well. know as well. points your thirst for action. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle rage of description fear and despair how has the united states found itself in such a state of turmoil growing income inequality and systemic racism or poison politics take your pick what is the difference between a protest and a riot and is it accurate to say the us is becoming a failed state. to

discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest r.c. maxwell and being next he is the arizona director of the block conservative federation as well as a brand ambassador turning point usa and in mclean virginia we have the brown that he is the founder and national ordinator of the movement for people are actually cross means you can jump in and be what. ok nick let me go 1st oh you're you told one of my producers in preparing for this program that you believe that the united states is is a failed state and the recent events of the last week or so are is is evidence of that explain yourself please go ahead. the reason is that in the response to this crisis pandemic we have had a government that got him. within a week and. marched past the cares act and what was that it was

a multitrillion dollar bail out wall street and big corporations did not in sacks address the actual problems that were or before the crisis you had 80 percent of americans were living paycheck to paycheck less an i phone or dollars in savings for more than half of americans and now you're telling them that they're supposed to kill or neither or it's american without any any income so that they cannot afford rent and they can still be evicted in the middle of it and then act while not providing them universal basic income or universal health coverage with a single care or medicare for all system because the things that people in other developed countries in the world this is the richest country in the world the united states other people take medicare for all for example single parents as they take that for granted and so now you have the absurdity of a country that is on top of that continuing to murder people of color in the

streets without cause on video and you expect people to somehow react and have no reaction to that and so you know the definition of a failed state of political science is a government that they also protect its people and doesn't provide basic services now in the united states more than a 3rd of families with children and no longer or food and and more than a 3rd can no longer afford shelter those who are renting you know it in looking at the public discourse over the last few days particularly since the death of mr floyd. the mainstream liberal media and i'm pointing this to r.c. right now is. grabbed onto systemic racism and then and that's part of their mantra any case i suppose could be made for that but the phrase i can't repeat i bet resonates with me because i think that tux. beyond race it's actually

a class issue but then the ruling elites do not like to do frame things in terms of class and i think nick did a very good job of doing that and i'm coming from this from a complete servitude perspective here because watching the elites in washington bail out the richest people in the world i think they were are no chance these people are going to go under here and i'm really disappointed with the g.o.p. i hope they're not going into the lame stablish when democrats will need to put their toes didn't believe in helping working class middle bellies is oh it's good policy is good oh it takes but it's not happening r.c. go ahead well i think that there is no i you know i don't care sure exactly could have done a better job but he's got or i would but she's a wire for right you know americans below a lot of americans. i think if they got few $1000.00 you'd probably still see these protests if they had gotten $3500.00 you probably still see these protests i think

that it's highly academic and a little bit of spin in nature to say that this is now to turned into a class struggle i think an actual reality what you're seeing is you're seeing are radical groups doing a very good job using issues as a cover for their motives and they're just saw their justice and. are seen and heard well can be true with the same time would you agree both could be true at the same time because i think there. is there's a perspective there's an older americans who are you know still in a little bit of economic experts say that it is nearly predicated on a g.o.p. . or bailouts that would appease the american system it is a bit misguided in my accent i think. i got in trouble of the amount that they did yet i still think you'd see protests and i think you'd see protests not necessarily because of cost. but because these are sort of the worst errors and mark

you know what i or america or and i mean what i think is wrong making the claim that this anger is because of what the g.o.p. did or didn't do is really a footnote to hold this year i think they mean let me go back to nikki i mean this is the neil liberal model of being judged in and being judged by a wide array of members of society i mean we went from. the apparent murder we haven't had a complete due process year of an unarmed black man and many many outlets now we've gotten to riots all across the country and i think it is left that that specific tragedy and it is being people are expressing an enormous amount of anger because the system isn't working for them it has nothing to do with one check or a 2nd check if the system isn't working go ahead nick. i agree the system is not

working for a ball. and i think that that cannot be overstated when you have so many people in poverty at this moment and you know when you have for example for even those who when there was a there for example there was a freeze on bishops and foreclosures earlier you know early on in the end amec a couple months ago but that freeze was temporary and so that is going to become you for example and you will see thousands tens of thousands of people get kicked out of their homes just like you saw in the great recession i mean some of the figures that i brought up earlier about a 3rd of americans with children not being able to order food anymore i mean this is a reality this is why i described this as a state not being able to provide basic services it goes beyond that and what i want to add to this is the fact that you cannot continually tell. i think a people who have lived through centuries of slavery bent

a century of jim crow and following that mass incarceration police brutality prison took for a school to prison pipeline and then say that somehow ah after decades of that one peaceful protest has not worked that somehow they are the problem or an expression of desperation that is happening now across the country you set it up very well and i and i understand the argument and its campaign compelling in many respects but let's go back to our see here i'm sorry i will have to disagree nick this kind of looting and violence is completely unacceptable it is against the rule of law it is it turns into a hobson war of everyone against everyone and and i find that an excess. it will and you know watching

a 90 store being cleared out that has nothing to do with what happened in minneapolis again anyone it makes that claim is wrong ok now i'm agreeing with the nit with nate in the sense that this is a systemic issue and it's being fought for one thing so that agree with you marcy on that i want to talk about m.t.v. a little bit later but that's why i asked the question in my introduction which is the protests and right go ahead us well see if i can and i think you know nick i think you and you are perhaps a good service to the democratic national committee writing these are talking points use i think that the way that nick is trying to construct a reality is exactly what the far left wants you think they want you to think that this is all about racial inequities in our country and they want you to think that this is a had this kind of mindset that america is a current system is a prevailing mikes and among most americans well guess what it isn't like americans were serai. or 'd coronavirus was unleashed. however it was.

from the east so i don't think that america is a failed state when you look at failed states like i don't know places that were stabilized by drugs or if you try a crap spices like the green horn of africa those are felt states what happens and what happens and chatted up and in europe when someone really needs a surgery they come to the united states united states provides much more than what is needed that's much more then ever m.r. so sorry are you americans are doing fine what's happening right now does not result in injustice in america is simply the result of as a result of the coronavirus and a desire by a status meant our last hours to create a kind of tension in america to create a kind of you know kind of an environment where you know. the talking points he talks maybe get a couple a swing voters to you so vote just for me then how do you go to. 2016 as an oversight and power suited back into the new you know what role you know over or

expand it i mean business as usual so i asked. the meal liberal project that has no it's not party specific ok i mean they're all in on that ok and i this big player biker audience i don't think the democratic establishment would really give mitt any time of day because i speak as a concert and this is much against the g.o.p. establishment as i am against the d.n.c. because i'm trying to reimagine politics here maybe a progressive i'm a conservative but i think we can do it because the people who are separating us are the ones that want us to keep us separated and don't want to talk about a reasonable policy it's a lot's been said here nick go ahead jeff. likewise. i actually left the democratic party in 2016 after watching them cheap bernie sanders and after having worked on his campaign actually lobbying the d.n.c. members to try to persuade them of the kinds of things that i was saying that was

the job i add on that campaign and so if that is it he'll ever a project is a bipartisan projects you know you have seen for decades on end working people have not gotten a rise the minimum wage in real value in 1968 and so that is consistent through democratic republican administrations both parties that helped all control of government during this on their bill clinton we are with the democrats across obama democrats as well and that is basically why i'm working with an organization actually called the movement for people's party who just was out was a major new progressive up those already in the united states and that has nothing to do it with the democrats are taking her to get away from both of them because so much access and able. to see how do you respond because the interesting thing is if it and again in principle i would agree with nick and everything he said it just

how he would get there that's when we get into the minutia ok and that's fine but i like politics i like to be ok i like to honest people ok now people are constantly lobbied to you in the new style because up to the do best. i agree i agree that template you see i agree with everything you said but i don't think you're on so you're missing the point for me really neo liberalism is a bipartisan project and so is anti trump and the reason anti tribalism and you are who is are similar is because that trump is a populist strong is we're a national conservative we were not trying to find a lot more in common with bernie sanders populous voters. you know and and gets media center. democrats so you're right you know what religion is an art. is the action system that i think. i am an interest from trump on a bipartisan members obvious hours on end up quite strong kind of that's why trump

is able to you can actually read it. because national it was is something that speaks to both parties anti-establishment and you know a lot of what i mean you know you. personally you just. hang on ours like it is that i would have hoped that donald trump wouldn't take in the lead in dealing with this crisis but no he let congress do it and i found that really remarkable that he didn't want to take any responsibility for that i gentlemen i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break you know our discussion that endemic and its reaction and writing in america safe.

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welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing whether united states is becoming if they don't stay. ok nic let me go back to you let's go back to a topic but it was just touched upon in the 1st time of the program it's on t.v. and that's something that really really irritates me here and there is ample evidence now video footage of these a professional troublemakers from all over the country invading communities and just causing a ruckus and destruction and we're being up all kinds of. emotions when we don't need that right now because you know i say this to anyone's support and cheap is that whatever you do where every human do it you her or and working people

ok and they're very selfish these and keep people and they are i would say the antithesis of what they claim to be they have a very mindset it's my way or the highway how do you respond of course there are people attempting to exploit the crisis but to focus on those people is to deny the justice that actually created this systemic problem and it's a beginning where that's what i would say oh yeah ok but it so you would condemn though their tactics on. their behavior of course said there are those who are exploiting the crisis to do bylane loot you know and that is that bedsit be condemned it doesn't you know it doesn't necessarily have to do with george lloyd there are people who are using it you know as there always are you know just like me but at the same time if you're going to condemn that you know i mean you have to

condemn the conditions created this in the 1st place and i think we agree there and you also have to condemn those who exploit crises on orders of magnitude far greater than that it's like explaining coronavirus past the biggest or transfer of wealth in american history i mean the reason why he made it really come is that it's a special court with me nick is that the the middle class has been looted for 40 years ok they have experienced that here and 2 wrongs don't make a right because our see i am very in phatic about this think the number of stories i've been told from people that are in the know they're up ended and minneapolis a firefighter or i don't know if he was active or retired he was going to start his own bar for the community and it was supposed to open up on monday today but hurt the ground. and i think it was an african-american on top of the class a race shouldn't matter but i mean there's a who are person to pull himself up ok addict you think that he and then you have

these thugs to go burning to the ground he didn't have insurance he's just out of luck ok this is what you're mean by this type of behavior because this kind of behavior is unconscionable under us history and counterproductive r.c. it's very counterproductive and you know when you have something that i actually said a few days ago and now i do what not many people do you ask what it meant but i was wrong is it go i said it. can dangle leaders before we stop but we are a prerequisite is arresting george will it's my. and guess what he was arrested days ago and already has continued under the worst so i am in addition to the master and how you ever went to all of our. house oh there's no room for your trunks to get beaten down by a man with a wooden plank i mean we can continue to say before we can get back we should also

condone violence i. know a lot of time has come. down and and recognize that this just isn't happening on the ground the discussion. on top and you're not in america is being signed shocks hijacked by whites isn't just popping by in secret and in the streets it's also happening i have small rules when it comes to the span of a narrative and went on being spied on by the establishment media make this a class struggle well and that was they want to make it into a race struggle and i don't i don't buy it and i'm america's original sin is racism ok and it'll it's something a project it will have to work on for our entire existence but it's. like but i insisted i go back to nic here it is much more of a class issue here because there are so many myths and many more people in public need to think looking at the reaction to the coronavirus and now the tragic events

i have just come to the very same conclusion that the elites no hoper had any answers for the problems that they have created you know why because they're just insulated from those problems ok i mean they can or are mainstream media all cable you know you can have all of these you know these a talking heads on t.v. talking about how sad and poor and terrible things are they're all earning 68 years they go back to their gated communities i mean it's almost as if they're watching a netflix series you know and just waiting for the next episode you had. it is a really. well. well the richest americans millionaires has increased by $434000000000.00 during this crisis and so you have a section of society this happened and this also happened the 21st that separates off from the rat this is during you know during the gilded age of that's why when there was massive inequality right before the depression and the stock market crashed and black to say that set it was like an american

a stock aristocracy and that is what's happening again when you have one family you go out and am like that as the wealth of the bottom 43 percent of americans and their consult and they're using this crisis to consolidate even more well then you do you have a segment of society that is no longer connected they do not experience it's not only that they do not live the conditions of the majority of americans the mass of working class americans but they no longer even experience them or come into contact with them in their own lives like you mentioned they live in gated communities their area around either. limousines they go to you know there are. the glass op you know massive glass office buildings you know in steel skyscrapers and they never have to see or encounter the ramifications of the kinds of all that you know and i'm including members of congress here senators you know

the average of which is about a $1000000.00 and well and many of whom enrich themselves in the course of office. they never have to see earth experience the consequences of the laws that they passed down the brunt of which is borne by working people you know her see if i was just astonished and go by the fact. when the lockdown started in you know 1st you had the markets crashed and all that which of course is a subset of all be oxygen the markets and well the. markets don't really have much said to the average person ok most people are not invested in the market it is they put so much attention into it ok and then with this stimulus or aid packages i mean i just find it astounding the concierge treatment that the richest people in the world the richest concerns in the world the treatment they and then we have both

parties is 2nd guessing the maybe we have to wait and see that's more the g.o.p. being and then you have the democrats it's not their christmas list of it is every kind of special interest they want and most of it deals with local allat exposed the bass majority of people are sick and tired of it seems to me that the political elite on both sides of the aisle they forgot some really simple things like most people go ahead r.c. look i definitely agree that there is an error and that there is now you know a sense in the air that a lot of americans are still looking at a lot of younger core not only one percent but you know people who are rich people who you know seem to have the ability to counsel other americans the other problem though is that a majority of those kind of. our most they are largely and still courts will be and are you know you see on t.v. every day from these mass protests right so i think that we should question on those motives and ask ourselves why are people at the hands of our all the celebrity creating all these funds for individuals wired to continue to drive this

chaos and number 2 we need to remember that a man who was doing fine before this lockout if anything this isn't an indictment on america as a state this is an indictment on globalist must own experience and i think this is what trump and you know conservative opulence on this is what the mess that they're trying to get out this is what you hear when i talk about you know you know reinstill an hour in the america all of the problems of wealth inequality you talk about what happened remember what happened gates global so if we never want to be in china and i earned it translation status. 170 not the one who isn't talking about the clinton years they're all anti trump and they're all anti this new kind of way for opulence here so you're absolutely right there isn't a critter if there's animosity toward the rich or stock markets and that animosity is is actually. getting momentum to the national movement and you see the trunk continue to critelli continue to use our space well ok oh i can say is china didn't

steal one job from america it was america's elise that sent them overseas ok i mean this is what you just played thing it's just it again it's part of how to divide us this is what you know you can be the left the traditional left and the traditional right they're always looking for ways to bite the majority of people i actually believe the majority of people actually have a lot of common ground and would have 50 percent 51 percent agreement but it's a it's are pathetic political parties that never want is the habit of a real debate ok 'd because somebody put something money in your pocket to make a telephone call or putting your son on a board on a company in ukraine and you know it the the elites have just separated themselves so far from the average person they have no idea how we feel what we're doing it when we need hell they don't seem to have the tools or the brains to react to go ahead. he goes beyond that i don't think that they are necessarily in

control of this system to the degree i don't you know this is a system that is built you know capitalism on unlimited growth you know. and of course on a finite planet that has i had resources you know and dishes who are working people and you know working people do not have infinite amounts to give you know there are certain physiological limits you know you need a certain amount to be provided for in order to add up to eat. order to add shelter in order to outflow that i mean basic needs education health care and those are the levels that are being exceeded now you know and you're seeing mass loss of people who used to be considered you know in the middle class in the united states dissolving into the lower class and so this is something that was happening before

on the virus it's insinuating now i would disagree with r.c. but that trump is a populist actually in the sense that he actually represents working people i mean for someone for a reality t.v. show billionaire to have and brought other billionaires into its administration and have of course signed off and gone along with and advocated for the kinds of bailout program that we saw that was or is this earth small business bailout program you know what we're seeing now is a massive consolidation of corporations unlike anything that we've ever seen in the u.s. and it's going to be absorbs it right out of money as r.c. i really wish were an economic populist when he's president certainly has all the time you know what my guess would be nixon and the great and what would make you are watching us here are p.c. unix not remember.

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