disorders allergies we are actually creating these problems it's a huge epidemic of problems i believe can be linked to a very simple problem of diet and some dog owners tell heartbreaking stories about their pets less treats the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making it a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research. hello and welcome to crossed off we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle with good reason public discourse is focused on addressing and finally containing the

coded 1000 pandemic now the focus is on devastated economies we're in a recession will it morph into a depression will the recovery be a u. . or an l. . shaped across uk economic recovery i'm joined by my guest benjamin cowen lubbock he is the director of the free market institute professor of economics at texas tech university as well as a senior fellow with the independent institute and in los angeles we cross to blighty and he is an independent economic and geopolitical analyst as well as a former commodities trader all right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated let's go to los angeles 1st here i said in back of my introduction i guess probably the most important question there is as we come out of this pandemic and. it's all going to

be about the economy and it's everything we're going to think about for the next few months if not years is about recovery so infer a very simple question will it be a v a you or in hell go ahead well we've been in an l. shaped depression since the 2008 financial crisis i mean only that true economic data on unemployment inflation g.d.p. and the like have been warped or hidden outright while the fed pumped up the stock market to give the appearance of a genuine economic recovery and we've been in a structural downturn rather than a typically cyclical recession and those aren't easy to get out of all of us since february is essentially marking to market if you will of collective economic mattrick as the fake money pumping charade is being wrapped up in favor of a longer term plan monetary paradigm shift our right and i remember the last time we spoke we were talking about the turbulence in the oil market the oil price that

that seems like a kindergarten play to consider considering what's going on now ben let me go to you the same question a you or 'd an l because that will really dictate what kind of policy is necessary to get out of this lump go ahead ben. well i think policy has a lot to do with what type of shape it is so right now we're in a clapped line and that's because we have a shutdown orders that are essentially telling people not to produce so the question is when shutdown orders are lifted what is normal economic activity and recovery look like and i don't think it looks like a of b. because that would imply that we're going back to the economic role we all lived in at the start of the year but the virus is still going to be with us so opening back up means taking account of that and weighing that in our economic transactions so restaurants working at half capacity or 3rd capacity whatever customers and

entrepreneurs do you say airlines that much less than capacity all of these things don't abide by bouncing back to where we were now i think what's important is that we don't have dumb government policies preventing entrepreneurial solutions that let us make our recovery as quick as we can and that stick us in how so it's somewhere more like a you somewhere in between but that's really got to be for the market process the sort out you know came that seem that cycle about the market here you know pie we have now as we speak and i think it was as of today 26000000 people over the past 5 weeks have gone on unemployment and the this is massive i mean if someone would have told me this is a scenario what it does i would have been in comprehensible to me a month and a half ago and now. what needs to be done because that these are the people that consume in the get out of a slump you need a lot of consumption and you know i know that there's been

a potential aid being sent directly to individuals but it seems to be a pittance because most people will use that allowance from the government to pay off debts more than anything else than consume and ben is absolutely right i mean just because you open up. economy doesn't mean this pandemic has been completely nailed down and vanquished and i still think people will be very very hesitant to go out in public and consume even if they have the money and having the money is a big if right now go ahead by having the money and money i say increasingly in quotes some may have certain banks in the south and southeast outright revolting wanting to get back to work and try and dilly dallying and flip flopping between supporting them versus not whereas the northeast the northwest the west where i am just diligently by the book following whatever the government mandates i mean i think there's a wider plan afoot because that mega banking and white or corporate

conglomerate of stablish and swanton need them all of these smaller companies for instance to fail small businesses will soon be vacuumed up by banks they owe debt to already merged into larger corporations under forced. right monopolies in each industry it's a repeat essential of the consolidations which took place 12 years ago only on a larger scale so these banks these mega banks for instance j.p. morgan wells fargo b. of a they're being sued in class action tellingly for funding large or small businesses then smaller businesses with this paycheck protection program p.p.p. before that $350000000000.00 in federal funds ran out why has the smallest small businesses don't pay these banks as much in fees as the large or small businesses quote unquote this is yet another unsustainable contradiction in the modern

economic system where clear socialistic government handouts are nonetheless being prioritized through private institutions foremost by their profit motives i mean all this stuff begs deeper questions yeah it's a man and you know i hear only a lot about. democratic socialism and all that and i lived in eastern europe during communism and i know what that's about ok so i don't really want to go that direction you know but the interesting thing is the banks are picking winners ok i mean it is very socialistic in that way because it's not the it's not the market picking winners it's individuals with their very specific interests in mind in the course that is profit here and being the big supporter of entrepreneurship in small and medium sized businesses because as a conservative that is the very raw base of a civil society and i'm terrified to see these unemployment numbers and i'm terrified to see these small businesses go out of go out when fail and this

consolidation here more inequality and we don't need to go in this direction what policy would you suggest to avoid that because it may be even too late for so many of these businesses go ahead so let's bring it back i don't think we have a consumption problem what we have is a supply problem where people have been ordered to stop supplying things to the market to cease work and that's where unemployment spike comes from and that's the heart of all of our problems including the small businesses because i agree completely it's a travesty what's being done to them right now but rather than government bailouts for businesses what we need is to be entrepreneurs including and especially small entrepreneurs to figure out how they can best serve consumers and who want to do that and then and of course the banks if the banks are avoiding them letting them just. just fade away i mean how do we take the banks out of this because they're the ones that are calling the shots go ahead ben. but we stop borrowing government money through these banks to do it that instead of our banks it rivers and losers

based on profit and loss and the problem is when you socialize losses through or through the government it's ceased being a profit and loss estimate reallocates resources efficiently so government i think is going up that works in this process now we need to get back to business as usual in order to go hard and that will mean some bankruptcies both the small and large firms the key is that you want to collect the labor and capital market to reallocate those assets to where they can best serve consumers as quickly as possible. but i but you know you know in looking at this entire saga over the last few weeks in i think it's absolutely shameful that congress goes on vacation you know will come back when there's an emergency that there's 26000000 emergencies out there right now ok i mean they were very quick to pad their own pockets and their friends and their special interests here and now they're still grieve thinking about how to continue dealing with the other parts of the economy what we're

talking about small and medium sized businesses they don't to seem to feel the fire on their under their feet to deal with that they took care of their friends and themselves right off the bat like in 2008. yeah i mean it's 2008 and in a certain sense it was just kind of like a dry run of sorts for this multiple and all means and forms of what happened then you have to consider since 2008 i mean the money that the fed i mean the fed drove something like 93 percent of the stock market run since the 2008 financial crisis meanwhile re-align employment was in double digits real inflation was much higher than what they stated that it was real g.d.p. which is much lower than it was you know it's lies damn lies and statistics as the trite phrase at this point goes by do you know just since february again you know flipping the switch off in the living room that's the equivalent of what the. what

the powers that be have done essentially to. the economy so they're no more corporate stock buybacks as of this point after february's lockdowns so expect further eventual hemorrhaging within the stock market this is all meant to further benefit the ruling trans-atlantic alit which thinks in terms of app extend plans accordingly it's aimed partly to call a portion of the population while conditioning the yearning for the non means tested quasi universal basic and come via digital currencies for the millions of unemployed who fall into destitution. cashless society is planned which has been sought for for years if you think about it by transnational banks the i.m.f. that b.a.'s in switzerland is maggette institutions will be and should they'll be introducing a cashless society after the modern dollars reserve status and the currency collapses under aggressive inflation and mass treasury bond dumping globally which is already in procession i mean before this corona virus pandemic hit us private

debt was over 150 percent of g.d.p. with corporate debt being like 73 percent and finance generally was like at 350 percent of g.d.p. completely brittle. sustainable system we had where most dad at this point will be non serviceable under a depression triggered by stay at home orders so homelessness will spike even further as will infrastructure decay plagues crime and public riots anarchy and small businesses again going away near entirely it may sound extreme but if if you were to say that there would be lockdown orders and nobody would be able to go to work let alone to their family members 3 months ago that would have sounded extreme well ok benjamin yeah i saw it thank goodness we're doing it on skype because i can see your expression go ahead and jump in reply go ahead. yeah i mean that was a mouthful. i don't share these big mister. assumptions about how things are going

to go forward i mean i do think it's all a sea contingent and i agree with you completely that this this shutdown water was like a light switch shutting off the economy or a large chunks of it that's detrimental to all of us but i think turning the light switch back on doesn't throw the power back on the way it wasn't january but our trip on earth through this process begun small banks big and small will figure out the ways to serve consumers and bring supply to market as long as government doesn't get in the way this market process i think was recovering relatively well post post the great recession i agree completely there was crony bailouts during the great recession for those political elites and those connected but that's largely washed out of the system now we're going forward rather productively and that's what i expect to happen if we go back to make you know a really didn't have to go to a heartbreak and after that heartbreak will continue our discussion and economic recovery.

answers financials i don't find any i promise i'm with you. as a last some of my eggs in the future cracker. are some 3. 1000000000 and you have a little people 1000 people blurry members i think that at least have to keep prolific schools but he's going to be in the group who we know was really grew earth beach. in the. business which was when the president. was there well they knew the a need he shoots it they'll ask for. how are you going to survive how are you going to protect yourself a little bit feel cools off your phone if you up with the flu than the old look of

well that is true and it was quite a few of. you on the corporate will feel a little for. this because i just don't see what i'm. saying. is wrong it's using technology where they've been able to make x. use people's private information on the cell phones and see what you've even if you have crossed paths with somebody who is positive want to run a virus and if you are if you have a meeting seen your message because part of somebody has tested positive keys you must be in i mean tina. but i think that there was interesting seeing is that all people are or are in the same situation. welcome back to crossfire of things are considered i'm peter lavelle we're

discussing the recovery of the economy. ok i'm going to go back to you because i think you know then a number of programs on this particular topic just looking at it from different trajectories and i think one of the most the probably the most common denominator in all of these programs i've been doing on this topic is it is the government doing too little or is it doing too much ok the end it seems to me that everybody has a very strong opinion about that we can all use the same numbers and we can you know look at unemployment we can look at debt but then it's always not you know that tool box of the government house really doing enough or they doing too little go ahead bob. that's an excellent question and really. points to other questions over the role of government and you know these these pillars ideological pillars over

the past 200 years of communism socialism and corporate capitalism market fundamentalism what is the meaning there of you know the february shutdown is is just rapid bringing up to pace of you know really these questions over the role of government because the government more or less hand in hand with the with private institutions like blackrock or pimco. you know married to the treasury and the fed are essentially dictating everything not just geo economics but politics domestically than geopolitics if you think about it but under the auspices of this of this pandemic of this massive crisis or as it's just you know really piecemealing of its role prior crisis not again and prior to the 2008 financial crisis crisis the 2000 dot com burst you know and greenspan's role and hike you know dropping interest rates artificially and aggressively you know void deflation

it's like what is socialism versus a genuine market fundamentalism in genuine free market capitalism when you have this quote unquote free hand free hand in the market not being so free and basically dictating so much if anything february showed overtly the very you know socialistic direct involvement of central banking and hybrid public and private banking and dictating the mors of our existence to our i don't care how efficient you run your company you're only 20 people i mean you're literally being put to the back of the line versus she you know shake shack for instance which you know is still making money is still bringing in revenue whether takeout or otherwise and yet you know they get pushed to the front of the line because the relationships column crony esther otherwise but it's like where's free market versus where it's not it's you know it's all met to synthesise towards further

hybridisation of what we would know classically as market fundamentalism versus just straight up you know giving $2000.00 a month to folks that are destitute and or sick and not putting them into poverty traps where the same time questionably limiting them from all of a sudden wanting to become entrepreneurial wanting to become elon musk wanting to learn. and in advance these are bigger questions that are just being brushed to the sidelines because again you don't want to get sick and ill and die so those you know it's like there's purposeful confusion so that people aren't able to think lucidly and rely further and further emotionally and psychically on government which transcends issues involving classical ideological definitions yeah i mean in the me in set yes it makes you kind of request question again so many assumptions here you know ben you know the thought of just sending out checks to individuals

you know $1500.00 and you know $2500.00 to a family i mean if someone suggested that to me to with a 2 or 3 months ago my instinct would be in no i mean use the tax code ok giving money is something i don't really like doing now i've had a conversion because i see all of these people massive number of people a growing number of people they need cash in their pocket just to reboot even if it's a one time thing which i still think is very small here i mean i'm just trying to point out how i have changed during this crisis because something that i would have not would have been very not agreeable with now i'm thinking you need to do more of it because you know we if we were getting revoked when we had to get on the right foot instead of having an elbow him probably be a you but it's certainly not going to be a v. it's certainly not going to be a b. if people can't consume go ahead ben well it's certainly not going to be if they can't produce so this cash handouts you've got to remember it's government has

ordered people not to work so big sound something. new on this might be changing from before just giving a cash handout when the government's actually doing the harm to the people but of course the government has no money of its own it has to take it from somebody else somewhere else either through inflation taxing or borrowing and we're seeing with this happening with borrowing now i think your question is the government doing too much or too little. has been doing too much and for too long and in too many important sectors particularly as it relates to this crisis the health care sector is one of the least market oriented sectors in the us economy is heavily regulated and we have seen regulatory failures in that. whether it's the c.d.c. claiming a monopoly on having tests that botching the testing that puts the u.s. a month or so he i'm worried should have been or what we are sitting is some government regulations being rolled back now to allow more market forces and health

care and i think that's a good thing whether it's some relaxation he's an speedier the food and drug administration whether it is this regulations that are being rolled back on practicing tele medicines or not as many people have to go to emergency rooms whether it's relaxing of occupational license or laws medical licensing so doctors can practice across state lines i think these are things that make our house that these regulations that were in place make our health system less flexible and able to deal with something like this and that some of these temporary rollbacks need to be made permanent so that we can have a greater market forces of health care not meanwhile other policies going the exact opposite direction president trump is right now to looking at signing an executive order to cease all immigration for 60 days but you know almost a 3rd of physicians in the united states are horrible warm and they are much smarter policy would be issue a lot more visas to any foreign born doctors or health care workers and waive our licensing laws so that their foreign credentials can allow them to practice things

like this that and introduce markets into the sector where we need it most will reduce government's role expand markets i think would make us all a lot better off you know one i think the in the in the immigration ban was very poorly thought out i mean particularly good to what now 3 different versions that have come out since then again very very murky and it i don't think it is lastly. your ship i have to say the truth and it's true. you know you we've already mentioned 200-2009 now we're here what are the structural inefficiencies that we have to deal with because when you just think about i mean we all remember 20082009 that was a pretty horrific experience it was something we've never seen before and now we're seeing a repeat in a different way and all of the job gains have been lost since 2009 and gone now it's that that's hard to conceive ok and i see one of the things i favor very

disturbing is and you know there's this glorification of the stock markets and indices and all that i mean i think it was 2 weeks ago when they had 20000000 unemployed and then but look how beautiful those markets are there is some weird disconnect there i mean particularly when people are looking at their own lives and they're most of our not participating in any of these markets stock markets at all and you see a you see corporate media you know they glorify the course president that was his you know signature thing look at the markets well he can't do that anymore i mean what is the disconnect there because what is the markets have to do with average people anymore go ahead. really quickly and address your other guests point you know everyone can through regardless of state regardless of sub culture region everyone could abide by precisely what the c.d.c. the who the government is stating and completely solve koren teen and you wonder if

there will be a quote unquote 2nd phase of this illness out in the fall or winter practically being promised by the folks that are put in charge here the language that they're using really further. raise question marks over is this thing actually beatable is it in fact prescribe in certain senses to address your points. you know agree for the most part there are over 5000 federally insured banks and savings associations in the united states yet the 5 largest banks matter most obviously in terms of both the fed and treasuries policies as well as and how skyrocketing systemic risks are concerned and viewed there's vastly higher leverage now certainly than in 2008 and yet the government has tactically shut down the economy seemingly because of a very aggressive newly concocted flu virus citi group j.p. morgan morgan stanley b. of a goldman sachs per the comptroller of the currency i want you to note this 8 years

and 2019 each of these 5 mega banks held something else like at least 30 trillion of notional derivatives each representing 83 percent of all banking derivatives this is a fiscal powder keg i mean the owning powers behind these banks and that's essentially national central banks are pulling the plug now performing a controlled demolition if you will of unsalvageable debt and it fizzes and other structures in this wider economic system the fed already pumped over 9 trillion into this broken repo market since september 17th i think of 2009 big banks will get another 4 and a half trillion in bailouts due to this shutdowns of facts means main street. meanwhile will get a 4 sickle fraction of this the same as 12 years ago as far as patterns are concerned i.e. a massive further wealth transfer taking place to a small elite in route to collapsing the system to erect a new post debt jubilee written and rewritten and wire meant with an entirely new

monetary system yet but that that is not politically viable ok i mean that is completely divorced of the life of everyday people and i see a little bit who want equality and that's going to let me go to bed and go ahead rapidly running out of time go ahead. peter then i'll make this route but there's a. simpler explanation for the phenomenon that you're pointing out of stock market and labor market looking different and that's the stock market's forward looking at who thinking about what the future stream of income is going to be from all of this business the current labor market the jobs haven't disappeared people have just been told you're not allowed to do that that's where the unemployment is so as soon as the government starts saying you're not allowed to do them a lot of these jobs reappear not all like i said we're not in to be going back to january but a lot of them reappear and that's why stock market looks better than labor market in response to shut down. but we'll wait and what did the months unwelcoming on stay with been here we have a guy coming another minute here what are the lessons learned i know that's

a big question for her is a small amount of time but i mean what when we when we learned so far in approaching this recovery go ahead ben well i don't know if politicians have learned a heck of a lot but they know that we're starting to get really upset with the horse shutdown and the lack of a normal everyday american and your mom and retailers to go out and earn a living hopefully they will learn that if they freak people out that these normal businesses will find their own creative solutions to go back to business and serve each other in this new environment. i certainly hope so amen gentlemen that's all the time we have i want to paint my guests and let me end in los angeles and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time remember.

good food descriptions sound up the tasing even for the owners so how to choose the pet food industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us then what's necessarily good for the pet turns out that food may not be as healthy as people believe we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune disorders they've cut allergies we are actually creating these problems and it's a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets less treats the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the

value of their food because they're already making it a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research. this is also u.k. welcome to our viewers from around the world we're live from central london and we're currently awaiting the government's daily coronavirus press briefing coming live from downing street shortly meanwhile the headlines this. workers across england are encouraged to head back to my jobs despite the only going virus crisis with unions accusing the government of putting commuters lives at risk i'll be talking to a medical expert. the government stands accused of being too slow to protect home residents that says relatives threatened to sue a council off to one facility for pres to accept coronavirus patients we have from a former labor m.p. and also from adult. government advises the public against traveling abroad for the summer holidays as airlines call for more clarity on quarantine measures planned

for those entering britain i'll be speaking to a travel industry representative a little later. the government has urged those in england who can't work from home during the coronavirus crisis to return to their jobs but packed public transport has left the unions accusing the prime minister of risking public safety. and he joins me now with the latest. the back to work plan then hasn't really gone to plan. now absolutely it's a day is the day when the easing if you will of lockdown restrictions comes into effect we've seen people being allowed to go out for a limited exercise that was previously limits it just to once a day also people being allowed to meet another person from outside their own

household or be it with the advice to keep maintaining social distancing measures and of course the main one people being told that if they can't work from home they shared return back to work but that's led to scenes on public transport networks of packed trains and packed buses which have caused many concerns particularly some of those people that not only mosques or serving any social distancing whatsoever that's led to criticisms that from some of unions that it's simply unsafe code for commuters and for employees to continue under the current circumstances so you could even see at some point people staying away now and there are also been other concerns with regards to people go back to work what to do about the children of work because of course schools not marked open until june of the areas and so that's led to concerns that parents now have to find alternative childcare arrangements and it's something which the labor leader kids star raised with the

prime minister. a real concern for many people is child care i want to quote a mother of a young child apologize but it's a little at 3 but it reflects the curse that all members of this house will have been getting she says this. has boris set in his speech people are encouraged to go back to work meeting my partner as he works in construction my partner has explained to his boss this can happen because we've got no childcare you also run the nursery but then open i work as well but my boss is having none of it i hope i can get some advice min my partner has been so stressed over. what advice with a promise to give her a. prime minister and i think i was very clear a both with him and with the house earlier in the week that insofar as people may not be able to go back to work because they don't have the childcare that they need

then their employers must be understanding. now that easing of restrictions only applies to england because scotland wales and northern ireland continue to encourage people to stay home as opposed to boris johnson on the government's change to stay alert and so that's let's it perhaps accusations of confusion as to what people particularly in those countries should be doing that was raised by the s. and p's leader in the commons it backs it to the prime minister. events on sunday could not have been more disastrous from this government the prime minister has made confusion costly devolved administration shuttered widespread confusion amongst the public and a total disregard for this government for workers' safety many sadly have seen the images of london buses being packed this morning mr speaker will the prime minister accept that the clear message in scotland is stay home to protect the n.h.s.

to save lifes i must say i don't accept the characterization of the corporation that we've had across all 4 nations that the leader of the s.n.p. makes and now we can cross live to downing street for the daily briefing at chief medical officer as housing secretary i'm going to set out our comprehensive plan to safely restart reopen and we knew the housing market but 1st i want to update you on the latest data on the coronavirus response $2094209.00 tests for corona virus have now been carried out in the united kingdom including 87063 tests carried out yesterday 229705 people have tested positive that's an increase of 3242 cases since yesterday.

11327 people are in hospital with coded 19 down 15 percent from 13273 cases last week and sadly of those tested positive for corona virus across all settings 33186 have now died that's an increase of 494 fatalities since yesterday these figures include deaths in all settings not just in hospitals. before turning to the housing market i want to remind people of how we will address this phase of our fight against coded 19 firstly and if we could turn to the 1st slide thank you in order

to monitor our progress we are establishing a new coded alert level system with 5 levels each relating to the level of threat posed by the virus the alert level we based primarily on the r. value and the number of coronavirus cases and in turn that alert level will determine the level of social distancing measures in place the lower the level the fewer the measures the higher the level the stricter the measures the social distancing measures remain critical in our efforts to control the virus throughout the period of lockdown which started in march the 23rd we've been at level 4 meaning a coded 1900 epidemic is in general circulation and transmission is high or rising exponentially. thanks to the hard work and the sacrifices of the british

people in the lock down we've helped to bring the our level down now that we are in a position to begin moving to level 3 we will do so in time in careful steps if we turn to slide 2 we set out the 1st of 3 steps we'll take to carefully modify the measures and gradually ease the lock down and begin to allow people to return to their way of life but crucially doing so while avoiding what would be a disastrous 2nd peak that could overwhelm the n.h.s. after each step we will closely monitor the impact of that on the r. and the number of infections and all the available data will be used and will only take the next step when we're satisfied that it's completely safe to do so. the 1st

step from this week will be as follows those who cannot work from home should now speak to their employer about going back to work you can now spend time outdoors and exercise as often as you like you can meet one person outside your household in outdoor public place provided that you stay 2 metres apart the 2nd step from the 1st of june at the earliest robert general the housing secretary there giving the government's coronavirus press briefing live in downing street he referred to the government's 5 virus alert levels and is also a little later could be talking about plans to reopen the housing market well now to discuss the safety aspects of returning to work we were talking to these are early about that a little earlier i'm not joined by our regional medical director of american security risk management company dr mark parrish and mark thank you very much

indeed for being with us now employers might be trying to make things safe but if we've got commuters packed on to trains and tubes it's all a bit futile isn't yes the challenge that's a big challenge just because some certainly all the organizations that we work with are not giving them advice about returning to some sort of operation whether it be up and in a factory or retail store i think we can help them you know declare isn't it particularly on some of those packed trains and tubes that we've seen and that's i think what we need to be aware of ok so once you get to work you say yes that is possible to meet it distancing screens employees facing away from each other staggered shifts lots of hand washing and all the rest of it is that really going to keep employees yeah it'll decrease the risk of coronavirus significantly but i 1st of all i think you've got to go back to the initial question do you need to go into the office if you can work from home and many of us have been working from home for the last few weeks anyway then continue doing that but if you need. need

to go to work and this is particularly in places like retail or manufacturing and sometimes you do need to be quite close there then you can put a number of things in place to decrease the risk of corona virus we're not going to stop coronavirus completely what we want to do is to decrease the risk of at the decrease the spread so we don't overwhelm the health care system which is what we want to do initially before we started listing these restrictions and of course we understand many people are nervous about going back to the work to their workplace and to have an office even if you're socially distanced for 8 hours a day can we really be confident that you can prevent getting the virus or indeed spreading it and i think it's a very natural feeling to have isn't of nervousness when we going back to work no matter what it is and we've kept our assistance centers open throughout the covert pandemic and what we have done is in fact supplied all of those criteria that's been discussed and we've separated the staff they don't wear masks when they're

when they're in the office we've provided all the standard fires about hand washing and regular regularly not touching their face we've closed the canteen we've looked at other options around providing food and beverage and going to the lavatory with all of those things in place you can decrease the risk you can't say you can completely take the risk away but you can significantly decrease it and remember of course that for many of us if we get it if we're not in those vulnerable categories over the age of 70 or if we've got some particular diseases where it's going to make us more likely to require hospital care for the rest of us 80 percent of us will be able to manage this at home not a particularly pleasant condition but still manageable at home. you talked about all the measures your taking and of course so many others are as well how long do we have to do this for it's going to have to wait till things change until we get the vaccine and that's a long way off here sub salute it seems to me as i mean it's the more we know about

this virus the more we realize we don't know when we look at different rates appearing in different countries and i appreciate that rates are very much linked to how much testing is done but then you know how many deaths are we having in different countries and how can you compare those and what do we know about this virus how long will we keep our immunity from it we're not too sure about that maybe up to 6 months certainly in norway and they've recently announced anybody with coronaviruses felt to be immune for 6 months and then we have a vaccine coming along that will take a long time so exactly as you say but i think we will see these changes become part of normal life for many months and maybe years but this what you suggest and what is happening could avoid that much talked about 2nd wave yes and that's what we don't want to i mean look we've been very fortunate haven't we here in the u.k. we haven't had to use those nightingale hospitals the great so let's make sure that we can continue to do that but let's also remember and i think this is really key is that you know other medical conditions haven't gone away there are still people

with cancer with heart attacks with strokes with all sorts of things needing care in the health care system and we must make sure the health care system is able to look after them as well as potentially a 2nd peak in coded that's why i want to keep these covert levels down so interesting to talk to you thank you very much indeed for your time dr mark parrish thanks bill. still to come this week up the forms the public against booking flights abroad for later this summer saying it's travel advice is unlikely to change we hear from an industry representative. joining me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i was speaking to guest of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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for common ground. britain's opposition leader has clashed with the prime minister over government advice on care homes in the initial stages of the coronavirus crisis secure starmer also accuse the government of overseeing the discharge of coronavirus patients back into care that was putting residents at risk earlier this year and until the 12th of march the government's own official advice whirls and i'm quoting from it it remains very unlikely that people receiving care in a care home will become infected yesterday's ins figures show to at least

40 percent of all deaths from covert 19 were in care homes just the prime minister except that the government was too slow to protect people in care homes it wasn't true that the advice a said that actually we brought a lockdown in care homes ahead of the of the general lockdown misspoke prime surprised the promise to. where is the advice of his own government up to the 12th of march the david tyree graph this week carried the following quote from a cardiologist we discharged node suspected an unknown cases into care homes which were unprepared with no formal warning that patients were infected no testing available and no p.p. to prevent transmission we actively seeded this into the very population that was most vulnerable does the prime minister except that the cardiologist is right about

this actually the number of discharges from hospitals into into care homes went down in march and april and we had a a system of testing people going into care homes and that testing is now being ramped up across all the 15000 homes. it's into murder storm his version of the government advice was right and he's written to the prime minister calling for him to correct the record the notice that was published in february and then withdrawn on the 13th of march did say that there is currently no transmission of covert 19 in the community for very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected or number turn has rejected the labor leaders calls it comes as research by the london school of economics reveals that actual care homes death figures could be more than double the official numbers it claims more than 22000 residents may have died as a result of the virus while official figures published by the office for national

statistics say that there were more than $8000.00 coronavirus related deaths in care homes up to the 1st of may now that is more than 40 percent of the overall number of covert 900 tennessee's meanwhile relatives are threatening to sue darbyshire council after a virus free white stones care home proposed to accept patients who have recovered from corona virus those who were well enough to leave hospital but not well enough to go straight home or to be admitted to a specific isolated wing for further treatment the council says that no patients will be moved before being tested but as director for social care did admit it could happen before results are known. current guidance is clear that the current expectation of the government is that hospital patients will be required to have a test for corona virus prior to being discharged but that people can be discharged to home pending the test results for my labor m.p. for high peak jule which told me that there is so much that the government should done and care homes like this one simply are not prepared. trouble is that they

don't have an additional set of staff to care for those patients who are likely still to be contagious with coronavirus so those starfall be going in and caring for the covert patients on one day and then that so the residential care homes to see very elderly and frail vulnerable people the next day and it's it's not it's a good way to try and keep the virus out so that care home. has joined by former chairman of independent doctors federation dr martin skirt he told me that there are reasonable alternatives to placing recovering patients into cairns so too little is known about the virus the accident was all on. creating the wherewithal in intensive care units in acute hospitals and the care homes were. really a 2nd terror concern and we knew so little about the virus about point about

whether people might still carry when they've recovered and about the other aspects of the infection that the whole thing passed the politicians by is what i suspect and as a doctor what more do you really know about this because if someone's recovering from the virus and they're actually or indeed how are deemed to recovered and returning to a care home from hospital how great is the transmission risk. we don't know the figures we know for certain that when patients have recovered they may still be excretes in the virus and it was hoped that after 7 days that people would not do so but we know that some do and therefore in dealing with the tension between people who for a cupboard and you need care of some sort well they convalesce old fashioned term but convalescence is certainly needed and the people in their care at home who are very very vulnerable. the care home residents are the priority

and the only way in which a discharged patient from acute care could go into a care home even into a separate building on the campus would be if they've been tested and the result is available. the government has warned the public not to risk booking summer getaways until there is a change in advice on nonessential travel transport secretary grant shapps made the comments and several airlines announced plans to resume mass bookings from july going abroad the foreign and commonwealth office advise against all travel abroad so you can go and do that so right now of course you can't book those things the remarks come as the e.u. commission says it hopes to gradually lift travel restrictions even if it means added security measures now this could mean the rollout of pre-boarding blood tests or temperature checks at airports could also introduce staggered boarding on its flights to ensure social distancing guidelines and once on board that distance and can be maintained by keeping the middle seat free and for passengers to wear masks

at all times flight attendants are also likely to get a new look wearing medical grade gloves and masks the u.k. is also planning to introduce a mandate 14 day quarantine for those entering the country but the prime minister failed to clarify the details when questioned by the leader of the s.n.p. . unquote in tinning following travel when will these quarantine measures come into force and can the prime minister confirm if his own transport secretary has told airline industry leaders that are too many obstacles that implementing it it may not even happen mr speaker i would just say to the right honorable gentleman quite simply that i do think that the the u.k. has been able thanks to the corporation i've had not just with honorable members opposite but across all 4 nations i think we have been able to make a huge amount of progress together i think most people actually understand where we are in fighting this disease. aviation bosses have request

a meeting with the prime minister over the plan which exempts only those coming from the art of man channel islands anon and it comes as taking a recent flight from london to lisbon were unable to maintain social distancing measures you can see there but it shows tightly packed dolls of passengers wait to be seated on a flight it was entirely filled by the airline despite the pandemic i'm not joined by chair of the institute of travel and tourism dr stephen fry been stephen very good of you to be with us today now the government has been criticised for not implementing a quarantine on inward travel soon i hardly surprising it should have done something a lot sooner should not live up certainly agree we were asking the question why it hasn't happened i mean countries like usa italy new zealand australia the list goes on have been corum scening tourists for for over $45.00 days it's bizarre that suddenly we decided to join the club as it were it seems the government

likes to announce plans and then think about the detail later but are too happy though that they've announced these plans now. i know that the travel industry bill is in meltdown let's be honest it's in a terrible state and it's so it's no exaggeration to say that the introduction of the imposition of a 14 day quarantine or overseas arrivals would be would have a devastating effect a really really devastating effect and what about ensuring that people do stick to the quarantine hell on earth do you monitor that well absolutely. how are the rules going to be enforced but anyway who's actually going to book a holiday. a week i don't know in barcelona or in rome or in amsterdam and in phase 2 weeks in quarantine when they come back it's just not going to happen and let's face it if you put a 2 week holiday booked which boss is going to say ok take a month off because that's what it will and that's what it will all. take frankly

but what about the responsibility airlines are taking at the moment what's your reaction to these pictures of a full flight where social distancing was it wasn't possible should airlines be taking more responsibility to prevent this and is that not a message coming from your organization. there's no doubt there should be international protocols for airline travel but not just for airline travel for hotels for or for airports and for the whole travel infrastructure i see today that in the states they've announced that the flight attendants won't be asked to wear masks because they say they're attendants and not enforce those so there is clearly . a need for international protocols and the government should be working on this with other governments to. impose systems on the airlines and it's not just airlines as i say it's hotels hotels or will need to have some form of

certification in terms of the the cleanliness it's it's a huge international out of the choir and stephen can these tour operators hotels airlines still make money operate effectively by adhering to all of these measures what's the future for them now if the lock down does ease they can operate but under these extremely strict measures well there's a very good question i think that they will emerge leaner and fitter in terms of the measures themselves if we've heard about the middle seat for instance being removed from 3 abreast seats out if if that actually happens and frankly i doubt whether it will happen but if it did happen it would clearly have ramifications for a for the price of oil and travel suggestions have been made that it might see on travel go up by at least a 3rd so we're in unknown territory here bill really good to talk to very much

appreciate your time dr stephen from freidman thank you so much thank you and that's it for a moment more news in half an hour. yeah . you mean. if. you give the you can you think you could only get you to go to egypt i would do it but if you keep. things so you. have to kill someone that just i'm dead says much of what. kinds of stories means the least and this is all just.

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