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point 5000000 people globally and reached a death toll of nearly 250000 while the rate is slowing more european countries are lifting restrictions on their reopening their economies italy cautiously lifted some restrictions while others remain in place spain reported its lowest number of cases in 2 months and marked a 6 week record low of 164 deaths and 24 hours south korea plans to gradually reopen schools starting next week as social distancing measures were relaxed while other countries continue to see a surge in cases the u.k.'s death toll is expected to overtake italy's as of sunday the u.k. saw 28446 this is just behind italy's 20884 japan's prime minister shinzo ave announced it would extend its walk down until may 31st. when you have to let you know that japan has not reached the explosive spread of crude a virus infections as an other countries and some positive results are beginning to
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appear such as the effect of reproduction number of the whole country falling below that prison there is still considerable number of new infections the liber of infections is not declining at a sufficient level. meanwhile white house model numbers just in hours ago they project that number of coronavirus deaths will increase to about 3000 per day by early june now the new york times reported the data came from an internal document however a white house spokesperson said the document was not presented to the task force so this comes as dozens of states have already begun reopening this is despite an increase in some numbers and the hunt for a vaccine continues on monday the european commission pledged 1000000000 euros for the pandemics global response described as the start of the pledging marathon of the commission hopes to raise 7500000000 euros prime minister justin trudeau pledged 850000000 euros french president emmanuel mccrone promised 500000000 and
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german chancellor angela merkel pledged 525000000 now world leaders held an online pledging conference but the u.s. did not participate however the white house said it does expect to see 3 to 4 vaccine and her final testing eventually director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases dr anthony felt she said it's possible there could be a vaccine by early next year this well president trump said he was confident there will be a coronavirus vaccine by the end of this year before numbers and information on the coronavirus be sure to check out our portable doughty up and look for the section tracking coronavirus. market analysis we're joined by chief strategist up of a trading todd horowitz todd at the u.s. treasury just announced this was just hours ago just how much it expects to borrow this quarter now we saw it we knew it was going to be a record number it's 2.999 trillion what do you make of that number.
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you have 0 is not a big fan i think that there are going away or over the top but of course this is just the next sign and the the the money printing experience that we are so lucky to achieve in of course the the fed continues to be involved in a place they shouldn't be so are overly involved i think this is just another sign that hey there's some issues but be that they're going to create a bigger meltdown once that happens on that's only for this next quarter i mean we can only project or see how this will play out but global stocks did fall over the weekend u.s. futures at one point were down $300.00 points early on monday we've seen $2.00 to $3.00 days of losses now even after the s. and p. saw its biggest monthly gain since 1987 for the month of april but what should we be expecting this month the month of may. well you know it's always hard to say we're expecting but certainly the trend is still higher you know we actually last
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wednesday broke out to new areas which could have taken them our market much higher all we've done is fall back into a consolidation range and it looks like now we're going to make another attempt to break through the of sight now again that's all has to do with the low cost of money and whirls you're going to put it right now so again to me the markets are going to go up until they don't and right now the trend is certainly still higher for the dramatic recovery april and after the big sell off and march and again i expect eventually a run of the lows but until the trend changes there's no reason to say that the murder can't go higher we've already. counter to the bad earnings were coming for all the information and markets are very efficient in pricing expectations so unless there's something unless you have a major change in corona virus it stops getting better we have to shut down the country again that would create a lot of meltdown and heartburn but unless that happens it looks like we're going to continue to work our way higher when there's a lot of stimulus here
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a white house top economic adviser larry kudlow did say that he could he projects the quarter could grow even over 20 percent that's if the economy reopens and that the numbers go down now that remains to be seen but i do want to turn to the p.p.p. funding were treasury secretary stephen newton said that $175000000000.00 of the $310000000000.00 have already been used now $2200000.00 loans have already been processed and the average size we're looking at a loan is about $71000.00 white house top economic adviser larry kudlow said that a 3rd round might be necessary how much more are we looking at. you know it's when you're looking at funny money they could be as much as they want i mean again this is all artificial and i don't understand why they don't actually make it loans to these businesses at very low interest rates over a very long period of time and that are printing free money and giving it away this to me does not fit any form of logic i've ever seen but of course it's allowing
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again this the devaluation over of the we have by by more free money printing so i think the better solution would be to loan small business money with an extended rate of low interest and extended time period but again they can print as much as they want as we've seen since 2008 i mean the process is a really never shut down we continue to see the creation of new money which is not a good situation well we already know that the record treasury that's ever been borrowed was just under 1.8 trillion this was in 2009 so we're now looking at 2.999 trillion it's a lot bigger number than that i do want to ask you about the european markets though they also took a plunge this was after being closed on friday for the international workers day holiday but on monday opened when oil and gas slipped the most at about 5 percent now this was mainly due to the rising tensions between u.s. and china around the start of the what the united states is calling the mishandling
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of the krona virus where do you see these markets going from here. well it looks like again your remarks have been weak anyways now again they did make a small recovery as well and of course the u.s. market sentiment going higher on the day i get i think that you know the european system is still extremely weak they're still in and they may have major issues and i think that we could continue season weakness but at some point they're going to be a buy there's going to be value there and as far as the tensions are concerned i mean i believe that the china did mishandle a coronavirus i think that this is more an issue on what they did wrong and not letting us get in that report so i think that that career. that's the problem but the overall american or the u.s. stock market was higher again so it was able to recover all those losses that it had overnight because overnight it opened extended ugly we almost went down limit but european markets again they'll be a buy at some point where i'm not quite sure well that's where we'll have to keep an eye on todd her with of a trading thank you so much. thank you. as more countries prepared to reopen
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china is still cautiously easing restrictions with the new normal china's quarterly g.d.p. plummeted by 6.8 percent the 1st contraction since the country began releasing figures back in 1002 april's economic data showed industrial production fall by 1 point one percent retail sales fell by 19 percent and investment in fixed assets fell by 16 point one percent imports and exports were down by 6.4 percent but the country is taking steps to resume what they're calling a normal life while some taking precautions a new report from the china beige book showed that of more than 500 companies surveyed 91 percent had reopened by late april but only 42 percent are operating more than half their capacity will for more we bring in a dean of miami business. john some analysts predict a strong recovery once companies return to normal could china bounce back quicker than we thought. probably not until the 3rd quarter
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or as you correctly pointed out although 91 percent of companies and businesses have reopened only 40 percent roughly are operating at full capacity the fact of the matter is that many chinese consumers are. basically without sufficient funds relative to last year to really reactivate the consumer economy and many of the most skittish worried about the worried about not having enough savings to be able to shore them up if there's a 2nd wave so i think that. predictions about a rapid bounce back probably a little bit over gone well and some european countries are also falling to 3rd beginning to lift some walk downs easing restrictions cautiously is there something to be learned from china in terms of how they're lifting these restrictions and now for example implementing that social distancing becoming
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a new norm. well china is obviously a pretty tightly controlled economy in a tightly controlled country and there does seem to be a national approach to the overall opening of the economy even though there is regional variation there is a national oversight to that regional variation so i think that there is probably more of a systematic approach in china which may give ironically may give it a little bit of benefit in terms of upping the chances of reopening successfully without juicing a 2nd wave of facts and that's something that china is cautiously looking at as well as places country than europe not opening up too quickly where they're still keeping some places close but in the last decade we've seen the world become heavily reliant on china for manufacturing because it's much cheaper now it is it
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really that easy for countries to to sort of debts china and manufacture their own products. it depends what you're talking about if you're talking about low tech products obviously those can be migrated to vietnam for example quite easily if you're talking about very high tech products chances are that the u.s. for example probably has kept a pretty tight grip on those items that are on the cutting edge it's the middle range of products where china has excelled as being the factory to the world and as more consumers in the u.s. and europe poorer as a result of the virus they're going to be looking even more for value for money and the value for money can really only be provided by an experience of low cost
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manufacturer and that exist. perience is still in china so for all of the wishful thinking about let's read the lies production back within our own borders to reduce dependency the fact of the matter is china is still where the look the best value products can probably be sourced and that's something that. angle marco has also said from germany that that's not going to just happen overnight but i do want to turn to a last quick answer now president trumpet favor now his favorite is a threat is a tariff he's floating the idea of imposing these new tariffs on china to punish for what we he's calling the mishandling of the crown a virus are we looking at another possible trade war we just signed the phase one trade deal a few months ago. well we're in an election year so all bets are off and terms of. restraint i think the global economy would be much better served if there
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was very little talk about further tariff escalation but in an election year that's become the way in which you beat up on china and that's the way in which we're going to live i think for the next 6 or 7 months but i certainly hope that we won't see an escalation and this is really just a pause during this is really a threat without substance because the global economy and individual national economies do depend upon a re entering. and a deescalation of these national terror of war that's really what's moving the market right now john called steen of the miami herbert business school thank you so much for your time and your expertise. time now for a quick break hang here because when we return when supply shortages are starting
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to show we'll tell you what's the beef as we go to break here than. numbers at the close. i think ron think china will hand gate and the saudis are trying to disrupt the american a shell industry oh my god i magine that they're trying to disrupt the american shell industry.
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we go to work so straight home. thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the country's military and the decision a little shouted lives every song came to a complete. the day that i was raped struck you you know told to shut up with it kill me and i see how destroyed my life any screamed at me and he made me come in the gram my arm and he write me with his birth the curia if you take into account that women don't report because of the extreme retaliation and it's probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military is a very very traumatizing thing to have happen but i've never seen trauma like i've seen from women who are veterans who have suffered military sexual trauma reporting
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rape is more likely to get the victim punished than the offended. an almost 10 year career which i was very invested in and i gave a sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an issue of our in violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether that's a man or woman. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy for them to you shouldn't let it be an arms race is also a spearing dramatic development that only really. i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and.
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amazon c.e.o. jeff bezos is being called to appear before congress that's right the house judiciary committee says it wants to hear directly from bezos himself about claims that his company misled the committee over its business practices at issue is a report from april 23rd detailing how amazon reportedly uses data from 3rd party sellers to develop its own products well cording to the wall street journal on april 23rd the wall street journal reported the amazon employees used sensitive business information from 3rd party sellers on its platform to develop competing products lawmakers from both parties said in a letter to mr bezos on friday the report was based on interviews with over 20 former or current i was not employees and the company's internal documents well joining us now to discuss is. an investigative journalist ben swan never a dull moment with amazon is there ben let's start with these what exactly is amazon accused of doing with this seller data. yes so here's the deal with
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centrally amazon is being accused of taking 3rd party sellers on their web site gathering all kinds of data about them as everything from the price that they set for a product how that product is developed how that product is marketed whether or not the public responds what kind of response they get from different demographics in the public compiling all that data and then using it to create their own private label products and then selling them on their their marketplace in direct competition with those 3rd party sellers so an example of that for one example would be there was someone who was a company that was the top selling truck organizer that's what they were selling on amazon's website amazon reportedly gathered all this data about them found out what they were doing how they were doing it then turned around and created their own private label trunk organizers that were amazon they so essentially the accusation here and what employees former employees of amazon are confirming to congress is that amazon is using this information they're gathering from 3rd party vendors in
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order to compete against those vendors ok so there will be people here who say that amazon is just analyzing data on their own platform right if even illegal. well it could be and that's that's the real question is it absolutely could be in the reason it could be is because it could violate antitrust laws you have to remember that most antitrust laws are not written for the digital age so they're not specific towards the digital age however if you gather inside information about another company and then use it to compete against them on your platform and then you promote your own products the people who come on the platform and you bury those products then that essentially could be considered antitrust there's you know that as you mentioned this is bipartisan democrats and republicans on the house judiciary committee are essentially the ones who are pushing this there is a republican senator josh holly of missouri he sent a letter to the attorney general bill barr about this and in part he wrote this he says quote if these allegations are true then amazon exploited its role as the
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largest online marketplace in the u.s. to appropriate the sensitive commercial data of individual marketplace sellers and then use that data to compete directly with those sellers are taking their information and you're using it to work against them and that's why he's calling for the attorney general to investigate whether or not crimes have been committed here absolutely i am i mean for their part amazon though has denied the accusations in the past could that be a problem for them. though it might in the been a very big problem for them this is why the letter was sent to jeff bezos telling him he needs to come and testify in front of congress because yes there have been lawyers for amazon on a number of different occasions who have gone into the public square and said this is not happening but most recently there was a general counsel for amazon who actually got of in front of congress and said this was not happenings nate sutton he is amazon's associate general counsel and this is
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what he said he said we do not use any seller data to compete with them speaking about 3rd party sellers on the site so essentially he is saying to call. under oath and we know as of lately there have been people who have been charged with crimes lying in front of congress he says it has not happened that's why congress is say we need to hear directly from the c.e.o. jeff bezos we have a few seconds left but i want to get this answer before we we cut the segment jeff bezos he's never been called to testify before congress before we've seen jack dorsey do it we've seen talk about mars like of our face but i do it what are the chances he's going to show up well then the chances are very good that will show up because when this essentially request was sent to him it was not an invitation i want to read you real quick it says the invitation to talk to congress was not a request this is a quote from jerry now i've learned he says although we expect that you will testify on a voluntary basis the committee will resort to compulsory process such as
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a subpoena if necessary so there's no question there he'll have to show up so unless co-host bent on thank you. there are things. in the wake of a nearly global lock down it's a question many of us will soon be asking when at the grocery store where's the beef but it's not just be shortages we're looking at now the world health organization is now warning of other possible food shortages in some countries well here to talk more about this r.t. correspondent fair enough fair and what's the beef. or the beef is that you know because a call to 19 there has been a global travel restrictions put in place and that ultimately is to limit the spread of the virus but it's adversely limiting the spread of certain foods as being exploited now looking at just the case of just be followed meat prices they are going to be rising for butchers and the cost will be passed along to the customer no $1.00 chicago meat market even reporting that this week they're going to be spending 40 percent more again this week alone and we'll be seeing the same when it comes to fast food restaurants now the only good news with all of this sara
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is that the price isn't going to be doubling overnight but it will start to have a steady increase but we will see beef go out for good or you know what we see we've got to go to the lockout is over well here's what one butcher shop owner had to say about that but i think you're skewed to be shortages of certain types of church. supply chain is typical hard to keep it off with certain things but i don't think i don't think it's a real. issue that we're going to run out of the per se and found we're talking about a meat shortage there are some countries who eat less meat than others and what countries will be the most affected by this so we have this little map here that's going to kind of show exactly which countries eat the most beef so some of it seems a little bit obvious you can see that the brighter states there there are countries that have people consume up to nearly 150 kilograms of meat per year you've got australia argentina of course the united states has major meat hubs across the midwest including my hometown chicago known for its meat packing industry now
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closely behind china canada nearly all of europe and nearly the rest of south america so this really is going to be fed. it's on the global scale now beef production is down 25 percent this year alone and pork is down 15 percent you do have many stores limiting the amount of meat products people can buy which is probably going to be going on for the foreseeable future over here in the united states there was a recent outbreak at a number of meat packaging plants in particular i'm talking about the tyson food are they planning to reopen right so on the national scale you had 20 workers that had died of cold at 19 a nearly 4200 meat packers at 115 processing plants they had been infected with corona virus which is why you had dozens of plants with nearly half a 1000000 workers processing pork beef and chicken alone closing at the same time you had president donald trump signing an executive order requiring me processing plants to stay open by putting precautions like social distancing in place well here's what the president of tyson says the company is now doing he says they have
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taken every possible precaution they've hired matrix medical to visit their facilities where there's been a surge in cases all to make sure that the disease is not spreading in those plants and also knowing what goes on in the community he says this gives tyson's team that actually make sure that they can put food on the american table so sorry you also had these out the court of south dakota scuse me a port processing plant taking its 1st steps and reopening monday after the plant also suffered a coded outbreak that infected nearly 800 employees the plant was shut down for 2 weeks we are going to be seeing more and more meat processing plants opening back up because of that executive order that trump did hand down but you're also going to have workers farmers even mediators alone like us we're going to be watching to see if these new food measures will be put in place and how well they're going to work really how prices prices for consumers will be affected r.t. correspondent thank you so much for the time you can catch boom bust on demand on the brand new portable t.v. app available on smartphones through google play on the apple app store by
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cannot be bold with yet you like. welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is all to u.k. . britain's coronavirus death toll rises beyond 32000 making it the worst hit country in europe and 2nd only to the u.s. worldwide that's as the number of fatalities in canada has almost doubled in a week. the government which is its track and trace sample in the art of white despite concerns over privet sea and security i'll be talking to a technology expert shortly. be opposition leader calls for a national consensus on lifting the lockdown to give the public confidence to return to work that says unions say the government's current guidelines put lives at risk we'll be hearing from a teacher and former union represents. the u.k.
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and u.s. claims liable states of targeting the poor trees working on the coronavirus response with malicious so i have a campaigns. and also the companies and the government stand accused of putting workers and residents are brisk by failing to give patrick guidance on the use of personal protective chairs we hear from a care home manager. coronavirus death figures in britain and now the highest in europe and only 2nd to the u.s. worldwide has fatalities increased over $32000.00 that's as the art of white is trotting the government's track and trace app despite only going privacy concerns already cases and he joins me now with the latest so. how well do the figures stack
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up now. well these figures represents a very sad and tragic milestone in british history because now the u.k. is now the country in europe with the worst death toll as you mentioned they're 2nd in the world to the united states and those this takes showing us that that's not just taking place in hospitals but also in counties that we can see some of the numbers which have come out from the office for national statistics the ins who do take into account the number of deaths both in hospital and outside of it figures released by the oas show that there have been almost 30000 code related deaths up to the 24th of april so it's almost 2 weeks ago that number surely higher than that in the same week almost 6000 people died in cannes homes alone so the week up to the 24th of april the previous 7 days so up until the 70 very poll the death figure
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was just over 3000 so that represents an almost double jump in the number the total number of deaths in that week outside of hospitals until the 24th of april just over 7700 that it could deaths in that can harm social caste sensitive people in their own homes and so on. that represents an excess of 11 and a half 1000 deaths in that week up until april 24th compared to the same week in 2019 so the week leading up to april 24th in 2019 so a massive jump representing the impact that could ignite it has had on the death toll in the united kingdom we've also had the daily death figures update today and those represent a higher number than yesterday over $458.00 people having lost their lives over the last 24 hours 366 of them in england $44.00 scotland $26.00 in wales
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and that total that included means that the u.k.'s total now above $38000.00 again surpassing anywhere else in europe italy and spain they were the leading countries in terms of death toll now of course there are differences in different countries the way they calculate their dance whether they take into account hospitals or can homes and so on but of course still very high not about deaths in the u.k. expected to be higher of course because of those staggered figures coming in and he said the tracking apps being rolled out now despite those privacy concerns absolutely so yesterday $177.00 site a security expert stating their concerns with regards to surveillance is spying with those apps being rolled out and that context racing out by the government and saying that that could be a concern even beyond the end of the coded $1000.00 crisis and we yesterday we saw the health secretary matt hancock announcing that the tracing out would be tested
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on the i o. of the white now there are thought to be $80000.00 households living on the island and the chance of the duchy of lancaster michael gove's saying that he hopes that more than half of those households do download the app and the local m.p. for the isle of wight obsolete also saying that set it like his issues to download the app is they believed that it would help in the fight against corona virus. talking to the buffets behind this as i was doing yesterday they were saying that if we can get 50 percent if we can get just half of island has who got smart phones to to be using this app then we could be the 1st place in britain to get rid of this virus prior to getting rid of this virus throughout our nation or certainly minimizing it as much as possible because what we know is what we have at the moment isn't a life now and of course about those concerns with trying to see me aspiring and so on at the scene and it's just sources told the s h
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e j journal that there are other concerns as well to do with cyber security performance and couldn't the safety but n.h.s. digits 0 who are all the age say latest it's the spokesperson speaking on the rollout of the apps as it stood in the b. to testing stage and that there are more cessna's to be done before that app is ready to be rolled out meanwhile i'll be seeing government advisors appearing at sponsored m.p.'s digitally to report on the latest updates and also those government express it gets it got to have been a number of traders along the way by the government in their battles it was covered 90 in the early phases and i've said this before i think if we manage to ramp the testing capacity quicker it would be beneficial and. you know for all sorts of reasons that didn't happen. and i think it's clear you
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need lots of testing for this we're in a very different world now. digital capacities we're focusing on on the out here but we have close on not the only country is one of the things that perhaps we haven't yet done is linked at. oprah through the digital progression and opportunity in 7 the fire preparedness planning so i think that will be in addition to the points which patrick has made that may be some of the changes that it thinks 3 how we can be prepared at an early stage dr judy harries and such a journalist updating n.p.'s as to what progress or mistakes have been made to us. thank you very much indeed for that update well to discuss this further i'm now joined by a technology expert and reporter for tech journal register karen mccarthy karen good to see a lot of questions over this on there so what could all the main problems with this
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kind of track and trace app as you see them. there are 2 main problems one is over the privacy aspect this information will be will take quite a lot information from you and your usage and provide it to a central database there's obviously pretty concerns there whether that is legal or not needs to be discussed but there's clearly a concerns and if people are concerned they may not download the app which would cause a big problem big knock on effect but the big issue that i that i wrote about recently was well actually work the way that it works is it uses bluetooth and it is sort of the you so you pretty put your phone puts out a bluetooth id and picks up the bluetooth i.d.'s of other phones by the way that they you can't govern structured it that won't work if the app is in the background or if the phone is turned off so it's sort of assuming that people will be walking around with this app open all the time and their phone open all the time if those 2 things aren't happening then it won't pick up the bluetooth id's of other phones
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around you ok i understand it will be happening a lot of the time so short is better than nothing and has a couple and i did have a vague idea of where the virus could be it is better than nothing but the question is should you go this route at all there is a different sort of apps a lot of other countries are using and being promoted by by google and apple which will pick up all bluetooth id's it's more to sort of the sensuous approach and that will be more effective no the n.h.s. the u.k. government decided that it wants to be able to have access to that data itself in order to do more analysis and one of the compromises that it's had to reach is it won't be entirely accurate it won't pick up all 'd of the phones around it so the question is it we don't know is that why they're running tests it could end up being ineffective it could end up being effective enough we don't know but they have made this decision and that decision definitely comes with compromises you
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mentioned that were decentralised can explain why. what is the difference between a centralized and a d. centralized approach well very simply is where is where is the danger and who can access it so at a d. centralized approach. the information yes it appears on the server but it's anonymous and if you are if someone say you're in contact with or close to says you know a lot says i have the virus i have symptoms then you will be automatically informed a centralized approach that information will go to the n.h.s. the government and they will make the decision and they will have the data and they will send you a lawyer and choose what to look to send you on when to center so there's clear advantages and disadvantages obviously the n.h.s. has decided there's big advantages for them to have access to all this data that means they can plan better but there's big disadvantages in that it may not work as well and there are privacy concerns what yet tell us more about the promise consent because you think that your data will be totally safe in government hands and the n.h.s.
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dayton's hands are up rather than other organizations sure but if there's one thing that the internet world has towards this state often ends up out there publicly i mean there's been endless leaks of data over the last 10 years and once that information is there and if it's valuable there is always a very strong chance that it will leak and one of the problems with the way they've set this up is it will be possible if that information leaks to connected to people the way that they put in a sort of specific id on your phone to connect the way that they ask you for a post code the way that it goes into the system if this data does leak it will be pretty easy for very large organizations to piece it together and get hold of an enormous amount of personal data carol mccarthy really good of you to join us thank you so much for joining us live here on. my president. meanwhile the government's chief scientific advisor has been forced to clarify his initial comments on herd
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immunity back in march the patrick vallance said the building up a degree of population immunity to the disease was a key part of the government's efforts the initial herd immunity strategy of letting the virus pass through the population was later discredited after modeling appeared to show it could lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths i should be clear about what i was trying to say and if i didn't say this clearly enough then i apologize but what i was trying to say was that in the absence all of therapeutic the way in which you can stop. community becoming. susceptible to this is through immunity and immunity can be obtained either by max a nation or it can be obtained by people who have the infection specialists in the field assistant professor of medicine at queen's university in canada dr mark stress told me that he thought herd immunity it was the solution if done in
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a gradual responsible way. i think that the initial herd immunity strategy was an imperfect and i think as we learn more about this virus we have an opportunity to have a refined herd immunity strategy that doesn't take away the other strategies like the app that the last reporter was talking about what we know about this virus is it has a very junior mercalli profile which respect to age so the vast majority of people who are dying to print a virus are over the age of 50 for people under 25 it's not more deadly than influenza. what i favor is a strategy where we let young healthy people out of lockdown and allow men to generate herd immunity the herd immunity strategy that the interior college london paper looked at was not that it was not a vertical interdiction strategy that takes ages of mortality profile into account and also it is there a degree of routine already against something like this within the population can that be to tell at the top of this thank you i think that is hypothetical so i have . seen you know all just for scientists friends and we were discussing whether
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there's other coronaviruses in the community that do not cause death because of the cold and whether he's the exposure to those coronaviruses may confer some amount of immunity to cope at 19 is not clarified but makes a certain amount of hypothetical sense. let's take a look at the latest coronavirus figures as they emerge from across the home nations 453 new fatalities since yesterday have been reported across the u.k. and h.s. england recorded 366 deaths today scotland's 1st minister reported a further 44 meanwhile public health wales has recorded 26 more and northern ireland's department of health 17 scottish 1st minister nicholas sturgeon has been discussing steps scotland could take when it's locked down begins to be eased and on people to socialise in small bubbles as one suggestion but she says no dates have been set and lockdown is likely to continue for now northern ireland dumbbells an extra 700000000 perms of funding for infrastructure regeneration and tourism in
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a bid to stimulate economic recovery 1st minister on in foster says the virus will affect northern ireland's way of life for many years to come. that summer look no out of the pandemic looks on a global scale but according to johns hopkins university which collates worldwide data over $3600000.00 a currently infected there have been over a quarter of a 1000000 deaths while more than a 1000000 have now recovered well this really is getting its 1st taste of life was knocked down is slowly eased after nearly 2 months 4000000 italians headed back to work on monday while others were granted their 1st prolonged period out in the fresh air in 2 months meanwhile washington's or need attacks from china have caused global markets already reeling from the pandemic to plunge even further. yes still to come this hour. the opposition leader calls on the government to build u.k. wide consensus on ending the u.k.'s don't tell us you don't say the current
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measures for return to work enough to protect stuff i'll be talking to a form like union rep. reports claim for the states british and us left focusing on coronavirus response with malicious cyber campaigns.
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join me every thursday on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest on the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you then. the u.k. and u.s. claim runnable states of targeting laboratories working on the corona virus responds with malicious cyber campaigns or because shut it was dusty has the latest for us here in the studio shut it tell us more about what's happening here well the global race to find a cure for the current virus is well underway but it's also not just a race around the clock to find it it's a race to be the one to produce that vaccine but today the government is claiming that malicious cyber criminals and campaigns are now waging wars against pharmaceutical companies universities lebar trees health care organizations those
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board is really trying to lead the fight against the coronavirus crisis apparently these online threats are trying to get their hands on anything really that can aid and assist their own retrospective responses to the coronavirus crisis but vall the blame hasn't exactly been pinned on any state in official capacity the mainstream media has already collated its own list of suspects and at the top of that list the usual suspects like china iran and indeed russia even though there hasn't actually been any evidence or confirmation of any successful attack to date plus the n.h.s. computer systems here in the united kingdom remain at large completely unscathed having said that precautionary measures are in place g c h q has been drafted in to assist the n.h.s. in medical research centers have been advised to change passwords that easily guessed just to stress though there hasn't actually been an attack but we're already hearing of responses and reactions to one spy bosses at the national
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cybersecurity center have branded their legit attacks as absolutely awesomely reprehensible and they've even said they're working round the clock to try and decipher who indeed is the culprit plus we're also hearing of potential retaliation . to bars with the chairman of the defense committee has said that britain should retaliate appropriately adding that the global destruction of covert 9000 is the perfect fog of war to orchestrate a cyber attack now this curd really just be a storm or a teacup but it could actually have the capacity to escalate because we're also hearing reports across the point in the united states that they too are being targeted by cyber attacks as well the problem is though without any evidence all thinkers do of blame seem to be pointed out the usual suspects of these so-called rogue states thank you very much indeed for that. the prime minister should
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seek a national consensus in the form of a lockdown on the exit strategy according to the leader of the opposition labor party secure stelmach has called for greater engagement from the government to ensure the right protective measures put in place people are really worried about lifting up lockdown they're really worried about going back to work they need a high level of reassurance. from house by a national consensus i think that when people to agree are competent it comes as the government's draft of voice to help employers decide when to reopen was criticized by the trades union congress in a letter to the business secretary the 2 you see he said the government's plan lacked proper safeguards for employees the consultation papers suggests government proposes a return to business as usual with no new requirements placed on employers beyond existing health and safety law and no government commitment to increased health and safety enforcement or public awareness of their health and safety rights we believe this approach will risk the safety and wellbeing of workers as they return to work
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. among the concerns that the guidelines only suggest businesses consider practices such as social distancing rather than enforcing them and noted that a section regarding p.p.t. was left empty except for a note to say that more details would follow there also failures to include a requirement that firms publish risk assessments for the virus and guidance was lacking on how companies should deal with at risk groups such as pregnant women or older members of staff or for more reaction to this i'm not joined by teacher and former regional secretary of the national unity chose martin pollinators martin good to see the government have to balance health risks with the economy so it's impossible to protect both completely. yes but surely safety has to be 1st and maybe the prime minister himself was saying it would be crazy now to what still the good work has been done the reality is that they were too slow to go into the
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lockdown and now many teachers and parents fear that they're going to be too quick to rush back into opening schools fully should there 'd be an element of autonomy perhaps relying on business owners had teachers teachers to get this right we really have blanket god lines for all but i think if there was a very fragmented approach that would be absolutely chaotic you wouldn't know which child was going back which workplace was going back so i think there has to be you know a national agreement and what we're saying is the national education union that has got to be on the basis of a clear safe risk assessment not just looking at things like social distancing in the schools and b.b.a. but also making sure the testing and tracing and isolation of social contacts are all in place so the schools don't become applies the just spreads the virus further and then we end up being a public health danger not just a staff but also to our communities so is it realistic to think you could have
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social distancing rules extra hygiene precautions a school to make it safe for everybody. i think most teachers would tell you that consistently no however much you try to persuade a class that they should study in their places there are going to be at times when someone goes to the toilet someone goes out for a break someone wants to go and look at what their friend is doing it's going to be very hard to do it consistently which is what we think we should even be looking at school is going back until the actual infection rate is a lot lower than at least the risks of that lack of distancing are reduced many would see what you say it's absolutely common sense but of course be thinking that unions are being obstructive here and there is actually no right solution so therefore the important aspect is to get society and economy back on track but what do you make of that slight suspicion of unions being obstructive. look teachers want to be back at work we're missing our own classes we know how much this is way
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particularly on the most disadvantaged children they need to be back but the very worst thing that we can do again for those disadvantaged communities where come of it is having the highest death rates is to return when it's not safe so i think the most sensible thing to do is to on the side of caution and whites and certainly as unions we would defend their members if they don't think it's safe to return then we don't think they should return but of course the government's holding back on easing the knock down should it be doing more you talk about tracking tracing we took office about hygiene social distancing what more do you think the government should be doing at this stage. i think we've got to see those plans actually in reality you know we know we're just beginning to start the. tracing in the isle of wight we know that there's been promises about testing which then turn out not to be quite fully carried out we need a situation so for example there is a positive close within the school we would then need everybody in that school to
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be tested otherwise we can't be sure what the situation is so in the health service now in schools as well people want to know that there are actually enough tests in place to be regularly tested for the tracing to take place and if necessary isolation of contacts as well at the moment we're not confident with their multiple davis really going to join us live here not make a thank you thank you. trade union unison says that some care home companies are fighting to give stuff accurate guidance on the use of personal protective equipment risking the lives of both workers and elderly residents the union has revealed that some cast alpha been denied access to vital protective equipment if employers say there are no confirmed cases of the virus one of the pairs others are being told they don't need people in communal areas of care homes. some tell us their employers the doing the right thing but many care workers of being put in danger because what they're being told is plain wrong they feel
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helpless because that often on low pay and are left to choose between risking their health or paying their bills we need clear simple and easily accessible guidance so start know exactly what they're entitle to and feel more confident to challenge employers refusing to provide it one can manager who spoke to us on the condition of being anonymous told me that the guidance needs clarifying urgently. home energy . i have. understood it may be a serial when we have all come from and we will get the full well received. good nears and what we see at the bases he was saying is it stressful for you and your staff how are people coping with the situation of the moment where you are it a disgrace for because we have to work and we do echoed the feelings.
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of the slow nagging to result in work. i mean that participates wise and not in fashion to having you know a story you know because many people think and care homes. to gays in that they may as well and so now they're happy it's coming so we have a half reeling a bit better and more secure i mean you know the only thing that we cannot. have more news including the u.k. government's daily coronavirus press briefing and just over half an hour from now. i think ron to china will hand. and the saudis are trying to
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disrupt the americans shell industry oh my god i magine that they're trying to disrupt the american shell industry. we go to work so straight home. thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the country's military and the decision little shunted loeb's every song came to a complete. the day that i was right to be instructed his you know told to shut up
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with it kill me and i see how destroyed looney any screamed at me and he made me come in the gram my arm and he write me to his birth the curia if you take into account that women don't report because of the extreme retaliation and it's probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military rape is a very very traumatizing thing to have happen but i've never seen trauma like i've seen from women who are veterans who have suffered military sexual trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished than the offender by hand and almost 10 year career or chose very invested in. and i gave that up to report a sex offender who was not even put to justice or put on the registry this is simply an issue our in violence male sexual predators for the large part have charted whoever is there to prey upon whether that's men or women.

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