because this year is we so appreciate not 75 years ago this is a it's of human history and it's how has the humanity changed how has to come back to psychology changed after the end of world war 2 to consider it is a much more i'm joined by legendary film director screenwriter producer. and a heads up filmmaker producer screenwriter an actor really great to have you on our show today so many things that are going on so if in fact diversity of will work

you and you were born in the middle you grew up in post-war germany you've seen major change in the course of your life time do you think humanity is collective psychology has undergone any kind of significant transformation since world war 2. of course it's cindy frank she is now in the advancing and we live in a fella past and i still have a very strong ethical i memories of the very end of the 2nd world war. actually told them it was not really you hit your memories start when you have 5 or 6. very 1st memories when i was 2 and a half years old it was very shortly only 2 weeks before the maybe 3 weeks before the end of the war before the german kept its relation. i remember that my mother

wakes. rockley up in the middle of the night it was cold and still. she wraps us into a plank is both always in the rings in dresses up on the hill behind the house and she says boys i have to wake you have to have to see this the city of holes in him is. in the city over wasn't timed it was they knew about the city and it's about 5060 kilometers away and she said the city of heroes and his earning it be looked into it said of the valley the entire as you see when you have when you see a failure see the flickering and since it was so far away and it was so the entire sky was opposing it was orange and red and yellow and it was slowly posing a sky like this in complete silence and i knew there was something big going on

there was only 2 and a half years i knew this was big and i knew there was a danger out there and the world was different than what we had had so far and i became curious about what is the world all of. and then another shortly afterwards when the americans arrived germany's restraint constraint in strength in the east rest started to choke your pain to mean the battles in from the west brit is strange and americans and the area and in bavaria where he grew up. was one of the very last minute elements it was located in finally it was overrun by americans and others saw me and i remember. i met for the 1st time a black man. and we had only knew from fairy tales whether it's blakemore is

maurice and it was an african american and he was very very big he was this type of shaquille o'neal. basketball player very big very strong very heavy and he had a wonderful voice and i'm not a celebrity sitting with him next to the slopes behind i was and it was talking to him phallus and she asked me then you know what i said and i said this was a wonderful man you know i meet a black man and he smiled and there for the. voice a wonderful voice i remember is waste and then you will be. more east africans they were wonderful people and they sank into me and until today when i see a black man in a seasoned type of shaquille o'neal well they're just like me and they have

a myth. so those are just personal echoes that stay with you are. and their cell may like your little voice or more in the middle of it and even those under when the homework will to do you think not personally but as a career lacked it psychology. has changed for people over the course of 75 years do you think the collective psychology has changed since world war 2 and the few things that hass that how. can. one for instance if to speak of. it belong to a generation that grew up in the ruling say so we only knew there was a disaster it was a name to. an entire country older cities. into into degree into

ashes into everyone in my generation. we knew there was something not right in the real not b. and b. took a look at wanted him to and obviously it was clear to us. is is something that is going to have its longest life and of course it is alarming that we see. racism rising needs hate again and. you have. a rightwing wolf. on the rise. and we know this is dangerous and b. have to take a leave. you know about 2 years ago in 2018 a german foundation has conducted a study that was aims to find out germans assy towards the past and almost half of this page in part it told that they don't think things like holocaust can ever

happen again so basically when i talk to my jewish friends about it they're like well we're not so sure because people need to be reminded of the atrocities that you know we went through all the time in order for that not to ever happen again what do you think do you think they did it the indication of this study that half of the people sat will not happen again ace good enough indication that actually it won't or do we need to do something extra to always keep it in people's minds where larry. when you speak of. i could go and see. a. and the guarantee if. you see me in this notice you have me talking and he said very simply say if we have something like the stake in the holocaust coming up we'll take arms

we'll defeat and. try to defend it really maybe loose really not be alive anymore. or caustic and. it's a spray seen me so it's going to hit because it will fight back actually from the. bank and you really see you really see me. and then you may have this is very straightforward and very strong reaction and very honest answer and i thank you for that lot to ponder together with you. human nature for instance no matter how many atrocities were committed in the last war collapsing violence of people against other people is something that doesn't seem to go away any now or how they as we are taking logically we still see a lot of violence around this way this fundamental meeting me share of being

brutal to others come from is it survival instinct is it something else why is it in a still there how involved we are think. same trees and same trees so scientists and philosophers and religions if try to find out if. we only have we have. from the earliest time of human existence. and said speaking of that there has been violence against each other we have skeleton remains of coleman young man never seem to break he still there his. what if you have the head. case paintings for example cave engravings in the southern sahara with laurie scenes in the union conflict armed conflict battle among men. in. i would say

i would say that it's in the nature of fast collectively we haven't gotten rid. of collective violence individual violence yes it's always crime and so is it is something which unfortunately is happening but the commission is magic big. as it exists in the human nature collectively. nobody has the full answer yet. of course we have to be very cautious in particular is we have instruments instruments that. extremely dangerous atomic weapons biological weapons. and because of that the 1st world war was so catastrophic because because all of a sudden the war became industrialized into armies met in the battlefield in the

1st days of the war with a kind of civil unrest. and it shoot bold and brave and real face each other face to face like medieval medieval warriors they the storage in the shield and all of a sudden they were machine guns and they were. message altshuler he ended our free hand and in the shock the shock was extremely deep into shock over the holocaust by the way is so teen number one because it is unprecedented it's no precedent in world history you know is anyone that's to describe into. don't if this. term holocaust it's not a real description of what really made it so shocking and so unique was messing with. it was industrialized it was an industrialized mess

murdo 6000000 jewish people when we speak and but i see people for atrocities latin heartless what are the triggers and brainwashing the human mind to the point that one is doing all of those appalling things and is can they. doing the right thing. it's a very deep question and part of it i believe is. a. collective narrative. today for example it's not so important why during the nazi time not that important facts we have. the narrative. demonization of let's say the jewish people the french russians the you just name eat. you see into

a very clearly today. it is not so much when history is factually happening it's a narrative and we have to be very very careful in what should have been. looking at the media what are the media doing. almost collective brainwashing going on no i'm not so that's. where we kick in grabby have to be alarmed didn't have to be vigilant and we should think. we're going to take a short break right now and that will continue to happen to rattle your director screenwriter deserve better than that he may share. warsi with us.

so many 5 years ago the scourge of fascism was defeated in europe the soviet union and its western allies were victorious what is the meaning of that victory today what explains recent efforts to rewrite history and what it counts for the efforts to diminish the sacrifice me by the people of the soviet union. divided the. war operation in downing water some of the wealthier neighborhoods it's been far more contained in

the numbers are much lower than some of the more a neighborhood to start to see if anything we're working with can source outside of the state because they're just so 'd in their year so i think that it was. and we're back with legendary director bertha burton. one of my favorite karen philosophers. says that the worst crimes against humanity are committed by a banal and mediocre people who just got caught in a well into history and they thought was that it without really asking too many

questions do certain senses make dillard's out of people or are going to live for. i think it's great complexity in fact. are going to his pointed out. i think is the 1st one and the banality of evil and this is a very very good observation. because. there you know for me it starts. with a. very shallow thinking and very. existence is. if existence is like slipped into. a very dangerous concoction. well i think back at our grandfathers you know march south of boring 93 and it was not the extraordinary to them for centuries before that fighting a big war in that traditional way of living normal thing that you were just

supposed to do from time to time now when i should say 5 years of relative peace do you think war as our grandfathers knew it doesn't he says as a viable option in our european psyche anymore or has it just transformed itself into something else. it doesn't exist and for the grandfather. price by the macon is a scene of the warring the. biggest of all shocks. i believe today. scenario his strange day in particular because of nuclear weapons and very. delivery systems feinted very dangerous. to me medium range. delivery systems back. coming back. very dangerous and. russia in the way culturally it belongs to europe

i didn't faint it completely. destroyed the moment there was considerations even to ensure restoration to nato. of course it's history complicated repercussions would need to defend drastic say if there is a conflict in the far east that the pacific with. china would need to defend and so on so it's too complex. idea is still prong that russia belongs. to when i say i say mean europe culturally it belongs to us the poetry belongs to us i heard to say that more is than as a threat to tell on covering who we really are shaping our own country nature and you've got several documentaries about war you shot the chip downs about it 1 may

discoveries about healing nature they have made while shooting itself. have to. make it one film ballad 2 of the little soldier. in nicaragua with. miss key to india in 1000 insurgents. and. it was mostly child soldiers. boys 891011 years old. when you look at war and being fooled by children in they can't fight a war because they can operate machinery easily. and they can use truth of warfare they don't have to be grown up in strong and. heavy built so the tragedy of seeing war is full of children is particularly. painful. and. in this

case in nicaragua. it was. not propaganda that brought him in but atrocities their families had suffered a. family wiped out not being killed in front of 8 year old boy and on the next day the boy joins the insurgent. personal tragedy so. you have the tragedy on an individual basis and i think when you. when you're looking at it warrior. draws human beings into war. propaganda protocol and and and personal experiences. study study war as children involved in your very often in africa your seed quite

often. very. when something like worst drags. it brings out the worst and the best in people and what i mean is that like. for every time there is a betrayal and a murderer for his sake of survival there's a tale of someone saving someone a soldier jumping on a grenade a family risking everything to shelter a fugitive so many germans who risked their lives to actually have jewish people in their homes you know what i mean these are the things that you would actually do you can as you go on in your everyday life i'm just thinking they went something this basic strikes. everything that's in the good on the bad comes out which is would you say that it's a correct observation and i'll tell you why i'm saying this because i would take

this to whatever is going on right now the whole condemned it and a colleague 19 and talk about how we are reacting to that because i believe $1000.00 down it is like a world war 3 where fighting all of us the whole world together and visible enemy do you feel like. this condemn me has also transformed people because i see some people just like during the wars that my grandfather stop being ignorant being inconsiderate and others are risking their lives to save other lives and these are things that i would see during an every day day. it's good to to move truer to the pandemic because. i would sooner a new. 19171918. if you take place in the middle ages.

yes it really. it really bring changes. collective behavior at the moment we have. one kill she meant that is to simply in we have to separate into isolate because we have to starve the virus it cannot jump to any one any more you have to starve it out. beyond that basically in behave to help. make seen then good things will really change the entire picture a change from that on. brings good things out in a can she legionella neighborhood. helping each other and how we are collectively understanding and. stained. it. is sprayed. every day experience of numbers when you walk

along a street you meet one passenger you need so that one person then the next in number 3 number 4 and so the spread of the virus is in a different message magic's is where the little you have you meet. 16 people the next one is not number 17. with 32 or 32 are coming at you and the next one let's note 33rd person 64 people are coming at us spreading it to 64 and then they send in 28 and then 2 into and all of us agree with him a few were. up to a 1000000 and it's locked in now experience. experience is the number and index has to sink in and because of thanks. to his to at the moment has to be

disciplined. but here it just arrived at this conversation at the visionary as the artist's little vision and he you know you may feel he you are driven by images ray when she was looking back at this pandemic see it is something that will transform him that how do you get painted in a film if he were to make a film about him. i think i should make a film about it but. not let's imagine. i do believe. it shows certain things. collectively. we can change some some very fundamental behavior it's not a big jump but in the interim and we can change our behavior and you actually see heroic behavior seen on television people who were the 1st.

part of a study and get. intentionally infected by the virus in order to test. some sort of medication against it and those are there only people who step out of society very average people they stepped up and they say it has to be done and i really be volunteer and please give me the iris in test you have vaccine . and i find it said most simply. dbus civilian heroic it's not just a gesture of because these people may die and heroes only those who have died but i'm afraid he's so much certain cinci from his longer full insight i really do hope we get to do this again maybe on a different topic but this has been such a breath of fresh air talking to you right before the 75th anniversary of the

dictator very thrilling thing about the dress shows in sweden speaking. russia has lost more than 25000000 soldiers and civilians. in. the only real heroes those who sacrificed their life they are the heroes india. 25000000 heroes to commemorate and. regret it it was germany that brought all these contests to. russian people but today you know those things are possible and they really married to the russian . and they you are a happily married to a beautiful russian woman for many many years to come face and i'm happy here today and stay safe thank you.

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