what we're supposed to eat this should be clear you commission of the workers of our pension funds and they should be taking for mission of the 16 trillion microbes in our gut i think we are in a time where we need a democratic debate about the use of our money. a new reclaiming of

the commons including ringback the public health systems which is what is see people in this crisis not the private for profit system the robber barons of today are tech barons but they're still raw barons and as they say big jeter is the new lawyer it's still an oil and it's still extracted from our minds and they're hoping from our bodies with under the skin surveillance systems being treat that created this is a moment for people to become more deeply democratic and not allow the lot down to be a lockdown the timelines the lockdown of our freedom of thinking the lock down of hostile it at it talk to run the machine or i'll stop you there more from the world renowned environmentalist after the short break plus after tens of thousands dead how did the n.h.s. europe's largest employer go for manufacturing lifesaving p p to begin communist china for it.

when i was told seemed wrong. but all wrong just don't call. me old yet to see proud disdain come out of. it in detroit it was betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart when just on the common ground. welcome back we'll be talking about n.h.s. shortages later in the show but i'm still here with world renowned environmentalist talk of a shiva we would say here in britain at least some of us that we have democracy we have the european union the european parliament we have these big trade blocs we have w t o organizations with democratically accountable representatives you believe however

that fundamentally to our denying of the precautionary principle which is now of course being investigated in the context of coronavirus these are fundamental to the denial of the precautionary principle that has led us to this i think sadly the exit was driven by the denial of the proportionate principle i witnessed how it was the european union laws and biosafety that was seen as coming in the we of the g.m. will issue and a democracy which has been hijacked by big money and the billions. it's no more a democracy it is just at the start for a dictatorship and today we have a dictatorship of money which is able to totally trash people's will people's freedom that is what we have to wake up to right now people are talking about the vaccine the urgent need for a vaccine so that specially ironically the developed nations of the united states

of the united kingdom can get out of the mess that it finds itself in how can we stop ourselves from having to rely on big pharma doing research that actually threatens bio safety food safety. epidemiology itself i think 1st of all we do need democracy and diversity knowledge the 2nd is those who make money out of investments in a particular treatment of any kind this should not be decision makers this should not be allowed to come and talk to presidents and prime ministers because it is a conflict of interest to institutions that often talk to prime ministers and presidents of the world bank and the international monetary fund do you believe that at least this pandemic means they will be less able to tell the leaders of the global south to privatized their health care systems what health care systems they

have after the global pandemic the high point behind insurance they will hide behind bailouts you know world bank and i.m.f. are already getting ready and there's not a single time where world bank and i.m.f. have given money without a structural adjustment package behind it in 100-9218 was a $90000000000.00 crisis we had when world bank pushed the privatization of the seeds and that is what destroyed our agriculture that is what created refugees most of indians were farmers that refugee status is today in the migrant labor half of india. works as to carry sleeper all in and they have no work there today is hungry people so you know the greed of the money machine as i call it in my book when this was one percent on which the i.m.f. world bank the value to your rules the billionaires who really gain out of this is

now thinking of how do you mine the minds of people that's what this book does when it says the answer to cambridge analytical how do you mind the data the bodily activity of human beings and then sell back lintas of the lands that is what people who have a passion for freedom and a passion for life should be looking at well the government here wants everyone to download an application to help people from coronavirus and surely bill gates has children and boris johnson here in london has just had another child why do you believe they would be a part of mass surveillance not only mouth surveillance but the distorting and manipulating of research around say pandemics like coronavirus so if you think of 2019 we could call 29000 the expression of

people's food everywhere in the world from cheerleader lebanon everywhere people were out on the streets calling for a change in the political and economic system when you create your wealth through theft and people free people have the possibility to writings you're not just afraid of life because life can sell balkanize it really well you're afraid of people what they don't learn is you cannot shut down treat. even a blade of grass knows how to break through the concrete and we have to become blades of grass well i'm not sure what the low birth rate say to that i've got to mention actually a documentary produced by michael moore directed by jeff gibbs that was released for free on the internet on earth today your it it you're in the documentary come under a lot of criticism because it seemed to say that the so-called new green technologies

you mentioned black rock earlier and of course pension funds heavily invested in brand new green technologies for profit it seemed to cast doubt on wind power solar power and the way these technologies are created and whether they actually do help the environment at all i have learnt to do full cost accounting to not call all the appearances but to call the hand. so we were always told industrial food is cheap and is feeding the world saw i started to do the full cost accounting and found that this trillions and trillions of dollars dollars of chandel in unmonitored destruction biodiversity destruction struction a farmers and destruction when we add all that together we will realize that we were not a poor industrial who pushed by the old boys in cartel and big line if you take biofuel get me to look like it's very efficient inside out in the european union we

had big debates in the parliament where they were giving big subsidies so by feel diverting fuld to feel but it takes not forsooth feel to produce biofuels and it substitutes just finally then since you mention accountancy in a sense you believe something as basic as farm yield now and different types of statistics that accountants use should now should now put in one column the cost because of coronavirus or definitely and i'm not talking about. county i'm talking about auditing in the full cost benefit and you know it as if a plan has been pushed into the chemical track and this is. my money i say let's sit and do the door total accounting costs and benefits and then they realize they're losing out their debt or 100000 farmers so say the 2 principles that came out of the earth summit and i had the privilege to be there the precautionary principle and the polluter should we measure nutrition we measure health and our

work with the real farmers and true cost accounting is showing that we could feed 2 times in the u.s. population there's an amazing arc of that is definitely more powerful than a bill some of jeffries of the really little little creatures don't understand they're in significance in the largest or. we invited them both on dr van that i shave i think you're. that banking. well while boris johnson the government stands accused of overseeing the underreporting of the u.k. coronavirus death toll the numbers of health workers killed have been tragically clear but why is the n.h.s. find it so difficult to get basic protection for its workers the n.h.s. europe's largest employer now depends on communist china even though a global pandemic was rehearsed for back into any 16 i'm joined now via skype from london by the co-chair of keep our n.h.s. public dr tony solomon tony thanks for coming on before we get on to other issues

fundamentally how is it that not keeping our n.h.s. public as a factor of britain's response to coronavirus because that whole service with this 1700000 people a single. and this is being undermined in the worries it isn't just senators and zeeshan the government is seriously understand that the n.h.s. so that it's always under pressure is always on the sunders they haven't seen the stance there that's huge numbers and sequences they don't and that's equipments and all of those things which make a mountain to be clear this is under successive administrations tony blair john major cameron and of course main boris johnson why is it that on the front line are doctors and nurses have to have to get personal protection equipment from private providers given the n.h.s.

is the largest employer in europe or that what exactly is the story behind the fact the n.h.s. cannot produce its own protective equipment for its own staff well beyond behinds this is really serious failure to protect the top of the testing and continent facing and to present it and some nonsense any chance it stands in terms and so on behind us is this. ideology that that's. tribe it is better than public and that the government should not be investing so much money in public services the n.h.s. in the past used to secure its own equipment and make its own equipment to a certain degree of as it can't produce everything there is no reason on earth want the n.h.s. could not be reducing essential equipment such as generic drugs and such

a man's personal protective equipment and he should be doing so we are going to contain a return to asleep public national fully provided fully funded health services and we will also be for that actually be extended to the cursors i haven't even talked about the care service but of course drugs are suddenly discovered socialism in the n.h.s. surely it cannot be his fault after all as regards this inability to procure equipment for as i say the largest employer in europe and not one politician administrative and doctor. shop nursing management person in the n.h.s. even sense exercise sickness when they simulated a pandemic thought oh we probably need some kind of a protection equipment for nurses or porters cleaners in the health service or that a lot of those who was involved in the. will to publish the signs of exercise sickness in 2016 there were voices indeed

raised the need for a national supply in preparation for such an agency's of person protective equipment the recognition that there were insufficient barriers such a pandemic and specifically the lack of sentences out you know about this given that information is classified and top secret there's intimation that seen at least 20 people that's a cancer but. the song written it is not available so why that why are they doing on time until they do not because that shows them in a very polarized and very who challenge the suggestion that boris johnson has discovered socialism but what they need to do is realize that a nation in peril. and part of the world or us to use collective measures and put the public service and the private interests just

finally on the issue of secrecy i'm not sure if this is because of the simon stevens who is there the boss of n.h.s. england who has a prior career as a scandal head tell us private health care for what do you make of the fact that n.h.s. staff are right now being threatened with disciplinary action for talking to the media for even tweeting about shortages of lifesaving equipment and hand problems on the front line in britain's response to coronavirus i think it is absolutely disgraceful it is a bullying comes down has come through the talks and it's come to top government and top of the n.h.s. england and then it goes down to none 0 in regions and the trusts the fact that they might be punished for raising seriously responsible issues is it isn't dispraise and i think this that whole political agenda that has been shown to be bankrupt if we learn one huge thing of benefit from this to

a virus is that the near liberal agenda has that's who the world and so people like no sun stevens or the or the agents of change saw such an ideology and it has to start. dr tanya solomon thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday to speak to former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powers has been about how we can change the world from societal nudges to political mandates until then wash your hands keep in touch by social media and don't forget to join the on the going to you tube twitter sound cloud it's a common facebook. join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sport this list i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.

welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is our to u.k. . from tomorrow we will begin a pilot test track and trace our look at why. the health secretary announces the trial of the n.h.s. is a coronavirus contact tracing it up with the deputy chief medical officer also which we don't know if antibodies from the virus guarantee future immunity. to the government plans to reopen the british economy could include businesses staggering shifts banning hot desking and providing protective kid when social distancing isn't an option. wiki leaks founder julian assange launches his extradition case pushed back to september keeping him behind bars for over 18

months. abelson the pubs and restaurant owners consider legal action against insurers who refused to cover losses incurred due to the pandemic we hear from the founder of covert claims is a group for small business owners. the health secretary's announced plans to trawl the coronavirus test track and trace up on the odds of whites but the deputy chief medical officer admits that scientists don't know if the virus antibodies give recovered patients immunity that says the government looks to reopen the british economy but with companies making sweeping changes to workplaces. and he joins me now with the latest what more then do we know about the track and trace approach. well matt hancock and now seeing that the government would be going ahead with their tracking tracing

strategy and lance in the launch of a detroit of the new tracing now this app he says is going to be rolled out on the isle of wight which he says will be the perfect environment for this test because it's an island and so it would be a controlled environment that would allow the government to see whether trucking in tracing where people of god who they've been meeting and who they come in contact with will help them to slow the spread of covert 90. from tomorrow we will begin to pilot test track and trace only isle of wight starting with health professionals and rolling out this week to all citizens i'm grateful to the huge enthusiasm shown by islanders who who know that by participating in this pilot they're at the forefront of helping get britain back on her feet by downloading the app you're protecting your own 'd health you know protecting the health of your loved ones and

the health of your community. now there have been a number of concerns raised about the use of this type of technology 177 cyber security experts have written joint statement letter drawing concerns to the government's use of this type of technology saying that the government system in particular with centralize people's data would also allow them to engage in mass surveillance of the public way beyond the end of the coded 90 crisis there are also been other concerns raised as to how effective it even would be because the science isn't yet clear as to whether showing an antibody for example in a test means that you are not going to be reinfected that later on and that uncertainty is something that the deputy chief medical officer chris plante and also conceded during the press briefing. do those antibodies protect you

from further infections and we just haven't had this disease around on the planet in humans for long enough to know the answers to that with any surety and that's a piece of science that we will just have to follow a bit longer and i hope the answer is yes but i think it's one where we have to be much clearer before we can take that responsibility of giving you a very clear answer on that. jonathan benson the chief the deputy chief medical officer there discussing those questions being raised around the use case and the use ability really of and the viability of that technology and these are what start businesses when it comes to the lock down. well the government have stated that they're going to be tentatively trying to lift some of those not restrictions it comes as the daily death tolls have come in for deaths from coated 19 or as

a result or after he tested positive of having coded $900.00 it hospitals that number now $288.00 for the most recent 24 hour period significant drop would suggest the trend is towards those deaths figures fall again would give the government encourage meant that there is a roadmap ahead for them to lift those measures now we can have a look at some of those suggestions as to what the government can do when it comes to trying to lift those restrictions so the 1st thing that we know that the government has said that they do want to do is to establish if times to give companies the opportunity to let people work at different times that would mean offices are less busy it would also involve a ban on hot desking and this is where employees routinely move desk so that would be banned social distancing measures would remain in effect so people employees

would remain 2 metres apart at all times however the government does not that this may not be possible some jobs or some workplaces may not allow for people to keep 2 meters apart from under a reason so the government with then it's just companies taking up p.p.a. but the problem with that of course is as the government states in the past it could put the stress on the n.h.s. and that bill it's easy to source. and really supply there from my start with p.p. which we've seen in the past shipments not arriving on time and so on now when it comes to those knock down measures you know there have been protests over the weekend outside scotland yard the headquarters for the metropolitan police in central london with people hugging each other and in other ways. the social distancing walls and also some of the people the forward to serious that 5 g. has been responsible for corona virus those of course being the theories which as

yet haven't got any scientific backing whatsoever to support them so the government their. position to knock down measures a race to the sea if this continues for much longer how much the country will stick to them. thank you very much indeed for all of that well dr antony renshaw from international s.o.s. a medical services company told me that the at could be a key factor in easing the lock down we have to return to the the reason why it's been rolled out and that's because we've seen that contact tracing is one of the central tenants of the successful response and and we certainly seen evidence of good contact tracing contributes to our government's willingness to ease restrictions alongside an additional testing quarantine measures and continuing distancing missions so i think if it were to be taken up it would be

a successful. trial and hopefully we could mimic and the successes that have been seen in other countries that strain singapore and others but this tracing some will say has come a little bit too late we should have started with this soon as possible. so i think that you know governments and individuals managing this i think some very difficult decisions at that time and each country has managed things in its own way and so you know what what countries are doing they're learning from the best efforts of other neighboring countries and those overseas and coming to their own conclusions to your faults that about those who are concerned about the privacy implications. sure i think the government has sort of tying

doing this that there's clearly a need to make sure that the information is how only for the purpose and which was collected it should be how old for a shorter period of time possible and then white procreated point and so it certainly is a very very key consideration. rollouts. facial recognition technology could be used to help issue a digital certificate showing that someone has developed immunity the virus allowing them to return to work a proposal for the digitized immunity passports has already been sent to the government and could help businesses get back on their feet once restrictions have been eased well to get a certificate users upload an image of their face to the help along with i.d.'s such as a passport or driving license to confirm identity we have then gets a test to see if they have had the virus and developed immunity you have then

generates a q r code which can be scanned by the workplace and if your face matches you are free to enter your place of work but the accuracy of some antibody tests for the virus has been questioned and as we heard earlier from the deputy chief medical officer scientists don't know if antibodies do guarantee immunity from the virus the british government says community certificates were among the options being considered under its track and trace plans once locked down measures are eased. but the head of one of the companies working on the technology has sent cosign jovially and he said that ensuring user privacy was one of the main features of the technology. say in january you have recovered from the virus and you have a presentable proof of in minutes you know what maybe immunity if within 3 months or 6 months it transpires that that immunity length is cuts or should only really

be 3 or 4 months then you might have to be tested again for instance so whether digital solution that benefits are that it can be live and it can be kept up to dates so where are you the moment the same with this technology for those well when can you actually launched this so we're different stages across different authorities and it's also employers at times considering how they might get that and if it was an employee's back at work so the main first 'd priority is really for these for the authorities and others to work on finalizing what the test kits ought to look like and the secondary consideration is if a health passport an image passport is to proceed how that is developed and how the identity of an image was bound to that and that's where we come in our focus for the last 8 years has been on boarding very fine people did it again remotely so that as you're as an individual registering for an online bank account or other platforms you take a photo of your id photo of your face then we're using that data technology to assess that it's genuine and that your face matches the parts on the id all sounds

very clever very effective but what about privacy implications many people worried about health data being stored. on expect health authorities typically would hold your health most of all concerned about who has access that's and what is there for shared and one of the reasons why we are involved in quite a few of these could conversations across the world is because of our approach in crisis centric. well let's turn to the latest coronavirus figures as they emerge from the u.k.'s home nations the u.k. war and death toll has passed 28700 as n.h.s. england has revealed a further 288 deaths these go to 1st minister has announced 5 more in scotland since sunday northern ireland has reported 6 more and wales 14. and for a global picture here is the latest over 3 and a half 1000000 people have now been infected this is according to johns hopkins university in the us which collates worldwide data nearly a quarter of

a 1000000 people have lost their lives and over 1100000 have recovered so far. well the figures come this hundreds joined protests across the u.s. over the weekend to demand the opening of the economy that's despite america registering the most confirmed cases in the wall well standing level 1 point one maybe. it's only begun tentative steps in lifting its own all to spending 2 months on the most severe restrictions its hundreds can now exercise outdoors and visit relatives within the. industries such as manufacturing and construction have restarted. i still to come. here and also you can join in the song chances extradition case pushed back to september we get the latest from outside belmarsh prison where he's being held. in pubs and restaurants and is considered legal action against insurers who refused a couple losses and could due to the pandemic hear from the founder of claims it's a group of small business owners.

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old yet to stamp out this day to come to educate and engage with equal betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. as we have said from the very beginning russia gate is a hoax and a fraud there is now campbell evidence to prove this and what explains trans flip flop on the iran nuclear deal.

we couldn't stomach turning the song she has his extradition pushed back to september meaning he will have been back by being behind bars for over 18 months he has shut it was dusty has more from outside belmarsh prison. a coronavirus crisis has put the brakes so much within the judicial system and judas on his extradition hearing case is all no exception and has now been pushed back to september later on this good now it comes off to the district judge ruled that essentially this caring had to be pushed back because of fears and concerns that your innocent and his lawyers would not be able to be physically present but what that does mean is that the wiki leaks founder julian assange will essentially at that point have been in the prison just behind me for well over a year without trial and essentially without even presenting any evidence in court now as we know he is wanted he is wanted by the united states to be extradited that

they want him to face trial he's been indicted by the united states on 17 counts under the espionage they want him to face trial for spying and publishing classified documents relating to the war in iraq and afghanistan was one of conspiracy to hack government computers to publish these documents now if found guilty in the united states he would face and sentence be guilty and be sentenced to 175 years behind bars of course here in the united kingdom june of songs restored back into the public eye last year. where british police dramatically and infamously hold him out of london's ecuadorian embassy where judas so it was seeking political asylum for almost 70 is he then was put hits about prison serving a 50 week sentence for skipping bell and 2012 and since then his campaign is and supporters have been incredibly and increasingly concerned about judas and just how we know he's been in and out of the medical ward here in prison he's even even been

allegations of torture behind bars for doing this on purpose now this added pressure added pressure of the coronavirus crisis and it's because of private 19 that the judge has ruled that this will need to be extended well into september due to all of the. complications that have come with coronavirus essentially shutting down the good issue of system however that idea hasn't entirely shut down the system we've just had from the justice minister earlier today he said that still almost 50 percent of official proceedings in court and still going ahead as john by a computer scientist who successfully appealed his own u.s. extradition case larry love he told me that the coronavirus crisis is making matters worse for us are cutting him off from his lawyers when it comes around to the actual hearing it will be over 18 months and he's had to spend that time detained in prison not just any prison but belmarsh one of the i security prisons in the. irish

a place that he and it also it is is ability to meaningfully participate in his defense which calls into question whether the justice can act it is what you think is going through at the moment mentally that is. true my own experience it was. that the entire process was characterized by the fear in the uncertainty of not knowing what your future holds whether indeed you have any future. and from my very brief experience when i was in prisons it was exasperated even further because you're no longer treated as a person you're treated subhuman as an animal worse than any animal should be treated and. being cut off from the world especially when you're someone who's used to being able to communicate with a lot of you has a needs to to access lawyers and to access campaigners and journalists and all of this is intern i eat under the best conditions and it's now even worst coronavirus meaning that there are no prison visitations and indeed. mr towns hasn't been able

to access to lawyers in the preparation of the case hearings courts are still running on the area and so in some ways a you'd think they could have actually fast tracked this case. yes i mean it's difficult they have to. i know that venue there are other there are other problems due to the fact there is a lawsuit very legitimate interest in this case and there are observers from nation states from non-governmental organizations because the groups you need to be able to watch this is justice cannot be done behind closed doors. obs and restaurant owners have joined forces to take legal action against insurers who refused to cover losses incurred due to the lock down they say insurers are trying to get out of paying claims leaving many businesses to the brink of bankruptcy hospitality industry is likely to be among the last to reopen once locked down measures are lifted leaving many to fear that this will force them to close their

doors for good law firm shown the rare thinks that the businesses do have a strong claim. in times of crisis they expect their insurance to respond yet i'm hearing time and time again that insurers that either a stern warning on a fairly limiting or simply point blank refusing to pay out under business interruption policies insurance does cover physical damage forced closures including those jew to disease however they only cover some businesses and business is claim that some insurance companies have simply ignored some claims made in recent weeks insurers however insisting that an international pandemic is not covered by business interruption policies or underwriters claim that losses are impossible to cover without government backing in this case where business owner and founder of claims it's a group to support small business owners james other one short told me that many firms are having the same problem with insurance companies. yeah herb insurance is

really makes a lot more typical we've been getting support through the business to graham's piece to see that the the dallas bad loans have started today and seem to be working much better than the c. bills that really wasn't working at all but that doesn't really help with all of the costs that a big accrued bad credit and not all the normal costs are going to do when we have no income and our insurance that we paid extra for for extended b. our coverage was supposed to cover that short so please don't name the insurance company but what sort of dealings have you had with them or what's the response even been getting from them so we put in a claim we were told that under the terms of our policy that training would be valid and that the insurer didn't recognize code at 19 as a notifiable disease even though he's been added to the government's official list

of mutable diseases i don't mean we saw that this problem that we had we started to speak to other small business owners and i found that many many countries were having the same response and very few issues that actually paid out and so we set a code became groups it was a grassroots campaign group to represent the interests of all small businesses because this is an unprecedented time to simply can't predict or even plan for these kinds of claims and of course insurance companies said that if we audit every single claim we would go under. so it's interesting that they say that the association of british insurers and protect multiple statements that say that only a small minority of companies have this kind of problem and then they said it would bankrupt them both things can't be true and so no one's asking that they should pay or times to all businesses or even all businesses with basic business instruction is for those that paid extra for extended use into interaction and that's what so

we need clarity and that's what we expect to pay our calm and james also support he had as a result of setting up this action group and how likely might legal action be to succeed. so we've had a huge amount of interest among hundreds of people under small businesses directly affected are signed are open acts are going to be presenting this week the a.b.i. and other interested parties we've had many people who use heart template activities and let's there are absolutely watching closely how i'm teasing responding and solute been very helpful and our last course of action is to take legal action want to see how the x.t.s. court case unfolds and we're also hopeful that actually a.p.i. will will see sense insurers will start to pay out on claims to those critics to be likable. britain could see some classrooms reopened as early as next month

despite safety concerns from teachers and unions according to draft plans the government is hoping to send years 6 children aged between 10 and 11 back to school on or around june the 1st us just after the half term holiday a scientific advisory group apparently focused on them to help ease their transition to secondary school the government could then allow all the other primary school years back next it would be secondary schools where $10.12 could return they are in their 1st year of g.c.s.e. and a levels where the exams for next summer children have been deemed low risk but schools closed amid concerns about them spreading the virus between households and school staff however it was reported that a small number of children have been treated for experiencing a severe immune reaction that could be covert rated currently only the children of some key workers are continuing to attend school and teachers representatives believe it's still too early to consider changing that policy. while we all want to

see a return to some sort of normality there any you believe is really premature to talk about june return date instead the government should be providing evidence about how this can be say how many more fatalities would we expect to see among school staff and parents and how these can be prevented or minimised. professor joy from the london school of holy jean and tropical medicine told me earlier that parents grandparents and stuff all at risk if schools open nearly every other virus there's effects there were spare tree system targets children and the elderly and the best buy's we do know that children are relative. but there is still a respite for example much higher. risk of death for children is around going there is there are 6 percent so very small but obviously if you were type in every

school and every child was to be impacted that is still going to be something that the risk to parents the rest grandparents or the rest is just empty just especially with underlying health conditions much higher than for the children themselves and then there's the population rest and much difference does that make to spread so unfortunately we don't have the data that we need but the models estimate suggests school closures prevented maybe 2 to 4 percent of overall population spread so it's a base of a blunt tool it doesn't have a big impact it's important we think we have no choice but to do with the exponential growth of the pandemic that we saw in march but at some point we have got. notes or are right action down a bit you know the 2 to 4 percent contributed by school closures the balance of breasts changes professor also told me the government will need to sport breaks

within schools as a begin to reintroduce different groups back into the classroom. i think from education's social mobility and also economic perspective you know rounds are 16 percent of the u.k. where cost is the primary ever or children an hour on the question should say that passed on home schooling and that's extremely doubtful member so i think the government's doing the right and i think the question is how and one really critical parts of that will be identifying outbreaks very quick chance so more testing all sides the teachers their king at the whole bundle teachers really thinking about wasn't honorable children say well children are low rest underlying health conditions are already i think any chair. and then testing testing testing a much about how

a containment of outbreaks and so i say that serves the recharger may be necessary but needs a price on the internet. and that's all from us u.k. all colleagues at all t. america will take over at the top of the from all of us here in westminster thanks for watching and good luck.

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