i've. told him to do so because those years when he said he should not say 75 years ago in the darkest is a human history has ended how has the humanity changed how has the collective psychology changed after the end of world war 2 to consider it isn't much more i'm joined by legendary film director screenwriter producer. byrne a heads up filmmaker producer screenwriter and actor really great to have you on our show today so many things that are going on so if in fact diversity of will work you and you were born in the middle of world war 2 you grew up in post-war

germany you've seen major change in the course of your lifetime do you think humanity is collective psychology has undergone any kind of significant transformation since world war 2. of course it's cindy frank she is now in the advancing and we live in a fella past and i still have a very strong ethical eye memories of the very end of the 2nd world war. actually true and that was not really you his memories start when you have 5 or 6. very 1st memories when i was 2 and a half years old it was very shortly only 2 weeks before the maybe 3 weeks before the end of the war before the german kept its relation. i remember that my mother wakes old up or they rockley up in the middle of the night and it was cold and

still snow out there she wraps us into a plank is both always in the rings in dresses up on the hill behind the house and she says boys i had to wake you have to have to see this the city of holes in him is. in the city over wasn't timed it was they knew about the city and it's about 5060 kilometers away and she said the city of heroes and his earning it be looked into it said of the valley the entire as you see when you have when you see if i you see the flickering and since it was so far away and it was so the entire sky was opposing it was orange and red and yellow and it was slowly posing a sky like this in complete silence and i knew there was something big going on

there was only 2 and a half years i knew this was big and i knew there was a danger out there and the world was different than what we had had so far and. i became curious what is the world all of. and then another shortly afterwards when the americans arrived germany's restraint constraint in strength in the east rest started to choke you paying to mean the battles in from the west british strange and americans and the area and in bavaria where he grew up. was one of the very last minute elements it was located in finally over and by americans and others saw me and i remember. i met for the 1st time a black man. and we had only knew from fairy tales whether it's blakemore is

the maurice and it was an african american and he was very very big he was this type of shaquille o'neal. basketball player very big very strong very heavy and he had a wonderful voice and i'm not a celebrity sitting with him next to the slopes behind i was and it was talking to him phallus and she asked me then you know what i said and i said this was a wonderful man you know i meet a black man and he smiled and there for the. voice a wonderful voice i remember is why and then you will be. more east africans they were wonderful people and they sank into me and until today when i see a black man in a seasoned type of shaquille o'neal well they're just like me and they have a myth. so those are very personal and those that stay with you forever. and

there are so many they like you little boys who are poor in the middle of it and even those who underwent the whole board rule to do you think not personally but as a collective psychology. has it changed for people over the course of 75 years do you think the collective psychology has changed since world war 2 and the few think that it has that how. unfortunately you have to speak. when you're a student grew up in the ruling say so we only knew there was a disaster it was a name to. an entire country older cities. into into degree into ashes. everyone in my generation. we knew there was

something not right in the real not b. and b. took a look at wanted him. to as. is something that he's not going to have. and of course it is alarming that we see. race is rising it's a dick and. you have. a right wing wolf. the right. we know this is dangerous and we have. you know about 2 years ago in 2018 a german foundation has conducted a study that was aimed to find out germans assy towards the past and almost half of that is paying part of told that they don't think things like holocaust can ever happen again. when i talk to my jewish friends that they're like oh we're not so

sure because people need to be reminded of that truss it is that when you know we went through all the time in order for that not to ever happen again what do you think do you think they did it the indication of instead of the people that will not happen again. good enough indication they actually want or do we need to do something esther to always keep it in your people's minds. when you speak of. but i can say in such a way. i have a life. and the guarantee. you see me in the story is you have me talking and it's a very simplistic if we have something like the stake in the holocaust coming up we'll take arms we'll defeat and. try to defend and

really maybe loose we not be alive anymore. or caustic and. it's a spray seen me so it's going to hit because it will fade back exit from the. bank and you really see you really see me. and then you may have that's a very straightforward and very strong reaction and a very honest answer and i thank you for that lot to ponder together with you. human nature for instance no matter how many atrocities for committed in the last war collapsing violence of people against other people is something that doesn't seem to go away any other how they as we are taking logically we still see a lot of violence around this way you think this fundamental meeting me share of being brutal to others come from is it survival instinct is it something else why

is it in a still there how involved we are think. same trees and same trees so scientists into losses and releasing so if you try to find out if. we only have we have. from the earliest time of human existence. and said speaking of that there has been violence against each other we have skeleton remains of coleman young man now. in the brace still there his. what if you have the head. case paintings for example cave engravings in the southern sahara with wars scenes in the union conflict armed conflict battle among many. in.

i would say i wouldn't say that it's in the nature of. collectively we haven't gotten free. of collective violence individual violence yes it's always crime and so is it is something which unfortunately is happening but the commission is meant to be good. as it exists in the human nature collective needs will not nobody has a full answer yet. of course we have to be very cautious in particular is we have instruments instruments that. extremely dangerous atomic weapons biological weapons. and because of that the 1st world war was so catastrophic because because all of a sudden the war became industrialized into armies met in the battlefield in the 1st days of the war with

a kind of civil case. and it showed oh yeah we have bold and brave and real face each other face to face like medieval medieval warriors they the storage in the shield and all of a sudden they were machine guns and they will. message altshuler he and i will a free hand and in the shock the shock was extremely deep in the shock of the holocaust by the way is so teen number one because it is unprecedented is no president in world history you know is anyone that's to describe it. if this. term holocaust it's not a real description of what really made it so shocking and so unique was that message. was industrialized it was an industrialized mess murdo 6000000 jewish people when we speak and up and see people for addresses

latin heartless what are the triggers and brainwashing the human mind to the point that one is doing all of those appalling things and it can move doing the right thing. it's a very deep question and part of it i believe is. a. collective narrative. today for example it's not so important why during the nazi time not that important facts we have. the narrative. demonization of let's say the jewish people the french russians the you just name eat. you see into a very clearly today. it is not so much when history is factually

happening it's the narrative and we have to be very very careful in what should have been. looking at the media what other media is. almost collective brainwashing going on no i'm not so there. will be cake in grabby have to be alarmed didn't have to be vigilant and we should. refrain from that will continue to happen to rattle your director screenwriter deserve better than that he may share. warsi with us.

so many 5 years ago the scourge of fascism was defeated in your of the soviet union and its western allies were victorious what is the meaning of that victory today what explains recent efforts to rewrite history and what it counts for the efforts to diminish the sacrifice of me by the people of the soviet union. it is the in. the war operation in downing water some of the wealthier neighborhoods it's been far more contained and the numbers are much lower than some of the more a neighborhood to start to see if anything we're working with can source

outside of the state because they're just so in their year so i think that it was. and we're back with legendary director bertha burton. one of my favorite karen philosophers. says that the worst crimes against humanity are committed by a banal and mediocre people who just got caught in a well into history and they thought was that it without really asking too many questions do certain stances make dillard's out of people or are going to war.

i think it's great complexity in fact. are going to his pointed out. i think is the 1st one and the banality of evil and this is a very very good job. because. there you know for me it starts. with. a very shallow thinking and very. existence is. if existence is slipped into power all of a sudden you have a very dangerous concoction. well i think back at our grandfathers you know marched off to boring 93 and it was not the extraordinary to them for centuries before that fighting a war in that traditional way of living normal thing that you were just supposed to do from time to time now when i should say 5 years of relative peace getting war

as our grandfathers knew it doesn't he says as a viable option in our european sakhi anymore or has just transformed itself into something else. it doesn't exist like for the grandfather. price by the macon is a scene of the warring the. biggest of all shocks. i believe today. scenario his strange day in particular because. very red beats delivery systems fainted very dangerous. to me medium range should weapons delivery systems back. coming back. very dangerous and. russia in no way culturally it belongs to europe i didn't find it completely. destroyed moment there was considerations even to.

russia into nato. of course it's history complicated repercussions would need to defend drastic say if this is a conflict in the far east that the pacific with. china. is too complex. a slope wrong that russia belongs. to when i say i say i mean europe culturally belongs to the poetry belongs to us i heard this a. yeah that more isn't as a fact ditto on covering who we really are shaping our own country nature and you've got several documentaries about war you shop teacher found about it 1 may discoveries about healing nature day he made while shooting the sounds.

i have to you know make it one film ballad 2 of the little soldier. in nicaragua. miskito india in 1000 insurgents. and. it was mostly child soldiers. boys 891011 years old. when you look at war and being fooled by children in they can't fight a war because they couldn't operate because cian got easily. and they can't use truth. for fear they don't have to be grown up in strong and. heavy built so the tragedy of seeing war is full of children is particularly. painful. and. in this case in nicaragua. it was. not propaganda

that brought him in but atrocities their families had suffered many families wiped out not being killed in front of. and on the next day the boy joins the insurgent. personal tragedies. you have to translate to you in an individual basis. when you. when you're looking at war. through true as human beings into war. propaganda. and personal experiences. study study wars with children involved in your very often in africa

your seed krygowski. would you agree that. something like more strives. brings out the worst and the best in people and what i mean is that like. for every time there is a betrayal and a murderer for his sake of survival there's a tale of someone saving someone a soldier jumping on a grenade a family risking everything to shelter a fugitive so many germans who risked their lives to actually have jewish people in their homes you know what i mean these are the things that he would actually do you think as you go on in your everyday life i'm just thinking i went something this basic strikes. everything that's any good on bad comes out which is would you say that it's a correct observation and i'll tell you why i'm saying this because i would take this to whatever is going on right now the whole condemned it and a colleague 19 and talk about how we are reacting to that because i believe 1000

damage is life and world war 3 where firing all of us the home all together and and visible enemy do you feel like. this condemn me has also you know transformed people because i see some people just like during the wars that my grandfather stop being ignorant being inconsiderate and others are risking their lives to save other lives and these are things that i would see during an every day day. he. it's good to move through to the pandemic because of course. al incineration is its new. be having tainted since $197918.00. and we have played here like in the middle ages. and in.

yes it will have sometimes it will bring changes in collective behavior at the moment we have. one kill she meant that is to simply in we have to separate into isolate ourselves because we have to starve the virus it cannot jump to any one anymore you have to starve it out. beyond that there is a clean behave to help. for the vaccine and then things will change the entire picture a change from that on. brings good things out in a can she legionella neighborhood. helping each other into hell we are collectively understanding and what is hard to understand is it spreads a strange is not in our everyday experience of numbers when you walk

along a street you meet one passenger it meets one person then the next in number 3 number 4 and sell the spread of the virus in a different message maddox's the linea you have you meet. 16 people at the next one is not number 17 but all of a sudden number 32 or 32 are coming at you and the next while it is not 33rd person 64 people are coming at us spreading it to $64.00 and then they send it in $28.00. and then to into into all of a sudden receive a few kilometer you know up to a 1000000 and it's not the no experience. experience is the number and indexes to sink in and because of. this too and the movement has to be disagreeing. but here it is just to wrap this conversation up you ask the visionary

as if the artist's little vision and he you know he makes films he who are driven by images ray what you looking back at this endemic see it is something that will transform the humanity how did it painted in a film if you were to make a film about it i think i should make a film about it but. not let's imagine. i don't believe. it shows. things. collectively. we can change some some very fundamental behavior it's not a big jump but in the interim and we can change our behavior and you actually see heroic behavior seeing people who were the 1st.

part of a study and get. intentionally infected by the virus in order to test. some sort of medication against it and those are their only people who step out of society very average people they stepped up and they say it has to be done and i really be the owner and she. said give me the iris in test you have vaccine. and i find they said most simple db is civil and heroic it's not just a gesture of because these people may die and heroes only those who have died. and that focus so much curtains and friends longer fall inside i really do hope we get to do this again maybe on a different topic but this has been such a breath of fresh air talent here right before the 75th anniversary of the victory of very cleansing of gold trust shows in sweden speaking. russia has lost more than

25000000 soldiers and civilians. in. the only real heroes those who sacrificed their life they are the heroes india have. over $25000000.00 heroes to commemorate and. i regret that it was germany that drew. all these contests are. rushing people but. today you know those things are possible and really married to a russian. and they you know were happily married to a beautiful russian woman for many many years to come face and what happened yesterday and stacy thank you may so much for black.

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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle 75 years ago this scourge of bashes them was defeated in europe the soviet union and its western allies were big tory what is the meaning of that victory today what explains recent efforts to rewrite history and what it pounds for the efforts to diminish the sacrifice me by the peoples of the soviet union. to cross not this and more i'm joined by my guest underneath me good on you and he's a professor at moscow state institute of international relations and in ottawa we crossed to paul robinson he is a professor of history at the university of ottawa and author of numerous books and russian history gentlemen crossed up close in the fact that me.