thinks. we fear to ask. dot action or times you are going underground as a boris johnson government plan reveals what postcode 1000 capitalism will look like even if shortages of lifesaving protection for workers echo deficiencies in the n.h.s. and question the viability of an end to the lockdown coming up in the show why is it called me in this countries do so much better than capitalist ones when it comes to coronavirus cancer specialist professor carol sykora called the n.h.s. the last bastion of communism tells us why it's going to be difficult to read

nationalize private health care and big pharma when the lockdown finally ends or will coded to make it easier to democratize parasites of capitalism on wall street as we celebrate post pandemic evidence of a global slowdown that's the perspective of oxford university is professor danny dorling champions deceleration in his brand new multi dimensional analysis of the world we live in all the small going on with today's going undercover 1st with the u.s. and u.k. among the worst cove in $1000.00 affected countries in the world the race is on to find a vaccine u.s. president donald trump claims it could be available by the end of the year critics accuse him of the trumpet ministration and u.k. prime minister boris johnson the government of being lent to enforce a lockdown but professor carol sykora chief medical officer of private cancer therapy provider rather than health thinks they were right to be late to the game he joins me now via skype from london thanks so much for coming on you know when it comes to public health right in back in february trump correctly said and claimed

that the usa was rated number one for preparation for a pandemic britain which he didn't happen to mention was number 2 and yet britain and the united states are the worst affected in the world. they are we've got a lot to learn when this is all over now is probably not the time to do it but we go through much data to analyze not just how countries went into lockdown but also how they've come out of it today this very morning belgium has come out the printer on the streets people are in the parks they're allowed out for the 1st time other countries from britain have had very stringent locked out heavily policed in some cases fines i needn't rewards for people informing on their neighbors if they break the and the whole we haven't had that here it's been pretty soft how we get out of it is the big question now that we're all waiting for the art my belief is we have to get out of it quickly and so you recommend the lockdown ending

because i have to say in the countries where people are allowed to go out as you say draconian legislation although we are getting a new app apparently worlds with download here the tracks are movements yeah it's really a matter of timing and the grid ational search another was not everything happening next monday for example but rather staggering weekend goals with appropriate social distancing you know there's a lot of control was it about how far you have to be a pop to have social distancing w.h.o. recommend one reach out here were using to me just there's no signs behind all this it's just the 2 meter that was outed by a civil servant at the last moment where job just to make sure people would stay and he swung par now the app is very interesting and the idea is it's rather like a reverse tinder app you set of like someone you just like your void p.c.

that have been recently infected how useful it will be and how widely and be adopted you know one end you've got civil liberties movement saying this is great for the fringe macian one prove the same. and at the other end you got older people on the compound loaded up on the phone because they just watch electric and i be admitted to be one of those people and generational thing i'm afraid is the reason that you said the the government worked well in having a lockdown later and now your urging the lockdown to be stopped earlier because you're not that confident a vaccine is going to be created we've got to remember of course vaccines are not available for viruses willy nilly there are no vaccines for hiv after billions of dollars was poured into that project. and yet a child is under control and certainly in the more affluent countries of the world we can control it using a rock of drugs and so on a vaccine i think the predictions are all too soon the idea that we could be if you

know as in people in july it's ridiculous it's going to be next year after christmas we can't afford to stay the way we are until then we've got to sort of gradually release the number of people exposed to the virus and get the herd immunity way before a vaccine to come and also this virus is clever it could mutate at some point which would mean the buck that if you are the the whole immunization program would be thwarted because the virus just changes its code so it can no longer be seen so we've got to be something clever and you know who knows the swedes who never had a lot of restaurants are still open in stockholm all the way through their mortality their incidence is no different from ours so let's look at it again and move appropriately obviously sweden's what are the rates always far far catastrophic lee worse than its neighbors in scandinavia what i'm really trying to get at here is in whose interest is it to keep saying that we will have

a vaccine in july which is ruled out or even as early as in 18 months time because it is the neo liberal countries. where coronaviruses hit worst cuba vietnam 0 cases of death and china obviously if you believe the figures. much lower mortality rates than here in britain absolutely the only exception in europe is actually germany and that's probably the way they count the death in other words in britain if you have coronavirus tested for you and you guys got counted as a coronavirus death which it many cases it isn't many of these people would have died at the same time anyway without the current virus in germany it's not just the death certificate that's used it's also a clinical judgment by the team looking after that person in hospital as to the contribution of current to their own and i think that is the reason that germany

has a very low mortality but as you said stop britain and the us remarkably high for everything it may be that this country is going to learn mortality early in the pandemic actually overall mortality work ever stress it is their job to lock down catch up on the same total number of people die by the end which it could be because those politics are saying it is directly because of the version of society the britain the united states represents you're a cancer expert and you've always been on the cutting edge you've been criticized working with prince charles on alternative remedies and so on what do you make of these reports that there's something called happy hypoxia no accident saturation without any kind of distress and then ventilators putting people on ventilators is suddenly becomes lethal what do you think of all this anecdotal evidence that seems to be leaking out about all spittles are heard about it this very morning and i

rush for my oxygen saturation we critics find it who gets more calls to $2.00 a minute cheap and you just clip it on your finger it tells you what your saturation of oxygen. isn't the blood should be around 98 percent i'm pleased to be able to tell you mine was but i've heard about how happy hypoxia the idea you can drop to even 80 percent saturation and you feel great you don't feel bad you may feel a bit light headed it's like altitude sickness but it doesn't affect you much you don't have any symptoms you don't want to rush of the doctor or the pharmacist to get something and that can be very deceptive especially in old people of course i should tell viewers it's gone up considerably since $2.00 at oaks a meter on e bay or one of these a shopping sites that scapulars or is applied to moment you call the n.h.s. the last bastion of communism or last bastion of socialism is it intriguing that cuba vietnam china would think with obviously with the communist party running it

where you can probably get a oximeter for less than a dollar and their 30 made in jonah they seem to be doing so much better isn't this proof that universal health care system with all the inefficiencies all the arguably they're far more efficient than private health care insurance systems they're the ones forward for the next pandemic of to coronavirus i think the way forward is health capacity that would be the no or joe or way of looking at it the health capacity we have compared to the wealth of the country the us has too much but it's too high tech it's all about very expensive technology keep striving to keep people alive at old age from cancer from heart disease for all sorts of illnesses that are very expensive to treat at the other end you've got poorer countries that have very poor quality of health care and very little capacity and yet on this they've actually done well why because it tends to be the older people

people with obesity with heart disease with lung disease that don't survive in this and of course those people don't exist in poor cunt. it's because the whole system is not able to treat the brows on hang on there are surely outcomes in health care systems in cuba and for long for longer decades being better than in the united states you have a far better life expectancy rate in the cuban all spittle than ever in a city new york or washington d.c. or spittle absolutely cuba's the there are always out lies you have a normal distribution and the quality of healthcare critic grae depends how much money you spend on it up to a point and then you reach a plateau beyond which it doesn't matter how much you push you know this is what's happened in the states you're not going to get better results in some countries the system is so well organized and cuba is one of the systems where you do get the maximum gain from the money put in and puts a reasonable amount in per person in britain

a lot of that is wasted in france and germany we're going to be very 2nd there on britain it being wasted given that we spend less per centage of g.d.p. on health universal health care in the n.h.s. than european counterparts and off as much as the united states it's amazing surely that we have a national health service at all. well it's only because it rationed some of the great thing about public systems because i have to ration so you get waiting lists and believe me after this the waiting list for routine surgery is going to go through the roof you won't be able to get anything done for probably 2 or 3 years out of this and that's the problem with russian care where you stood in this country but when we get back to normal business it's not going to be the same ever again but surely if the questions to be asked whether we should nationalize read actualize pharmaceutical companies read nationalize our entire private health care

system all the health insurers that's the debate being had by quite a lot of policy makers not to further privatized elements of the national health service it would be very good. privatized the drug company with a multinational interesting debate is whether you can do something for the private sector health care providers and indeed in the next few months discussions are underway to try and mobilize the stair capacity there and you know i'm involved in the discussions from cancer point of view about how you can mobilize it to make sure bottlenecks don't occur as we get over this crisis and more and more cancer patients are diagnosed and we have to move forward like a lot of people coming through the same time so they're really important to try to get that ok what if there's no immediate sign of the british people's or communist party running our health service or our health companies even after brics it which would theoretically be allowed to. take over nationalized companies your it to

rather chief medical officer you said that testing for the whole population probably not possible we can't do it we know coronavirus is completely discriminatory isn't it i mean disproportionately it's the poor rather than the rich. is it up what do you mean by that why can't we test everyone and you're going to be testing poor people and not the richer people i think we have to test everybody and the reason for that is what you say this virus doesn't believe in class religion or ethnicity it it just goes the risk is greater in the over 70 there are gradations and so then obesity other medical conditions they're also part of the risk pattern now what we really want to the chest to know in an individual what we all risk really is and what precautions you can take but we don't have it but by testing we can look at how the virus is spreading in whole populations but

despite what the government is saying that testing has been disproportionately for the rich not for the rest of us though i mean 190 quid i understand it we don't test people so we tested our start and we want to do that always in no cost to them to work out how far the viruses spread amongst nonstop purely because if we had we wanted to know what the environment was like in terms of the virus then everyone's going to think that the right thing to do with n.h.s. staff haven't been porters and cleaners haven't been until very recently exactly that you know we don't control that but there's no doubt now is testing stations are everywhere and as we move forward and it just real scale of testing this development ever only will get it reza carol to gorup thank you. off of the right why is world population set to decline why are we living in a world with fewer and fewer technological breakthroughs oxford universities professor danny dorling tells us reasons for optimism after we have buried our

hundreds of thousands of coronavirus dead told us of all coming up about to it going underground. the underlying narrative some call it a myth of american foreign policy is the country's exceptional position on the world stage this is the part arneson consensus a lumber to reality is very different the global pandemic has demonstrated the us should focus on its own exceptionally.

welcome back well some of us have been slowing down because of coronavirus all around the world but should we celebrate the slowdown joining me now via skype from oxford is the author of slowdown the end of the great acceleration and why it's good for the planet the economy and our lives professor danny dorling danny thanks so much for coming on before we even get to slow down your appraisal of the boris johnson government here in britain and its response to coronavirus well it is a bit unfortunate because is unlimited a command economy and the point of view of britain it came as a particularly bad time they become a fairly competent cabinets if it's particularly nice kept the fairly competent injuries a man came in she couldn't eat then she had with the team and they were the kind of beat when bullies came in he picked the cd if you like and then remarkably in the shuffle done just before the pandemic so we had 2 sets of ministers who had

very little odd in what they were doing this particular kind of physical catastrophe and who ended up in charge who was the chancellor who will sectors they were how they knew about their mates will be noticed well we invite all of a. cabinet ministers on the program i don't think they'll turn up they don't turn up on mainstream media programmes half the time over they do give a daily briefings yeah you mentioned the fact that the pandemic was expected your book slow down was written before the pandemic and yet it says absolutely clearly that we will have a pandemic it's only tell me about why we were expecting a pandemic and why a pandemic. almost as part of a slowdown. globally globally. now well i mean it's been either thing in the world to say that and the mics are coming they always come we're always out of that it's a very we've had quite a long period around

a serious damage if you ignore the moment which is of a slow build. see the last pandemic of this kind was vital. so quite a long time ago well then if you 751 of the. 80 you look at other countries of the country who took the most atheists in as bill billions being stopped are they not in it was that the one irony is if you look at the previous pandemics as i mentioned the 118 what global g.d.p. i have been a book by 14 percent in 1980 but it was the next year by 60 percent 190 so historically because we were on the acceleration in the past and then it's didn't have as big an economical bet as we might of thought to most people come out of the 5157 or the 1681 which 1000000 people died while i could and fountains in america swept through this country by dark remember not be able to get out and fight date when i was

a baby the difference now 968 is that the world is already slowing down economically in many many ways for this planet and yet i'm a little east. and also we acted to the pound and it's so definitely the weight of the act it will fall so they will there's a quote there's a quote in the book from justin trudeau the care they view in the lead they're talking about as politicians so often do that we live in a world constantly changing constantly accelerating new ideas new things coming in all the time we have news of a new technological advance of it this is all rubbish you say in relative terms we are having decelerating for quite a long. yes varies by respect you look at in terms of innovation maybe these and mrs burton. these in terms of population since late 1006. 100 g.d.p. growth since the early 1950 s. today i was saying things are moving faster now than before but today appear to be

the slowest eyeing and you know the future will be faster is said without weapons and he said. but of course we have to be wary that this kind of book arguably obviously without the beautiful prose the beautiful graphics could have been written maybe environment germany good never have i mean we could have string theory multi verses and teleportation just around the corner in that the danger of a book that says that the slowdown right now is unprecedented and to be welcomed. there is a danger of getting an ass absolutely alone and you know trying to look forward to the future is it's kind of silly so little is constantly about what has happened and how the rate of change has already slowed and how our lives now more symons our children's than our lives were to our parents however we do know now we can all less certainly not get off the surface of the planet there is nowhere else to go

we're not going to be colonizing mars another world is going to try to example air conditioning made a huge difference to our lives the idea that we can change moves so that you can work in no matter where they are on the planet you can't have a number in the ration when you get the temperature we're going to temper that feels even better than nag a lot of the progress that we've had of one of changes and we find it hard to appreciate that the change is much more and as a more profound level from that example of air conditioning yes people watching this program before the pandemic would have felt perhaps disoriented perhaps disoriented by the austerity that you've articulated before in previous works of yours you believe that the global disoriented ness of people may be a function of the slow down. because our parents grandparents and their parents were used to incredible speed and change my brown haired little born before the

tractor was invented much bigger change the tween the childhood and the on danger of my. now when you become used to change things not changing becomes dissipating. we become used to economic growth we become used to getting more mall and when academic gross slows down we say for instance in terms of japan's been to the last decade we don't actually say japan is the end of places it's laid down early and now we're not telling people to default. and their future and death are not pay and any provision when they get old but you think that this slowdown could unveil the contract of say student debt of people worried about not having money when they retire from their jobs all these are basically contracts that slow down may uncover necessary that was slowly already uncovering a kind of idea is all based on ever increasing you know our pensions invest in

stocks and shares we find the stock market will get bigger and bigger though when i used to be known as future salaries will be so high that you know at least it off by now houses the enormous amount of monies and he's asking them to leave my mortgage because some people in the future. these are all holes in schemes that will slowly and happily fall down the pants it is trivially easy now to believe now to say anything pensions gains on stocks and shares wasn't a good idea and not in the world does it tell young people to borrow money to go to university is a very bad idea and of course most of europe doesn't that we are always obsessed by news of what's happening this week is we don't. obviously the key workers are very obvious during this global pandemic their shop workers cleaners porters and medical workers and emergency services you know very kind of the financial services industry do you think the slowdown will expose what you seem to

suggest are basically parasitic destructive forces on on life on earth yes the stones are not the was open up making a lot of yes yes not just last year a teenage go from sweden was going around the planet ecologically mammoth planet attracting a huge following of people saying this has to stop i grew up in the winter in which the head teachers the 2nd the schools and the local doctor were paid more than bankers. very long ago and the idea that the financial industry of london is somehow here forever and 3000 people more than a 1000000 pounds a year. that was unbearably anyway it was a matalin before current events love them is going down the hierarchy of global financial centers hard to do it breaks it hardly an inevitability and as for people

on television screens around the world in governments in countries all around the world talking about debt the slowdown exposes there the whole concept of debt is a kind of a myth. well there since that is another person's investments and which is. the growth in the debate that as i share in the book that is based on a more tedious things look at the degraded inmates that that has been slang for sometimes all those student debt in the us is there why is the use of i.c. and although mortgage debt is still rising it's not my business if we ask my says not going up in the way they went in the seventy's or only eighty's and even that on things like buying cars was slowing down but the debt was already fully and went all in the debt growth was devotion and welcome to a few people who invest in. the things that used to be a might perhaps we would turning into

a commodity there is no need for housing to be as expensive as it is nowhere else in europe or the system quite as bad as the system in the u.k. and hence we have the highest house prices of any large cities and the constant. ok weather has finally got to get to population that inspired lots of the bricks of debate here ironically image a great a fun book so many of these green environmentalist continually tell us oh it's the population explosion we have to be aware of this book shows it's those horrible tragedies like what happened in china when a $100000000.00 estimated die during the opium wars it talks about innovation ideas like wikipedia correlating that to fewer and fewer innovations but population fundamentally you're saying that the celebration of population growth is amongst us now it's a lie oh yes an old fart believe the only person to be saying well you all very bad

ideas on the back. but. population growth because the celebrate after $960.00 and it is a brilliant example of how we hold on to the fear is the path that we still worry about something which you could bash and you know worried about in my dreams it's in several cities of maine no sense running about now you know the fascinating thing at the moment is that young children born today will be the 1st human beings in it is it is the she's coming trend to continue to watch population decline with out war famine pestilence will play naturally because people choose not to have more children around the ideas that there are just 5 things that will not slow me this book i think that should celebrate that is the temperature of the planet the amount of carbon that we released in consumption rather airtight we were taking any mountain international master graduates and irenaeus 5 things that we're

celebrating and not celebrating there if anyone thinking that africa is the source of a population explosion as ever if it happens are detailed in the book about i.m.f. world bank reduction of women's education on climate change and what you just said because obviously so david attenborough would beg to differ. do you think they think now the slow down will enable humanity be able to work on the biggest threat which of course is climate change we will start to work only to the way the knowledge to climate change is nuclear disarmament. for my own life neuters of was the biggest most important thing that they most likely to kill as climate change is similar teenagers know it really matters matters above all else older people often don't because it isn't the word to go out with when they're young. you have kind of armageddon of one kind or another that's been marked off the millage years in the past now more scientific and little sense if you don't worry about

these things and then we'll each human beings are very very good. for president he drawling thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday 75 years since stalin declared victory over the nazis after around 26000000 soviet citizens paid for your ups freedom with that lives in jail then he would touch my social media by following up on you tube twitter facebook instagram and sound. and. part of the way.

well coming up us from around the world live from central london this is not a u.k. . the british government is under fire over the soaring coronavirus death toll the schools grow to ease the measures joined by a public health expert shortly. the russian president warns there is no one single template for getting out of the coronavirus crisis we get reaction from moscow. the scottish national party calls on opposition leaders to back a brick extension due to the pandemic which the government insists is not necessary i'll be talking to a former m.p. . britain's chancellor plans to wind down the firdos scheme saying continuing to

pay stuff to stay home is not sustainable but that's his campaign has warned that without more government intervention youth unemployment is set to reach the 1000000 . seek frontline health workers are protesting after they were removed from their shifts for refusing to shave their beards n.h.s. trusts says it's about p.p.p. fitting correctly i'll be talking to the founder of british c s. u k opposition leaders who has attacked the prime minister's handling of the coronavirus crisis after the country's death tolls sort of the highest in europe despite the ongoing lockdown meanwhile the key scientists who advise the government shut down the country has been forced to quit for breaking his own rules. as the latest. is

a boris johnson on the far in his 1st outing against the new labor leader. yeah absolutely and you see in weeks gone past of course boris johnson was recovering from the florist's and then last week he was welcoming the birth of his newborn baby and so for those reasons he wasn't able to assent troutman says questions until today when he went head to head for the 1st signs against kids starting at the new labor leader not just start with challenge the prime minister over a number of issues of caltech tracie testing at p.p. but also over the question of the death toll in the united states being the highest in all of your yesterday. tragically that at least 29427 people in the u.k. have now lost their lives to this dreadful virus that's now the highest number in europe it's the 2nd highest in the world that's not success or apparent

success at this stage at this stage i don't think that international comparisons and the data is is yet that he drove the conclusions that we want what i can tell you is that at every stage as we took the decisions that we did we were governed by one overriding principle and and that was to save lives and to protect our n.h.s. and i believe that of course there will be a time to look at what decisions we took and whether we could have taken different decisions mr speaker the argument that international comparisons can't really be made when the government's been using slides like this for weeks to do international comparison just really doesn't hold water i'm afraid that many people concluding that the answer my question is the u.k. was slow into lockdown slow on testing slow on pricing and slow on the supply of protective equipment. now we've got the daily death toll figures for the most

recent 24 hour period $449.00 people sadly having lost their lives after testing positive for coded 19 that takes the total to just under 30000 but of course we know that from the ins the office of national office of national statistics the numbers could be significantly higher went all other sources of data strips on to people who died at home and kept homes are also taken into account and they say what about then easing the lockdown will we see much talk from the government with regards to easing lockdown measures if not completely taking away those measures completely now the government they've been holding the downing street briefing in the lobby briefing today and a government spokesperson refusing to answer questions about reports that the government were looking to abandon that stay home slogan now we know that north of

the border of course scotland led the way in many ways when it comes to publishing their plans for example with regard to an exit plan out of this coded 90 lockdown but nicholas sturgeon saying that situation is still too fragile for a country to lift restrictions in any significant way. tomorrow is going to government must formally consider whether to continue the current restrictions then other 3 weeks as i have indicated of progress real is still too fragile to immediately ease restrictions in any significant way but we are planning know for ways in which we can gradually do so as soon as possible and more detail on that is set in the paper published yesterday if we all stick with it for a bit longer we will i am sure see more progress and we will bring forward to the moment when some of these restrictions can start to be eased. now one of the main proponents of the lockdown measures which seed in the united kingdom was preposterous neil ferguson from the period university sits on sage scientific

advisory group for emergencies but he has now since to down after it emerged that he was visited by his married lover and told us stuff at his home in law than one occasion he sucks for that reason he was deemed to have been going against his own advice and violating his own theories on how to deal with this crisis and for that reason his position became untenable and he admits that he made an error in judgment and is now what's to down as an advisor to the government is a thank you for that update on joining me now to discuss all of this is an expert in infectious diseases professor keith new york professor thank you for being with us the u.k. has the highest death toll in europe why why are we doing so badly 1st of all good afternoon to the audience yes i think we've done badly but i think we need to compare we're not comparing like with like apart from germany and russia we have

the 3rd largest population in europe and therefore you'd expect it to say number of cases but head of population occurred we would have more than france more than italy and certainly way more than spain the other thing is we have a very high population density and if you look at our figures it's the main conurbations with the rate of disease in london 2 to 3 times higher than the average for the rest of the country it of the non-confirmation areas this is if you look at what's happened in other countries france and spain both have big capitals in proportion to the stand population and they've been hit particularly hard in those parts in those 2 countries in those areas interesting burlington actually has a quite a small population of only 3800000 can. to something like $85000000.00 germans and of course we have to consider and we have to be fair on this that the figures all

calculated differently aren't they across the world so shouldn't the comparisons be made after this is all over i couldn't agree more and in fact the biggest comparison is we the britain itself were counting deaths in 2 different ways we're getting the daily figures and then we're getting the the figures from the office of national statistics looking at the weekly those on the death certificates that allows places like care homes where one or 2 residents had kovac 19 and then $56.00 more die to put on the desk difficult so the extreme example of this is belgium where any where that that county even suspected deaths as confirmed deaths so we're not comparing like with like and we certainly know looking at italy that because their hospitals got totally overwhelmed him in the north of the country was the south was relatively sped you know many people who never got tested along that point clearly most of the cases knisley occurred in

a small proportion of the country so if you look at the attack the the case rates for north initially they were sort of very much higher than the rest of the country and your thoughts professor on easing the lock down we all reading there is a chance of os going through a 2nd peak a 2nd wave regardless so what should we be doing i think you need to be very chaotic it's very careful being a bit of a mathematician what we mean by a 2nd peak if we let the lock down relax it a little and then a little bit more undo it a little bit more than we should have done the cases for start going back up is that a 2nd peak or are we talking to the same levels that we got to before we imposed just after we imposed a lockdown because if we were to do just a 2nd peak based on a small increase in cases. say from 100 a day to 120 a day that would be and that would be another peak if you really want to be

technically mathematically correct on the other hand i think people would generally mean if it was to mean i get a large number of cases put in the n.h.s. under threat the good thing is we should be able to avoid that because we know what works we just would have to go back to the complete lockdown or maybe slightly not quite as much because we've learnt along the way of releasing in small amounts finally from your expertise this n.h.s. is it really vital to the effort in following and indeed containing this virus i don't think because i'm socially isolating and i think i'm pretty low risk when i'm going to my public duty and download it i think the app has particular advantages i don't contact tracing and if everybody who's listening thinks who were there in direct contact with mainly of the family and possibly the old work colleague and somebody they might have known who the imagination to have done but what you will never know is whether somebody when you went shopping was highly infectious and you

could have been infected by them and the volunteers the at gives up the people doing contract tracing which i have 30 years of experience if we can find those contacts which are which you wouldn't who you don't know you don't know the name of the 10 people you were close to when you were in shopping the advantage of the british n.h.s. that over that provided by google and apple is it also provides some catering data which is very which is not quite as extensive as a south korean one but it will tell the authorities the public health agencies quite simply if we look at 2 or 3 people who test positive are in a particular area it allows us to get more information for contact tracing than the google at call one which is why i prefer the n.h.s. one with all it's an h and it be run by the n.h.s. and i therefore think it's it's part of an integrated controller strategy where contact tracing stay at home and everything works together to help control the

disease very good of you to join us thank you very much indeed professor keith neal . these kurdish national parties calling for opposition leaders to join forces and back a 2 year delay to the u.k.'s breaks a transition period to to the pandemic s.n.p. leader says it's not the correct time to focus on the trade talks it is right the toll of the political agenda is a paused as we deal with the priority of saving lives and protecting people's incomes in that context i believe now is the right moment to unite as opposition parties in westminster in seeking a 2 year extension to the brics a transition period trade talks between the e.u. and u.k. i meant to wrap up by december when the transition arrangement ends the government has until summer to request an extension but ministers insists there is no reason to do so and that is cabinet office minister michael gove claims they may accept terrorists on goods in order to get a deal through with the e.u. something the government has previously refused to do. it is the case that we seek

would be exposed but it is either a tariff 0 arrangement were it to be the case that the e.u. were to say you know what we did we can give you that unless you sign up to a level playing field arrangements and we said ok we're not signing up as we will have. regression coles is an agreement you can be sure about our standards but if it is the case that we end up like with tariffs on a small number of goods we will regret bad we will think it is a missed opportunity but that is the price that we have to pay then that we get. for more on their soil are joined by former independent m.e.p. for the west midlands andrew andrew good to see you today surely we need an extension given the current of our pandemic now arden police are and i think you know i think critical of the gum sounding of some matters in the past been here i believe they're right and these are the reasons we could have got a deal

a long time ago. and it but i durst don't think the e.u. had been acting in a fair proper manner right from the beginning you know if you remember back shortly after the referendum result the french prime minister then so we've got to teach the british a lesson to stop other people leaving and even barney has made it quite some years ago he wanted to teach the british people in others you know the consequences why i don't think it's been they're acting in a fair way is because we're really asking for a similar to you to what's been implemented for others like canada. and so it's quite wrong for the e.u. to say well you can't have that because you're too close to us that's really poppy crop illogical and highly damaging for the e.u. and highly damaging for us because what could happen is that we could end up with a crash out no dilatory and that's just simply reckless and if the u.k. not to ask for an extension to avoid that of course we should try and avoid

a crash now but it takes 2 to tango and if the e.u. are be insistent on being unfair and acting in such a silly man by insisting on teaching us a lesson then there must be consequences but if that happens we need to be ready for it and be actually take it as an opportunity to invest took greater extent in the u.k. industry and protect our jobs but there are sure that we have to consider the circumstances right now then we know the e.u. nor britain simply don't have enough resources to deal with this issue right now there's more than what we think it will hit next. i have to disagree with you that it doesn't take very much resources to say ok you carry it you can have the same deal as canada got to do is ever simple that the wording of the agreements already in place to be copied and duplicated over it is an intransigent signature to by the e.u. and sometimes i'm afraid when you've got one party being

a bit silly like that you have to be firm but fair and really even when i was in the yukon there were many people from outside the u.k. that really are concerned that bonier was not conducting matters in the right way and wanted him replace. ok but sir but again i go back to the circumstances there's more chance of a good deal later if we stay together now and of course boost economic recovery together there are watch for i've just proved that there are actual fact increasing risks of us delaying it and it would be printing more money in the e.p. the euro is in absolute crisis there's a bigger division between the e.u. members within the north and the south and if they're there if the e.u. the euro does collapse we will be in for a tremendous amount more of liability because of the warranties and we have you know we're not in the euro you why no but we are we have consequences of underlying

blood guilty for the euro. and very good to talk to you thank you very much indeed for joining us here on r.t. my pleasure take care let's have a look at the latest coronavirus figures as they emerge from across the home nations according to hospital data of the $449.00 total deaths in the record of the rise of $331.00 northern ireland sora further 14 and scotland $83.00 public health wales has reported an additional 21. well let's take a look at how the pandemic looks on the global scale and according to johns hopkins university which collects world wide data there are now over 3 and a half 1000000 cases over 250000 deaths and 1200000 recovered german chancellor angela merkel has proclaimed that the very 1st phase of the crisis is now over or she made moves to ease germany's knock down the italian prime

minister has hinted that italians may be able to go on a summer holiday this year as a country continues to gradually lift restrictions and it follows similar comments from other europe indeed as off to be reported a rise in the number of temporary bookings that says president trump announces the scrapping of the white house coronavirus tall small's he says it'll be replaced by a different group. still to come this hour. a meeting with federal governments the president wants there's no single template for getting out of the coronavirus crisis we'll be getting reaction from moscow and seek talks in the n.h.s. testing up to believe the shifts for refusing to shave that.

we go to work. straight home. so forth seemed wrong why don't we all just don't all. get to shape our disdain become educated and in gains from an equal betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. if you. can.

the russian president vladimir putin has ruled that there's no one single template for getting out of the coronavirus lock down that's as ministers briefed the president on plans for easing the measures of his ego should on off as the latest. it looks like that everything in russia is going to stay more or less launch the same as it as it has been as it is for instance the russian president indeed has said that there will be no lifting no stunt legacy of any quarantine measures and in fact he stressed that there is no blanket solution that all regions just apply and lives whatever measures they had in place on the contrary he every government that stupid strategy this strategy as to how to deal with covert 90 on that territories and those strategies could mean not lifting but on the contrary tightening the measures of the list. but i would there is no one in

a single template somewhere we have to adopt strict imagines and they should really maintain it can sometimes made even more rigid sometimes they can be eased out but that can only be done with your close coordination with experts and health care professionals which taking into account the goal risk factors we should not be getting ahead of ourselves any favor any misstep at the end of that as back we may risk the lives of others we will be responsible for that we are highly responsible for any mistake that we know they can get that let's not forget about it is that you look at europe. well the thing is russia doesn't want the progress that it has made a call that simple that 19 this thing to understand about the situation here yes russia is the new grown virus cases by about 10000 every day but compared to the

total figures the mortality rate is relatively low was specially if you compare the same biggest in the country he's so russian ones that people go he they want to save as many lives as also for instance more than just send all those diagnosed with all that 98 all showing in symptoms at all and they're not occupying most little beds instead they have the sheets it at home while don't as well medics and focus all the efforts on saving those who are in that was in a bad condition those one critical conditions and that sort of an example as to how russia could be carefully lifting the aunty measures could be said by russian capital the most to amaze your case about it has announced that starting monday construction and industrial firms will be allowed to get back to work stressing that no way does it need the lifting of the isolation isolation is also

russia's chief senates every doctor she approach. when did they release their line as to how russia might. might start lifting the might start nifty because the warranty measures well it decides that it is it time to do so and step one is to allow people exercise outside step 2 is to gradually open the service industry in steps restrict reopen the parks and the national parks and just the creation areas this is a very simplified version of what she presented but the general outline is this but so far it doesn't look like russia is close to this point it doesn't look that russia is just there yet. the british government is looking at options to shut down its job retention scheme which has seen the treasury pay $8000000000.00 pounds to stop companies laying off employees due to the lockdown chancellor she's seen acts said the furlough arrangement can't continue indefinitely but reassured workers that there wouldn't be a sharp cut off to anyone who's anxious about this i want to give them the

reassurance today that there will be no cliff edge to the scheme i'm working as we speak to figure out the most effective way to wind down the scheme and ease people back into work in a measured way as some scenarios have suggested we are potentially spending as much on the furlough scheme as it is on the n.h.s. for example now clearly that is not a sustainable situation currently these came supports the wages of $6300000.00 employees across the country that's nearly a quarter of britain's private sector workforce that means that over 50 percent of the adult population is now funded by the taxpayer and the crisis has also resulted in more than 1800000 new claims for universal credit. 6 doctors in the n.h.s. are protesting after being removed from their shifts for refusing to shave their beards according to the sikh doctors association at least 5 working on the

frontline were removed after failing tests for face masks they were deemed to be as in a risk group due to ill fitting people increasing the danger of being in fact it well there are no official guidelines insisting doc to shave their beards but the n.h.s. employer website says that bid stubble and facial hair pose a problem when fitting face masks if staff don't want to shave their beards they have the option to switch their shifts to non clinical areas well for more on all of this i'm not joined by the founder of british sikh nurses. thank you for being with us you can see why these n.h.s. trusts are doing this. yes in some respects account but in some respects like collins well it's a time obviously where 19 particular marks that we're talking about is the effort $83.00 which is a respiratory respirator marks you know doctors and nurses to poland because it's most the photoplay when it's locks tightly to the skin so really the same your

brain os the show your beard actually you know. which goes against the tenets that the religion sikh religion i don't know you know sikhs some sikhs we choose to go out and keep on cut her as well were you part of you know or our religion which we can't get away from horse of course one respects the religious aspect but it's all this is all about help p.p. effects it's got nothing to do with religion. on it well it's bit of both really to be honest i mean in terms of p.p.a. your thinking about control interests the patients and staff and stationery and spawns possible and spreading the infection is pandemic care as well but it's also about maintaining the individual respect and dignity about doctor or nurse and ensuring that there is no discovery. it's a workplace as well and you know doctors and nurses were bound departments to care for the needs of patients but this in this case you know the question of moral and ethics not plays

a major part whether you know seat doctors or nurses should remove the finance to do so and really to be honest it's a no brainer to turn around and say i actually see refused point of instruction and of course many would say this is a case of life or death particularly in what we're experiencing the moment surely you could make an exception here yes i mean the b.m.i. actually do say that you can make an exception here but there are some other solutions as well own terms of different forms of facial protection such as a poison or a surgical mask and doctors and nurses who are working and you know it's not right to you if you're in a pandemic can also have you know alternate and somebody to cover them during that time and there's also the possibility of count in himself and spent on treating cope with 19 patients as well and the b.m.a. are all for this as well as a savior for this as well and so i think we as much as we want to do as positive

work as we count for the patient and care for their needs i think we also need to look at ourselves in the 1st instance as well i think this is all religion this is what we load by i don't make a very sensible suggestion do you action a simple one and that is the alternative seems to be hoods or helmets visors what the course they come at a cost and then the n.h.s. is really strapped for p.p. anyway isn't it sort of the stuff yeah i mean at the moment very struck for pete the way kind of you know part of the religion for the sikh religion is that you know the sequence oceans give a lot of things. and it's quite a lot more guns oceans within the sikh community are actually supply the sikh doctors and the n.h.s. it's once a part of that could be used for you know a fellow state's attorney we don't need to you know go down the route of shaving or it's off to affective but approaching mosques on. good luck with what you're doing and thank you very much indeed for joining us live on. thank you thank you and

that's all for this i'll have more for you from now including the government's daily coronavirus press briefing. lead. time after time called her ration to repeat the same mantra sustainability it's very important it's accelerate the transition sustainable transport sustainability

spain over man out to more equitable and sustainable world. they claim their production is completely hamas. has nominal sometimes it does not the companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away and this is something else this must be going to mean and i mean look. this is the mood stimulus and we didn't dream and i'm stunned seemed to be based on disconnect with what is going to. join me every 1st week on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.