politics. one of the politicking on larry king he slammed andrew como the new york scolded 19 nursing home deaths he also once warned donald trump could drive the g.o.p. over the cliff he's a former republican governor george pataki of new york he helped that state through the devastating aftermath of september 11th he's here for a one on one including what he calls america's great divide and whether it can be bridged thanks good seeing you again gotta larry nice seeing you again good being on with you preach it the upper tier all right as the covert 19 death toll nears 100000 of the hip broke and the transition for greatness has started ahead of schedule tom says this will be a year of ups and downs but next year will be one of the best ever what are your thoughts on that well obviously this year is a year for enormous downs 1st that horrific loss of life that continues pace the

slope but it's ongoing and the future of that standpoint is uncertain but the future economically at the moment is one that we all are very concerned over 30000000 new people lot of employers small businesses going under bankruptcies going up but you know larry i'm an optimist i believe in this country i believe in the strength of the american people and i think that next year we will see a strong economic recovery i hope it starts right now and i think it will begin to start now but over the longer run beginning hopefully this year we're going to see america come back stronger than ever. you were governor during the tragedy of 911 how do you respond the way the handle of this still way you handle let's you know it larry it's disappointing that we don't speak the cooperation at all levels of government we had incident or 11th you mentioned my book beyond the great divide

and i tell the story in that book of the afternoon disappear 11th when rudy giuliani gave me a call and said that he had relocated his emergency center command center and all us commissioners with himself to a new place in lower manhattan i thought for a minute and then i sit right there and i brought all my key commissioners and players that afternoon and temper lemon we were on the same room at the same table city state and federal and we were like that for months after september 11th so we didn't have the city saying one thing the state saying something else the federal government saying a 3rd then we had a seamless recovery and you look now and you see the governor of new york and the mayor of new york don't even seem to be talking to each other one will say the schools are many closed and the other will say wait a 2nd that success i know paul and trump have met but it certainly doesn't seem like they're communicating in a cooperative way so it's just disappointing to me that the divide that we saw

before the code virus doesn't seem to ever really close the way it should have in the face of this national emergency frankly though isn't the pandemic and 911 apples and oranges it in many ways they are the pandemic is goal it's certainly a national. amber 11th was it graphically narrowly confined although we head for a few weeks we had an enormous economic uncertainty across the whole country but the argument but larry why was there similar oneness the collapse in the economy we saw in new york state for 3 years if this of general level of a true. collapse in the economy people wouldn't go to new york they were afraid to come to new york the theaters were empty the hotels were empty the restaurants had oh customers it took an enormous effort to bring them back and what we're going to need now is an enormous effort to bring our economy back also on september 11th you

know we realize that it's not that hollywood stars are the super athletes who are they hear us it's ordinary americans doing their jobs well every single day september 11th the police the firefighters the mts today the health care workers the orderly as the nurses the doctors people in the gross. so there's a lot of commonality but they are 2 different things in your new book beyond the great divide you look at how americans seem to come together do you expect them to do the same so far does not you know larry we have to and it's not so much a question of do expect it because i'm disappointed so far that we have not exactly what you said you know but there are signs of hope you know like the last stimulus bill the 4 trillion dollar bill i'm sure there are things in there the democrats didn't like there are things in there that republicans didn't lie but what they did to say this is too important we have to put aside our purity and get the get the

job done but i wish that was the attitude they bring to government 'd every day i fear that is not the case but we have to keep pushing for that. you've been a you've been critical of the current governor andrew cuomo but his handling of the nursing home what what are you criticizing him doing well you know. we all know larry the single greatest cohabit of the risk is age and we know that the premises of our seniors and the most vulnerable are in nursing homes so how could you demand that nursing homes take positive patients among this highly vulnerable group when they were protesting they didn't have the ability to isolate or 'd handle them or to care for them properly it just made no sense and as a consequence we've had i believe well over 5000 nursing home deaths just in the new york state fortunately governor cuomo reversed that policy i sadly it took about 47 days before he reversed that policy but it was critical at least now

he has said he's acknowledged that the policy had to change and has changed how do you assess president handling of it so far you know i wish that i get ses doing a great job but i watched the number of the briefings. yes the press was just trying to goad him and not get information out of up but every single time there was a question that upset him instead of rising above it the president should do he just engage and and i think as president what he should be doing is looking in inspire the american people bring us together you know there are going to be unfair criticism spent goes with the turf of being a pile of political leader you have to shrug it off because he's the president of all the americans and let's try to bring this together with the right inspired leaders he has asserted that he can override governors in many different ways as

a former governor you agree with that. well you know this whole question of the state of emergency that whether it's governors of the president. it was necessary when the virus 1st hit health care system was going to be overwhelmed but there comes a point where a state of emergency becomes a state of autocracy where one person is telling 20000000 people what they can or cannot do that and i think we're close to that point i don't believe legally and constitutionally the president can tell the governor you can't suggest x. or y. into the state or direct demand x. or y. o. state i don't think the president has that authority but then i question whether or not for an extended period of time the governor has that authority but more importantly larry if the president is telling the people of state x. you know ignore it and the governor saying ignore the president we're going to have chaos and we have to do better than that we have to have this communication across partisan divides doing what is best for the american people period.

vice president joe biden who will be running against president trump says that the president is politicizing the mask issue and stoking deaths what do you make of this mass question. you know it's i don't fault any individual i'm like vice president biden because for the longest time see you know it's i don't fault any individual i'm like vice president biden because for the longest time the c.d.c. was telling us mess masks don't have any impact don't worry about wearing a mask and then they didn't want any and said oh we're masks right now if there's appropriate social distance and particularly outside the question of whether or not they're necessary i don't know the answer to that i don't know that science of the answer to that but personally i it just makes sense from a prudence standpoint and to protect others to wear

a mask when i'm out in any public setting we're up with people i wear a mask and it's not for a political statement it's simply to protect others lives so the way back in 2011 you launched a group called no american debt to focus on america's reading problem. well this will fork over 19 how i do you think would do and. it's like they're saying the captain of the titanic before the euros. but you know these are exceptional times in our lifetimes we've never seen the national economy shut down completely we've never seen 300 plus 1000000 people essentially in a better lot down except for essential workers so they require extraordinary effort so i don't fall the fed for its expansion of the monetary supply which i think has been critical and i think they're done well with that man on thought the president congress for the 4 trillion 4.2 trillion dollars stimulus we need that we need to

help those who are unemployed we need to help the small businesses that have no revenue we need to help industries like the aviation and assert where no one's flying the point is to come back in the combat as quickly as possible and it requires extraordinary measures for the moment you just have to set aside the said fact that we're spending trillions more than we have put on your reporters had for me and you've always been the objective guy who's going to win in november. you know i think larry that depends on what happens with the virus in the economy and you don't have to be a brain surgeon to say what i'm going to say but if as the opening up continues of the country if there is a spike in the need for a 2nd lap down then i think the odds of president trump winning go way way down below 50 percent if on the other hand the opening up. is success what we don't have

that spike in a 2nd shutdown and the economy starts showing signs that it's really coming back that i think the odds are better than 5050 the president trump when so you know larry you know this game as well as anyone in america who would have predicted 3 months ago that the issue would be the handling of a virus by the way house and we have more than 3 months to go today tomorrow but next week the next month some a vent might happen that completely changes the landscape so i think anybody who says they know is going to win today s. and seen what you and i have seen over the years who are right what do you make of his attack on mail in ballots. you know. i think that's a state issue and i understand the potential for fraud you know i've seen those pictures of an apartment house with a stack of ballots you know of a dozen or more balance addressed to different people just sitting in the lobby

that anybody could pick in pick up and fill out and i have no doubt that happens but some states have had mail and ballots for for some time and i think the state of washington for example and it doesn't seem to have been. there doesn't seem to a bit massive pro i personally think that people should vote you know unless they're sick or disabled or out of the country or unable to vote i think voting is something that is a right that we should take seriously enough that will make the effort to go there so i strongly believe that states should say you if you're healthy if you're available you go to the polls to vote but i don't think the federal government should take action if a state in our republic of 50 different states decides to choose a different path. governess so good seeing you again you know you look in great shape great to have you with us larry good to see you know it's great to be keep

fighting you know your national troops say well thank you the book is beyond the great divide how a nation can become a neighborhood the guess was governor george pataki will be back with more politicking after this. every single culture on earth has prohibitions against. at the same time virtually every culture of the earth rewards you enormously if you've killed the right person in one setting it is the most horrendous damaging thing match in the world and in another setting is one thing that they will give you a medal for the people who through you because of the people will meet with you because you're good at tuning that's what i'm saying.

part of something is better than 100 percent of nothing and so losing money has is part of the money laundering model as a model a business model and we look at these unicorns these startups and silicon valley like the ones you mentioned we work. that way fair goober. we were list and they're all losing money exponentially so many after the aster's stuff well maybe the model is to lose money and so cool there's laundering the money who is laundering the money. and planning another one of the. swathe through a food. bank itself movie theater. plus we've got to do all. the thing in the distance and. women don't look like they cower and end up in the stomach and i think. this is the only thing that we do is music because

everybody fights his way. through on the film without his will to support it and that given a lot of. what i think is this is the funds that is going to come from. welcome back the politicking award winning journalist libertarian pundit john stossel has thought provoking perspective on the coronavirus pandemic including some of the gays seizes a potential silver lining he's the author of give me a break and the creator of stossel t.v. where were you hibernating cape cod.

got to be self. very pretty. love cape cod a great place all right you recently wrote a column john headline shut down silver lining it was about home schooling elaborate. one of parents are discovering hey i like teaching my kids at home and they learn more and we're not going to go back to those state run schools and. for many of those kids that's a silver lining i was surprised to find that homeschooling families on average are below average income but the kids do better than average they get higher s.a.t.'s scores do better in college less drank or abuse drugs. so that can be a good thing and today there are all these internet assed internet teaching methods that are free. you opposed to state schools.

no i'm opposed to their arrogance and cost and demand that kids be assigned by zip code and think it's choice is good. all that's all was assigned by a zip code that i left therefore you would have favored busing. well busing was racial integration which at the time we all thought was a good idea to force integration work or it was brought out so much hatred that that wasn't a good thing in the state schools now constantly lying we don't have enough money that's why we're struggling. in the arithmetic they're spending more than $10000.00 per kid on average so that's 20300000 dollars per classroom i would think i could hire 4 great teachers for that and do

a much better job than they do but the money just disappears because that's what happens with government monopoly and the competition that's going to come out from cove it and parents finding new alternatives on the internet that they can do at home will be good because it will give some parents another choice and think about learning math videogames would be so much better at teaching math than a teacher standing in front of 20 kids talking because it's in the individual eyes to the kid and the games make it exciting they give you a funny noise when you get the answer right and this is all brand new and good but parents aren't trained in teaching. no that's what the education experts say they aren't. experts in the curriculum and they won't know what to teach

and true but the experts haven't done a very good job up there the big american nation wide nationwide test to ask kids who did we fight when we fought hitler and they say france and england. they're not aware that the soviet union was our enemy during the cold war so kids aren't learning much in government run schools john you're concerned about the impact of the $600.00 a week federal unemployment check for the 5th in volume with the coronavirus all why are you against that. if the state payments it's often more than $800.00 and in many cases that means that people make more money not going back to work and look people only need help the government to close these places by force in many cases and i can see why politicians say we have an obligation to give these

people money but when you give people more money than they were making working. your teaching them to be dependent on government and that's not a good thing people get purpose in work what do you you're like the age of retirement but chosen or way past that. larry kudlow our white house economic adviser an old use peer on our show a lot says the trump administration is considering a weekly back toward bonus for americans returning to employment what do you make of that. beats me it doesn't sound like. you know what we know it's government's job to keep us safe to protect us from foreign enemies epidemics they have some pollution control rules but why is it government's job to give bonuses to this group and this politically favored company

and that's a recipe for disaster we're already gone broke. but they will say mad for years they said when roos will put the new deal in and he is certainly it doesn't government have to do something in times of crisis doesn't it have to do something yet get out of people's way so free people can create the opportunities that we always have america was built by people who had nothing and. other than their hands in their brains and it was only and roosevelt's day it started to get much bigger for most of our history it was less than 5 percent of the economy now it's 40 percent and he wanted to do still more his friend said that the crisis reveals character what do you think they call the 1000 crisis as real devadasi society.

it revealed president trump to be ridiculous on many fronts. it's shown us to overreact and have disproportionate ideas about life and death. some good things will come out of it it will teach us how much we can do without commuting to work teach a bunch of old people like us how to using in the internet it's unpredictable at this will though it will be bad and good. what do you know what do you make of i know you are an independent very much so what do you make of trump's handling of this. well i like it that he was skeptical that we should close america forever. and i like

it that he was aware of how regulation chills things and how. governments rules about testing preventing the private sector from producing tests was a bad thing and he grew up in the private sector and sees how regulation does a lot of harm that's the best part of triumph but trump acting like a crybaby because the press criticized him very. choosey scarboro being involved in some murder it's childish and so he struck to. his narcissism comes out and look at me look at me and the biggest thing and the biggest crowd i have the best in fighting oh good you're supposed to outgrow that when you're older than 3 he ducks and. you're supporting a candidate are you not through the election. i'll vote for the libertarian but she won't win. and i certainly trump over the

democrats who would bankrupt us even faster. you would you would vote for trump over biden. yes. twitter has placed a fact check warning on from what do you make of that. it's better than totally censoring him and i think it's ironic that the head of twitter standards or order it is it's clearly a truncate or because he's posted things that show. that to stay so sial media bias that leans to the far left is a problem but hey it's a private company they can do whatever they want. what do you what do you make of social media platforms like twitter and facebook net positive you like them based

coming down to one of the other would you like them. i like um i mean i don't do one what i used to do on 2020 make sure that i'm doing it because fox gave me an hour t.v. show but i thought that's not my skill or lot of people can do you can do have a talk show much better than i can but my skill is creating things into short packages that are fun and can explain more complicated subjects and my son said dad young people aren't going to believe what you say on fox you don't need rocks anymore you've got a 1000000 twitter followers and there's shea spark and you tube and you can just use social media. ask you are for some money and we're making a video every tuesday and i'm like doing it the conversation continues the comment go on sometimes her new year's they get comments on things i posted several years

ago. one of our pieces like on the 2000000 dollar bathroom built by new york city should have gotten 12000000 views. i love social media from new york build the $2000000.00 beth room. everything government does is below average quality and above average cost. yes this was the bathroom in a park and i said the parks commissioner probably regretted sitting down with me so how can this be oh no you have to make sure it's sturdy and we have to make sure it's going to stand up under all that use well there's a private bathroom at a private park not far from there that's much nicer and cost $400000.00 well we have rules we have to we have to use union labor we have to consult with all the community groups well doesn't it bother you that then takes 3 years and cost $5.00

times as much you know that's just the way we do things in government john it's always great talking to you very thought provoking and great seeing you on the lovely cape cod thank you larry nice to talk. we thank john stossel 1st time today and we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking a member you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag and that's all for this edition of politicking. seemed wrong. roles just don't. mean the world get to see palin. and indeed from. the trail.

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