you can't point to the cuckoo that i have. this isn't a. yes. he he's a he yes fuck. hey folks next up on dennis miller plus one old friend of mine you know him as one of the judges on america's got talent which is going to do its 15th season we'll talk to howie mandel right after this on dennis miller plus one. hey folks welcome to dennis miller plus one my guest today is a pro i've always admired diskettes career even way back when when we were schlep and doing comedy clubs how he was in theaters he always had to travel buttoned down he always had an opening act he always set it nailed and i thought this guy's going to go far and d.d.

has you know him from deal or no deal one of the funniest comedians i remember you used to a show called make me laugh i think is where i 1st saw how it i thought this he kept it's great and he's a good position to judge because he's had a long track he's seen it all america's got talent there 15 seasons of the show premiered last month on n.b.c. it airs tuesdays on the network i believe 'd it's the number one show whenever it's on how i am and. great i love that you start this whole interview with how much of a pro i am when your listeners will not now but we've been on for 15 minutes and i didn't know how to turn the my thoughts so the real problem. i never said you were i never said you were gadget khazan i just said that i always admired how you organized your business life well it's not a gadget because then i'm on an i phone i mean i would imagine there's not it's really that difficult i'm just lost. ever since radio shack closed my life hasn't

been the saying you know howie folks know he had some a.d.d. o.c.d. problem you know i have a d d o c d where i'm constantly changing what i'm completely obsessed with but how he was always a bit of a you know german loveliness guy the world's come around to you my friend yeah but that's not really a good thing you know the thing is this is the nightmare that i've been living in every single day of my 64 years on this earth almost 65 days on this earth but there's something about having a nightmare where you have those moments where you wake up and you go that was a nightmare and now you wake up and we're all living in a nightmare it's not a dream it's reality so that's it's not comforting don't feel like i was ahead of any curve i do suffer from a lot of different things that don't have letters but i guess i.e.d. and depression and those are all part of i got a whole package deal somebody who set me up mentally was on groupon because they got me absolutely everything started i'm a bit of

a mess but you know i'm getting through it and i'm surrounded by amazing people and a great family and good medication as i speak to you and my therapist this is an all new tax bracket just because of me so i think i'm ok. that's always a sign when you have your own wine locker and human door at your psychiatrist office you know that if you're there on a regular basis you know how when i was younger i used to have some of these things where i would get ear wigs or whatever they're called and i would start to notice things and they would flash on to what felt like an uncontrollable loop in my had it was interesting to me while i would i would have flocked to medication when i 1st noticed that i don't think that was as prevalent but i did notice that it was based on fear in my case and when i used to think i'm never going to be able to get this thought out of my head and that would really panic me i remember would grab me i would the only thing that i fought back with us i would tell myself ok good try

to think of that thought every single 2nd and in that only then it began to fall away only by. contritely to see that little that made you know you want to know that i speak part of it that's part of the therapy but i think what's been you know you and i are almost the same age you know and that's i think we probably are you how old are you dan i'm 66. well we're all just bobby 65 this year so in our age and when we grew up you know there and there still is a huge stigma attached to you know mental health issues and mental health issues are is prevalent you know in each and every one of us as you know having a low a back problem or a bad knee your or whatever but we didn't do anything about it i spent my whole life not doing anything about it and what kind of promotes it even more and i would imagine that was your issue too is these weird thoughts that we have and these

weird obsession and that are going through our mind intellectually we understand that this makes no sense or i've already dealt with this move on the fact that we can't move on i think the more aware you are the harder it is the scarier it is you know that. line ignorance is bliss is truly it works but you can't be ignorant i know that my thoughts make no sense i know that i need to stop and one of the things that you were doing is you know you took control of it you go i mean i think of it again but my o.c.d. in my in my lifetime has actually stopped my life you know you watch somebody like the movie howard hughes or read the book about howard hughes i mean here's a guy who had everything and had intelligence and was moving the film industry in the aerospace industry ahead and then he ends his life in the fetal position naked being into a bottle in a room which sounds really farfetched but i can't tell you enough how close to that

i am at any given time. yeah you know you pick out a perfect example and use i used to always think the same thing about the sonic brilliance of brian wilson i used to think boy this guy the price he paid for hearing it perfectly all of it in one beautiful wall of sound was that eventually ended up in a sand box in his bed and whenever i hear about people who are able to pharmacologically adjust themselves you know i know there's problems with pharmaceutical companies that i always say thank god because i agree with you holly you can't will yourself out of this in some way if you don't even find a trick or some sort of key to it just doing it or some sort of pharmacological help the fact that you can't get yourself out of it makes the wheels spin even faster in the month doesn't matter but to hear somebody like you and hopefully me talk about this removes the stigma i think the 1st you know. life preserver that

was thrown to me was accidentally you know mentioning it you know and it was accidental and i mention it in a public place on a radio show and i was devastated and i thought not only in my devastated i probably just devastated and barris my family i probably ended my career and as luck would have it as i walk out of the studio contemplating running directly in the traffic you know somebody said i just heard you and me too and that's before me too meant something totally different i said what do you mean he goes i suffer too and that was so you know heartwarming to hear that i'm not along because all of us are dealing with this in these moments no matter who we have in our life it's very lonely and you feel like nobody is going to understand and nobody deals with this and i think we all do and whether it is something as i just mentioned diagnosable but it is very different then i mean is it is not different than all of us how do you cope with you know losing somebody you love how do you cope with you know the

breakup of a relationship how do you cope with being diagnosed with something or somebody you love being. diagnosed with something catastrophic or how do you how do you die how do you deal with just not being able to be productive because you're watching everything on the news now and the world has got you down and it just shuts a lot of people down i think there isn't anybody alive that doesn't need a coping skill and i think we are lucky people in the ability to identify it and maybe do something about it maybe come up whether you're coming up with your own coping skill or you're reaching out and getting it from anybody i'm not condoning medication i'm just condoning you know removing the stigma and talking about it and for me the biggest. panacea has been distraction and whether it's my career and acting silly you know and making strangers laugh and you know just being busy that keeps me out of my own head and outside in the world. yeah i hate

to do the avuncular older guy but i'm telling you kids anybody out there who listens as of a certain age there comes great wisdom in your life from the hardships of your life and just getting something to us soon is an utter a ball on the outside of your head instead of the inside of your head and having it fall on the ear of another human being a sympathetic human being is a great healer just remember that i can't tell you how to live your life young people what is a. route there but i will tell you if it's getting it from inside your head outside your head is a great 1st step just whatever that whatever i love that's the canal you're great you're. you know that's an amazing performance that is you know i do this you know mental health is my little soap box and you know i go speak on capitol hill to try to get the insurance companies to mirror their funding for mental health like you do for dental health i believe that you know we should take care and for physical

health i was about to say but i believe we should take care of our mental health like we take care of our dental health you know you go get. an x. ray just to say hey look mom no you have a g.'s but there's nothing in place in our regular curriculum for people out there to go once a year and just have somebody ask you a battery of questions and see if your responses are you know healthy way of thinking is just not there so we're kind of left out there on an island on her own so that was just great advice that is the life preserver you got to get those were you got to get outside of your own head the worst place i can be at any given time and especially in these times right now is inside my head it's the darkest place you can imagine you know i once did this movie i did a movie with blake edwards and i reiterated this story in my book but it's such a true story for a lot of us that are in this business but it was about this this guy lying in the corner of his psychiatrist's office in the fetal position just in tears just bathed in tears and he just said dr we've tried everything and i'm going to tell you that

i give up i give up when i leave your office i'm just going to take my life i'm just going to put a gun in my mouth and take my life and he goes well wait wait wait wait let's just give me one more chance the doctor says and he and he said listen we tried medication didn't work we tried hypnosis didn't work i'm going to try one more thing and you're going to think this is crazy but there's buffalo the clown the circus just came to town and bought the clown is is there tonight and bothwell the clown is this world renowned clown who has made everybody laugh people have die laughing all over the world that he believes that you know laughing is the best medicine and laughing you know kind of. releases indoor fans that can fight this this question and this anxiety and whatever is this darkness you just have to laugh and i have to send you to boss of the clown and the guy looks up through the fetal position through his tears and he says dr i am off of the cloud.

if you want to know what makes comedians laugh it or room together it's not the i am buff of the club but what people do the aristocrat big and string it out and place a give it up to the point where you have to get the 1st saw so when you drop the ending it works that's the beauty of a great how 1 he's always been that man always said impeccable timing when we come back i want to talk about the long strange trip from i remember just meeting holly the 1st time on the road and now got ensure goal in the culture a lot of these things these touchstones over the last 20 years that have mattered so much to people holly right in the middle of the belly of the beast doing it with a high degree of aplomb a good sense of humor and i think you can see a nice sense of humility along the way and i think that keeps him and that step with the american folks we'll be right back with a great howie mandel right after this and then a similar plus one. world

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a cathartic 1st segment with how he met well how he tell me about this tell me about. you know it's funny these shows in some way are like major bows ted mack and all that stuff but i almost feel that there is a sacred trust there when people who want to show their wares to the public. they can be told if it's not going to worry there's a delicacy about it but i find very enduring i think that not everybody it's not always brutal simon sometimes brutal but he sometimes very wise but i do think when somebody risks a young person here's what i do it i'm really proud of it there's a real delicacy about it i think you're a wizard and this is humanity and it's humans and we know that you know listen i've always had the i was fascinated by always been fascinated by anybody performing anywhere and i love shows and i love watching shows and i love watching people try

and i i know that talent or humor is subjective but you know i became really cognisant of the fact that when we started going to the comedy clubs you know in in the seventy's we would see people up there on amateur night that were i used to think why is this person even here like everybody talks about how hurtful it is or painful it is to watch a comic just die you know and just just eat crap you know and you see these people on amateur and i think get up and but then you realize nobody has their of their own fruition they really are they needed at least one other person at a dinner table to go you know you should you know what you should do you are funny you need to and then i think that people like you and me even though there's that i think you're brilliant and there's a skill involved but we're also lucky that whatever that skill is and whatever your sensibility is issued aired by a larger group than just uncle nathan at the thanksgiving dinner you know yes you

never know it doesn't mean it's not funny because no. but he laughs it just means that you know your sense ability doesn't really translate beyond your own mind so in knowing that you know i also feel and i know that you know i always talk about there's a little pinnacle in my career and this is and i bring this on to america's got talent to you know one of the highlights of my career was selling out radio city music hall and i did 2 shows and one night and sold it out in a couple hours and my wife and i were in new york and in between the 2 shows i'm in the dressing room and we're looking out the window on the 7th avenue in manhattan and 7000 people are pouring out of the theater and 7000 people are worrying into the theaters 14000 people in this man on the street and that concept stanchions and there's a quagmire of traffic and this is new york city and i'm just idiot potts from toronto and my wife says what are you thinking you know this is men have honestly what i was thinking was and i told her this this is

a city of 10000000 people 9000000 984000 people don't get me that i'm here. but i still believe that you know there's always more that don't so even though i don't get it or i don't like it or i don't i try to be constructive and i feel that you know simon callow gets the bad rap of maybe being mean he's never mean he's only been honest he's honest and you know they plucked him when he started on american idol from the music industry from being a music executive and you know this from just everything we've done from movie state t.v. . the way he talked to us as the way you know people casting people would talk to us in a room would say no that's not right you're not right for the part what are you thinking tried a different way or do that which on american television and i guess on all television came off that was like shocking when he came to american television we never heard that everybody was so fluffy and rosy and and nice and whitman

complimentary. he even on the gong show he was the 1st person that brought honesty to t.v. so you know i feel the need to be authentic and be constructive but not being hurtful and i know how i am kind of i don't have a thick skin personally and i don't imagine i don't when i'm out in public i don't imagine anybody's skin is anything other than mine so i only talk to people and deal with people in the way that i would hope that i'm dealt with yet i once again i think with dolly it with you boil it down folks if you're going to try hollywood . at some point the biggest thing somebody can give you is when they get transactional with you instead of condescending dismissive or just moving you on down the line without b. talk at some point because a stone killer he has an ear where he knows what's going to sell if he takes the time out of his day to tell you i think you've got this but this is the next tweak

this needed you're going to get 8000000 people to tell you i love it you walk out the door and they make fun of your head shot they'd be it's a brutal business at least callisto and is something i agree with ali that's one of the it's all i don't need to get along with everybody in showbiz i do need an honest bounce off the people in charge of it and i think my best and i said you know in 2005 right before i got the other not leaving the business i felt like you know it is even when it's not that mean just by the fact that you are exuding whatever your sense of humor whatever your talent is whatever i felt like i you know my job was to get kicked in the nuts each and every day you know and i couldn't take it anymore and it was really painful in fact the offer from this just how you take things the offer for me to do deal or no deal was the biggest insult of my career i'll go up on my on my manager at the time because if you take yourself back in 2005 there were no comedians hosting game shows you know the last

comedian before that that hosted a game show was roger marks doing you bet your life and when your currency is irony and comedy the game show host was the lowest rung on the totem pole so i thought listen i'm walking out of my career with dignity and now you want me to expose myself to put another nail in the coffin of my career i won't do it and you know eventually my wife made me do it and ended up being the biggest you know plus in my career i've ever had but you know it's a hard it's hard to be talked to it's hard when people are honest with you this is not always a fun career i'm not complaining i'm thrilled that i got to do this and every day i wallow in the in the fact that this is like a dream and i can't believe i'm here and i can't believe i do this and i can't believe this place and rep i feel very lucky but it's not easy psychologically. know it isn't but then again i remember i used to whine to my mum a little when she was still alive and she'd always like an inch is it what are you

telling me i said well i got a brutal review mum and she said you know in a world where children's hospital in pittsburgh exists in a world where kids are coming but my mum was very wise in this way i remember her slap me and god so that's the price you have to pay to lead the life you lead us to be on television you know she said that's the price you got a bad review and she'd look at me and give me that look like for shame. tell me about the judges' table this week this year who's in who's involved who got it pretty amazing how this is been the best i think this is the best year today just because there's this cohesive message from us you know it's me i'm sitting beside heidi clooney who is a good friend outside of the show not been a friend of hers for over a decade now and she's just. beautiful and brilliantly smart and just a wonderful human being also i don't think enough people know heidi you see her on t.v. and you see you're doing things but you don't really know heidi next to her more

stunning ness in the way of sofia vergara who had just met and she is so funny and also very witty and. knows where the funny is you know sometimes i think because of our accent people think that people are laughing at her but she knows you know like i said i said to her the 1st day they said you know they were doing a little package to get the number and i said do you have any you know hidden talents because you just joined the talent show and sophia said i do accents and i said you do accents what accent she goes this one. i thought it was i think i mean i thought that was a radio idea that and she's right that's made her a fortune and then simon cowal who i think is one of the also lesser known amazing human beings that exists you know because people have no idea what he does you know last last week he had on that we had on the i don't know if you saw that

guy archie williams who was wrongly incarcerated for like 37 years now he just knew how does this. it's huge and it was huge on. social media they had this this man who was wrongly incarcerated d.n.a. freed him in the innocence project innocence project freed him after 37 years he got out in march he came on our show he signed saying don't let the sun go down on me after the show i don't think the advertisers elton john phoned you know and was so moved and was crying and was in tears but and now they've made simon an ambassador for the innocence project and he does so many things behind the scenes also when the you know you alluded to earlier like when he is so honest with somebody and sometimes that you know honesty is like a knife in the heart when you see when he sees that somebody is like really taken aback by what he says you don't see it on the television show

a lot and you didn't see it on american idol at all when we go to commercial he's the 1st one to jump up from his seat go up give them a hug and really talk to them thoroughly and let them understand what he was getting at and where he believes they should go from there you know so he's got an incredible heart and he's a good human being and good things are coming out of our show besides you know you talked about ted mack i actually went to an actual ted mack taping i'm a huge fan of you know friday television i used to watch and sullivan and all this is the last bastion of any of that where you know it's great cove you eat your beat 3 it could be 93 you sit on the couch if you don't like the guy spinning the plates wait another 30 seconds there's somebody else doing something totally different there's always something for everyone and you know over a 2 hour span which is a regular episode you will laugh you will cry you'll scream you'll cringe every possible human emotion and i remember the excitement of watching the ed sullivan

show on sunday nights and then going to school the next morning i remember seeing the beatles you know and that kind of stuff doesn't exist anymore except for. in a smaller way on our show somebody like archie williams somebody like some of the golden buzzers we've had if you if you go down the mall today there's not much happening but if you go down the strip the las vegas strip every name on the marquee has had some connection to america's got talent. you know what i'm trying to think of a young canadian boy there's obviously the sullivan show but who are those cats they had a team up there i think because schuster and somebody or do you wait until you know their guys win yury of course yeah you know when it's i wrote it so wayne and schuster i started out in comedy and in toronto at a place called yuk yuk's with steve schuster his sister rosie schuster was married to lauren michael that's right learns why florence was yeah yeah his father in law was what was the from when interest or. i did gather yeah you didn't put that

together yes so i knew him and learned on the when i was growing up. and lauren did a show called heart in lorne and it was a he had before this way before saturday night live he was on camera and he did a sketch show and he's lorne hart and lauren hart was heart pomerantz who went on to be a great writer producer we're talking to howie mandel tell me about i just want to touch on the charity thing as we wrap up our breakout the mast tell me what you're doing here oh i was you know that wasn't a charity thing it was just a thing i was doing 2. i love technology as you can tell i haven't figured out audio but i love video anyway i came up with we came up with games you know we were we were doing games and one of the games i did was this is kind of like a candy crush game and that people play except it's viruses and bacteria so you've

got to line up all the different things and not let it build up in infect the outer wall and we were making this way before this pandemic happened when the pandemic happened we released it and if you go to how yang's dot com and you download the game all the proceeds the games free but people are donating all the proceeds went to buy p.p. i also felt somewhat responsible for that p b e shortage because throughout my career i don't know if anybody remembers it but you know you said it hoard all the rubber gloves i bought my 1st house by putting a rubber glove on my head and i feel somewhat responsible for them not being here when the really needed instead of some goofy comic. you know inside of my left tetris with tetris with tetanus if to put it in short here you go listen i think i should change about i love it. let me tell you this over the years i've always watched you in some point show business about people like you and i've always said what a high likability factor and i haven't talked to in years been talking to her just

for this brief span and the vulnerability some people contrive vulnerability which revolts is me. there are other people who are just adept at what they do and also simultaneously vulnerable and i find. that highly dear you've got that spate of i think writing about good catterall we all right our thanks to actor comedian television host howie mandell for joining me today you can see how in the 5th season of america's got talent tuesdays on n.b.c. and we'll see you next time on done a smaller plus one. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then.

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