i am. i am former new york governor george pataki who helped lead his state through the devastating aftermath of 911 is here with his take on the federal and state level response to the coronavirus it's all on this edition of politic. what's the problem taking on larry king he slammed andrew como the new york's kogan 1000 nursing home deaths he also once warned donald trump could drive the g.o.p. over the cliff he's a former republican governor george pataki of new york he helped that state through the devastating aftermath of september 11th he's here for a one on one including what he calls america's great divide and whether it can be

bridged thanks good seeing you again go into larry not saying you're going to be i'm with you preach it the efforts are all right as the covert 19 death toll nears 100000 of them have broken the transition for greatness has started ahead of schedule tom says this will be a year of ups and downs but next year will be one of the best ever what are your thoughts on that. well obviously this year is a year for enormous downs 1st a horrific loss of life that continues pace the slope but it's ongoing and the future of that standpoint is uncertain but the future economically at the moment is one that we all are very concerned about over 30000000 do people out of employed small businesses going under bankruptcies going up but you know larry i'm an optimist i believe in this country i believe in the strength of the american people and i think that next year we will see a strong economic recovery i hope it starts right now and i think it will begin to

start now but over the longer run beginning hopefully this year we're going to see america come back stronger than ever. you were a governor during the tragedy of 911 how do you respond the way the handle of this still way you handle let's you know it larry it's disappointing that we don't see the cooperation at all levels of government we had incident temper length you mentioned my book beyond the great divide and i tell the story in that book of the afternoon as a temper 11th when rudy giuliani gave me a call and said that he had relocated his emergency center command center and all its commissioners with himself to a new place in lower manhattan i thought for a minute and then i said rudy i'll be right there and i brought all my key commissioners and players that afternoon and temper lemon we were on the same room at the same table city state and federal and we were like that for months after september 11th so we didn't have the city saying one thing the state saying

something else the federal government saying a 3rd then we had a seamless recovery and you look now and you see the governor of new york and the mayor of new york don't even seem to be talking to each other one will say the schools are many closed and the other will say wait a 2nd that success i know paul and trump have met but it certainly doesn't seem like they're communicating in a cooperative way so it's just disappointing to me that the divide that we saw before the code virus doesn't seem to ever really close the way it should have in the face of this national emergency frankly though isn't the pandemic and $911.00 apples and oranges it in many ways they are the pandemic is goal it's certainly a national. spender 11th was it graphically narrowly confined although we head for a few weeks we had an enormous economic uncertainty across the whole country but

the argument but larry why was there similar oneness the collapse in the economy we saw in new york state for 3 years after september 11th a true complete collapse. in the economy people wouldn't go to new york they were afraid to come to new york the theaters were empty the hotels were empty the restaurants had oh customers it took an enormous effort to bring them back and what we're going to need now is an enormous effort to bring our economy back also on september 11th you know we realize that it's not that hollywood stars are the super athletes who are they hear us it's ordinary americans doing their jobs well every single day september 11th the police the firefighters the mts today the health care workers the orderly it's the nurses the doctors you know people in the grocery stores so there's a lot of commonality but they are 2 different things in your new book beyond the great divide you look at how americans seem to come together do you expect them to do the same so far does not you know larry we have to and it's not so much

a question of do expect it because i'm disappointed so far that we have not exactly what you said you know but there are signs of hope you know like the last stimulus bill the 4 trillion dollar bill i'm sure there are things in there the democrats didn't like there are things in there that republicans didn't lie but what they did to say this is too important we have to put aside our purity and get the get the job done but i wish that was the attitude they bring to government 'd every day i fear that is not the case but we have to keep pushing for that. you've been a you've been critical of the current governor andrew cuomo but his handling of the nursing home what what are you criticizing him doing well you know. we all know larry the single greatest cohabit of the risk is age and we know that the premises of our seniors and the most vulnerable are in nursing homes so how could you demand

that nursing homes take positive patients among this highly vulnerable group when they were protesting they didn't have the ability to isolate or handle them or to care for them properly it just made no sense and as a consequence we've had i believe well over 5000 nursing home deaths just in the new york state fortunately governor cuomo reversed that policy i sadly it took about 47 days before he reversed that policy but it was critical at least now he has said he's acknowledged that the policy had to change and has changed how do you assess president handling of it so far you know i wish that i get ses doing a great job but i watched a number of the briefings. yes the press was just trying to goad him and not get information out of up but every single time there was a question that upset him instead of rising above it the president should do he

just engage and and i think as president what he should be doing is looking in inspire the american people bring us together you know there are going to be unfair criticism spent goes with the turf of being a pile of political leader you have to shrug it off because he's the president of all the americans and let's try to bring this together with the right inspired leaders. he has asserted that he didn't override governors in many different ways as a former governor you agree with that. well you know this whole question of the state of emergency that whether it's governors of the president. it was necessary when the virus 1st hit health care system was going to be overwhelmed but there comes a point where a state of emergency becomes a state of autocracy where one person is telling 20000000 people what they can or cannot do that and i think we're close to that point i don't believe legally and constitutionally the president can tell the governor you can't suggest x. or y.

into a state or direct demand x. or y. o. state i don't think the president has that authority but then i question whether or not for an extended period of time the governor has that authority but more importantly larry if the president is telling the people of state x. you know ignore it and the governor saying ignore the president we're going to have chaos and we have to do better than that we have to have this communication across partisan divides doing what is best for the american people period. vice president joe biden who will be running against president trump says that the president is politicizing the mask issue and stoking deaths what do you make of this mass question. you know it's i don't fault any individual unlike vice president biden because for the longest time the see you know it's i don't fault any individual. vice president biden because for the longest time the

c.d.c. was telling us mess masks don't have any impact don't worry about wearing a mask and then they didn't want any and said oh we're masks right now if there's appropriate social distance and particularly outside the question of whether or not they're necessary i don't know the answer to that i don't know that science of the answer to that but personally i it just makes sense from a prudence standpoint to protect others to wear a mask when i'm out in any public setting we're up with people i wear a mask and it's not for a political statement it's simply to protect others lives so the way back in 2011 you launched a group called no american debt to focus on americans reading problems. well this will fork over 19 how do you think we're doing. that. it's like they're saying the captain of the titanic before the euros. but you know

these are exceptional times in our lifetimes we've never seen the national economy shut down completely we've never seen 300 plus 1000000 people essentially in a better lot down except for essential workers so they require extraordinary effort so i don't fall the fed for its expansion of the monetary supply which i think has been critical and i think they're done well with that man on thought the president congress for the 4 trillion 4.2 trillion dollars stimulus we need that we need to help those who are unemployed we need to help the small businesses that have no revenue we need to help industries like the aviation and the search where no one's flying the point is to come back in the combat as quickly as possible and it requires extraordinary measures for the moment you just have to set aside the said fact that we're spending trillions more than we have put on your reporters had for me and you've always been the objective guy who's going to win in november. you

know i think larry that depends on what happens with the virus of the economy and you don't have to be a brain surgeon to say what i'm going to say but if as the opening up continues of the country if there is a spike in the need for a 2nd lap down then i think the odds of president trump winning go way way down below 50 percent if on the other hand the opening up. is success what we don't have that spike in a 2nd shutdown and the economy starts showing signs that it's really coming back that i think the odds are better than 5050 the president trump when so you know larry you know this game as well as anyone in america who would have predicted 3 months ago that the issue would be the handling of a virus by the way house and we have more than 3 months to go today tomorrow but next week the next month some a vent might happen that completely changes the landscape so i think anybody who says they knows got

a win today essence in what you and i have seen over the years right what do you make of his attack on mail in ballots. you know. i think that's a state issue and i understand the potential for fraud you know i've seen those pictures of an apartment house with a stack of ballots you know of a dozen or more balance addressed to different people just sitting in the lobby then anybody could pick it pick up and fill out and i have no doubt that happens but some states have had mail and ballots for for some time i think the state of washington for example and it doesn't seem to have been the there doesn't seem to a bit massive pro i personally think that people should vote you know unless they're sick or disabled or at of the country or unable to vote i think voting is something that is a right that we should take seriously enough that will make the effort to go there

so i strongly believe that states should say you if you're healthy if you're vailable you go to the polls to vote but i don't think the federal government should take action if a state in our republic of 50 different states decides to choose a different path governess so good seeing you again you know you look in great shape great to have you with us larry good to see you always great to be and keep fighting you know your national trigger say well hala thank you the book is beyond the great divide how a nation can become a neighborhood against was governor george pataki will be back with more politicking after this.

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we go to work some straight home. county the cost in charting the future with an endemic appearing to recede it is time to assess the economic damage bonus prices change the global economy and if there's going to be a recovery well crime village and are there lessons to be learned. welcome back to politicking award winning journalist libertarian pundit john stossel has thought provoking perspective on the coronavirus pandemic including subjugation seizes a potential silver lining he's the author of give me a break and the creator of stossel t.v.

where were you hibernating. off got to be. very pretty. great place all right you recently wrote a column john headline shut down silver lining it was about home schooling elaborate. one parents are discovering hey i like teaching my kids a home and they learn more and we're not going to go back to those state run schools and for many of those kids that's a silver lining i was surprised to find that homeschooling families on average are below average income but the kids do better than average they get higher s.a.t.'s scores do better in college less drank or abuse drugs. so that can be

a good thing and today there are all these internet assed internet teaching methods that are free. you opposed to state schools. no i'm opposed to their arrogance and cost and demand that kids be assigned by zip code and think it's choice is good. all that's all was assigned by zip code you're the guy that therefore you would've favored busing. busing was racial integration which at the time we all thought was a good idea to force integration worker was brought out so much hatred that that wasn't a good thing in the state schools now constantly whine we don't have enough money that's why we're struggling. if you jump in the arithmetic they're spending more than $10000.00 per kid on average so that's 20300000 dollars per classroom

i would think i could hire 4 great teachers for that and do a much better job than they do but the money just disappears because that's what happens with government monopoly and the competition that's going to come out from cove it and parents finding new alternatives on the internet that they can do at home will be good because it will give some parents another choice and think about learning math videogames would be so much better at teaching that than a teacher standing in front of 20 kids talking because it's in the individual eyes to the kid and the games make it exciting they give you a funny noise when you get the answer right and this is all brand new and good but parents aren't trained in teaching. no that's what the education experts

say and they aren't experts in the curriculum and they won't know what to teach and the true but the experts haven't done a very good job up there the big american nation wide nationwide test to ask kids who did we fight when we fought hitler and they say france and england. they're not aware that the soviet union was our enemy during the cold war so kids aren't learning much in government run schools john you're concerned about the impact of the $600.00 a week federal unemployment check for the involved with the coronavirus or why are you against that. well whiff the state payments it's often more than $800.00 and in many cases that means that people make more money not going back to work and look people help the government to close these places by force in many cases

and i can see why politicians say we have an obligation to give these people money but when you give people more money than they were making working. your teaching them to be dependent on government and that's not a good thing people get purpose in work what do you know you're like the age of retirement but chosen or way past that. larry kudlow our white house economic adviser an old use appear on our show a lot says the trump administration is considering a weekly back toward bonus for americans returning to employment what do you make of that. beats me it doesn't sound like. you know what we know it's government's job to keep us safe to protect us from foreign enemies epidemics they have some pollution control rules but why is it

government's job to give bonuses to this group and this politically favored company and that's a recipe for disaster we're already gone broke. well but they will say mad for years they said when ruse will put the new deal in and he is certainly it doesn't government have to do something in times of crisis doesn't it have to do something. yeah get out of people's way so free people can create the opportunities that we always have america was built by people who had nothing and. other than their hands in their brains and it was only in roosevelt's day it started to get much bigger for most of our history it was less than 5 percent of the economy now it's 40 percent and he wanted to do still more.

it's been said that the crisis reveals character what do you think the cole the 1000 crisis is real about us a society. code on. it revealed president trump to be ridiculous on many fronts if it's shown us to so overreact and have disproportionate ideas about life and death. some good things will come out of it it will teach us how much we can do without commuting to work teach a bunch of old people like us how to using in the internet it's unpredictable at this will though it will be bad and good. what do you know what do you make of i know you are an independent very much so what do you make a promise handling of this. i like it that he was skeptical

that we should close america for ever. and i like it that he. was aware of how regulation chills things and how. governments rules about testing preventing the private sector from producing tests was a bad thing and he grew up in the private sector and sees how regulation does a lot of harm that's the best part of truck. but trump acting like a crybaby because the press criticized him very. recusing scarborough being involved in some earlier it's childish and so he struck. his narcissism comes out look at me look at me and the biggest thing and the biggest crowd i've been bested faith oh good you're supposed to outgrow that when you're older than 3 dots. you're supporting a candidate are you not for the election. i'll vote for the libertarian but she

won't win. and i certainly trump over the democrats who would bankrupt us even faster. you would you would vote for trump over biden. yes. twitter has placed a fact check warning on from what do you make of that. it's better than totally censoring him and i think it's ironic that the head of twitter standards were great is it merely a truncate or because it's posted things that show. that the state social media bias that leans to the far left is a problem but hey it's a private company they can do whatever they want. what do you what do you make of

social media platforms like twitter and facebook net positive you like them based coming down to one of the other would you like them. i like um i don't do one what i used to do on 2020 make sure that i'm doing it because fox gave me an hour a t.v. show but i thought that's not my skill or a lot of people can do you can do it after a talk show much better than i can but my skill is creating things into short packages that are fun and can explain more complicated subjects and my son said dad young people aren't going to believe what you say on fox you don't need rocks anymore you got a 1000000 twitter followers than those shea spark and you tube and you can just use social media. ask you are for some money and we're making a video every tuesday and i'm like doing it the conversation continues the comment

go on sometimes her new year's they get comments from things i posted several years ago are some of our pieces like on the 2000000 dollar bathroom built by new york city should have gotten 12000000 views. i love social media from new york build the $2000000.00 beth room. everything government does is below average quality and above average cost. yes this was the bathroom in a park and i said the parks commissioner probably regretted sitting down with me so how can this be oh no you have to make sure it's sturdy and we have to make sure it's going to stand up under all that use well there's a private bathroom in a private park not far from there that's much nicer entsch cost $400000.00 well we

have rules we have to we have to use union labor we have to consult with all the community groups well doesn't that bother you that then takes 3 years and cost $5.00 times as much you know that's just the way we do things in government. john it's always great talking to you very thought provoking in great seeing you on lovely cape cod thank you larry nice to talk we thank john stossel for his time today and we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking a member you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see if that.

part of something is better than 100 percent of nothing and so losing money has is part of the money laundering model as a model a business model and we look at these unicorns these startups and sold them bally like the ones you mentioned we work that way fair goober. we were lift they're all losing money exponentially so many after the aster's stuff well maybe the model is to lose money and so who is laundering the money who is laundering the money. problem drugs don't always come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies to in every state in the united states we see me very sharp increase in the number of people seeking

treatment for addiction to prescription opioids you know it's invaded america under the banner of medicine persisted with the pain but instead of trying to wean him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer so who's to blame patients don't use manufacturers all the governments of. every single culture on earth has prohibitions against cure. at the same time virtually every culture and nurse rewards you enormously if you use killed the right person in one setting it is the most horrendous. anguishing singh the match in the room and in another setting is a wondrous thing that they will give you a medal for their boots because of that people will be with you because you're good at doing that sort of thing.

greetings and sal you take us as i've stated before sometimes it takes a life or death crisis to reveal someone's true colors especially when it comes to our political leaders take us senate leader mitch mcconnell who this week showed us just once again how little he cares about the plight of the american people a recent conference call with house republicans discussing the you know the latest 3 trillion $1.19 relief package politico is now reporting that the corporate joel himself promised the beefed up unemployment.