hello and welcome to crossfire after all things are considered we were told the civil unrest in the united states and beyond is about systemic racism we're told western institutions and values are inherently flawed and corrupt though neither really explain the real evidence of social breakdown what is really in play here is an ideology and ideology that demands absolute submission and total. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guess to me bob it must go he's a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in nicosia we crossed the outer sapporo is the director and writer for the duran right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means in germany i mean want i was ok

alex let me go to you in nicosia here i mean we've been talking about this now for a few weeks and i've actually changed my mind a number of times in trying to analyze and understand what's going on here obviously the neo liberal order is under threat it's being challenged that's very clear but from a number of different trajectories and not always really overlapping. we have an underclass particularly in the united states is a revolt and of course we have the pentagon making the law to add to and then you have the professional raw material class that in my opinion is using systemic racism and other isms as a cover because they know the economic and political system is the interim extremely unjust and then we have all the other players matter. to what degree they're really important is still. unclear to me but they're certainly being

propped up by different elements of the elites and importantly the media so i mean it is kind of a purpose but i don't see a list of demands the only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the establishment is is worried while for the 2nd time in 10 years we see a massive transfer of wealth to the wealthiest people in the world when up to 2025 percent even more families are food insecure here in the united states so i listed kind of the macro the big picture here which is your take. i mean when when i take a look at what's happening right now in the united states i kind of see this as the establishment class the neo liberal elites kind of admitting definitely admitting that they can't be trump at the ballot box especially with with joe biden and i

think now that you know even a hillary clinton. you know substitute for joe biden i think is now a reality that she can't wait either so i think they're coming to the realization that come november at this moment in time they simply cannot be trump. in a vote at the electoral college they can't win so you're seeing just the extension of russia gate ukraine gate and now you're seeing what's happening with the riots and that's fine you have people going out on the streets and protesting what happened to floyd there is that i don't think anyone has a problem with the peaceful protests but the fact that you're seeing a top down mobilization of rioters getting out to the streets looting using very much very many of the same tactics that we saw in other international color revolutions one that comes to mind right now to me is ukraine and what happened in ukraine you have all the same players there instead of the right sector you have

the ante for you have a lot of the n.g.o.s that you had in ukraine also mobilized in the united states and you have small pockets of protesters who are easily controlled looting and destroying things going after cops you had a lot of the same elements at the might don that you're seeing in various cities in the united states specifically in minneapolis in new york and other in atlanta and other cities around the u.s. so what you're really seeing is a regime change i think there's no doubt about it while there are you could have 2 truths a day at the same time he could have protesters ok and you could have you just heard someone who just nailed it there you can have 2 choices you can have multiple crews that are right through at the same time that's what i think this is so maybe you look at it you know. it's the mayor i think alex is right i mean it at least on a treasury level i mean this is about trump it's always about trump and so that you know unfortunately that affects our politics so much because there is something is systemic problems here but it seems to me again right as i said in my opening

comments here i think that this is ideology that the really only needs are using it it's a false ideology because they're there they know how to divide. the the people that have the most grievances and that's the working class not only people of color obviously a lot of people in the middle in the in the working class are people go in there are very very poor so this is kind of conflating it all together because you know. the professional military or class they want the status quo the kind of the status quo bomber everyone was feeling good you know having wine in the shower and of course trump does a player on this but i'd like to make very very clear here what is really significantly done except for portable his ball garrity ok which i got i don't care about the tweets i care about. well i basically agree with alex i

think a very important it's rational use by the regime change what is regime change basically it's a serial war you know new sometimes a real civil war like in syria or in the green well i mean just this point it's cultural with me were great i mean that's the origins of this here people are now. basically it reminds me of the darkest wages in russian history because. their establishment media when they used the same problem not the math that's that they used against and against saddam hussein and in games when they started then you are again strong i mean i despise trump he is an equal character. institution you know this institution of the presidency they went 8 games to the institution of the presidency with the same propaganda tools that they used in syria in ukraine in leave there so if you're not russian history how did the

russian revolution happen lenin sat well to transform the imperialist war into a civil war so our bombs people basically use the same technology has the. instrumentalists against ukraine or against it they use them again against trump inside the united states and the huge danger is that drunk we stamp that turned a civil war endure an imperialist one again that's why he's created all this course . you know he's trying to again deflect attention and jones that anger against china. why mine just to make it very clear the best cycle of this was written by guardian. let me just who is narrative because he's absolutely right that the dangerous thing here is not a person you know it's not a bomb or by them who are the devils it's the narrative that is so let me just

quote you. they say the media they just spent the majority of the last 4 years greek and promote your non official narrative which costs more the americans white supremacy who literally elect a president and who wanted to become king to the races. according to this narrative which has been relentlessly disseminated by the corporate media the russians for donald trump and all of this with those d.n.c. emails they never actually crack and some division so we raise more acts that support. black americans in refusing to come out and vote for clinton so prudent perfectly all or at least personally some are pretty slow to destroy your democracy and now these people are out on the court and now these people are supporting looting and the so-called protest which the media to transform themselves into wooden and violence you know they support it simply you know do on the one i'm

trying so desperately to clean up the carpets so in a bain capital kind of memory has to be both of you at the same time here in ohio it's a game yeah it is focused on trying but the danger is here to take out trump as it were if you. you're going to create institutional damage because i don't think they want a grand transformation just the opposite they want to know joe biden nothing will significantly change this course by trying to take trump out does incur massive institutional damage i mean they want poll at the same time you can't have oh ok so i mean at i think they do want to keep the institutions that they had under bush under clinton bush obama and yet became rich yeah they want that for example they want that war machine intact they want the globalism intact they want the manufacturing that's that has left the united states they want

that to continue so they do want the institutions the wall street intact and i'm not saying that trump doesn't support those very same institutions i'm not saying that but in their mind in their mind trump is aiming to break those institutions down or at least replace the people at those institutions with other people for them that's a direct threat so i do think that you know they do want to keep institutions attacked but they are willing to sacrifice the united states constitution if they have to i mean do you agree with that game and and also i will i'm i would say they're willing to sacrifice a good part of the country in the process here see there's no nobility in what they're thinking about you know this is all about systemic racism it's about you oh you know that's all nonsense i don't think that's their propaganda that c.n.n. and amisom always are pushing but it has nothing to do with any of those things do you want to jump in now well i'm not sure you can read it all these institutions

you know the woman sheen which destroyed which is destroying ukraine and which destroying syria's not only. is completely. arab. they are destroying. if you should because the presidency is an institution and basically a very democratic one they are destroying the well you see if you want their the strength of various of american society. people. you know that has been around her when they were not yet when it began but you know again i kind of want to stay with the here and now here i mean they're willing to say this is not looting it's mostly peaceful and all that because it has a direct political impact ok again it seems to me that the worse the better without destroying the entire thing because that's how they've been able to be so successful here when i think just so extraordinary is the lengths that they were

willing to destroy our political discourse our political system our institutions everything that's just. visiting other throw the dice keep going so well that well i mean just there are these there are you know orange west's you know or yellow west brom's you remember how they went against them why was the young the west or east part of the rule some of them are. not know they're supporting this so-called uprising and again and you know. all guardian these so-called rebellion you know we started a popular model to. ruthlessly by the groups this rebellion class marched in the working poor and international uprising she had won by the corporate media and liberal establishment i mean what really is disgusting here is this double standard

the yellowest are bad but you know the people who are saying trump is a fascist their group you know they don't rattle matter gentlemen here we have to go to a hard break about about our break and continue our discussion and a new be our new ideology religion in american power. join me every thursday on the alec simon show and i'll be speaking to guest on the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.

we go to work. straight home. to off fighting oh oh oh it gets crazy no. we've been a real gunshots few begin murders controls all life. becomes our last community young people are deciding if they want to not like their parents not like 10 liberals or. the blacks are always drug school again war was wrong you always have problems but you are going to focus and walk is the most ubiquitous going out there most police departments use it almost overstayers in the school tell that they could get their hands on cameras in 24 hours. through it and teach nice kids about racism about

police brutality taking cried and there are these kids are a part of all history. well the left across the uk where all the things are considered i'm keenly both remind you we're talking about a new ideology and religion in the west. ok alex let me go back to you i mean if if if we were and were told by the mainstream media we're told by left wing groups and i'd be along in this is obviously a great opportunity for them in so many different ways clicks ok their bottom line

to me not you and tell me that c.n.n. is actually doing well for the 1st time in 19 years and they know how to play crisis but you know if they're if they're so determined to change the face of american politics the tone in the tenor and why the packing joe biden i mean i mean with his. bills and his record with supporting the police and the and military interventions around the world i mean it's really quite hollow isn't it because they made sure there'd be no change in the democratic party because that's why they got rid of bernie ok i mean i guess that seems so hollow to me and so empty and in going through this regime change process which i think i think is probably appropriately said if we're getting about the real pain that so many people in the country have it's it's you know it's like bulldogs squabbling under a carpet you know i mean it's these elites that are doing so well i mean by vince

the ultimate empty vessel i mean all he's going to do is just continue with the obama the 8 years under obama the bush era and the clinton era so for them biden is the perfect president and it goes back to the destroying of this petition i agree with that the presidency is absolutely the ultimate democratic institutions the ultimate expression of democracy if you have a bite in winning then yes it is democracy for you have trump you have to tear it down that's the way they see things it's always a binary with them and you also see it on the streets it's a binary these riots are a binary you're either with us and you're ideologically pure or if you're not you're racist you're white. supremacists in ukraine peter in ukraine they support it real not fake not imaginary real neo nazi neo nazi white supremacist real the real deal not this fake stuff that they're pushing in the us

media these guys were the real deal they were violent they were damn violence and who supported them who supported them oh brock obama didn't show biden joe biden was running the country pretty much by supporting them so i mean there's no you know there's no virtue in any of this and they did they want to do it it's ok but i was going to say but this isn't about ideology it's always about power because they've waited with the way they are of framing this ideology it's just a vehicle for power it has nothing to do with balance been a chef. well i knew you wanted to show me a lot and back palosi want power back yet i think x. is exactly right my feel is the one white supremacist i'm barking the green and not this and i just wanted to explain it to all of europe or the ukrainian nationalists it's boggled their rates just now if you want discourse is that russians are not

slavs russian side descendants or dadar in are you going to vote now not europe you know we ukrainians where you are slavs were blown and so these kind or who are it may seem very strange to americans you know russians are white and opinions are white but racism is not and our racism is about this you know hierarchy that you built you know europeans europeans there about all there are russians in ukraine because you're pretty and say that we are europeans all of which means to hold to europe and this is a very dangerous edge if you are very dangerous or little bit of a team a big team at claiming that using that rhetoric all it's doing is that it is the vibe in the polity in ukraine name that's what they want to do it's a means to power because they can't win power on their economic success they can they can do it on anything up i mean this is a well tried endeavor here to always use the race card to bite people but it

doesn't if it doesn't solve real racism and then we're going to announce here i mean all of this alluding. taking and me which i find really a horror here how does any of that change systemic racism it just purchasing not what was it bright part the person that said andrew breitbart that you say that culture is downstream from from politics i'm sorry politics is downstream from culture right i mean that's the whole point over the past 1020 years they've been dismantling. the culture of the west and take the united states they've this been dismantling the family they've been dismantling marriage they've been taking down physically taking down statues historical statues gender right they've disappeared they've been dismantling gender so all of this shouldn't be seen in just the vacuum

of the last 2 weeks this is been a progression this ideology and now we've reached the end reeve reached at the end of this or maybe the beginning of this new religion actually which is peter take any meal before the mob kneel before your new god so for the managers i understand the exercise and the intent but it doesn't solve anything it's not meant to solve it's meant it's meant to tear down and that's that's how i look at it's not meant to solve a problem it's meant to to rebuild this new utopia this new utopia is not going to be built in god we trust that's out the window. that's out the window we the people in god we trust if you do these are new thinking this isn't thinking you're not a silicon valley out of these you know billionaires that have this new idea this jury and humanist idea you know the irony of all that is and said you want to quote unquote you're really one demagogue and replace it with

a group of demagogues ok i mean if we're not going to have the rule of law we're not going to have a constitutional and i would legal precedent. then what do you have dinner what you have here is you have a not a utopia. a disco here ok this isn't a nightmare scenario rich and you know what i guess i'm the one that goes but i don't see how middle class people working people benefit notice you had bhima well i just wanted all of you are stunned to stand that we are not against a real left isn't here there is not athan rule on about real leftism there is nothing wrong about fighting racism the problem is that fighting racism is be an instrumental ice now by the people who just want to delete due to my strong and present everyone who disagrees with the so-called liberal s. a bunch a white supremacist that is unfair that's what we are fighting against and unfortunately you know something wrong happened to the left in the last at least 20 years don't

want to french philosopher has split way to well i. just said that right now the real leftism is about defending the international order fighting there was a regime change seen around the world and very rarely a so-called establishment left is doing that well these are the greens i can look at though your happened to the left his name is tony blair and bill clinton ok that's what happened the last ok alexakis alex one of the things that you know i'm so read about concerned about is that i want to see transformation and real transformation of populous transformation here but our politics now. we're so polluted. and so impure because what these people are doing is creating like as you said a binary i mean either you take the me in the knee or you are excommunicated from any kind of political involvement whatsoever that is antithetical to the tradition

that has worked for a lot of people and you know what hundreds of millions of people around the world would love to have just exactly that. i mean i think there's a large part of the population that definitely would want that but i also think there's a large part of the population that does not want that they want power and i think they could feel that they're closer to power and you know going through what happened in the riots there was a lot of money made the corporations are going to make a lot of money off of the riots atmos out is going to buy up and the big corporations are going to buy up a lot of the property that these small businesses now have lost whether it was because of the cv pandemic or whether it was because of these riots so a lot of small business have gone out of business yet a lot of n.g.o.s that are going to make a lot of money and they're going to continue to stir up trouble is being bailed out they're being bailed out they're being bailed out hollywood celebrities are donating money corporations are donating money black lives matter is now a viable very wealthy and g.l.

so it's going to continue. to do what it does so a lot of people gained a lot of power from this 2 week alex you forgot something kind to him or none of this goes through a democratic process doesn't this is not going to this is just this is administrative fee i mean the reason why i bring that up is that even though nancy is going to get her to go below average look at all of the goodies that doesn't have 50 percent plus one in a voting situation so you you put it into the back door and under the carpet here this is a see this is what this whole idea was. approach doesn't it short circuits democracy because they can't win using a democratic process go ahead now yeah and it's not meant to go through a democratic process because they know they can't win so they're going to do everything they can from now until november to stack the deck that's what they're

going to do and now that these riots are going to subside they're going to subside because he didn't get the jobs report that they were hoping for i.e. they were hoping for a much worse jobs reports in what turned out which turned out to be a surprise jobs report and i think it says. white house is good news is antithetical to their view you know it's a nice day with you here before we end the program. do you think that at this point in time that the. that the liberals and the democrats they they are misplayed their cars you have that you mention the jobs report and there's going to be this way into law and order is this protesting in violence this type of protest again violence and it's go ahead isha well i think they were they were hoping for. the people out on the streets to propel that to that regime change that we're talking about i think that's doubt that's been the dig difference from russia gate ukraine

gave the impeachment a they said they actually got people out on the streets so that right so i think that the fact that the jobs report was not what they expected i think is going to take a lot of wind out of their sails for the regime change but but i think of the next 2 or 3 weeks you're going to have another go at it and i think they're refining their tactics and they're getting better or ideologically because as they're not rational and they only big about self-interest that's all the time we want to make my guest in moscow and in nicosia and i want to thank our viewers for watching and you see an ex i'm remember. my no team no crowd. no shots no. action

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well. us movement against racism has also taken a hold in europe with some protests turning ugly over the weekend this demonstrates his clash with police and looters targeted. the mayor of minneapolis meanwhile his head cool for refusing to defund or dismantle other u.s. officials increasingly to pressure. massive protesters and also to come the police come into court.