as of 2013 the pet food industry was dominated by only 5 more titan glamour companies. you know when a consumer wants into a store it's easy to assume that there is a vast array of choices for their dog or cat and the ability to choose that one perfect food. but just how different are these choices and what's really going on inside of those bags is what's inside really as healthy as the shiny side labeling would have you believe. to. pay mr sharon back or in an integrative veterinarian hearing bourbonnais illinois.

this is a commercially available raw food diet this is what i am i'm also going to give the boys in a. great 1st approach. is a. very dire. thing is it. if. so there's a problem in the pet food industry and most pet owners aren't aware that there's a problem and unless you have an interest in digging deeper and finding out what those issues are you can go through your whole life eating the exact same food assuming what you're doing is healthier pat and once you start digging the evidence becomes overwhelming that the industry has significant issues. the human and. the relationship is deeply embedded in our society.

it is estimated that 80000000 dogs are in the united states with 96000000 cats. americans alone spin an estimated $60000000000.00 on pet expenses every year and that number is growing exponentially. it's always a 1st of all to buy something your cat will walk something that will make them happy and live a healthy life we give them exercise clean water and lots of love. we've always purchased food from a grocery store or a pet food store that provided convenience the promise of nutrition in familiarity with the brand. the industry at large survive for nearly 100 years without a single thought from consumers as to what was going into the pet food. that all changed in 2007 when a toxic ingredient made its way into pet foods killing thousands of pets nationwide

melamine is used as a fertilizer in asia and also has several industrial commercial uses including a component of kitchen utensils and plates the association between melamine in the kidneys in urine of cats that died and the melamine that was in the food they consumed is undeniable additionally melamine is an ingredient that should not be in at food at any level. following the 2007 recall one central question began to resonate among consumers. what are dogs and cats actually supposed to eat it's confusing because the pet food industry is telling us what to feed our pets more based on what they want to sell us and what's necessarily good for that. is oprah winfrey's veterinarian now an author and her new book is called the war health treatment please welcome dr barbara well good morning. day to day thank you so much

for being here so let me ask you this what are the things that we are giving them that we should do and then what should we be given that we are so no corn no wait no so away after many years of r. and d. we have found that corn is still the best available source of carbohydrates when processed and refined properly those are the things that cause overweight diabetes arthritis chronic skin infections allergies things like that that's the precursor for a lot of that if you're feeding for nutrition and they're eating a lot of those things that mess with the body they just don't stay healthy let me ask you this dr are those the things that you find in dog food or you're talking to people who are giving table food to know it's and on food. during the war there was a moratorium on using the metal cans for canned food so they said you can't use

metal cans for dog food anymore you have to use that for ammunition. to somebody that we need to make the dog food something we could put in a paper bag and that's how they did it and nobody thought at that time that making a camel and eventually the way that we process it now could ever be a help detriment to the dogs. now because of the way that the world is corn and wheat have become so subsidized and so chain it's a super cheap way to make a food for somebody who can't say no it's a good thing there's definitely an epidemic of problems now in animals that i don't think we've seen anything like it in in history every animal that comes in to see me they'll say oh they're basically healthy but the list of problems is immense so it's not that they're healthy they're actually suffering from sed many many maladies a lot of the same maladies that we see in people we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis. they have auto immune disorders they've got allergies and

part of the reason for that is because we are actually creating these problems it's a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to a very simple problem of diet. and. i have heard for the top 10. to 12 years old you know you don't until you know why you know that 4 years old because your parents feel extra good if you put this down have they arrows just right on it absolutely the best and i can imagine they're so excited about it and it's gone. and i worry about them eating raw food and then liking me now i do not know this but if because the fact is. there aren't any happening.

i think raw food is is weird to a lot of people when i 1st mentioned it to people they sort of say raw food i have to feed raw food to make my diet healthy like are you crazy and i well you know no you don't have to do it it'll make a difference in make a huge difference. one of my hobbies and passions is wildlife rehabilitation. this is her did. you see. i have been fascinated with nature and life something i can remember. i became a license to wildlife rehabilitator when i was 14 and i knew that i would have a life long career helping animals all when i was 14 i heard about a woman that had tremendous success with. wildlife rehabilitation name was barbara

harvey and she was in her a kindness counts and i called her and i said barbara i miss karen bakker and 14 years old and i want to know how you became so successful. long story short she invited me to her home in her account wisconsin she lives in a beautiful log cabin during the winter months and she lives in a teach me on 13 acres during the summer months she invited me to live. on her 13 acres and see how she rehabilitates cox eagles i was and. barbara has the best success rate in the country with the raptors and the reason she has such success she feeds biologically appropriate all. living mice rabbits rodents to those animals to be able to help the body recover from injury. so when i went to veterinary school years later and i sat through these nutrition courses and when they gave me the laminated chart that told me what food i should feed with what disease process things did not add up.

before i went to vet school i worked for years in zoo medicine. the most important thing i think i learned from that is every species has its own requirement teach species must eat what it is supposed to eat it's developed evolved to have a specific diet that keeps it healthy. each animal has its own biologic requirement for certain nutrients a species appropriate diet for worms is dirt a species appropriate diet let's say for hummingbirds would be nectar if you can't feed earthworms nectar and you can feed hummingbirds sturt both of those animals would simply die it gets pretty confusing with dogs and cats however because dogs and cats are nutritionally much more resilient than other species and what that means is that we can nutritionally abuse them for lack of a better term and they don't die immediately they just have the overall vitality decline and. overall degenerative changes take place in their bodies from feeding

them foods that are not biologically appropriate cats being obligate carnivores have to consume meat to be able to thrive they do not have a biologic requirement for any type of carbohydrate very high protein require a very high moisture requirement and a moderate fat requirement cats originally we were domesticated to guard the grain race because cats don't consume green cats consume ice that consume the grain and so by domesticated cats we assume that there was a mutually beneficial relationship we do know in the last 100 years since we have produced cat foods on the market that cats have experienced significantly more kidney disease and we know that they have experienced obesity. failure and diabetes at a much higher rate and certainly we need to begin evaluating what role nutrition has and some of those degenerative diseases kidney disease is the number one killer of cats and we know that asking cats to process and tire lead to

a hydrated food such as kibble can be very detrimental to kidney health dogs evolved from the gray wolf and we know that dogs came. out of the order carnivora which means they're carnivores in 1903 the international society. redefined. familial laris as just these are the people that define what category what taxonomy animals fit into and why this society concluded that dogs were genetically identical to wolves they shared 99.9 percent of the d.n.a. we know that geno typically the genome type the d.n.a. is identical to what has changed over the last 2 to 3400 years the phenotype phenotype is the jacket which is what looks like we have dogs dogs of blue eyes dogs with crazy types of here in the body and no hair anywhere else. dogs short

legged dogs double coated dogs we've created these fantastic varieties of breeds because we like diversity in what we see despite the fact that we have bred dogs to have certain characteristics we have not bred out of them there came this lupus d.n.a. so yes just as you can have brown hair blond hair or you can have blue eyes or green eyes brown eyes your nutritional requirements as a human being remain the same despite the fact that you look vastly different depending on what your d.n.a. dictates. and. we go to work for you straight home.

to recruit them and you have a lot of people where you can keep blurry i'm going to remember i think that at least. you could probably pull bodies in the street in the birth week that was really the beach. business which was of women resident. in the most terrible pain you. reach a goal ask yourself how are you going to survive how are you going to protect yourself a little bit be able to pull it off your fault or the up or the fluid in the of lot of fun and threw it in the field or you do you want to cooperate with you in a little store. i really. appreciate it. when you have to say. is wrong is using technology where they've been able to mean

x. people's private information on the cell phones and see what you've seen if you have crossed hearts with somebody who is positive and turn on a virus and if you are if you had a meeting seen your message because part of somebody has tested positive please you must be in our in tina. but i think that there was a interesting thing is that all the people around them are in the same situation. the major companies criticize raw diet warning consumers against the hazards of feeding romita pets claiming it can make your animal sick. however those companies who repeatedly criticize feeding raw diet have yet to produce a single study to provide any substantial evidence to support their claims. the

problem with the. types of research studies that you're describing they would go at least 7 day to 10 years in length before you would get a definitive answer within our. legal requirements and framework said it's not f.d.a. has responsibility to do such studies the research has not been done on raw foods not because there is an interest but because the $1000000.00 it takes to fund that particular research simply isn't there now integrative in areas are working on that but trisha veterinarians will say until we see the research we're not interested in recommending this particular food for dog and cat owners we just don't believe it's safe and healthy the frustration is is that we don't have clinically proven research demonstrating that dry and canned foods are wildly help for pets as well. the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research since major pet

food companies are involved with and have influence over vet student lack of education surrounding role diets exist heavily among traditional vets when clients come to veterinarians have who have not been educated about raw foods at all and say i'm considering feeding my pets raw meat of course the logical conclusion is why there's a lot of bacteria in the we're all diets and it's kind of a ticking time clock if you could harm them or why would you do that or it's risky i think we're all food as too much of the potential for negative side effects that it's just not worth it people's biggest question is there could be. pathogens or bacteria parasites within the food that could cause illness to pat's when dogs eat raw diets their feces their poop has a lot of bacteria. let's talk about. dogs if given the opportunity will eat. dogs and cats being carnivores are

equipped to be able to process their evolutionary food source which is raw meat. all of their digestion has acclimated and has evolved to be able to process whole living unadulterated protein so from ripping and tearing their dentition is set up to be able to process meat their stomach acid is very acidic in fact a ph of water which is highly acidic that stomach acid is in place to be able to neutralize pathogens or potential harmful bacteria that could be present in the food from the outside the pet food industry looks like the perfect industry there are beautiful packaging there are diets for every disease in disorder there's all kinds of different colors and futile pictures and if you look a little deeper unfortunately back isn't worth the pet food industry is all about. i've collected to see you examples here and we're going to go over some labels but

1st example is the food that on the front doesn't be several meals fully prepared and bursting with flavor as it went down to pet food 1st the previous corn 2nd ingredient is soybean meal starting creating as beast and bone meal for thing gradient is growing wheat followed by animal fat preserve the ha we can see they are the ha is that toxic preservatives that should not be found in any human or pet foods despite the fact that it is the 1st 3 ingredients are carbohydrates that are totally unnecessary followed by a totally toxic preservatives selfish q bag not a car. next we have a food that has one. several packaging awards because it's so beautiful there are chunks of meat falling from the sky and beautiful here of course and here we have a nice array of radioactive colors that have been added in for you the consumer dogs and cats cannot see all these different colors this is added in because you get my cash it looks beautiful my pet would love it but the amazing buzzwords like

a full light. one down or doesn't want their pet to have a playful life this is just entirely a marketing 1st thing greeting it around yellow corn totally biologically unnecessary 2nd to greedy and you can buy products meal totally rendered inappropriate in terms of quality to be nourishing your dog with turning green corn gluten meal very allergenic totally unnecessary for think media whole wheat flour and then animal fat although this really looks to be beautiful and something you'd be interested in nursing or my recommendation is to avoid it over here and they have a special table to help with prebiotic fiber there's a lot of these patented words that are trademark words that companies will use to how kind of distorted their product to be something special included as a means of you coming back and buying it because other brands you're comparing it to doesn't have to help it's a good so good marketing on that we have this particular food is b.l.s.

quality if you are a goat. when you add up organic from rice organic own organic millet organic barley or getting grain store go organic peas organic potatoes. portion of the ingredients in this particular food doesn't outweigh the organic chicken or the chicken mia healthy really what are you supposed to say unhealthy the worst possible food in my opinion you could feature dog. number one ingredient beef byproduct. of fruit toast corn syrup what is byproduct. my product is what's left over after an animal has been slaughtered and all the edible parts have been removed the criticism lies in the mystery of the meats being used. what is quality quality is a term used when discussing how good or bad the world material that goes into the food actually is whether this protein comes from diseased animals euthanize animals

kill human food waste or processing the industry doesn't have to disclose the source of the ingredients. that doesn't prevent them from easily proclaiming that every ounce of their pet food is of the highest quality. the issue is on the back of the dog and cat food bank it doesn't say render terrible quality protein it doesn't say that it also is we also can't less legally grade a u.s.d.a. inspected me so this leaves this giant gap for the consumer to have to fill in that void and it's wildly confusing the controversy with kibble exists because troy food is forward of moisture. when your animal eats try to put in a permanent state of dehydration the quality insourcing of where the ingredients came from is kept secret in even if the ingredients were perfect the manufacturing process to make any product shelf stable for extended periods is performed at extraordinary high temperatures. this creates 2 potent carcinogens

that are cyclical means in a cruel mind however most companies do not disclose to the consumer what temperature their foods are cooked and they act as if the trace amounts of carcinogens pose no threat it was a real 948 when veterinarian mark morris decided to create the 1st direction pet food still recognizable today at a time morris was critical of pet foods for lacking quality ingredients and he wanted to make a superior product backed by scientific research he teamed up with canning manufacturer. burton hill to fulfill his vision. the result became what we know today as science diet sold in veterinarian offices all across the country. but in 2013 the wall street journal reported hills was starting to see its profits decline because consumers no longer identified with their ingredients. science diet has

since refocused on rebranding their image as more natural creating new product lines and shying away from controversial in rendered ingredients. the national renders association argues that they're providing a necessary role when it comes to the recycling of animal carcasses. if there wasn't anywhere to put the animal waste from the human food industry where would it go in the earth in the air. in the ocean. it all has to go somewhere. we have a huge quality control problem meaning the quality of the gradients coming into the industry anything from potentially fabulous u.s.d.a. inspected human grade all the way down to entirely rendered which is every piece and part you could ever imagine actually probably don't even want to think about the final result is used to manufacture hundreds of products everything from so few

channels is the fed food to cosmetics that the companies blend those recital there gradients together with synthetic vitamins and minerals to create a profitable quote complete and balanced diet that is then marketed to tell and in 100 years time we have successfully convinced an entire generation of pat lovers that why would you feel anything but dog food for cats looking at the rules that guide the pet food industry it's easy to see how they are set up to benefit the corporations over the consumer. the regulators have created special terminology for packages assuming that consumers would be able to guess what they mean. any product containing the words dinner nugget or formula only have to contain 25 percent actual meat any product labeled with only has to contain 3 percent me furthermore the so-called flavor rule a levels for any protein to be listed on the back it may be flavored as me but in

reality the back that contains the word flavor may contain little to no meat by using the key word flavor on the package the pet food could but does not have to contain any meat at all but it's acceptable for the package to contain an image of a fresh day in green panels to display certain percentage of the protein percentages do not represent actual meat content in the product as protein can come from a multitude of sources this raises the question if the average consumer knows that the terminology used on packages reveal the exact amounts of meats used in food trying to understand who exactly makes these rules and what their actual legal authority is leads to many different organizations the association of american feed control officials is a non-governmental organization they have a model bill that that sets the standards in terms of ingredients nutrient levels package labeling in terms of ingredients as well for pet food companies to abide by

each year members of africa come together to update their official publication which defines each ingredient that's allowed to go into pet food. members of the major pet food companies it in the meetings as well below in their voice to be heard when it comes to what goes into pet food. so who is africa i think if you look at our websites we have some very clear statements about the fact that asco is not a regulatory organization itself that's one thing important the 2nd is that asco doesn't approve products while we do is we deal with the ingredients in the scientific validation if you will of the ingredients that go. into the food and then the actual claim that a manufacturer makes it is after all approved is probably not representing what but after itself would say f.d.a. has worked closely with f. crow on the regulation of all animal feeds not just pet food i think the important thing to remember is f.d.a. is a true regulatory authority were after 0 is an association of state feed controls are

shuls when you look at the manual i think you really begin to see how the interests of aft and the pet food industry ally actually putting together a list of ingredients that you would want to see and that's what that you would want your pets to eat and then forcing that on the industry they've done it in reverse and basically just accepted the standards that the industry has been using for years and i'm quoting now use of the term or claim natural and pet food labels so if i want to use the word natural on my dog food label sure are the rules and i'm quoting this verbatim a feed or ingredient drives solely from plant animal or mind sources either and it's unprocessed state or having been subject to physical process heat process rendering purification extraction except it goes on and sensually these are all definitions of the antithesis of natural.

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happened. was you could accurately. welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is all to u.k. . the government promises to get a grip on canada so after being accused of being too slow to protect residents it says relatives threaten to sue are killed off to one facility prepares to accept recovered coronavirus patients will be hearing from a former labor m.p. and also from a doctor of the. workers across england are encouraged to head back to their jobs despite the ongoing violence crisis spreads unions accusing the government putting in commuters lives spoke risk. and become devizes the public against travelling abroad for the summer holidays then on school for more clarity on porting to measures planned for those countries here from travel industry represents.

the british government has been accused of ignoring care homes particularly during the early stages of the coronavirus crisis and fuelling the devastating hope breaks and the daily press conference in the last half hour housing secretary robert general said the prime minister was taking action and defended the record. care homes are the absolute heart of all the work that we're now doing across government it's essential that we provide them with the support that they need and deserve today the prime minister announced a further 600000000 pounds of financial support that will be given to councils of flow through to care homes so that they can fund the changes that we're asking them to do which will include better infection control within care homes bringing that up to the highest standards if they're not doing so already ensuring that less rotation of staff particularly agency workers generous remarks come after the

opposition leader clash with the prime minister earlier over government advice on care homes in the initial stages of the coronavirus crisis secure star also accusing government of overseeing the discharge of coronavirus patients back into care homes putting residents at risk earlier this year and until the 12th of march the government's own official advice whirls and i'm quoting from it it remains very unlikely that people receiving care in a care home will become infected yesterday's ins figures show to at least 40 percent of all deaths from covert 19 were in care homes does the prime minister accept that the government was too slow to protect people in care homes it wasn't true that the advice actually we brought locked down in our care homes ahead of the of the general lock down mr spoke from surprised the promise to. where

is the advice of his own government up to the 12th of march the david tyree graph this week carried the following quote from a cardiologist. we discharged suspected an unknown cases into care homes which were unprepared with no formal warning that patients were infected no testing available and no p.p. to prevent transmission we actively seeded this into the very population that was most vulnerable just the primus tricks that put the cardiologist is right about this actually the number of discharges from hospitals into into care homes with down in march and april and we had a system of testing people go into care homes and that testing is now being ramped up across the 15000 homes it's since emerged as thomas version of the government advisors writes and he's written to the prime

minister calling for him to correct the record the notice that was published in february then withdrawn on 13th of march did say that there is currently no transmission of code 19 in the community is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected number 10 has rejected the labor leaders call saying he had ignored the context when it comes as research by the london school of economics reveals that actual care homes death figures could be more than double the official numbers it claims more than 22000 residents may have died as a result of the virus what official figures published by the office for national statistics say that more than 8000 coronavirus related deaths in care homes up to the 1st of may well that is more than 40 percent of the overall number of 900 for tennessee's meanwhile relatives are threatening to sue doctor should cancel off the virus free white stones care home repairs to accept patients who have recovered from coronavirus as well what enough to leave hospital but not well enough to go straight home or to be admitted to

a specific isolated wing for further treatment the council says that no patients will be moved before being tested but as director for social care did admit it could happen before results all known. current guidance is clear that the current expectation of the government is that hospital patients will be required to have a test for corona virus prior to being discharged but that people can be discharged to home pending the test results for my labor m.p. for high peak ruth jones told me that there is so much that the government should have done and care homes like this one simply are not prepared trouble is they don't have an additional set of staff to guess that those patients who are likely still to be contagious with coronavirus so their star will be going in and caring for the kind of it haitian son one day and then but the residential home to see very elderly and frail vulnerable people the next day and. it's

a good way to try and keep the virus out so that as as a former labor m.p. your thoughts on the row over initial government gardens on care homes really nobody could know quite how bad all this will get. i think we had some very early indications particularly from it's only in from china as to how badly very frail an elderly people are affected by coronavirus and they've had to have their in those have homes we should have been making sure right from the start that the residents of had homes were properly protected the care homes were put in so locked down much earlier that there was much stronger emphasis on making sure the stuff had full p.p.a. not just the p.p.p. that the government guidance still says is all that they need even for treating covert positive patients and we should have make sure that we have the isolation

facilities ringback and the testing facilities for all those care homes and for residents who are discharged who had taken into hospital that they didn't have to be discharged back to caen homes again there's so much that could have been done and should have been done that could have prevented the loss of the suffering that store known for residents and their families and for stuff as well and he was joined by former chairman of the independent doctors federation dr morton scott and he told me things that are reasonable alternatives to placing recovering patients into caverns. so too little is known about the virus the accident was all on creating the wherewithal in intensive care units in acute hospitals and the care homes were. really a 2nd terror concern and we knew so little about the virus at that point about whether people might still carry it when they've recovered and about the other aspects of the infection that the whole thing passed the politicians by is what i

suspect and as a doctor what more do you really know about this because if someone's recovering from the virus and they're actually or indeed how are doing to recovered and returning to a care home from hospital how great is the transmission risk we don't know the figures we know for certain that when patients have recovered they may still be excrete in the virus and it was hoped that after 7 days that people would not do so but we know that some do and therefore in dealing with the tension between people who've recovered and you need care of some sort well they convalesce old fashioned term but convalescence is certainly needed and the people in their care home who are very very vulnerable. the care home residents are the priority and the only way in which a discharged patient from acute care could go into

a care home even into a separate building on the campus would be if they've been tested and the result is available anything else in my view is a dereliction of duty it transgresses every aspect of medical ethics what would you like to see the government do now to protect care home residents. i think we should not allow recovered patients even with negative tests to to be admitted to care homes there is a solution here which is to look at muffled hotels they have staff who can feed and care for such patients and it would be a very reasonable alternative the facilities are available it just takes organization to achieve it. the government has urged those in england who can't work from home during the current of hours crisis to return to their jobs but packed public transport has left unions accusing the prime minister of risking public safety r.t. casey's attorney joins me now with the a latest so he's a back to work hasn't really gone to plan. now absolutely today is that day that we

see the changes or 'd at least the easing of lockdown restrictions in england people being allowed to exercise outside on a limited leave whereas before it was only once a day they would be allowed out to do some people being allowed to go and meet with their friends one at a time at least friends from another household but still having to keep social distancing restrictions observes but most importantly perhaps is the government allowing people courage and people in congress from home to return to work but that's already led to scenes of packed trains packed buses on the public transport networks leading to concerns that not everybody who's getting on those public transport networks are wearing. masks on the p.p. and so they could be again another spread of the virus in those places we're also seeing builders going back to work but be at having that working hours stretched to

later in the evening so as to stagger work times and see increased social distance now one concerns that for people who are going back to work what will they do with their children schools not house to open until june at the earliest meaning that alternative child care arrangements have to be felt and this is something which the leader of the opposition kissed on a raised with boris johnson in parliament. a real concern for many people is child care i want to quote a mother of a young child i apologize but it's a little of 3 but it reflects the curse that will members of this house will have been getting she says this. has boris set in his speech people are encouraged to go back to work meeting my partner as he works in construction my partner has explained to his boss this can't happen because we've got no childcare he also run the nursery but then i put i work as well but my boss is having none of

it i hope i can get some advice man my partner has been so stressed over. what advice with a promise to give her a. prime minister and i think i was very clear a both with him and with the house earlier in the week that insofar as people may not be able to go back to work because they don't have the childcare that they need then their employers must be understanding. social 'd distancing measures all those locked out missions should i say only really apply to england because the message coming from the default as far as the scotland wales and northern 'd ireland is to continue advising people to stay home they haven't changed their slogan to stay low like boris johnson has and the s. and p. comments lead to ian black has raised this very point and the confusion he says it

spreads to the prime minister again. events on sunday could not have been more disastrous from this government the prime minister has made confusion costly devolved administration shuttered widespread confusion amongst the public and a total disregard for this government for worker safety many sadly have seen the images of london buses being packed this morning mr speaker will the prime minister accept that the clear message in scotland is stay home to protect the n.h.s. to save lives i must say i don't accept the characterization of the corporation that we've had across the one issues that are the leader of the s.n.p. and makes. now in order to perhaps dispel some confusion for 'd employers the government has laid out some guidelines that businesses can employ to keep their employees safe they include things like making sure people work within

the same teams to avoid contact with other members of staff that is necessary to put up barriers between workers to separate desks and so on and all of these aiming to try to at least make workplaces a safe as possible for those who are returning back to their jobs thank you very much indeed for that update well for more on the government's back to work message i'm now joined by dr and chairman baguettes and human thank you very much for being with us now the governor is telling people to go back to work do you think it is safe to do so. i think the operative word by the way giving i think the operative word here is safe now and then it's yes cheap and but i also run a an organization that works with large numbers of employers with multiple sort of sizes of open as ations and the biggest anxiety that we're starting to see is what to say for me and i think just having just listening to your will show just now and i think you know we're seeing the anxiety around have we done this to andy and i

think once the advice of what employers need to do is very welcomed and the advice as we've talked about is clearly number one if you don't need to go in don't go in that you can call and see that this huge rock of. variations in penetration is of the population is going to have problems such as child care such as. how safe is work and when you do go to work what are you coming back to how safe is it for the people in your home so one of the challenges that we're starting to see now it's the ones we've talked to and the government advice is very much about some places that have solutions this doesn't go far enough you know as a clinician i was on the front line every day i see the effects of this virus on the daily basis and it hasn't gone. what we need to be absolutely careful of is making sure that we number one don't see another spike which i think inevitably we are probably going to see that number 2 employers are very concerned that whilst

we're talking about yes you can slowly go back to work and you can and put all of these great things in place whether that be social distancing in mosques and shift patterns in all of these measures which we all need to absolutely do as an employer we haven't restricted find the actual the employee workforce that we're bringing back we know nothing about them as employees we don't know whether they have high risk conditions and whilst the government sort of high risk conditions in the. shielding sort of patients those are quite clear you're not going anywhere you need to stay home absolutely but there's a huge raft of the population where we haven't looked at their past medical history where if you don't fall into the red shilling letters you're clearly are possibly being deemed to be safe to go back to work and that's where i have huge reservations and ok so what about the government's efforts to make people feel more comfortable if they are worried about it we heard last night that workers can

contact the h s c the health and safety executive if they feel the workplace is unsafe. i think i think there's 2 aspects of this i think absolutely i think if you work place or your employer not putting these measures in place i think it's absolutely important that you make sure you contact them to make sure that this these are put in place and that would be going directly against government cuts however this is not just about their workplace this is about the individual employee we haven't risk stratify the population to make sure that are they actually fit enough to go back in just because i think we don't know their past medical history we don't know anything about the banter but i must ask you what we have a lot of time just finally though what about the scenes of packed to. the aircraft we've seen in the last 24 hours is there a danger that you talked about maybe going back to quickly moving too fast this danger of

a 2nd wave of infections is much talked about is that possible it's very real and it's very possible i think it every part of sort of viral history if we look back 100 years and years before that we know exactly where it's do exist and they exist because people start to come back together again so absolutely this is a very real risk thank you very much indeed dr antrim and i got really very interesting to talk to you today thanks of into on r.t. can't thank all the regional medical director of a medical and security risk management company dr mark perry she joined me on it and he said that workplaces can enforce certain measures to reduce the risk of covert 19 but you can't completely eradicate it. if you can work from home and many of us have been working from home for the last few weeks anyway then continue doing that but if you need to go to work and this is particularly in places like retail or manufacturing and sometimes you do need to be quite close there then you can put a number of things in place to decrease the risk of corona virus we're not going to

stop coronavirus completely what we want to do is to decrease the risk of at the decrease the spread so we don't overwhelm the health care system which is what we want to do initially before we started listing these restrictions and of course we understand many people are nervous about going back to the work back to their workplace and to have an office and even if you're socially distanced for 8 hours a day can you really be confident that you can prevent getting the virus or indeed spreading it yeah and i think it's a very natural feeling to have isn't it of nervousness when we going back to work no matter what it is and we've kept our assistance centers open throughout the covert pandemic and what we have done is in fact supplied all of those criteria that's been discussed and we've separated the staff they don't wear masks when they're when they're in the office we've provided all the standard advice about hand washing and regular regularly not touching their face we've closed the canteen we've looked at other options around providing food and beverage and going to the

lavatory with all of those things in place you can decrease the risk you can't say you can completely take the risk away. still to come the government warns the public against booking flights of google for later the summer saying it's travel advice is unlikely to change we hear from an industry representative.

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depths. or remain in the shallows. the government is going to public not to risk booking the summer getaways until there's a change in advice on non-essential travel transport secretary grant shapps made the comments as several airlines announced plans to resume mass bookings from july going abroad the foreign and commonwealth office advise against all travel abroad i'm so you can go and do that so right now of course you can't book those things for the remarks karmas the e.u. commission says it hopes to gradually lift travel restrictions even if it means added security measures this could mean the rollout of pre-boarding blood tests or temperature checks at airports and airlines could also introduce staggered boarding on its flights to ensure social distancing guidelines once on the flight that

distance in could be maintained by keeping the middle seat free and for passengers to wear masks at all times flight attendants also about to get a new look wearing medical grade gloves and masks and the u.k. is also planning to introduce a mandate to a 14 day quarantine for those entering the country but the prime minister failed to clarify the details when questioned by the leader of the s m pain. unquote in teaching following travel when will these quarantine measures come into force and can the prime minister confirm if his own transport secretary has told airline industry leaders that are too many obstacles that implementing it it may not even happen and mr speaker i would just say to be right on the gentleman quite simply that i do feel good the the u.k. has been able thanks to the corporation are proud just with honorable members opposite but across on formations like that we have been able to make a huge amount of progress together i think most people actually understand where we

are in fighting this disease. if your asian bosses have requested a meeting with the prime minister over the plan which exempts only those coming from the on a man channel and so on and it comes as i was taking a recent flight from london to lisbon were unable to maintain social distancing measures for tisha shows tightly packed hours of passengers waiting to be seated on a flight was entirely filled by the airline despite the pandemic. or chair of institute of travel and tourism dr stephen freud and join me on it he said britain should be working with other governments to ensure international standards for safe travel abroad but the travel industry bill is in meltdown let's be honest it's in a terrible state and it's so it's no exaggeration to say that the introduction of the imposition of a 14 day quarantine or overseas arrivals would be year would have a devastating effect a really really devastating effect what about the responsibility airlines are

taking at the moment but what's your reaction to these pictures of a full flight where social distancing was it wasn't possible should airlines be taking more responsibility to prevent this and is that not a message coming from your organization. there's no doubt there should be international protocols for airline travel but not just throw out travel for hotels for up for airports and for the whole travel infrastructure i see today that in the states they've announced that the flight attendants won't be asked to wear masks because they say they're attendants and not enforce those so there is clearly. a need for international protocols and the government should be working all this with all the governments to. impose systems all the airlines and it's not just airlines as i say it's hotels. figures have shown that the u.k. economy contracted at the quickest pace on record during the coronavirus. oh in us

figures report that the u.k.'s g.d.p. dropped by nearly 6 percent in the month of march alone and to put that into perspective g.d.p. dropped by only slightly more 6.9 percent over the course of the entire financial crisis of 2008 to 2009 have been recorded kline's in the construction service industries but car sales and restaurants are also been hard hit and furthermore the bank of england predicts the economy could shrink by as much as 25 percent when all is said and done at the end of the next financial quarter well as joined by the former u.k. business secretary and x. lib dems leaders servants cable you things the economic outlook for the future is troubling well the return to work was bound to be a mess just some extent risk. except we should be terribly surprised ability to people have been very. things like home work and i don't see why employers and their unions should stop thinking about staggering work times on

things of this kind which will make this kind of them seemingly crouse and not happen again people have been able to work of course as you say from home but the economic fallout from this crisis is it looks as if it could be worse than the virus itself. but it will be i mean wait wait we're going to have you know 23 years of her endless economic damage and in the current picture is this in a 2nd quarter we're probably going to have a fall of g.d.p. from day trend of about trying to drive descent we have no idea what will happen in the next part of the year but recovery is unlikely to pay dramatic so we may be talking a loss of 1015 percent a leader is a which is twice 3 times as bad as the financial crisis and you are not critical of the way the government intervened at the moment but looking further ahead how will the government able to manage this economic crisis we're facing but i didn't the

big issue which isn't being talked about very much is the relationship between the government's managing of it through the budget and the government is allowing a big deficit jumps at the right trying out quite a lot of government debt which is inevitable and what happens in the back of it in the cost of the government event of england has been giving supportive monetary policy in the interest rates clearly i think i wrote an article in the independent this morning arguing that just going to have to go a step further. that's all for this hour according to the tea america would take at the top of the next hour from all of the say and most misstep by. with good reason public discourse is focused on addressing and finally each

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