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hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lobo it appears a new cold war is in play this time waged against china what are the terms of engagement what does it mean to win this conflict and is all out war possible how did the u.s. and its alliance allies find themselves in this situation. to cross up this and more i'm joined by my guest when he came in london she is a policy analyst and senior lecturer in chinese international political economy.

and in washington we crossed. is a senior fellow at the independent institute ok i'm going to be good to you 1st in washington i mean if you look at the mainstream media and this is what russia gate seems to wind down the banks have come out for china and some of the groups some really very very harsh editorials are being written there in the washington post new york times and the canadian press and even in the british press here is this a new cold war and if it is how is it different when the what would probably one that was against the soviet union go ahead in washington. well i think it's a little bit of a stroke and say it's a cold war yet i mean i think this is actually nearing frankly end but you know foreign countries sort of been historically have realized and though of presidential election years especially candidates you know attack foreign countries . and try to stir things up because especially if they're in trouble in other ways

and i think our current president having difficulty with his response to the virus and also the economy the economic ramifications of course which other countries are also experiencing but in our country. you know of course especially chop his the real action really depends on the economy going well since he's a minority president that has get a majority the 1st time so i think you're seeing a lot of the election here and that things may die down you know after the election season either kill him lose the election and somebody else will come in and buy or will be reelected and the aim to get some sort of agreement with chinese perhaps it's hard to say what will happen but certainly this there is rising tensions and he's also attacking the w.h.o. as a child as have the. and you have too much influence and when it's an international

organization it's certainly there's a lot of questions that could be asked about them are you a challenge response but. legitimate questions but i think that was probably not the time to do it and now we saw it. yesterday where they the countries china russia. the european countries sided against the u.s. and its tomato into the organizations and that. is trying to attack that as well to attack china but its offer electoral purposes really you know when he did in it seems to me that a quite a bit of this is it is deflecting away from globalization because what we have seen for the last 35 years is elites in the west the embracing globalization in china is certain to be has benefited from it enormously how many tens hundreds of millions have been people been pulled out of poverty i mean it's one of the most extraordinary stories and history here but you know they talked about all the great

things of globalization and if you were against that then you were somehow an isolationist or something like that and and now they may you see they change the narrative being against china it's all china's well i mean as an american i know how fragile the apparent in medical system is because it's driven by profits it's not driven by taking care of people so that's one thing as i hear but i mean to kind of reply to what i can said there you see this is basically being its origins being in domestic politics because it is it's the the big tree always pretty strong i mean i haven't seen a lot of things like something like this for a very long time and we have to keep in mind we went through 3 and a half years would be useless russia gate okes go ahead and want. to sell a lot of that kind of big show that we're seeing is i agree that it is new with regards to china has never been this strong but. from what i know of american

politics americans love having a bad guy. and so we had the u.s.s.r. in the eighty's we had japan we had the axis of evil in the middle east in iraq and afghanistan china is a perfect example of this right now because if we're going around the idea of globalization the whole point of globalization right now is that globalization under american edition was another deal that was system that was established and led american led institutions multilateral institutions i.m.f. world and b.t.o. w.h.o. if we're talking about the problem we have right now is the globalization we're experiencing is that it's not an american only dominated american men and anymore it's not that the chinese economy has done so it so basti well over the last few decades the fact that the chinese were imperative in their part whereas the imperative in the part of their participation after the 2000 equal financial crisis and as a means of bailing out not just individual economies but the euro the euro area

as well raises a lot of concerns as to this this i known factor and what it means for where we are going and so when it comes to a lot of the things that the chinese are doing because it is not under u.s. direction or influence and you also have the fact that a lot of traditional american allies like the big 3 in the year in the euro the euro zone or the british are not following the lead we as americans this creates a lot of problems and a lot of concerns within the american electorate as well as in particular the american elite you know it's really interesting and really you were very gentle and diplomatic in your language of what i've been i'll say but i think if you have american hegemony is being threatened and that's what it's really all up and it's really quite interesting you know i'm good at it. from you because i wrote i read your article that was the only. american. conservative you have on the one hand an

illustration this telling it's a. treaty allies you know you have to start paying for your own defense you know if you know particularly in the big area where you america now actually elyse should cough up more money. but then at the same time they there seems to be it means between leave this huge pivot to go to to asia here i mean it is very contradictory and winning is absolutely right a lot of american allies are not only in step and so this is grating even more frustration for a political eastley united states go ahead in washington. yeah i think that's true and basically as i just the president we have other senators that are saying well we need more submarines we need more jet fighters in the fight in the east asia sattar and so they're taking advantage of the kobe crisis to demonize china and of course. you know there was already pointed out that the u.s.

does like to have a hand in here i would only agree with that statement i think the iranians don't realize that because there's an article today the new york times that saying you know your odds are pretty astute they're trying to you know call things down in the tensions between the u.s. and iran because they know it is an election year and i think historically you know social science research indicates that countries do this because specially with the united states because they know things get heated up in the election but certainly what we're saying is that republicans are trying to take advantage in this particular case of a crisis we had obama in a domestic crisis with the great recession his chief of staff said never a lot of crisis go to waste and what they did back then was to take advantage of the economic crisis to get. fairly unrelated thing health care you know obama care bush did it with 911 going after iraq and this time it's. well

we have this code 19 and it started in china so therefore the chinese response of all. are we blew our response to it and certainly there the chinese are not scot free here but certainly what's happening as there are exaggerating the demonization china to build up militarily spent a lot of money and it is partly i would say the military industrial complex and the chinese hawks are you know taking advantage of the crisis oh yeah well you know me you know the military industrial complex loves welfare we all know that ok but you know when. you know. it when it's correct to do to point out obama's response to the 2008. prices here now we're talking about more submarines more jets more aircraft i mean it's a very very different here and the thing is here is that one and i i'm a realist i don't i don't understand why china is tonight to be able to pursue its

own defined defense interests this is what the american elites never do they always define what everyone's interests are and they expect them to follow it and countries like russia china iran say no we have a different definition of our sovereignty and we go to the eventual latest and you use the word sovereignty a lot and this is this misalignment and because it's about the military and we'll talk about a couple even the 2nd half of the program it's supremely important and we have to be very careful of errors go ahead absolutely i think your point saying in terms of the americans feel that they traditionally have been in it in a position to be able to dictate or at least. lead convince governments which way that they should be focusing their military targets in their military prowess is quite significant in a key part and that is because for china and actually for most governments the military is more than john. power the military is also very symbolic has a lot has

a lot of deterrence about and. since the 1990 s. it is not just americans but americans have led the way since the 1990 s. the whole idea of chinese containment which is really expanding now. has it has been their idea of china ideologically speaking has been a challenge because it continues to be a holdover from the you know the era of the red scare in iraq and and so it becomes a matter of how can you how can you allow the world's most populous country now the world's 2nd largest economy to grow on income birds and ultimately focus on its own decision to have a military like almost all governments in the world do unless you're like a government like it can where you have historically in a position where you can't ok so for the chinese idea that you want to build your own military is

a position of you know what historically we have this history of imperial powers coming in dictating to us what we can and cannot do we want to have a military we'll have a military we've told our citizens the whole aim is to have a secure and. strong nation that is. good i think we have to throw in we have to understand you mentioned but i think we need to stress it is that china is experiencing a form of western containment directed by the united states i mean you have a military base the surrounding the country here i mean it's the fact that it's called the south china sea for a reason because it's next to china ok as well it is trying to the chinese is ours i know don't have a fleet in the caribbean or off you know california and i think that this is something that a lot of western audiences and voters they don't understand that ok because if you have a huge. the largest most powerful military power in the history of the world right

off your coast telling you where you can go where you can go that does seem threatening and i think that's legitimate i wouldn't jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the new cold war instruct state. we go to work for you straight home.

during the vietnam war u.s. forces also bombs in neighboring laos it was a secret war and for years the american people did not know. how much anticipation mounts every bad country per capita of all human history millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this small agricultural country. we have been going to continue to happen. even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the us making amends for the tragedy in laos what helped to the people need in that little land on. welcome back across town where all things are considered i'm trying to we're discussing the cold war against china.

let's go back to london when you want to finish up one before we do the break right and so i think a whole point of the chinese containment that that i mentioned earlier and which you also talked about is also was reiterated by obama's 2000 and egypt where we then saw the expansion of military bases not just linked to the da mediate region around china but also into guam the it know the philippines as well as australia so there was a. specific message that americans are sending to the chinese about military the military industry and the need to protect themselves so it is not actually not surprising that the chinese are reacting in a way they are ok i mean let's go back to washington i mean given everything we've said in the program here and it's focus a little bit more on the military that i'm probably want to do and i will switch gears and talk about the economy so we have these we have to saudi arabia savva rattling going on here but you have an enormous amount of codependency here and

this move to decouple which you know i mean when it comes down and i buy on it soon ventilators and i think that's right ok yeah i mean i think any large country should be prepared to protect their population because people tend to forget endemic sperm and grow it's part of our human history ok and just that in this case we try to use. a corral all the healthy at the expense of the of the people that are ill usually was the other way around you quarantined ill people now it's the general population so i think it's perfectly reasonable for every country to be prepared in a medical sense but it goes far more than that i've been because over the last 30 years they say china still john john you can steal one job it was the american corporate elites that sent their jobs over there and now we have this quandary can the u.s. and china even decouple they've wanted to. well i think it's very difficult and

i'm not saying that that should happen i mean i think what you have when stuff probably not going to happen is we have both parties in the united states are fairly protectionist now the republicans used to be a little bit more free trade in the past but you know people are very i think the key 1000 a recession really caused people to to that the cliff and that people are concerned about their jobs going over. he's and of course it's easy just doing what we're talking about earlier to saying that evil is a foreign government. 5 and when it was a free market decision many of those jobs are some are going from china to. some of the poor countries as china develops you know we have a proud noble lifecycle theory where you know china and the united states should probably let some of those jobs go and produce more highly technological things and

you know that's the nature in and bring out that would bring out the developing world as well so i'm not sure that globalization is a bad thing now the problem is some people lose their jobs and some people don't some people profit enormously from it and i think that's where the political problem comes in all these countries not just the u.s. but other countries as well particularly in the u.s. and i think. and even the democratic candidate hillary clinton last time she kind of flipped she was a free trader before and she fled to the protectionist position but i think it was the previous recession now of course we're having an even bigger recession so i don't and anticipate that who is asia is going to be a more popular probably the last popular but of course globalization has made brought many countries up the good in china and it's not just an advantage in china

it damage the united states as well now are some of these countries going to have to make sure take some measures to to take the rough edges off that maybe but of course steve that has cost so but added to your point i think it's going to get worse and we do know we are in or china is china and that's a good thing and here is the reason for that. graham allison wrote a book where he catalogued. the 16 they cut instances sensed in the 1500 a rising power and dominick our abilities draco went into contact conflict and only for those cases was peace and she there was a hot war and in the other 12 cases were just bad however the last 2 cases the soviet union vs us they hadn't yet nuclear weapons and then and with the british and the us which was

a successful transition from the rising to the to the dominant power you had a deep trade relationship and you had a big ocean well with china we have all 3 of those they have nuclear weapons we have nuclear weapons we have a big interconnected economically and we have an even bigger so you know if you're a realist there's some hope that this might be worked out of course the us behavior as it has been pointed out is not in that direction but as the us china rises and the us hopefully will realize that. you know there's room to let china have a sphere in clusters run don't russia have us. and i think when the us does that maybe we'll have you know the big powers which completes the region of the world of course we have been influenced and one technique of the empire us empire is we say oh well spheres of influence and so yesterday but of course that's still how the world works underneath it all all underneath all the you know b.s.

of that and that's just a way of saying well we'll determine what your severe mental insists and we don't think it should be that much in europe with russia in east asia and china but it is the realists will take over then we would have we would say well you know this this is work in the past when we had these constraints against one power you know when a hot war we have it we do i think we there are several factors that you can be optimistic. maybe you want to have a hot one because if we have a hot war it better stay limited or it's going to be real nasty just like it was in the cold war you know we needed the printing of what was just said is and so absolutely correct because it really at the end of all the fundamentals are there for a coming to terms it seriously but there's one little wrinkle this stopping all of it it's called american exceptionalism they can't in american exceptionalism can

not deem china as a equal here it's not part of the the ideological construct ok that is the biggest problem a lot of people are having because really gemini it is unlimited it's everything that's what we used to work ok it's all right and you can't have this limited gemini it doesn't work that way and also i would point out and i'm going to go out alone here is also we're seeing for the 1st time in 500 years on your and european or european extension our come as being the hedge amount and this is something that the western world has can't comprehend ok i mean it's a form of orientalism and it comes from the west ok and i think there's a fear factor there i mean looking at some of the editorials that i read this morning there is certainly is a civilizational element to it go ahead. so i would agree with you the fact that

americans cannot agree that china has equal power or an equal peer and he part behind that is because if you see it as equal it means is equal in clout in dominance in leadership in influence and in prowess as well as in fact ok there is also is a fundamental thing that there's a gap in terms of the american knowledge is a fact that they don't actually know what china wants in order for you to have a hot war china has to want to go to war china doesn't want to go to war. ok for china if you want to with we're focusing on the issues of globalization or the cost that will come if we stop globalization is the key things that will happen is that you will have decline of influence and dominance of multilateral institutions that were led in established by the by the western powers and well you will then see is that the chinese similar to what people are talking about with regard to w.h.o. is you're saying well you either w.-h. will fall in line with us or you fall in line with china which one do you want right in china is willing to say listen we're willing to stay with this globalized

globalization light and say let's work together and find some way china said it's willing to be open to investigation we just don't want to investigate investigation is led by the americans which i can see there's a certain legitimacy to you because there's a clear ideological partisan element to that i think the key point behind it is that when we're talking about whether or not there's a cold war between china and the u.s. the key i think what we need to recognize is that yes there is it's just not the same or in the same way that we would see it happening with the u.s.s.r. the u.s.s.r. was about ideology and it was a hard power presumably listen right from the u.s. from the from the chinese perspective when it comes to we when we saw in the 1980 s. the kind of trade war that was happening between the americans and the japanese as they saw the japanese rise as a potential hedge of mine in the international system the trade war basically was a way to eliminate that what we see an initially happening after the trade war between a waitress came to power is the movement towards

a tech war. and what we saw immediately after that was when the saying listen always 80 you cannot engage with us what did they do they said that's ok you know why because we already have our operating system yeah i mean knows it's coming as not stupid so it's a matter of trying to can anticipate because america quite similar to what i was saying is it has a playbook and has never really deviated from it but we don't know what china's going to do because china's never been in this position before so it's preparing for all eventually so we'll talk about the idea of a cold war it is there it just is not in the traditional way that we would expect when it came to the u.s.s.r. i mean you know one of the things during it we sense very looking at the comparison to the the what we call the cold war to the 2nd world war one of the things that happened it was a good thing is that you had western policymakers and politicians they had a habit of trying to put themselves in the other guy's shoes that seems that

process seems to have disappeared is you know asking you know what do they want and how can we how can we come to terms of them keeping our values and our interests at the forefront but still being able to listen to the other our interlocutor that doesn't happen right now at least maybe it's because of the the anxiety that this pandemic and the economic turndown has created but you know that doesn't seem to be a lot of cooler heads in trying to understand what's going on here yeah that there are there are differences big differences and there is competition but as you pointed out graham allison talked about how you can avoid that last 30 seconds go to you. yeah i would say that that's true i think in the ninety's with the unit polar moment as it was as it was call the u.s. got a little too you know high on the horse there are sort of speak in its in its version of the world we were now dominant in want to tell people what to do before there was always a constraint on the soviet union being there and then it went away and. this

occurred during the british in the 800 s. when the british and the us the british were originally very arrogant and they gradually they came to see that these factors take all and i think that i'm hoping that we'll have u.s. leadership and i have something i started ok when other countries i'm out of i gather would run out and i want to make my guest in london and in washington i want to make our viewers they're watching us here are you see you next time remember. you are no offense but you no longer a young woman in fact you're one of the last living survivors of the nazi ellis asked i'm aware of it. you leave for a day. all your life. and you can never forget there can no auschwitz

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truth. this is r.t. u.k. welcome to our viewers from around the world where life from central london are currently awaiting the government's daily coronavirus press briefing given today by home secretary pretty pretty well meanwhile our other headlines this hour. the u.k. government is set to outline quarantine plans for international travelers pretty aviation experts warn it could destroy the industry. the scientific group advising the u.k. government publishes its evidence for the reopening of schools in june but only feel some certainty among teachers and parents are we talking to an expert in

online learning. leaks a government report reveals that emergency responders are concerned out the prospect of britain leaving the e.u. without a day off with the virus still contained we hear from politics expert we can now cross live to the u.k. help secretary proceed with our leading. good afternoon and welcome to the government's daily briefing on coronavirus i'm pleased to be joined this afternoon by pulling kim the director general of border force and bice a patch of balance our chief scientific advisor firstly i'd like to update you on the latest daily figures 3000000 231920 one test the coronavirus have now been carried out in the u.k. including 140497 tests carried out yesterday 254195 people have tested positive and that is an

increase of 3287 cases since yesterday. 9307 people are currently in hospital with corona virus that is down 14 percent from 10780. around this time last week. and sadly of those tested positive for corona virus across all settings 36393 people have now died that is an increase of 351 fatalities since yesterday all of thoughts prayers and deeply sympathies remain with all those who've lost their loved ones but at this time of national emergency it is crucial that we continue to remain alert and save countless more lives and that means doing everything in our power to control this terrible disease taking the right action at the right time to prevent

a 2nd deadly wave and that is why i am announcing today the next step in our cross government approach and these include temporary public health restrictions at the border and let me explain why we are bringing these forward as other issue of course finally started to ease fall into hot months of lockdown the answers to why we're bringing these measures in now is simple it is to protect that hard won progress and prevent a devastating resurgence in the 2nd wave of the virus we are following the science and introduce him public health measures that are supported by sage this will rule will require international arrivals to self isolate for 14 days that is the incubation period of the virus so that if people have become infected overseas we can limit the spread of the virus act home and as we are taking this action we are taking it at

a time when it will be the most effective. passengers arrivals have been down by 99 percent compared to the previous year now we are past the peak of this virus we must take steps to guard against imported cases triggering a resurgence of this deadly disease and as the transmission rate across the united kingdom falls and the number of travelers arriving in the u.k. begins to increase imported cases could begin to pose a larger and increased threat this is because they could become a high proportion of the overall number of infections in the u.k. and therefore increase the spread of the disease so with far fewer people being infected in this country and with the public having worked so hard to bring the our number down any new arrivals entering the country with the disease during this next phase will have a much bigger impact potentially causing a 2nd wave now this is of course a different story from when to message transmission was at its peak and when

overseas travel was at an all time low. let by the prime minister the whole government has worked across all government departments including with the devolved administration to develop these measures and we do not take these steps nightly this is extremely challenging and these are difficult times for the entire nation as our freedoms have been sadly but necessarily cattails but we do not underestimate how hard these new restrictions will be for people up and down the country and also those who have already sacrificed so much to help beat and drive down the spread of coronavirus and i know the families both at home and abroad are desperate to be reunited but by taking these steps we can save many more lives by making it possible for more family and more friends to safely be reunited in the future we also recognize how hard these changes will be for our travel factor and leisure setters who are already struck in through these unprecedented times so

across government we will continue to work with them and support what is an incredibly dynamic sector to find new ways to reopen international travel and tourism in a safe and responsible way we will review these temporary public health measures every 3 weeks to ensure they remain the right ones for our roadmap to recovery and these measures will be introduced from the 8th of june so that people arriving in the u.k. will be required to self isolate for 14 days except for those on the shortlist of exemptions arrivals will be required to provide contact and address details to help trace them should we need to and given the amazing public spirit and the level of compliance we have seen so far we expect the vast majority of people to do the right thing and comply with these new requirements we know that the vast majority of people will continue to act responsibly to control the spread of this virus and to stop a 2nd wave. but we will not allow a small minority

a reckless minority to injure in dangerous all so there will be penalties for those who break these mandatory measures border force will be on the front line of implementing the changes with bought checks of people arrive in the u.k. and poor lincoln the director general of border force will shortly speak to us and he'll provide an update on the steps that people need to take out also like to take this opportunity to thank our board for staff and our officers for the role that they will play and for all that they are doing to protect our nation at this deeply challenging time we are working across all 4 nations of the u.k. to make these public health measures work but are now turning to the enforcement approach that is being taken here in england we will conduct spot checks by mid june to ensure that people are out of isolate him and those from overseas who refuse to comply could be refused entry public health england will set up an assurance service to contact people or

a transient to ensure that they understand the requirements and to also ensure that they are self isolate him and our outstanding please will continue to do as they've done diligently across the country to engage explain and encourage people to follow the rules we will empower them to use important as a last resort so anyone break in their 14 day quarantine could face a penalty of $1000.00 pounds and that will be a fixed penalty notice and ultimately that could also go into potential prosecution and an unlimited fine for failure to comply with these sanctions we will keep these penalties under review and we'll be unafraid to increase them if that is required. but i have no doubt we are taking these measures at the right time because we're serious about saving lives and control in the boy eras and we will be guided by the science and the public health of the public and the country will always come 1st

which is why we are implementing these restrictions at the border now our absolute priority remains to stop the spread of this infection to save lives and to stop of and prevent a 2nd dangerous wave of this virus that also means supporting our n.h.s. and making short term sacrifices together to stop coronavirus taking more lives i'm now going to hand over to pull income from border force who will update us who provide an operational update buso talk about the measures and how they will be implemented thank you well that was u.k. home secretary pretty purcell giving the government's daily coronavirus press briefing and she confirmed plans to quarantine international travelers returning to the u.k. to try to stop the spread of the virus for r t u k shadi evers daschle joins me with more on this one shot it was pretty much what we expected was an absolutely we did expect that she would fail another step in the right direction to try and stop the spread of the virus and keep that our number low by officially announcing the government's quarantine policy now essentially

what it does is it will anyone coming into the u.k. for 4 could face a penalty of a 1000 pounds if they fail to self isolate as soon as people arrive in britain and then however they do by plane train that have to fill out their contact details under these plans health officials will be able to spot checks based on that information but as pretty to tell set some categories will be exempt from these measures and as part of tom mentioned the government will look to review the policy every 3 weeks to make sure that they're the right policies for that time now by and large these policies were particularly welcome but some argue that this quarantine policy is new to. unimplementable because anybody coming into the night. it came to will they be monitored of how are they going to get to their final destination they will majority of which will be using public transport which will by and large mean that it will defeat the point entirely now this was an issue actually that was

raised before pretty tough to surely announce these policies during the home affairs select committee where the chief executive of airport operators association also wanted to see the evidence behind and why some people will be exempt from this policy of course an airline is not going to fly a flight if there are only one or 2 people who are exempted that will. come in here so you know and that's why we're concerned about the way that this will operate in may simply to lay ground shut down already. now unsurprisingly there has been some criticisms about the timing of all of this just over a month ago dominic roth who was standing in for boris johnson the prime minister who himself was on well with 19 he said that these plans would be put in place a little bit soon and now pretty fertile just that they that this is the most effective time for these policies to be put in place but the shadow health

secretary john ashworth he argues that the united kingdom is acting a little bit too late when it comes to quarantining because if you look at other countries and their models they've already done this well ahead of the united kingdom very much at the beginning of that retrospective knockdowns and in some cases some even alleviating these restrictive measures whereas here in the united kingdom we are day one of it so some argue it is a little bit too late however these plans are aimed at trying to reduce the our number trying to make sure there isn't a 2nd wave of this virus or 2nd peak and 1st 2nd week running the transmission rate has remained quite steady still between a 0.7 and one across the united kingdom as a reminder then all right is the average number of people and in fact possible pasta disease on 2 as you can see on your screen then if the number was 3 then the virus would spread exponentially from one person to 3 people even if the numbers

above one infection will increase and could lead to a 2nd peak so the government wants to keep it below one at all times if it is but i want them the outbreak will flatten over time so the government says with the prevalence of the virus the travel quarantine could be quite effective and can help prevent the infection being imported from abroad pretty patel says it's a temporary measure it will be up for review but of course many people across the country it will cause doubts for them about their potential summer holidays. thank you very much indeed thank you. i mean while the scientific group of rising the u.k. government on the coronavirus pandemic has published its evidence justifying the reopening of schools in england from june the 1st the announcement of the modeling comes amid pressure from unions and councils to publish the science proving it was safe for students to return sage's said the advice given to the government modeled a range of scenarios including pupils attending classes alternative weeks but the

advice only highlighted the uncertainty surrounding the infection rates of children compared to adults as well as concerns around social distancing when it comes as a survey of councils in england found only a 5th of those who responded said they would reopen for some year groups in june 15 local authorities located mostly in northern england said schools under their jurisdiction would remain shut citing safety concerns and a further 11 councils said the issue is still under consideration while more than half said they were letting individual schools decide on whether they were in a position to reopen more widely meanwhile an alternative group to sage led by former chief scientific advisor to david king says the reopening should be delayed it pending or when the school reopened laying by 2 weeks obs the rate of infection you larry to september brings down the embankment probability to a much lower number. well for reaction i'm now joined by education and online

learning expert mary morris and mary thank you for joining us is it time for westminster to allow councils to decide for themselves when school should be opened based on their own local situations. well i don't believe so yes i mean it's really very difficult for the government to dictate this is today reopen insurance policies every school every council has their own context and their own reasons following that advice were choosing to delay and it really is the kind of vision that i believe should be devolved to individual school have teachers and councils but in the meantime independent science advisor suggest a 2 week delay or even a september restart but doesn't risk leaving students behind if schools choose different options well yeah if there's a disparity in the time school opened of course there is going to have a knock on effect to different cohorts a series we're already looking at that seems out of prioritizing your town's year one year 6 year 12 those students who will be directly taking in port exams in the

following academic year are of course school leaders and everyone in the education system is acutely aware that some students will suffer more than others if they are deprived access to school we have to balance that or against the other risk which is that reopening schools wholesale so easier groups might increase the risk of infection and cause a 2nd wave that prolongs quarantine even further well in the meantime they also could be a technology or an expert in online learning is there a way to combine technology with other measures to ensure a process can be taught safely. well certainly a misses been happening in school since long before coronavirus crisis and the currency most schools use education technology in all sorts of contexts to support learning how to help students essentially take control of their own learning and it back hind approach really helps teachers become more effective you narrative teach her how extremes one to one so platforms like to hire one that i develop but many

others out there. are an essential part of most schools armory now we do without currency in times like this the ability of technology to help us how teachers connected students remotely is is very profound and it's really making a difference and it does create options for those schools to stay closed in the public health interest for longer without too much of the next in effect on students educated well bearing that in mind then should the government be preparing a long term strategy for alternative education if for instance this crisis were to continue beyond thanks dear well we hope it doesn't extend our lawn but absolutely they should be and i believe they are d.f.e. is liaising constantly with besides which is the british british educations association they're in constant talks about how as a country we can make sure students are adequately served our education the evenness very not able to access the rules so that's happening but of course

there's always more work to do and that work is being done and finally mary what measures would you like to see in place before class if there is even person. well i would like to see the general tone of conversation around this whole problem our unity cation are giving a little bit more credit a little a little more respect and create critics to teachers and their own decisions there's a little bit of an unpleasant. attitude which is that teachers are refusing to work in schools because they're in some way too lazy or they're not they're not keen to get that sort which is insane with schools are remained open throughout this entire crisis is children they stayed open through all of these and they're doing an amazing job to try and provide the best station a challenge to students. government the d.s.p. and the general public need to trust teachers man teaches some major decision that is best for their students and make text and provide them with as much scientific

advice stakeouts make the best decision they can for their students are marston thank you very much and if you feel it. can still to come this out. and they can report shows that local emergency responders are concerned i will potential no deal gregg says we're here for the politics that.

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welcome back and the u.k. government report has revealed emergency responders are concerned about the prospect of an idea that one of the report's contributors claims it's not the right time to be dealing with a potential you crash out we are currently in an unprecedented national emergency they will have health economic social and political impacts for years to come to respond to community is exhausted floods no but chalk terrorism breck said preparations except the last thing we need is a no deal brags that if we want to do recovery properly we do no have the space to start scaling up a bracks response to this needs to be fed into hate government thinking no this isn't pro breck's it is about being sensible for the recovery process and the health and well being of our responders. well the report compiled by the c. 19 for side creep reviewed the coronavirus response by local resilience forums well this is

a regional groupings of local emergency responders such as police and firefighters the 42 different groups are tasked with planning the response to national emergencies which range from disease to extreme flooding more than $200.00 local emergency responders were consulted the report complains that failing to extend the breaks a transition period would only compound the co-written $1000.00 crisis rexx at trade talks are going ahead in spite of the pandemic and the transition period is set to expire in december the government has repeatedly ruled out an extension despite warnings from europe that a free trade deal may be impossible to negotiate before the deadline the ministry of housing communities and local government has responded to the leaked report it says it's well prepared to support local authorities once the implementation period ends or politics expert john meant turn and thinks the report's revelation shouldn't come as a surprise we've known for a long time the nerdier broke so it would make sense of car park and the consequence of that is almost every available copper in the metropolitan police got

to go down through traffic to do it on the m 2 in the m 20 so in one sense it's nothing new for government i think the issue is what if this cap this coincides the 2nd wave or the pandemic what if this coincides with the difficulty of managing our return to work which is going to take a long time because a covert is the pressure and resource and i think while it won't change minds it does maybe focus a few minds on how many different demands can government locally and centrally in the u.k. take on at once well as are discussing earlier i mean no breaks it it would mind a short extension would they share you with coronavirus being the way it is it is unprecedented isn't it. most brigadier should welcome. an extension of some sort because they don't just want to get out because they've done that what they want is a really good deal with the european union i think that's the issue is now which is

that now we've left which we have. broached years keep changing you know changing the terms they move the goalposts of speak they they say we've no got to have no continual links in any form and if they they they fear that if we do any kind of continuation or extension there will still be within the european union where as we turn it's 2021 but i think given the state of the economy given that we've got huge challenges for all parts of the economy from recovering from from covert it seems you know you you don't want to give a drone through trying to economy an anchor you want to throw the train the economy some kind of a lifebelt. finally dating apps have been experiencing a huge surge in you since the lockdown began dating platform tender reporting 3000000000 swipes were made globally on sunday march the 29th the highest day number recorded the site bilious coronaviruses dramatically changing the way people

use the app with fewer real life meetings but more meaningful online experiences are to your case martin anders takes a look at love in the age of coronavirus. lockdown has brought isolation and financial insecurity to many but it's also changed how we connect with each other professionally socially and even remand tickly yes it's actually very exciting because once we're in a time of the best it's a the one thing that we always ringback see in the dating industry is said in people seeking connection whether it's floor full of turn over for a man's office something far more and i think this time despite it being a pandemic it's no different you know singles and human beings in general see here connection and people are absolutely jumping on line and we've seen a massive 80 percent in people seeking a connection there are over 8000000 single households in the u.k.

while a study from dating site in harmony revealed that half of singletons are turning to virtual dating from tinder to bumbling grindr all dating apps have seen significant spikes during the pandemic and have been forced to make public announcements about social distancing and staying safe it's just different we care more lonely when you meet someone in online when are doing exactly what you were 3 emails i want to meet them to see if there's any connection you know that spark. but you can't you got right now things are becoming easier in parts of the u.k. in england for instance you can now meet one other person from another household each day just for chatting though keeping that to meet a distance but perhaps you don't need to physically meet others believe the focus on the lost art of conversation could mean any bones for sure deeper and more meaningful. it's important to talk and i've always enjoyed talking yes i remember

those days in soho in the ninety's when it was important and you were able to talk to people more so apps has has definitely changed that but with this lockdown i think people are talking more they're all getting to know people better and i think there's a very good chance that the friendships that people create during this lockdown have a more of a chance of actually succeeding when they actually meet them afterwards for others the pressure is off and it could be even more enjoyable than regular dating i've asked more questions when i normally work and then we've also just had fun and kind of. not really have to worry about being too perfect on the call because life isn't perfect right now. it seems different it seems less stress. whether love old lust lockdown is bringing people together whether they stay

together in the real world is another matter but it's never has there been a better time to test the theory that's true love waits even if no one really wants it to martin andrius author u.k. london. what about that more news at the top of the hour see you again see. the goal of the federal reserve bank would be to take the american economy private

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