yes and all the care givers them out there giving care it's not easy in normal times you'd never do that but in this situation i think it's absolutely essential which you put the lawyer in a dim of those spotlight about those maybe few who do do wrong where people who are obsequious have done wrong in the sense of simple negligence so maybe the standard shouldn't be a total prohibition but it ought to be some willful negligence or some something of a higher standard than what we call simple negligence which means that a person does something that a reasonable person might not and that's actually a very low standard but it's the standard in the civil court of law today for most things so if you raise the standard then maybe you don't have to actually prevent the lawsuit you just simply restrict it to those really bad that violations that were somebodies grossly negligent or willfully negligent move to other areas trump on opening up the economy said we'll pick movie affected yes will some people be

affected badly yes but we have to get our country open art is that putting economics over health. actually i think they're both go together in this case the real reason we went to the shutdown and most of the places around the country had to go there was because we did not have the supplies the equipment the hospitals the doctors we and we didn't know how bad the virus was going to be so now we have a lot more we don't have everything we want we don't have all the to discus we don't have all the masks although they're being produced very rapidly right now but we have enough to be able to save a lives and and handle the situation of people kamil larry this country was based on risk we all took risks as americans years ago our ancestors anyway did when the ohio territory or through us territory was settled incredible number of plagues of diseases if you read back on history that our forefathers withstood lot of people died but what people lived they didn't shut down their businesses they went on they

accepted some of that as a reality of life so in things true of war we don't like casualties none of us do but in a way we're in a war it's not the same exactly but we are so if we can minimize them we save every life we can we take every step we possibly can do which we're going to the process of doing i think we have to reopen the economy because otherwise we're not going to have a food supply and we're not going to have the ability to to regain the status of living to which i think all of us want to or gradually have asia sam listen to your father. that's right and i thought about it myself and i'm up to 2 years of it not as young spring chicken anymore i mean one of those vulnerable categories but the reality is that i think that's something that is difficult for everybody when when somebody passes and i had a friend a very good friend very recently who died. i read it in the newspaper didn't

realize it's that happened and what did that sad yes it did and i think all of us are going to know somebody who's been touched by the illness probably somebody who's passed away from it and are going to be more deaths but that's inevitable that's going to happen whether to shut down or not and less we get some miracle drug in the next few months and we hope we do we just can't sustain a shutdown for as long as it would take to get a vaccine congress has approved nearly 3 trillion dollars in cove in $1000.00 relief as is going to be enough do you think. i don't know what the right dollar amount is but i think the sooner we get the economy going again the less we're going to need the question is going to be trying to help these businesses especially the smaller was survive some of it's happen for about 3 months but if we continue to have people not go out and by the way that's really a key to open the economy again you can say we're opening it but it people don't choose to take the risk themselves and go out and do social distancing and act the

right way the economies are going to come back quickly and so the answer the question is it depends if the we don't see a return at least a partial normality of the very near future there will have to be some work you know spending to help keep some of these businesses alive to do people to take money home which you know this is only a short term gain we've done even though it's a lot of money. your government decentest has said that they will leave function not include aid to states for financial obligations that predate the pandemic what do you think of that statement. i think he's made a very astute statement we cannot as a nation afford to bail out all the states propose and obligations that they've had the past i what's going to happen larry is many state revenues be affected dramatically and the consequence of that means that state services some of them are going to have to be cut back many states like florida have

a constitutional mandate on the legislature they have to have a balanced budget every time they can't operate like the federal government deficit so there'll be some really hard choices i notice that the budget in florida that was passed by the legislature couple of months ago has not been sent to the governor yet i think the reason they haven't said it's because they know they're going to have to go back to redress this and it may happen sooner rather than later . there are some 700 license nursing homes in florida the federal government is considering rolling back infection control recommend requirements and such facilities what do you make of all that well i am one who really believes that the nursing home level where you've got a lot of senior citizens you've got to be super cautious and i would read by regulation the whole literacy homes strictly accountable make sure that everybody who comes into the nursing home is pre-checked make sure that every effort is made to senate ties it is absolutely essential because if you're in

a nursing home you're not just elderly you've probably got real serious problems and any action of any significance is going to be potentially terminal a day after trump indicating the white house's taskforce would be winding down he tune in now and will keep working indefinitely while you make of that change. well i think that working is important and it working it definitely has a big word to say that the reality is that i think this all right i think you know you can't know for sure about a lot of these things the time there may the president's going to be 2nd guessed on a lot of things he says and does sometimes he says things that are quite outrageous i know that you know that and anybody watching this those that but the question is going to be judged on what he actually does the decisions he makes and whether or not the outcomes are satisfactory to the general public they're not going to hold

in my opinion accountable for being able to have kept this virus from doing the things has been doing but they're going to hold him accountable the public will for how we come out of it and what happens from here on i really think the next few months are going to decide who's going to testify before the senate before the house have a can testify before the senate what do you make of that why can't fall jettison 5 anywhere well he probably should be i think best political the truth though nancy pelosi has gotten very very acid in her views with respect to the president the partisanship over there in the house at the moment which is my whole body is the strongest on the worst i've ever seen and it came out of the pietschmann process that way and if you recall the night of the state of the union when he basically snubbed her didn't take her hand and then she picked and tore up the the address if you remember that on national television ever since that has just been really really bad so that's probably way doesn't want to fancy over there i don't think

it's to keep her out of saying anything and he simply because of the relationship and it being so harsh to control being under. under carter's riposte at the present time as speaker. what do you make of calling the senate back in the house doesn't come back with this pandemic going while what if you are a senator when you be a little apprehensive i think some are there wearing masks now which is good they should be doing that they are being cautious it is a difficult time and it's difficult to clean the whole place all the time to keep it that way but if you restrict the people coming in which they are right now we are having a public that visiting the capitol and you have a secure office area it is intermingling with your colleagues and hopefully the step very limited staff i think is doable i think this is like any other business opening and we are encouraging that to happen right now in many parts of the country so i'm really not against it i think i think the house is going to come

back in and soon probably the next month they will they'll have to. bill in closing i want to make of all this we never had to deal with that before what's it like for you your at home i guess what me and where are we going with all of this well it's going to be very dramatic larry yes i'm at home i've been at home working from home working remotely since the end of march early and mid march i guess and all of my colleagues are in a big law firm and they're doing it worldwide i think we come out of this several things are going to happen larry i think 1st of all that businesses law firms there are all kinds of businesses are going to do more remote working if they have that capability if they if they do the type of work you can do remotely i think a lot of office space is going to be empty which may be a difficulty for the economy i think that regulations in certain areas are going to wind up getting changed because in order for the businesses to come back they're going to have to change some of the rules many of the state rules by the way not

federal in order to let you know hair salons operate maybe somebody operate from a not one location but from their home or some other location there will be a lot of changes and for the near term i don't know what the long term is but i can guarantee you the near term it's going to be a very different world out there for us when we come back we'll be wearing face masks we should be and we should be distancing for the forseeable future now i do know there are some drugs in development that look very promising and so all the courses words that dr phil sheehan dr brooks have said or are appropriate to this but i am an optimist and never i was a ronald reagan hopped in the sun always been that way i feel very committed to our country we're free the greatest nation is true world we're going to survive this we shouldn't be down about it we should be upbeat we should go out and do our part but do it prudently be courses but don't be too cautious go out when you need to go buy something and there's a story that's open now where you've asked distance hope with stories of biting by

the rules but go go go give it you know go go pay them something and help that economy come back. very practical bill mccollum thanks so much always good seeing you bill good seeing you too or thank you we'll have more politicking right after the break. yes don the witch is dead warren buffett the extortionist private equity that job is recorded game changing the record breaking losses as berkshire hathaway is holding company goes belly up. something like she's taking the whole coast coming up. arms.

to try to defeat. the loose. movement this is a close to this law the city streets he needs to. welcome back to politicking earlier this week i spoke with former senator joe lieberman about joe biden's assault allegations and the trumpet ministrations response to the call that 1910 demick here is part 2 of that conversation what's your reaction. to what mike pompei also said there's enormous evidence that the virus outbreak occurred in a chinese laboratory. well i'm interested in it. secretary promptly obviously has access to classified information that you and i did and up and most others don't have access to. i think it's important to say that nobody is saying

that this was an intentional bioterrorist that china or anyone else the question is. did this start with an accident in the laboratory which was experimenting with where it says it will and there is as you know such a laboratory or it's most of the scientists and where ologists the virus experts say didn't start with with bats carrying a virus attacking way of animals in the in the wet market and then people this is one it's beyond our knowledge. of over it obviously can badly affect us china relationships and i think i'm very careful about our acquisitions unless we know for sure. that there is a 'd basis for them i will tell you this letter when we started our commission tom

ridge and i didn't start we were asked to be that it was run out of the hudson institute a think tank in washington. our charge was to examine 3 different kinds of threats one from an infectious disease or. the other from an actual bioterrorist attack by an enemy and the 3rd was an accidental release of a biological pathogen from a laboratory in the united states and we've 'd had those happen so it's certainly conceivable that this happened in china even in as slade a way you would think as one person working. in the hearing 'd and affected by a particular virus there are experiments with not knowing it growing are spreading the virus and then it just like for so through this whole i just hope we don't

get it to a shouting match with china as i can be good either country or anybody in it or how big. how big a portion of the election will be devoted to the cove at 19. i think a lot will. it's a but it's a really important question. i think that. right now if the election were held today. and i'm basing this on public opinion polling nationally and then some of the critical states west president biden would be president trump but the election is 6 months away and if the virus is diminished and people are going back to work and the economy is growing then i think it's really 'd 'd a jump ball and i wouldn't that it will be very close probably again

a lot of it will depend on how each of them campaigns in the case of us president biden. who chooses as a vice presidential which i think will be a very important. was strong statement that we had the greatest economy in the history of the world correct. i don't have it and i don't know if the basis for a statement like that is a man it was a great economy you were 'd wrong the markets were high look at this fascinating that and encouraging that. of americans go up and down the basically and going up well a lot of the economic data has been really bad but still are there are areas of strength in our economy and as a citizen a lot of money out there just waiting to be used productively so i think the market is saying to us now not today but over the last month or 2.

that investors believe that the u.s. economy is going to come back and that's encouraging and i hope that we can to. use it with him in the senate. democrats immediate thoughts on joe biden's current situation. you know it's as though the city personally a mass or 24 years of them in the senate is the strange personal to us of fate i was a state senator in the 1772 joe biden it's elected to the u.s. from though he's not even 30 when he gets elected $31.00 station will minimum age when he takes office in january 2 years later i'm running for reelection i have a friend in. new haven amish is a mirage harrison writes us and says how do you like to have a u.s.

senator come up and campaign for it so i can't imagine who would want the lowest it's a well i would serious with a guy in a job i've ever had him up and he was very 'd respected there together we've been friends ever since just flying human being. he knew how to make the senate the senate work i mean he he by the virtue of his personality the fact that people liked him and trusted him he has on usually strong relationships with republican senators you know people like strom thurmond but certainly people like orrin hatch. who as with whom he pilapil rooted to get some big 'd was passed so i have a lot of respect for him. do you worry that the made to movement will now attach itself to him you know if you were divided i mean it's look this woman terrorist

made a serious a decision i mean i will say to. myself from from. all these decades a moment joe or particular the 24 years in the senate and there are senate is like the behavior of the user even suggestive of the behavior that is the hughes's emote but she's come out and it's not easy and made them as biting them so. she deserves to be taken seriously in the investigation and the accusation investigated one of the most significant things in these cases is that is there a pattern of behavior i mean there are others who will say that joe biden did something similar and i'm so forward haven't seen it so. my guess is because of the way politics is that this will chase him and hound him this kid is right

through the action but i don't really think it's going to this how many people unless something more it's proven but this kind of behavior by joe biden right now it's just accusation democratic chairman tom perez says he still expects the party to hold him in person convention then milwaukee you think that was going to happen oh it would be great if it does and i guess the republicans are going to hold on i guess there isn't show in north carolina. but. you know it's day by day on a sudden to put that many people in one place if unless were really found of diagnostic treatment medicine or by then the numbers are way down i think it's best to be coarseness hero there are some people would say that the conventions sort of run out there effectively. and we hope planted different way 'd to nominate.

and the maybe it doesn't have to be a crowd like it's books it's an old american institution but i think that maybe a lot of people who are tired of it and accept the delegates will have a good time. do you think florida you think florida michigan pennsylvania and wisconsin are the key states. yeah they show up like you might throw in arizona. if you cancel when ever that's it i agree and this is a strange thing we have now you can't in the house to refer to the 2000 election so al gore and i got 5 and 40000 more votes and jerks worse 'd and that cheney lost electoral college with 3 votes. hillary clinton got almost 3000000 more votes the tramp in 2016 i forget the numbers when he went to electoral college but 030 or

40 votes so that's the way it is that's that's the constitution and. there are big population states in new york california which a are or prove predictably democratic so that's a good head start of the numbers with those states you say are the ones there are going to be the the battleground states 'd and when i said before the election were held today i think joe biden would when it's based on reading polls in those states was and every one of those states to the. joe biden is ahead some are quite closely floor some like michigan is built of some one to 10 point lead well i don't know that a whole but if it does biden is or makes president finally joe give us your outlook once the new normal developed like. i don't quite see it i mean i hope we were journalists march to the old normal as we as it was pretty good lawyer here in

america but for some period of time. we're going to have to figure out who things like the handshake and the go you know we were in rafts we've got a socially distance a bit we're probably going to be doing areas a meeting it's more on the line of doing you know before you know we used to larry i miss people i don't know. if there was somebody i want to be in a room with somebody i want to go out and have a drink or have dinner together and i think them that and you're not ever normal in there and so i think that a lot of where is this soon as we don't have a reason to be fearful about our health then we're going to go back as close to normal as we can. that may not happen so quickly if someone tells me it will larry's ok to go to the palm tonight not sure i want to go i know that's what separate is like that's what's happening in china is they claim they did stop the everest and they've opened up

a lot of things but people are coming out very slow. so it'll happen here too thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking or money you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. he said to it to cause a police so he put the can each other than the human plus one. soul but on the better side of that the book instant so that this isn't just one incident. a militia learning t.m. month us. who i feel strongly is the korean missiles from the course for new york which muses to that of ocean is just local. gut feel that the truth.

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greetings and salutation. when surveying the wide field of news these days one can stumble upon a 1000000 different plot lines whether it's another bumbled us lead chua temptin venezuela this time using former us soldiers toward mercenaries to the very real surveillance state inspired fears that are gaining ground with each new revelation coming out of the us government and silicon valley's plans for potential contact tracy. but it's the plotline that is with unfolding in the african country of somalia since the birth of 2020 that we will focus on today in particular it's the very under reported fact that since january 1st 2020 the united states government

through the pentagon's africa command has been conducting a brutal barrage of air strikes inside the battered nation just security dot com reports that in the 1st few months of 2020 the u.s. has already conducted at least 39 air strikes in somalia to put that in perspective africa carried out 63 airstrikes during the entirety of 2019. in fact nick turse the fantastic journalist who has consistently been a thorn in africa side he points out that u.s. africa command has conducted more air strikes in somalia than it did during all of barack obama's 8 years in office. yes my friends it appears that while the world has been targeting cold with 19 the u.s. government has decided to target small humans i remember back in early april when the united nations secretary general and tony will get better declared to the world that quote there should be only one fight in our world today our shared battle

against cold with 19 we must mobilize every ounce of energy to defeat it well get this according to an africa press release the very day that the un leader called for a global ceasefire the united states military was dropping bombs on somalia. wonder what our priorities are let's find out as we start watching all this. on a city street. like. this you always see. graves see this least systemic deceptions show which. brings up. welcome everyone watching the. winter and i was well made to look at this apparently during all this time fighting viruses we still have time to drop some bombs on some brown people around the world one thing us love to do that started

because when they remain 3rd we will always have but i'm going to try to disarm a whole populations of people particularly those that we pull for good good point very good point it's crazy i mean last year under president donald trump the u.s. conducted $63.00 air attacks in somalia that was the most ever in a single year since the beginning of the year africa when i was $39.00 airstrikes in somalia the command announced total 36 such attacks from 20092017 i mean that's saying they were seeing these numbers rise like that i mean in 2016 it peaked under about about with just 19 i don't know why we're dropping bombs on somalia in the 1st place like no one's quite you know al-shabaab terrorist whatever but this seems excessive at this point that 6 was going to be my question what is the reasoning i don't know what the reasoning was under the obama.