with the u.s. health care system being pushed to its limits by coronavirus we hear the story of who claims the deaths of both his father and grandfather were done to sheer negligence. it's good that he was like he wants. also ahead. for a longer more than $1500.00 primary schools in england the government to reopen classes next month amid safety concerns. very dangerous.

we all know that certain viruses can be carriers within the. court of. law breakers. life or m r t international in moscow it's you know you hear with you for the next 30 minutes or so at the midweek and up. we begin in the u.s. the country hardest hit by coronavirus recording more than a 1000000 and a half cases claims about the health care system being overwhelmed and not able to help all those who need it are not going away we heard from one man who lost both his father and grandfather to cope at 19 and say he's stunned to share negligence.

then the next day we found out that he tested positive for corona virus same day that he was put on a ventilator father my mother most of the lips were dry cos my dad has a fever starting fridays cestus so we take on the boma and i was back there for routes one half hours he comes i would just charge paper stating that he just as bronchitis so out theories later stevie goes out so arguments so the lady i receive in hospital so he's better off wants to reach for every 4 take some sort of back again my dad is there for 3 hours comes same discharge papers so really i just pushed him out the door weeks later raw april 6th 1145 my grandpa the. hospital 'd oh and so i go to sleep and rouse 630 the next morning susan one of my brother troy calls screaming that dating a wake up anyway. keith gambrell believes if his dad hadn't been turned away and

was tested he might have survived after his father died his mother then developed a high fever but the local hospital also refused to admit her so he took her to another one where they finally tested her and she was positive. palm also has a prescription drug she got her heart doctor to get says the cold virus the lady looks at the piece of paper gives it back from mom so my mother that there's no other dishy to do for it at the hospital could look forward to go home act as if you have to cope at night because more likely you have it ma'am is what they tell me or more likely you have 'd it but go home because there's nothing we could do for your drinks he drinks tylenol take tylenol for your fever come back if you can't breathe and just another aspect of this the city of detroit to work a furnace family live has experienced a disproportionately high 19 hit rate amongst the block population making

up 81 percent of all deaths from the virus there keith gambell again thinks the authorities need to be held to account. this feel like my dad was close to the back of the line was getting the test because he was like he wants a basically hospital an all white neighborhood just looked out the door to go home a dark lever was in control of my day when he went to the hospital i feel like she should be the person that's supply for his death but they didn't look at him enough to tell him the door to give him a chance to get its nest. and then the government as well why weren't we prepare for this virus if you guys are certain season stays down at the economy why don't we have enough test to get it will test the border virus if it's that big of a. while our. own diet so the come back to the hospital if you need like is too late it. when the government and the oh health care system

really failed the american citizens. let's move to the u.k. where the government's plans to get some children back into the classroom is facing further resistance more than 1500 primary schools in england say they are against throwing open their doors for next month forcing the authorities to threaten sanctions here's our t. shirt the edwards. as schools across europe begin to open a case the united kingdom doesn't want to fall behind in class in a bid to get britain moving again boris johnson the prime minister wants to try and get all primary school kids back in the classroom in less than 2 weeks time while the virus is still out there though boris johnson and number 10 maintains it's safe enough to get kids back on track the best way of protecting children the best way of giving them the best opportunities in life is actually to have been coming back into school for some parents it couldn't come soon enough as school hours would be

a complete game changer for mums and dads going back to work but many you are working from home say sending military ones back would be bad parenting in fact over 80 percent of parents are refusing to send their children to school if they reopen in june on safety grounds and over 60 percent say they won't set their kids in until the new academic year in september at the very earliest and certainly could be very dangerous they say the virus doesn't affect children too much and we all know that some viruses can be carriers within. sometimes attention dangerous but children could carry the virus amongst themselves to other people who could be vulnerable. so my daughter was 5 when she. so she went to one concert in concert with a lot of friends. get to know them again and. it could be potentially dangerous it was one of the reasons why and choose me i have to tell you. that a closure of schools quite quickly when the crisis started however the u.k.

government is ringing the school bell and trying to persuade parents is the right thing to do by showing other european models other countries have succeeded in making. him return skeete safely other european countries like denmark don't want countries like denmark has less than a 1000 deaths the u.k. is hurdling towards the 40000 mark deeming it the worst affected in europe and 2nd highest number of fatalities in. world and it's not just parents of a hesitant in the face of the push to reopen teachers do have a legal right to stay away but many schools have never even shut so it's a lockdown some have been teaching a handful of peoples of key workers and others which has already seen 3060 ching staff die of coke at 19 i do you can sit here and guarantee that no teacher is going to catch coronavirus as a result of going back to school the only way ever to ensure that you never catch coronavirus is to stay at home completely and when it comes to social distancing

and keeping our numbers low teachers ferro be nigh on impossible to keep kids apart not to mention making sure the spaces say well maybe an office has to protect you. for stuff. and. not risk. of. protective p.p.h. an economy. you see in short supply. in the care homes rightly so you know there isn't and. as things stand teachers do have the backing of their unions plus the u.k.'s leading body of doctors unions who also it's far too soon to go back to the classrooms early and they're not even hearing any concrete evidence to prove otherwise and to we have got case number smush low what we should not consider reopen in schools how many councils are rebelling against their heads including liverpool hot people in greater manchester police for levels of sections of

those that i'm not about risks with children with stuck. professional lives but for now the government says it is safe to reopen schools though not everyone is convinced if i if i had children of any age where they were expected to go to school on the 1st i may not be standard but i think i was the right. tell members of the population what you should do in regard to deceive the well being of natural. parents. so much the good news. they have a reputation for telling lies. parents believe. the teachers and the unions and medical profession rather than the government. so as the government continues with its class act its own set of rules and no reassurance of safety when schools do reopen all the teachers can try and do is place hygiene at

the top of the correctly then shut out with daschle r.t. london. ok staying in europe or ices are in the sky efforts to keep tabs on lockdown violators has been grounded that's after a court battle on the use of drones in the french capital for such surveillance showed a dubin ski's across the story for us. the view from above drew's sweeping across cities in france is part of police efforts not only to keep an eye on things but also to get a message across. that message during lock down from the drone loudspeaker it was a still mind to all that they needed permits to be outside all non-essential travel outside the home is

a prohibited bait bellowed the drones had. to alerting the police to any unusual gatherings perhaps a more efficient way to monitor the streets or as george orwell once described it it was the police patrol snooping then began the fight back human rights groups had warned of a threat to personal privacy they took their case to court and they were. the drugs were effectively being used illegally so this initiative was carried out by the police without any preliminary consultation with the national commission on liberty information and the state council therefore the council has eliminated this flaw in the police system and ordered to take all necessary measures suspend the use of drones for now. well at least here in paris france is highest

administrative court ruled that aerial drones can no longer be used here to track people flouting social distancing rules during the fight against 19 government officials and the paris police it's all good that they weren't trying to identify people but simply watch so that they knew where to send the patrols. technology. but it's not enough human presence is the key thing the drug is not going to replace a police officer. but that didn't wash with the court given the risks of use are contrary to the rules for personal data protection the implementation of this private data processing on behalf of the state characterized as a serious and manifestly illegal infringement of respecting private lives in paris the drones have been brought back down to earth with the not so in other big cities such as must say nice where they are still in use but the human rights group behind

this when i say there could be other challenges. do you really want to acknowledge called police to monitor our beaches can france live without cameras flying over the beaches this is an issue that in my opinion should be put up for public and parliamentary discussion i repeat this practice is implemented with no prior consultation. many liberties groups might also hope that this case can prove a starting point in other countries to where the use of drones to monitor the public during the pandemic has become normalized. it's a win for right now but it could soon be overturned it's still within the government's

power to issue a decree outlining the conditions of how police drones could be used in the future if that then gets approved by the national data privacy watchdog big brother will be back not just observing from this takes a valence cameras we're all used to but from the heavens see you may never. even though they were watching. ski. paris. ok let's take a look at what's happening in south america coronavirus pandemic is taking a dramatic turn in chile where tensions are rising over food shortages on employment caused by the lock down military forces have been deployed in the capital and made clashes between locals and police and it all comes as increasing numbers of people say they're going hungry and are desperate for help.

i don't have any now you know i have 3 children i don't receive any help from the government because i have my own business so they don't help me there's very many people here who are small entrepreneurs do not get any help now i am a taxidriver and can't make a living because we each passenger and i pick up and what does the government give us. how crude it's not because of the car engine we know how crude it's food that people are asking for a now. the word hunger has been projected on some of santiago's most iconic buildings chileans there are denying the government's perceived lack of help making

matters worse the bund democrats led to a spike in food prices large parts of chile were placed under lockdown as the virus took hold the spite the president promising 2 and a half 1000000 food parcels to the needy the move has failed to kill tensions latin american studies professor daniel schorr believes the leaders lost his sense of reality. just food was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back and people came into the streets and one of the slogans was respect the quarantine but we're not going to stay here and stop ours so people came into the streets and what has been in the neoliberal cabinet do in simple goal pinochet as style instead of offering food services and what the people need they offer up got to be nettles the infamous military police more repression water hoses and tanks which are not going to solve the everyday problems in santiago de chile in the other press communities

across chilling sebastiaan piñera somebody that they do not identify with that has never had to suffer the way that the everyday people of chile do so we could see this come to a common eating head in the coming weeks. with being lifted worldwide the world health organization warns the worst may not yet be over we'll debate that issue right after the short is the break.

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hello again with the countries around the world slowly emerging out of confinement a resurgence in corona virus cases being reported in europe in asia prompting fears of an imminent 2nd wave on monday china moved to a place some 100000000 people in its north east region. back in lockdown amid a growing number of infection clusters being reported now the move is a reversal from beijing's previous aim of having the country back on track to normality nearby regions have also implemented protests of measures cross europe countries have been cautious in relaxing their lockdowns fearing a phased approach european businesses including small shops hairdressers for instance have reopened in some countries while schools and cultural sites have also begun opening their doors to whoever it lay in spain have both reported a spike in covert $1000.00 tests this choose they while countries including germany

reported an increase in post locked on infections europe's top w.h.o. official hers delivered a stark warning against underestimating the threat of a 2nd. we know from history that in pandemics to countries that have not been hit early on can be hit in the 2nd week people think lockdown is finished nothing has changed the full disease control package has to be in place. or at a wealth of expertise joins me live now in the program charlie boyle economic financial commentator professor frank for ready emeritus professor of sociology at the university of kent and dr mohamed. just outline castor university welcome to you all mohammed can we just kick off with you what we were speaking about there a moment ago new cases of covert are being recorded particularly in china inside korea which we know were among the 1st countries to tackle the pandemic is this going to be the sonority or for all countries lifting lockdowns now in the months to come are you expecting more cases how likely is

a 2nd cold wave and when could we expect that to happen. yes well thank you very much for having me on the show i think the important thing to understand here is that loss majority of people in the whole world are still on in fact and so they don't have any bodies against them and these people if they are 'd in the situation of social distancing and the social behavior are changing they are going to interact again and therefore the trust mission of the virus would increase significantly and that's what we have it been a source for example a small scale population studies have been conducted through europe indicates that around 80 to 90 percent people are still on infected they don't have anybody then even the people who have the antibodies you're not to get entered protected against the law so therefore the chances for this white has to come back if we believe mature legal acts to control them a year would be significantly higher and if that is so. going to be it is inevitable and this will be at the same scale or own the board depending on the

scale of the initial disease because what we have seen is that the country's a lot of heads less at the 1st instance there were probably be scumming to the infection in the 2nd to me charlie it's not a secret that the fight against the virus costs of some of money markets are shrinking on employment on the rise but if there is another wave and more lockdowns how do you think the global economy will get through are we standing on the brink of an on precedented 2nd crisis. yeah i mean and i think mentioned this before we've only been propped up by re are unprecedented amounts of monetary stimulus of the last few months hence one of the stock markets in particular have become a you know 2030 percent but i can't go on forever obviously don't make a big distinction between the stock market which is forward looking and everything else which is the real economy which drives productivity i think we have to understand as a globe what we really mean by getting back to normal. you know social distancing

on march 2nd are going to be a reality for at least the next 6 to 12 months even if we get a vaccine it's going to take a lot of time to get it to people i think the better option really is the is the antivirals that. sort of accounts are out the immune response that economically i think we need to get back to some so that moment people need to go to work you know the u.k. for example we've had this stay at home message just really confused people because the problem is people haven't been keeping a car rather than just staying home yet that's not the solution the solution is to get back to work and get back to normal but it's not going to be normal like we had before and we need just needs to as soon as possible and how to have the right measures i mean if you look at the state just very quickly talk about this quarantining of people coming to the country well that's all well and good but they cannot be at what they can on the london tube which are under keepable and in fact people on the way back in and the quarantine for 14 days so a lot of the sayings just make no sense we could get back to normal somehow let's

stay in the u.k. move to frank for any frank n.h.s. stuff we're concerned over the must gatherings on vdare just less than a fortnight ago or so and that was under lockdown of course will people just on a human level will people follow social distancing after restrictions are released do you think or will they become less cautious. i think opinion is quite divided on this there are a lot of risk averse people in the u.k. who literally do not want to step up doors and are very scared far too scared to the point at which they become literally paralyzed and then there are people who are taking a very robust and you know sort of leg down low down approach and more and more people are coming outside and it seems to me that this kind of division between people is going to harden because at the time goes by for a lot of us it becomes almost impossible to live our lives in the in the words we'd rather

a lot and risk getting infected or contaminated by this particular virus because at the end of the day acting a lot of people realize that living under a long down condition is not only not a solution to anything but it's intolerable in terms of conducting our lives and we have to figure out a way of dealing and can dealing with the virus containing its destructive dangerous effects law getting on with life because we cannot put our life on hold indefinitely no matter how many times the virus comes back and i think the lesson from the source who watch will point of view is that if you have to learn to live a devout it's going to be here for a long to come adapted and develop a new way of living that allows us to work allows us to socialize mohammad just only the 2nd extended spike if it does happen is there agreement between scientists on the matter and can we expect medical systems to be ready for

a 2nd wave. what can we do to soften the blow. well the problem is that many systems are still not ready for the 1st we mean when i mean if we look onto the infrastructure that is an inquiry to tackle the 1st we are going to still insufficient i mean we don't really see a scale of testing that is being done to me to assess what is the all about leo and we are planning to open the school so certainly did it must be a. national level of consent required to do assess where we are standing at the moment and what will be doing and in the coming weeks and a 2nd to be able to possibly be the situation specially when the control of millions will be let but as it stands no i don't think of any gun sound and because any preparedness at this moment charley this is again costing taxpayers incredible amounts of money particular where you are in the n.h.s. the government is paying. up to 80 percent for a sizeable amount of its workforce essentially to stay at home isn't it. how far

can that continue like what kind of strategy do you expect from governments in the case of a 2nd wave could they do this again or would it simply by the country. well i think it's already pretty close to bankruptcy in most western countries and if you look at the debt to g.d.p. ratios and almost to the point of greece when they defaulted so i think we've gone too far in this one i've said this many times before the actual point being like a broken record we haven't picked up a problem before that so we weren't ready for that for the 1st wave i think your other guest said about 5 rightly we can't afford a 2nd rate but term i think the bigger issue now at the moment let's take on the medical. part of it is these bailouts some of shallowing and where whatever you want to call it it's a little come a point where around we care massive sort of the basement of our currency and you know interest rates are going to be forced through the roof governments not to be able debts back and get not shouldn't play should not start in what's happened and

it doesn't happen overnight didn't happen overnight in zimbabwe for example so. but lots of people that seem to be ignoring this just in the can down the road but all these people have incentives to work for the mainstream and there are incentives to you know basically socialize everything including companies that belt out that buying back their own stock for 10 years so we're in a mess and he really knows how it's going to sort of hand out but most important thing right now is to get some sort of normality so we can't afford a 2nd wave. you know it's testing and the infrastructure is is quietly important right now and we really need to get going frank it's fascinating if not downright scary what happens there from a sociological point of view is that a break changes the way we live we've already seen i've been speaking about a drumin devices in europe and parise trucking. in forcing lock downs that's now been put to one side but that's that was the plan we're trying to avoid close contact. as charlie was saying there are hugs and handshakes there or i did the

question come the expect that the new rules or are they here for good or is now or will people fight back against that. i think people will fight back against it because if you can get off for a few months not holding people you can maybe live for a year with minimal physical contact but social distancing and human life were actually contradictory you cannot conduct a proper community life and have a sense of solidarity if you become so i to my son one another and at a certain point we need to have a big discussion on what's the meaning of life in a new potentially dangerous situation and i think at the moment we seem to have this a one dimensional response that we must do everything possible to stay indoors most everything possible in order to prevent us from being contaminated which i can understand but at the same time we forget that if we go down that road in that one dimensional sense we end up giving up our lives and then we have basically

undermined the capacity of young people to flourish under these kinds of conditions so we've got to work out of bounds a new normal balance that allows us to live as human beings last of the same time take certain sensible precautions particularly to protect the most fragile sections of our society ok just to get your final thoughts all 3 of you starting with mohamed and maybe you could mix in the point that are you are you positive in any way that there will be a way i did this that in the proceeding months to come we're going to see some good at least on some normality inserted. well speaking on the scientific perspective i think we all end up in last 5 months the public have seen a full of what are biomedical research that we don't need to play months we.