economic apocalypse plus author and pandemic filmmaker sean stone on just how catastrophic lee badly the u.s. has handled the pandemic all of them are coming up in today's going underground but 1st as the u.k. enters its 10th week of lockdown it arguably becomes clearer and clearer how coronavirus has exposed massive class divisions in britain from private schools remaining closed while boris johnson's government tries to reopen state schools to low wage workers being forced back to work while the rich quarantine at home little wonder perhaps that scores of politicians have written to boris johnson about a thinly veiled class war london has been hardest hit by coronavirus in the race is on for next year's may oral elections joining me now via skype from liverpool is drill minister who this time next year could be the mayor of london thanks so much really for coming back on before we get to the merrill t. and other issues condolences for your loss just tell us your personal. experience of coronavirus it really it's all when it happens you in your old house

hope you see these things aren't you see things the instagram you see also people joking about coronaviruses even at the start news jokes that we couldn't even get started back really where it's not was. a lot of people ready in the n.h.s. the. backgrounds and being from if it minority backgrounds could be being affected by this and the death toll is not that could be changed it was perspective when the new law so it happening if you're my whole family it is not the spectacle and how serious to treat this and not to get caught up in the conspiracy theories because a lot of people seem to have series on this but no one seems to have called me every there's a huge surprise that there's been so little research into why black british asian british jewish british all these different minority groups are disproportionately i mean affected by coronavirus i think a country that is. adamant about its immigration policies and is adamant about get

broke sit down. i think we got caught in the midst of getting broke sit down and forgot about how we're going to survive when something of that impacts it comes along which is obviously i will work president bush no kind of evidence for what happened bought it for us in a position where you now have to look you now have to look at ourselves as a country and look at how we treat immigration how each free those of ethnic minority and i think it's very obvious that we haven't been looking or caring for those people in those positions because when something like this happens then a 1st wants to be affected then there's no inquiry as to what's already 'd known and we don't have any concrete evidence as to if they are truly the to mature even if it did because the stats and information being given out by the government and it 'd warns that well we are receiving a lot will correct that the census itself the census of how many ethnic minorities

and black and 'd ethnic minority ethnic groups are in britain only finishes at 2011 how many send deciles which was in that period from now to 2020 we can't tell you the absolute the figures are not correct meanwhile you and your may oral campaign you seem to have seen off rival that tory contender etonian iraq viceroy has what is being called her a spirit are you supporting boris johnson's plan to send state school children back to school in june i don't know whether he's rolled back a little from that even while eton has decided to leave the pember and cambridge university which a disproportionally takes from private schools won't open till next year either so for every foot his children being put in the necessary danger until war starts and has to carr says for the parents of those children it's so good to get the children out of the parents and everybody's getting up. crudes you know i mean the lot of

the machete from doing the things we love to do is an adaption that is not easy for anyone is that some people are becoming you know poet to another level that we can never really understand and have been affected and the films that are going to happen off that is like there is going to affect them as much as what's happening in the not dark but the same people children to school are necessarily without proper testing the proper truthful walk in submission we have on this disease to see how the rest of the world has cheated as we have found a way to get back to normal civilization and the rest of the world ever able to do this also this is just being foolish is acting before we have a proper information and i feel. if you pour their message out there that poor expendable you have to understand really for that message out there at some point paul are going to not be around anymore if you're right a case that there will only be the rich to do these jobs and if that's what boris johnson was for the future of his country then the 3rd world war is just as good

a leaf received response 3 alyse protects all of these says we should do most important and that's why it's last cell in china get myself into the longer mere position to do my part i know you have got quite famous in this country in the past few days of his saying that boris johnson who famously also said he wanted to shake hands with corona virus patient in hospital he should be sent to woo and do you think it's by design. in this country that ascending in poorer paid people to work while the rich quarantine themselves. if it is a bad habit is this is something that is in a group we designate jobs we don't like to people who feel unless unless this is something that happens in most countries to do anything to do immigration bar we just china in our country have a way 'd of making it seem as still. more distinguished in that we don't look at things that that we have more class about ourselves that we

wouldn't deem anybody an undesirable or some a joke just not desirable but this is what we do this is why we believe people are expendable and dettori government unfortunately and it's not to take it to a political taking southwell the turbot and that's in power right now and whether they're running the government right now is based upon who can bring the most to the table and the massive should the majority the average man unfortunately doesn't fit that criteria so he's expendable his children are expendable his wife is expendable his grandmother was expendable his grandfather was expendable and this is true. this is chauffeured it did a lack of care in the cavils where people grandmothers and grandfathers that be possible where high numbers and we don't know the root tree numbers of what going on in the care homes a lot of parents haven't been visit for a long time does a lot of inspection 'd and checks what happened to corona 'd virus in a lot of their industries down look on protecting their.

places that care homes and mental illness situations the places that do use in people that they're not doing their job is there not work don't suffer isolating themselves there are holes so of course it gets to the point where you know raunch we really truly people are expendable. well in fairness of the government which of course refutes that they are expendable there appears to be a regret emerging from the government about sending untested patients to care homes to the elderly with coronavirus sending them to care whose own people are thinking of voting for you and as you say presumably you are bipartisan you want votes from tory voters and labor voters here in london people are going to ask what are you actually unlivable during the pandemic. i'm in europe all because i'm afraid of city car and i'm not going to pretend he's the guy running the london right now and

the way he's run in london i'm so scared for my family for people i care about and the way that he's well in the underground the transport system the way that he informs the lockdown so late i became frightened for my own safety and i had to come out of the capital because i became ad believe it became the infestation for coronavirus i believe that city had a major part to play in that he has a lot of weight on the shoulders when this is done i don't know how he sleeps at night i don't know how far 6 and that they find a way you know de de de no what set to tell the tale or thrones and of course the previous man we invite the mayor of london on but are you saying that london methody khan who doesn't give daily press conferences like other man has around the world of capital cities that he is to blame for the dysport proportionate numbers of bus drivers that have been killed by coronavirus and transport enough i went on this morning t.v. and i spoke to for this woeful and only will it be and i said to demonstrate lay and lee for the whole nation to see i said hey we need to shut down the transport

systems this is getting out of hand. we need to close the schools streets lay our everything was on lockdown it was shrewish therefore i said that comment only took 3 weeks off of that everything started to happen lock down if shutting down the transport in the 3 weeks how much infestation is spreading of these fires had happened how much could be have stemmed a virus if we didn't act it quick off but this from our leader who is our men who is the person we look to when we're in times of crisis and a city wide scale he did nothing he acted on nothing he didn't look after the best interests of the guys working at c.f.o. realising they're putting their lives on 'd the land for the for the for the capital every day but for what is in the house is do you need less drives and you need less risk he didn't look at the types of things. and not punish london 'd as we've like them coffee zones and 'd all of this to try to make up for this is nonsense raising the us great in the congestion of course we want to do well in an

unhealthy environment but we don't want to punish the poorest of our of our citizens in the capital at the same time trying to do it and this is what city is trying to do is basically trying to say corona was 'd the fault of the people of that whole this is how they've been a bit of that is just fine in london has a disproportionately poor chinese community in central london in chinatown apparently they're being disproportionate tax on them in the early stages of this virus what do you make of arthur johnson the government claiming china hacked the n.h.s. and that china has to pay for coronavirus. i think we certainly probably blame game right now. i think through was doing and you know that being fair at the beginning let's not put blame on anyone or this or that and now when we have a certain amount of debt in our country and people have me locked horns that they're never going to be able to see again where that each die prematurely or whether they say was the corona that really caused 'd the or not people have lost

loved ones and then look at the barge johnson our leader our night in shining armor the person that's meant to be the helm of our country the person that you know to steps in the right direction suzi our churchill let's put it that way and our churchill asparagus churchill it is he's playing the blame game as the room prime school he's looking for a kind of promise will take wanted to play it with this is what he's doing his duty so trying to call up he's put in a china in the corner and not china as it drove minister thank you. off to the right as millions of americans face the prospect of chronic unemployment as so-called political pundits wrong to come back over at 19 to the great depression plus a badge of honor what's the real reason the u.s. appears to lead the world in the number of confirmed 1000 cases and deaths we ask sean stone author and pandemic filmmaker. part 2 of going underground.

we are told when a new cold war with china it is not coherently explain to us why even worse is the strategy if there isn't one also sat down arms you. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. and i need another one of the highest income way to go through the food. bank itself movie theater i. was in this way got to doubt it so hard not to think of the

mother disappeared this woman the work of a coward and an optimist all right then if. this is the only thing that we do is music because everybody fights his way. through and you can feel the 50 pound is worthless woody allen called the ability to pick it up. but i think it is this is the fans that is a constant. thought. welcome back millions of americans have already received their $1200.00 check in the post you want something is a socialist policy hijacked by the political right become a universal basic income survive in the u.s. his record on employment figures suggest there will be more people on the breadline

in the coming months than in the whole of u.s. history joining me now via skype from new orleans is editor of basic income today and senior policy adviser to senate candidate mike broyard and who has been living on a crowdfunding basic income since 2016 squats and 10 thank you so much for coming on i'm going to tell you that here in britain the former goldman sachs chancellor refused to enact outlawing a basic income when asked directly the question about it and britain of course has been one of the worst hit by coronavirus in the world what do you make of a. i think it's really unfortunate that he's not really looking at getting money directly to people with as little bureaucracy as possible i think that we're in a really you know dire situation where people all over the world need incomes because they've been ordered to stay at home and it just doesn't make sense for governments to say stay at home and then not make sure that everyone can stay at home so when you talk about bureaucracy i use saying that there must be something

ideological behind all of this because britain of course has furlough scheme salary for all those schemes all sorts of different types of grant mechanisms over there in the states you have a means test that 200000 different forms to be filled you think all of this is wasting valuable taxpayer money. yes not only about wasting money because i think actually right now we're in a unique situation where that's less of a concern then usual i think it's more about time and efficiency i mean when this all started governments around the world could have just said ok we're ordering you to stay at home we're going to make sure that every single one of you has that money to pay your bills and. said all governments around the world figured out other ways of doing that they tried to keep people employed they paid through employers theatres through loans or through wage subsidies and then you know some places went the route of getting people direct cash payments but not to all people

japan's really the only country so far that said all right let's get money to every single citizen although as i say the checks at least to be going out with the lack of the kind of means testing you doggedly expect in the united states professor guy standing is off me no on this show he was advise ing former labor leader jeremy corbin the labor party is obviously run now by a different leader more hope there then them from what's happening in britain from trump or or joe biden what about joe biden who seems to have disappeared in delaware. yeah joe biden has really not been talking about. $2000.00 a month base income was really the. pitch really in congress here in the u.s. so there are a couple different bills in congress and the house representatives and then there's also a bill recently through the senate as well all of them are about 2000 dollars per month and joe biden actually has not even commented on these things yet and he

seems to be avoiding even speaking about it yet so he was talking to andrew young who put u.b.i. on the international level or national stage during the presidential debates before yang dropped out of the race for the white house this year yeah i was really looking forward to the conversation between andrew young and joe biden i thought that they would actually discuss basic income a little bit and they did not so my assumption is that part of the deal of speaking with joe was to not talk about that considering that yang actually ran on a freedom dividend during his presidential campaign so is it now all up to trump because you've characterized u.b.i. as a social vaccine which could be the only way out of as i was saying earlier the worst depression perhaps in u.s. history. yeah so at the beginning of this a basic income one of unable people to actually stay home and pay their bills and now since we're starting to reopen then businesses need customers and 25000000

people here in the u.s. actually applied for multiple weeks in a row for unemployment we've got to make sure that money actually gets to people to be customers and if we don't do that then we're looking at an extremely drawn out recession that could possibly even enter into a deflationary spiral spiral great depression style well there has been a lot of criticism at state level there and here in britain about the processing all of these furlough claims loan schemes there's a variety of. different mechanisms that have started since going of ours but you you believe we should be compensated for the assignment of rights across the board that have been taken by multinationals oil fish minerals radio t.v. frequencies water rights governments of assigning those to multinational corporations sometimes efficiently and we should be we should be compensated as people who live in our societies. yeah i think the close example in the world to

a universal basic income is actually in alaska it's operated there since 1982 where every year all alaskans receive a dividend and it's seen as their share of the natural oil wealth of alaska and of course that's oil wealth but there is many there are many more forms of natural wealth everywhere the government is operating and paying for a lot of this original research that then is go out on goes on to the companies to be profited from you know if you look at the i phone so much of that was just all originated in government research and the fact that we essentially in the creation of private property system have excluded people from their rightful natural heritage to the earth itself and our ability to survive on our own like we're the only species in the world has to pay to live here so if it's a win win situation for businesses for the public for children for the old why why

would governments why would donald trump not accept this was the greatest opportunity that we could take out of coronavirus i mean presumably they don't like soviet style bureaucracy and form filling and numerable types of schemes instead of a you. you would think so. but you know i look at trump and it's at ritz an interesting question too to look at trump as an example of you know what's the what's he thinking what's stopping him. and that's because trump is actually a unique person where he actually seems to be greatly driven by popularity so recent poll came out here recently that 82 percent of the country actually supports $2000.00 per month of basic income for the duration of this crisis and you would think that he would jump on something that would be popular so he could be even more you know widely loved by even more people if you give people a basic income they have the power to say no and that means being able to refuse.

insufficient wages and poor working conditions and hours that are too much it just gives people the freedom that i think they're afraid of granting well no doubt some elites would say no they're not afraid at all of the freedom and confidence that they you would instill in the public but to make clear tonight i mean even before coronavirus 40000000 americans could not eat without the help of federal aid or the food stamp program and now the feds your own powell saying that june g.d.p. contraction could be i don't know he seems to be saying up to 39 percent what will happen if there isn't a u.b.s. . it's a good question i mean we're already looking at some of these i mean we know that what happened last time with the great recession that things like suicides greatly increase tens of thousands of suicides were a result of the economic impacts and nothing else from the great recession we know

that abuse rates go up and within households that's intimate partner violence and also child abuse and we're even seeing those as well i mean people who are stressed out and just barely able to get by every month this is when things happen that we really want to avoid that's when you said it's a i think it is a social vaccine this is a preventative approach to so many things that we don't want to happen we want people to actually be free of this chronic stress and we also want businesses to function like it doesn't make any sense that we actually have thousands of people lined up for food banks that have never had to do that before and at the same time there's food in stores there's farmers who are plowing under their crops and at the same time you know people could be buying this in farmer's markets directly from farmers it's just a lack of money and so it makes so much more sense to make sure that people actually have the money to purchase what they themselves decide that they need for

those seeking help details or not you tube channel for information scott's antennas thank you thank you. the u.s. has over $1000000.00 confirmed cases of covert 19 over a 5th of all confirmed cases worldwide present all trump insisted on to the country conducting more tests than anywhere else is 5 reports that it lags behind on testing capita sean stone author and pandemic filmmaker joins me now via skype from the so-called golden fav in ohio where the number of coronavirus cases apparently continues to soar join just take me back to the 28 film for us because you immediately saw the need to buy a powerful authorities to. use viruses for surveillance yes sir 2008 i made a film called singularity which is a short film online people can watch it for themselves this is something that i can see coming because of the nature of the surveillance state we already understood

even before snowden came out that we were looking at total surveillance state this is the roll out of you know not only the i phone and the sort of the monitoring platforms like the googles and others but the camp the surveillance cameras the notion that the government had the right to spy on you so i said well what happens if a plague so-called plague virus comes that scares people to the place we surrender all their rights to be consistently monitored what dry why was your mind on plagues when they were in else's was arguably on revelations of what would become edward snowden's revelations obviously to his songes revelations you mediately focused on the pandemic threat because pandemic threats have always been here i mean the thing is i don't see it as a pandemic i mean we saw us a sars outbreak in china and 1003 i believe in multiple swine flu and things like this and we've seen outbreaks of so-called you know viruses virus outbreak that ultimately you know the system adapts some people die just like every flu season there's a new new flu viruses that says this is part of the evolution but people can be so scared by the notion of a virus or a play because it's an invisible thing that i believe that the that the government

and the scientists you name it with in the end i h. within that system of power big pharma controlled controlled medicine can essentially tell you well we have to control you monitor you surveil you at one level to make sure you're not sick but then at a deeper level to take away your civil liberties as we're seeing now with the idea you can even question cobe it or offer different alternative theories about the medicine or give a platform to other doctors who challenge the end i age american medical association mainstream perspective where that what's happening on facebook and youtube they're being shut down that's the kind of censorship that's only the beginning of this orwellian state and something that i saw it in my short film 12 years ago and you think the lack of transparency may be an element in the reason why. i the united states seems the worst affected country in the world i don't know i mean honestly they say it's the worst affected but again i mean we see we heard horror stories out of spain and italy and china to begin with i mean america i don't know what that means as far as the worst effect except that we have very poor

health in this country and people looked around and notice how unhealthy americans are how overweight and if you really look at the people that die from cobe it the vast majority have co-factors right comedy issues so if you're looking at unhealthy populations actually america has a very unhealthy population to begin with ok it would just i want to get on to other things in a 2nd but it affected elites so obviously defective boris johnson here in this country the prime minister i think that's why there's been such a focus on coded rather than poverty related diseases like the one you just mentioned you know the reason there's a focus on covert is because we're told there's a focus on coping that we want to fight wage war on on good health for example the whole planet i think well i want to change its attitude towards pesticides g m o's life sates you know that was in sprayed on us and now it's in our water supplies there are many things that we could focus on but we instead choose to say well wait until the virus comes that we can then terrorize the population with everyone wear a face mask which essentially gags you and puts you into a position of feeling disempowered as opposed to saying wait let's focus on the

human individual health and our sovereignty over our body and how it's really we have to make the proper decisions for our body for i mean immune system because we are full of viruses all the time that people forget we literally have who knows how many countless billions trillions of viruses bacteria within our body every moment that's what it is to be alive so we have to focus as an individual on maintaining our health as opposed to the old school model which is not preventative medicine and health care it's reactive which is take this make this vaccine or you know to make it go away or this pill to make to make it go away as opposed to saying well you can't make these things go away all you can do is learn how to adapt to live with them just quickly what what he would be on right now. right now it's a beautiful opportunity i think there's an opportune. in this time to reset the entire nature of our economy and how we transact with each other i'm looking at peer to peer transactions i'm offering consultations in this time for example obviously doing the consulting with r.t. and but also i'm going to need to be doing the new radio program in the desert that

art bell started years ago looks like i'll be taking over one of those nights coming up this summer and as for the election for the white house later. no real choice between biden a trump you know what i have no problems trump once again john thank you. for the show will be back on wednesday 40 years since u.s. soldiers massacred hundreds of civilians in the one to uprising the subject of a new inquiry begun in the past few days and sold until that wash your hands join me on the ground with a sound that instagram and facebook. we

go to work for you straight home. during the vietnam war u.s. forces are also bombs in neighboring laos there was a secret war. and for years the american people do not know. how much it is officially mouth carry back country per capita. human history millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this small agricultural country jordyn wieber went on a can of it's happening. even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the u.s.

making amends for that tragedy and what help do the people need in that little land on. a low end welcome across town where all things are considered and peter lavelle we are told when a new cold war with china it is not coherently explain to us why even worse where is the strategy and there isn't one also the sad death of arms control.