plus what is it about communism and the rotavirus up to cuba being drafted in to help major nations defend themselves from coronavirus we speak to india's so-called coronavirus they are herself a communist minister k.k. china job the monster mind of the perilous strategy that may have saved tens of millions of lives could have saved tens of thousands in europe all those or more coming up in today's going underground but 1st we have going underground value our audience would like to make some clarifications based on feedback we received regarding last wednesday's programme in that show i referred to britain having the west coronavirus death rate per capita in the world this statement is based on the apparently a rolling 7 day average figure which puts the u.k. ahead of even the united states in that same interview guest former government health minister and rena currie also stated we are blacker than the rest of europe in reference to why the u.k. has a highest per capita coronavirus death rate in the world we contacted there about it and she clarified that she was referring to evidence that appears to show black and minority ethnic people were more susceptible to go in 1000 than white people

you can find more information about both of those verifications on our website and you tube channel but one irony our guest identifies in his new book is that britain was once the envy of the world when it came to handling epidemics contact tracing was pioneered against cholera in london's soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor frank snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome in this early frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why you've dedicated your life way before coronavirus to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to pandemic diseases because it seems to me there were. or

for way for understanding how societies function are put together their values the relationships between people their economic systems that is to say i think that there are sort of like a looking glass in which society can see itself plus i've become increasingly aware that epidemic diseases have really substantially transformed societies and are part of the major picture of how societies are who volved and have a decisive impact in that so they're also extremely important as we're learning now with cove at 19 i was living in rome the virus broke out and i called that fortunately i had a very mild case now because arguably here is now a epicenter here in london to just say that it wouldn't surprise you that pandemics linked to capitalism and its destruction of forests say you talk in the

book of the laws of the marketplace negative externalities at the end of the book actually yes indeed what you're saying i think is vital to understand what's happening that is to say we have a model of industrial growth that is rapaciousness and pays no attention to extra knowledge as you say as we progress of leader story animal habitat we're bringing animals and human beings into contact with each other and ways that never happened or sold them out and in the past that is now with increasing frequency and it's not surprising then that we have. ever greater number of spillover events in which diseases that is viruses in particular are transferred minted crossed the species barrier between on a wild animal. and human beings and anyone reading your book would also not be

surprised by the fact that today government say in nato countries are saying that the economic pandemic is it will kill more than the coronavirus pandemic just tell me how in your book you show epidemics completely transform countries from the haitian revolution to the aging 12 french invasion of russia the louisiana purchase the creative the modern united states as we know it we should expect political transformation from epidemics we should absolutely this goes back to the very earliest of. demick pandemic diseases one can even go back to the playground tunes everything about it and it was transformed 1st geopolitically athens army is devastated and loses the war to sparta and sparta then becomes the hedge in modern power are rather than out and with in the classic war and we also hear from

2 cities that democracy is destroyed we hear that out and something that sounds very familiar had long been a welcoming place for immigrants known as medics are but during the results of this pandemic tens we see a surge of xenophobia and the great democratic leader paraplegia darren's of the disease i should say that anyone churning in actually greece has performed very well come comparably than coronavirus terms but you mention para clear as supposedly the u.k. prime minister morris johnson's hero does it make you smile when you hear the especially warlike rhetoric about coronavirus employed by boris johnson and donald trump of course now as the us in circles china with bases do you see parallels there as of the rhetoric really ramps up now of. china being

responsible as it were for the coronavirus pandemic do suit parallels in the scapegoating and blaming been very a red line linking these events people were blaming immigrants and afternoons at this we were just talking about and we see during hiv aids that homosexuals were blamed when one is shocked but not surprised to see the blame china and here and it ministration saying officially that it's the chinese diseased the will harm disease and so that's i think a very unfortunate and very anti public health measure well arguably of course the w.h.o. has fewer and fewer resources now the united states apparently have peers to be pulling back funding for it but you do say that we must understand the virus itself

that the disease is not random and that it virus like corona virus is selective and exploits what humans create rather nationalities they should absolutely i would argue that diseases are known for its societies that create the parent ways by which diseases reach them and i would call this the 1st rate disease of globalisation and so no it's not by chance that virologists have been saying for quarter of a century now that a pulmonary pandemic is inevitable as part of our future and now we've seen that it's actually arrived many people by know that cull mox predicted monopoly capitalism arguably but you're writing about how our economic system has created the fault lines upon which covert and tb or color travel you think there's something we can learn from marx prefiguring this true. well marx was not thinking

about disease on the other hand his description of a repair industrialization process on a global scale are rings true enough and i do believe that this virus is demonstrating something you would have understood which is the tendency of the diseased to exploit the fault lines of poverty and disadvantage and we can see that that is precisely what coke at 19 is doing it is a disease if you look at a city like new york city that the it's the poor and the united states poverty is inflected with ethnicity and so it's ethnic minorities have double and triple the rates of death from coke at 19 and then internationally we see that now covert 19 is ramping up to become

a great disease of the global south it's impossible to practice our means of defense in the industrial north or social distancing and washing your hands if you live in. in the shores of mumbai these tournaments that are densely packed with 10 people living in a room a social distancing is meaningless and hygiene is impossible in an environment in which so often and wonder are actually how to be purchased on a daily basis and are not freely accessible when you've been studying all these epidemics from time immemorial does it surprise you that elites don't seem to comprehend that they are only as strong as the most vulnerable time and time and time again i mean why is it that the mistakes are made repeatedly throughout the book by elites this is one of the distressing aspects of our path. does and it

seems people very quickly for one thing have amnesia after there is a sudden flurry of thinking about these events soon after they've happened and also there's been a more sinister aspect which is this sense that the bar poor are actually guilty. there's been a terrible tension between social classes particularly with those diseases that preferentially attack the disadvantage and so the blame game begins on a rich magnified level and we see this in the tensions this may be one of the factors that made the bloody repression of the not and the 19th century event such as the repression of the revolutions of $848.00 tonight and the paris commune were in part i think the violence was magnified by the

a sense of elites that the disease was the fault of what they called the dangerous classes and one can see this in covert 19 in the united states at the moment were of the far right of rural america in the n.t. who are down pro-choice with flaming places like new york city and the poor. and was with the hoping to withhold sort of payments of social network benefits from places that they regarded as undeserved playing and dangerous i'm not far from a so in london here do you think it's ironic that i mean some estimates show britain being perhaps the worst in death numbers or excess deaths at the running averages in the world and you talk in the book famously of john snow under 50 years ago pioneering contact tracing and yet britain one of its words that actions here was to stop all contact trace. i would entirely agree with that as

a desperately sad irony britain not only did pioneer contract tracing but it also was the home of the sanitary movement in the 19th century with remarkable on making cities safe and hunted genomic so it's terribly ironic that britain should be in one of the world's leaders and that's partly because it not because it's unhygienic but because it failed to be prepared and failed to follow the dictates of science which said that we have just a couple of weapons for dealing defending ourselves from this disease and social distancing and testing and contact tracing are the only weapons we have and so it was remarkable that britain and the united states were partners and also

brazil in not being willing at the outbreak of this epidemic to put those practices into effect to protect the society well the book's out now epidemics in society probably sales figures higher than your wildest expectations professor frank snowdon thank you thank you so much been a pleasure after the break as coronavirus spikes worldwide domestic violence the un special rapporteur dobrev because of all of it john barth's on the britain one of the countries like that of me who does russia not to ratify a groundbreaking convention on violence against women plus india's so-called communist coronavirus level parallel population $35000000.00 deaths fewer than $50.00 or more coming over by 2 of going underground. is the united states hell bent on self-destruction agenda emmy for dramatic economic turndown and then out. massive civil unrest all pointed you think could

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helps me. let me stress no small. point your thirst for action. welcome back in the 1st of the program we discussed the conservative liberal austerity that arguably facilitated the u.k. having the highest rate of deaths from coronavirus among countries that produced comparable data maybe but how has that austerity exacerbated the crisis for those at risk of domestic violence joining me now via skype from zagreb in croatia is the un on violence against women its causes and consequences some of it thank you so much because how the coronavirus lockdowns in the main affected violence against women. thank you very much for inviting me during the her corona lockdowns sir it

is clear that home is not safe place and during global downs we mean and children are confined in different places that could be places of domestic learn serve even family size and there is problem with services that are needed to prevent search or cases acquire learns in such situations home is not a safe place so there are no now or are situations of increased risk of women and the government should be aware that they need to provide their for different measures that are needed to prevent such allowances even during the car we'd love abounds have us are expected to say that as a un special rapporteur but i understand you believe that covert is illuminating preexisting conditions in societies that especially with respect to domestic violence against women you're right because there are preexisting

inequalities in shortcomings send forms of gender based violence that is widespread in different parts of the world there are different levels of violence and there are different services available or not available even before the call it so for example in some stays there are no shelters but in states where there are shelters we have to see if shelters are all in a bowl then for example for protection orders hotline schell clients different types of for police interventions they should be open and accessible is essential so we have to really call all governments all around or to or are looking into prevention measures to see which type of fur helplines could be available source sometimes it is even s.m.s. messages differently types of for messages that could be central grocery stores or or fire. signaling domestic violence and so on and so there are there are good

examples there giving a vision can i just talk about the core centers because britain is one of the last countries to ratify the 2012 istanbul convention i mean what would you say to countries that say they couldn't afford it here in britain we have to bail out the city of london in 20008 came under a from criticism from your then colleague un special rapporteur on poverty and that's why britain could not adhere to the several conventions requirements for 24 hour help lines that alone the plight of migrant women the simple commission is providing girl eagerly binding standards in area of preventing domestic role in central and 2nd stream in the same level of standards serve we also have in united nation nations convention and elimination of all forms of discrimination against women there more general but through our soft leuchter

pretty short of that convention basically are those requirements that are in the symbol convention are also to global level in cedar convention sold those states that are not seeing possibility now like u.k. are the strong market council of europe for the region to ratify the symbol convention they should be aware that they have those obligations also under united nations see the convention and the correlation and elimination of while and so against him and we should be aware that are you know cases of domestic current context family sites are down by intimate partners nations or un r.d.c. agency a whale a bowler it's their upside we can see their turn out of 10 person skilled in the context of our intimate partner violence more than 80 percent don't remit and as united nations special report on why that's against. i mean i should call all

states to establish a family side to watch ok we'll have it just very quickly though if the obligations are there anyway under the u.n. charter's or resolutions then you can understand why britain or russia russia has not ratified the convention you can see why states don't want to maybe because the obligations are there anyway what's the point of the is there a book of it already geishas clearly expressed is the convention because they're very specific and they're showing what are those legally binding norms they should be included internationally just nation so are there are more precise so for the treason countries are seeing them in a in out more legally binding manner that is really spelling delegations but in the longer runs all those states that are not yet able to react to face the convention they will do it because there are there are currently also using some buyouts of those standards in order to improve down issue legislation so the point is that

each symbol convention is sir you know way is a legally binding stronger with a stronger implementation a mechanism server and monitoring mechanisms there are different levels of morning hearing that are really showing back at the national level what og gaps and what the governments are not doing in line with international law the u.k. is seeing a 49 percent apparent increase in helpline calls a drink over it spain 30.7 percent and reported cases in russia doubling under the lockdown i just want to finally in the time we have are you about what you're hearing from palestine because i understand your one of the 1st rapporteurs to visit palestine in 2016 after a long absence of un rapporteurs britain sending record amounts of arms to israel what are you hearing about the effect of domestic violence from covert invalid's which is stick to all states service. since we are also under law has

a special report not able to travel i am receiving information so also or 2 or more online sources so i can also include it on my website all for all stakeholders what's been states non-governmental organisations in the bent institutions to send me information about trouble and related still violence against women during the current 19 pandemic so now i am receiving a lot of informations and we are so much in the middle so it's not easy to us says for example they play is not truly comparable the same is saw the star in israel and all of the states and when i resisted the state of palestine and israel i here we commended collection for example of family say they and eve. also inclusion of family say watch analysis of cases in order to see how to prevent such cases in the future but in general it is a problem of data because many staves are not collect all minnesota of the

different forms of violence against women and we have 2 are now growing direction of really connecting they laws and policies and government responsibility is to act and to prevent violence against women and girls you know as restaurant i thank you. thank you. well if the sight of communist cuban doctors in nato countries saving lives is one thing news of a coronavirus slayer in communist carroll or in india is another arguable nightmare for supporters of near liberal capitalism joining me now via skype from carola is careless communist health minister k. k. shall a job credited with masterminding a coronavirus strategy that could have saved countless lives all around the world thank you so much minister for coming on obviously karen our population of 35000000 if we took britain's maybe 60000 dead figure we would expect maybe.

30000 dead in kerala but you haven't seen 30000 dead in kerala what is the situation there like that didn't make the guard i wondered and dark it says. i am because of largely preparedness the individual in a sense out of there or me he'd be very date of the battle to get that day and or they're going to end this judgment because. i am but i want a 2nd phase started again. then being a new glad that gun did it glad locked up in march and april that it was easy to remember the floor from our safe to get lunch and we did it now do with that but some sort of don't order need to go and because our goal was to court and isolation and treatment the curator the was in 2

cases and they plan to make good out of it but i'm a graph become low and we've lived in the gulf but after that event a lot of them leave dead and the again good to have it begin the graphic it shows that ace and that there has been or there has been a rise i understand in the in the past few days but up until recently you have only had a handful of deaths the 4 international airports were closed down but why is it that you are your policy was to test and treat us in britain the decision was made to stop all tracing yes we have testing the symptomatic cases yes cleaning the bridge yet leasing and screening them live in the airport and or so if they are coming from sad face you know what jack was to be up testing each and every body and symptomatic cases we are shifting to the hospital as implementing it you don't want

current day stick to him current day and we have a right seeing each houses and the help of the doctors have government and police and help other goods you don't need to do not need a mobile phone app or you doing this with people yes we have it good and that it was a man as the nation among the poor and evicted joint broke with the got to do what we had doing everything here if people travel to britain they have to pay for their own quarantine in kerala. the government the communist government pays for the quarantine yes they have a bit of a public health system here and also be percent dead approach and to be have a. diverse everybody can create awareness among the people that do implement those jodeci 157 we have. had all of us don't goldman here and it is under the leadership of communist party and also. socialistic

approach and the centralized approach and after that everyone forward that to these endless supply any and i think because we have a system be created a system here and c debt under the base of that system. managing these things with the help of the poor in associated manner and just finally and briefly carola is now producing its own p p protection equipment is that right we're all guessing now but it is not some fission we had buying from other places also up in riyadh collecting from our that part of. the country don't even have us scarcity for these been b. but now because it would amount and now we have sufficient using been being dropped out of it and we are protecting our had to have it because

properly and we have separate b.p. at night and 95 miles to each individuals but do that then we have protecting our there's probably health minister thank you. thank you it was about the show will be back to wednesdays every 3 years and. they get killed by the ira proposed indian politicians which would kill or displace 16000000 people until that was join the underground following us when you put a facebook instagram account of. thinking of getting a new phone the ones we got in here shows no problem was he didn't know and still trapped in this tiny little wired coach we don't use a crate with him he will stir freaking out in she will want to spray him anywhere near and thousands of breeding dogs are caged in the into lane conditions on puppy farm i mean 67 years you know they've been locked up in

a cage outside you see no protection from the weather the heat you know the cold air the rain the snow the funder nothing they have no protection. from the you. know it's true kids. across the us cruel puppy mills are supported by dog shows and pet stores most of the puppies are coming from these large scale factory farming kind of operations are being sold in stores even joined a good businesses are involved like cargill and mom santa there has been a shocking amount of organized opposition to efforts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding for so many most of that opposition is coming from huge agricultural groups and industries that have nothing to do with jobs don't buy dog on o.t. . come to the community commuters. welcoming our viewers from around the world

to life from central london this is aussie u.k. . a truck plows into protesters as violent demonstrations rage across america over the killing of black man george floyd while a white police officer that's as solidarity protests take place across the u.k. despite warnings about social distancing. england's next stage of lockdown easing comes into force with the reopening of outdoor markets and car show rooms that's as health secretary mannheim call refuses to rule out reimposing and national lockdown but says the government will try a more localized approach. schools in england begin to reopen that lancaster county council advises schools to deny the reopening amid fears of a 2nd week we hear from the leader of languishing council's labor group and an

education expert. and the e.u.'s chief negotiator claims the u.k. is backing away from its brakes it commitments and wants a go deal likes it could be on the cards i'll be talking to a press it expert. welcome to r.t. u.k. to the us 1st where tens of thousands of protesters have again been venting their anger at the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of police it's now weeks since george floyd died in minneapolis as a result of a white officer kneeling on his neck we sit is a blaze ravaged and looted at least 40 have imposed curfews to try to contain the unrest some of us may find the following scenes distressing. in washington d.c. and initially peaceful march to send it into another night of disorder with several

fires breaking out near the white house while in new york violence escalated as night fell. out. i was right about like 15 minutes ago. there was the 1st and. why do you know why i caught it like a white uniform and then a couple cops in the uniform they don't. feel like allies i thought. there were 5. in minneapolis where floyd dies a team can drive at speeds for a protest on a road that had been closed to traffic officials don't think anyone would try this

and apparently assaulted by a professional spent a short time in hospital. charged with assault charge cloyd's on has spoken to r.t. about the law says the public's reaction has been overwhelming everybody get a chance to see that video and watch and it doesn't matter why but i mean probably after you come from if you have a heart you know that was well. know he has no bike to do that in you maybe i'm just so you know i'm overwhelmed but the response that we getting that you so love and for us. ringback this child it takes it all in because we really like me because we my nephew the world youth justice league dark floor for joy floated with the. flu the end all be convicted of murder. and is murder 3 just planning just trolling for

a murder spree you just toying with the family college for the 1st time i call it what it is. murder. that could be anybody for our random. moment of my. heart. if you would young you don't look like they're. trying to argue on. me while solidarity protests have taken place in cities across the u.k. london manchester and cardiff in the capital assassins gathered at trafalgar square before marching to the u.s. embassy despite police efforts to disperse the crowd 5 arrests were made 3 for breaching coronavirus legislation. to the mississippi today amid. the i know i know we are you we are human beings that's what the government needs

to realize the i.q. things we are not animals and the reason why we do the protests with lies lies with those black lies haven't since the beginning of time and the way that the system is designed serves of protect every other community that is not black every other nation that is not black white people who have been on the receiving end of the please rich ality views and the murders and the constant genocide every day that happens to our people and we need to raise awareness because a lot of white people are going somewhat what we have to experience is that people do experience that use their oppression don't think oh yeah we're out here sucking up today to stand for that and fight for that distance but in solidarity we're fighting for that today and hopefully we can raise it with a raise more awareness but all the process justified is a time when mass gatherings still pose a health risk to the wider public family no barrister paula wrote adrian said the

issue was a worldwide concern. white i think we all need to understand. clearly george freud is more than the disease that is coronavirus we've already had the disease that is racism it's already gotten worldwide we've already lost millions to the disease that is racism and so one can understand why people are taking to the streets let's see if you can even if you do understand it the problem is what would you say if a spike in infections then stems from this gathering. i think that's a difficult one because when we look at what we have already seen we've already seen people gathering at the cheltenham horse race we've already seen people using their instincts haven't weighed in and out to use their instincts to make trips that you're aware i may think that they shouldn't have made and i think that's the danger that there isn't a consensus clarity right from the talk about what is permitted and what isn't

permitted and when you have a situation where people are marching for what is doubted liam very good cause if you are then going to say to those people will i'm going to let you use your instincts for one scenario but i'm not going to allow you to be smart enough to use your instincts in another scenario i think that's insulting looking at the case of george floyd to think it's a case that's actually for the us justice system it's something that's actually an american issue absolutely not this is a world wide issue this is about one of the strongest pillars of every society and that is the legal system and if we see that the forces of the legal system are acting in a way that is betrayed those very principles then of course this is something that affects us worldwide it affects society as a whole. england's lockdown azing has entered its 2nd phase today with the reopening of primary schools and car dealerships. family

is allowed to meet in private gardens that's health secretary matt hancock refuses to rule out reimposing and national lockdown. to everest ashley joins me now or are there shadow so what's the latest there so today is of course the start of the 10th week of lockdown but it's also the 1st phase of 1st day of the next phase of the lockdown period as well as primary schools outdoor markets and car share rooms are all back to business as of today it's all part of boris johnson the prime minister's plans to get britain moving again and try and get the economy back on track now and it today we had from the health secretary he says the government's plan of action is actually working but when it comes unlocking the lockdown measures they could be reversed if need be the truth is we are attempting to move the system from these national blanket measures to a more targeted approach and this is why test and trace is such an important part

of that but we've always said we've always said that we're prepared to reintroduce measures whether that's nationally or in response to a localized outbreak if that is necessary. well while many people are welcoming this attempt to try and return to a semblance of normality not everybody is too happy about it especially considering many scientists are still coming out with information that the our number the rate of transmission is too high it's too soon to start unlocking the lockdown and also we could see a resurgence of the virus in terms of a 2nd wave or 2nd peak of it as well when it comes to schools though to be specific not every single child across the u.k. has to go back it's only years 16 and reception and indeed some schools across the country have refused to open their school gates entirely plus we've heard that 50 percent of parents are actually keeping their kids at home because they believe it's not safe for them to return there although other lifting of the lockdown

measures across the u.k. as well particularly it comes to outdoor markets though all of them will have to abide by strict social distancing but what we are seeing is that public opinion is now changing and according to the office for national statistics what we can see is that the data around fear surrounding the corona virus has actually gone down with 9 out of 10 adults leaving their homes between may the 21st and the 24th now last week 41 percent of people felt scared or vulnerable when leaving the house but that number has taken quite a plunge this week down to just 29 percent of people saying that they feel unsafe however 98 percent of people claim to be abiding by these social distancing measures though that certainly didn't appear to be the case when we look at images coming from london's parks whereby there were groups of people and certainly flouting these lockdown measures one of course the not abiding by the to meet a distance but also congregating in larger groups as of today the the measures have

been somewhat lifted when now we can see that people can meet in groups of up to 6 in an outer space or indeed a private garden as far as the government's concerned though it's all about keeping that on a. well because of course if it goes beyond one we could see a resurgence in the virus as boris johnson has long reiterated and today also mentioned by the house secretary if they need to reverse any of these policies they will. date shadier thank you very much indeed. coming up after the break. primary schools in england start to reopen but one of the biggest councils in the northwest advisor's its schools against the move we have plenty to of lancaster council's labor group and an education expert. on the news talk negotiate just as the u.k. for backing away from its commitments and warns that a no deal exit could be on the cards i'll be talking to a brick said expert. is

the united states hell bent on self-destruction agenda make a dramatic economic turndown and now massive civil unrest all point to point could this to be avoided also targeting hong kong watching immediately for species play for india.

in. when i was true seemed wrong. why don't we all just don't all. get to shape out just days after. and in detroit because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart if we choose to look for common ground. are. welcome back into this primary schools have reopened as britain further eases its coronavirus restrictions the government insists classes are now safe but parents

teachers and educational sorties are still wary about the health risks r t z surround i reports. the united kingdom england wales and england in particular has decided to open the doors of schools in the in the country however not everyone seems to be going along with that plan here in northwest london this girl's school has decided not to open its doors as have many others it would also appear that local authorities as well disagree but also interestingly and most importantly sage the scientific advisory group for emergencies which have been acting as the main government's advisors throughout this crisis have also warned against opening schools too quickly for fear of a 2nd peak you know really concerning the level of being to be across the country as a whole is too high a moment to open the schools now the prime minister johnson has announced 5 tests

that must be passed in order for different areas of the country to reopen once more but as far as some teachers are concerned the decision to reopen classrooms should be left on the risk assessment for that should be left down to the schools themselves every individual will have to. assess the sea for students for teachers the staff etc. and even each assess their ages see if. you will be small models of maybe 6 or 7 depending on the size of the classroom however for those schools who have followed the government's advice to reopen there are new rules and regulations in place including having no more than 15 children per classroom and encouraging more regular washing but also trying to get children to keep to the to meet a social distancing role which is difficult if anybody who's

a parent or a teacher will understand but it is for those reasons that some parents and doubtful that these measures will even be effective in the 1st place my son of my niece nephew had been they worried they don't know what's up that's the school that i couldn't say my concern is that my son will be coming back with a virus as he will be the best scientists and my stanley a little it's a little family members and that's a moment number of peace actually going out. and you don't have to simply now for those teachers who perhaps are fearful of their own safety and don't want to return back to school government don't seem to be implementing any type of punishment for them it seems to be a decision that will be left to teachers whether they themselves feel like it's safe to go back to school again that's just a problem in england and wales scotland northern ireland these issues of all been

delegated to the local authorities there and they've all decided not to open their school doors just yet since some cases it won't be until august at the earliest and so there are that's left some questioning why the apparent rush to reopen school gates here in england you finally did. maybe you can punch weed which is on the border between scotland and england. streets maybe children will be looking to reach. where i'm on the other side of the street because they haven't stopped and the are not rich coming to school so what does make sense arsehole i think england are out of step with scotland wales and all my linen or me while a government spokesperson says they're not ruling out the idea of schools remaining open over the summer that's as lancashire county council in north west england has advised its local schools to delay reopening the move comes to to fears the government's 5 tests for the easing of lockdown measures have not yet been met

before june the 1st schools were open only to vulnerable children and those of key workers the council has said they have no confidence that reopening schools to more peoples now won't risk a 2nd peak where i was joined by the leader of lancashire council's labor group as our alley he thinks a school store don't have the protections they need but what's clear is many of our schools are quite old schools the classrooms are very small live cities aren't suitable for bringing a large number of troops back into school and many schools are also concerned that retention it's a real problem and there is a set of rules that the school governing bodies are reacting to the security should and our responsibility as a local authority is to make sure they're look as long as our good work with the suits but we also make sure that we minimize the risks inspection and because of the government's foreign charts very clear that we want to share which is one of the big disappointments in the country that the capacity to test interest is not

rare and we don't have the resilience systems in place which can support the schools and therefore we provide schools what's real current the problem is that there's a balance isn't i mean children in the meantime they're missing out parts of their education are they in also the social activity that's necessary for them as well. absolutely i mean there are lots of parents i'm a parent a cerebral set of kids of all words you know what it's going to get my school and that's absolutely right you know a lot of schools that are more schools have been setting whole works through i mean soon coles sending things through switzerland means electronically and contact intruded on a daily basis and contacting parents so schools are teachers i've been working throughout this a lot of them and working really hard and diligent rate but what we're going to ensure is that we do not believe that schools airy and risk a 2nd marriage because that would be absolutely chances for each other or that there were some bored children at home runs and children who were really sick and

end up in hospital. but to discuss this i'm now joined by ed by education expert maury maurice and my thank you very much indeed for joining us what children they need to go back to school that they for the sake of their education and their mental health that they. absolutely the the mental health problem that you know delaying school was. a significant be educational apps of keeping children out of school is long also we've many children really missing out and it will have a long and i mean but that of course has to be weighed against the very real public health risks of reopening and that's a difficult challenge now teaches local authorities indeed what we see in schools i put up across here are already i mean so in a way we followed their lead on inside many things that happened with coronavirus so what's wrong with following then leave now. well england scotland wales are not the same in terms of the way the virus has spread and being managed as other

countries a lot of people have compared us to denmark who said they've opened their schools why can't we but it's not really like the light is a comparison i think it's wise really for schools on an individual basis and within local thorazine use to make a decision as to whether beijing safe based on the kind of guidelines the government's given but in terms of what's going to make most sense in america contacts you can't just say we like denmark or we like belgium or worse for me if i ask rules are different different in terms of their architecture and if our local communities are experiencing quite different and varied rates infection cases the problem is that if the government allows head teachers to choose when to reopen schools that could result in some peoples missing out more than others it could be big gaps in education can't that well of course and be the risks we have to balance and there's the other issue which is that families having to keep children at home and home schooling there are only going to cause enormous enormous stress of their

own and having an impact on their on their proximity work so it's not an easy problem to solve of course there's a tension there but ultimately we charge head teachers and what have you trust with that duty of care to say yes our children the best education you can obtain and we give them the responsibility to make those decisions now we give them now do you care in this in that context it doesn't seem much of a leap to say to them judging from the situation in your local community whether it's safe to reopen or whether it's productive to have students back in what are quite compromised teaching situations you have the ultimate decision making power to decide when to open your school so usually for the benefit of the children or their families and for the staff who work in schools there's also my family there's also the question of economics is there and also the the wider context of that i mean children also need to attend to school so that parents can get back to work because as it is we've got this economic prognosis that's not good. absolutely and

that was the point i was just making you know of course families are hurting and the nation is. productivity is suffering as a result of her exams school children roads and schools we course long to get children back in school i know my wife and i should. but to do so without risking a 2nd wave insertion of them getting us back to where we were beginning of march and it is a delicate balance isn't it mary marcy many thanks for joining us. now the ears chief negotiator michel barnier cames britain is backing away from commitments made in the political declaration which outlines the course for bret's at negotiations he also says the country faces a no deal exit from the bloc if london doesn't change course the u.k. has been taking a step back key steps back 3 steps back from the original commitments the u.k. negotiators need to be fully in line with what the prime minister signed up to with

us because 27 heads of state and government and the european parliament do not have a short memory we remember very clearly the text which we negotiated with boris johnson and we just want to see that compiled with to the letter and if that doesn't happen there will be no agreement or bonnie has previously hit out at number 10 for failing to engage substantially in the brakes at negotiations while the british government claims the e.u. is unreasonable with its demands it comes amid new research from aston university which claims small u.k. based companies have already diverted exports away from the e.u. in anticipation of trade talks breaking down the u.k. is looking to secure a free trade deal with the block before the bracks a transition period expires at the end of the sheer and why tour has previously rejected calls to extend the implementation phase i want to discuss this i'm not sure i bracks it expert professor john wright has arrived we seem to be at an impasse both sides are blaming each other which doesn't benefit either side does it

. no i mean as you know i've been on the program quite frequently talking about this issue in my view since the time of last year is basically do is into this government i don't read the care whether they get a thank you and if they get to do a code they would do it and then times the problem is i have left now the e.u. then no longer a member on sunday and negotiate a team not with an equal sovereign entity but with a march launch and see and they're finding it very difficult to get their way so when it goes right is that. an interesting letter which is seen as a negotiating ploy or a wage a negotiating ploy to say this is what we want an equal partner and they're not an equal partner. and a wage in the sense that they want to trying cut off you know get some of the

nation states within the e.u. to to maybe support the british position while knowing that we're going to work because he doesn't offer anything to a nation within the e.u. if they were to support the british position there is that where we're 4 weeks away from you know getting. an extension if we wanted one and there's no sign that we're going to do that and in the meantime as your previous. speaker is talking about because it's 90 that is radio taken this in a way i've got i'm a conduit with that in this sunny not dealing with this at the moment will show you that you and the u.k. recognize the risks of an ideal corrected and would do all i can to avoid it but how likely is an ideal. i think it's priced in how to rig a thing quite a lot of people who are reticent to say no deal was going to be de facto now coming

around to the reality that there will be no deal and that's going to be damaging for the united kingdom and damaging for the e.u. but the e.u. have been here before when they were negotiating with the united states when they would not giving them some of them lines of negotiation which the americans thought that they could override and thus i doubt very much that the u.k. can get its way with the e.u. if it perceives this course of action date and on that note we'll leave it there professor john ryan thank you for joining us and. and that's all for monti u.k. our colleagues from altie america will take over at the top of the hour from all the team there in westminster mine. join me everything on the alex salmond chill and i'll be speaking to us from the

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to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest marcus papadopoulos in london he's the editor of politics for us magazine and in budapest we have george so muley he is author of bombs for peace nato's humanitarian war and he was right gentlemen crosscut rules and effect of music in japan you know what and i always appreciate when i was going to george let's talk about what's going on in the united states because there are there's a lot of elements to address here 1st of all that the mainstream media want to say it's racism racism racism and of course there is racism in the united states and what happened in the george floyd in minneapolis is unforgivable though there are still information we need to learn about. jumping to conclusions too quickly as has been shown to be a very bad idea and we have to get to the point of this civil unrest me what i see .