dare's thinks. we are here to ask. welcome to i'm contact today we discussed the nature of the permanent lot with author mark green another 20 percent didn't vote for him in traditional publishing so if he can convince them that black is white a white is black according to how they are paid to quote jonathan swift he's got that he doesn't care about tuesdays does care about you or me does terrible reality so he will repeat and repeat a permanent law i as gerbils knew so well as mussolini knew so well the current a big body to people who are 5 2nd voters oh yeah sounds good and then they go back to what they're doing and they both skim. to overwhelm their love of family.

or the love of truth because they believe trump even though the arabs dirty. water is dirty or. the rich are getting epically richer while they in real dollars are getting poorer than are standing at. because they grab onto the life preserver of the current like. donald trump like all demagogues engages in the permanent lies the permanent lies different from the false hoods and half truths uttered by politicians such as bill clinton george w. bush and barack obama. the common political or these politicians employed was not designed to cancel out reality it was a form of manipulation clinton when he signed into law the north american free trade agreement promised nafta means jobs american jobs and good pain american jobs

george w. bush justify the invasion of iraq because saddam hussein supposedly possessed weapons of mass destruction but clinton did not continue to pretend that nafta was beneficial to the working class when reality proved otherwise bush did not pretend that iraq had weapons of mass destruction once none were found the permanent why however is not circumscribed by reality is perpetuated even in the face of overwhelming evidence that discredits it it is irrational the iron refusal by those who engage in the permanent lie to acknowledge reality no matter how transparent reality becomes creates a collective psychosis as hannah arendt wrote the result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as

a lot but that the sense by which we are taking our bearings in the real world and the category of truth versus false hood is among the mental means to this end is being destroyed joining me to discuss the nature of the permanent lie in its danger to democracy is mark green. the former new york city consumer affairs commissioner and new york city public advocate who with ralph nader wrote fake president decoding trumps gaslighting corruption and general bullcrap when it substitute poll crap for the word you wrote mark so are you quite interesting lee lay out the mechanics of the permanent light the beginning of the book the you know how that permanent live works and i kind of just want to go through them let's start with what you call the black swan fallacy or cherry picking this phenomena of

your right of spotting a black swan and then implying that all swans are black what's this about well we have massive evidence against you you have to search for one example so from slide $18000.00 plus times occurred in the washington post and henri is to do is say oh once a bill clinton once barack obama this is true said there were $57.00 states so who are you to tell me that i don't tell the truth now obama said that late in the campaign truck he knows there aren't 57 states and obama's a standard politician he may pop exaggerate to make his point but he doesn't as you say have a permanent law and that's the crux of his candidate scene was or his presidency and that's a very good phrase thank you for it will steal it as we well it's sort of like say

president. that is. he is president according to the $787.00 connecticut compromise which overweighted. slave southern states in the electoral vote and here we are 2 or 4 years later he loses the popular vote becomes president but he's fake in that he can't tell the truth he can't do the job i mean obvious to consult people during a pandemic it's 2 for. them it's like if you ask me to high jump 8 feet i can i jump 3 feet i just couldn't do it he can't do it because it's own grain that he is a. self-centered narcissistic malicious guy that everything goes through that prism so chris you don't know each other well enough but you're too

scared to be on with you so many smart is nader i usually don't do that but i'm making an exception for you. so my sister me or you the sky is blue may look at and see the sky is blue or red we want empirical reinforcement he doesn't care or in tears about his being in the david blaine. master hypnotist to about 25 percent of americans or the french 4th as an estimate that's true of all western society people who are racist are ignorant. believe or else slavery was good for the black people and there's no there irredeemable. another 20 percent did vote for him traditional republican so if he can convince them that black is white or white is black according to how they are paid to quote jonathan swift he's got that so he doesn't care about losing his temper at you or me does

a terrible reality so he will repeat and repeat a permanent law i as gerbils knew so well as mussolini knew so well a permanent big by the people who are 5 2nd voters oh yeah that sounds good and then they go back to what they're doing and they both him to overwhelm their love of family. or the love of truth because they believe trump even though the errors dirty here the water is dirty or. the rich are getting ethically richer while they in real dollars are getting poorer they don't understand that because they grab onto the life preserver of the current law i said you know the power of the permanent why is that it's emotionally peeling which is why people who engage in the permanent life as trump does will frequently contradict themselves often within

a 24 hour period i want to just keep going through your kind of anatomy of the permanent why assertions and adjectives. explain that idea well her press secretary does this all the time instead of evidence like oh you say that voting by mail is inherently fraudulent. it could be fraudulent nothing is perfect we drive cars and we know there's a point 000-000-0001 percent chance will die about what's your basis for that and sheen truck has no evidence so they say it's well know that it's a total fraud. voters in our democracy really and so trump keeps saying 'd our performance has been great in the pandemic and then he'll find oh look there was once a scenario out of

a british epidemiologist said if i don't do anything they'll be 2200000 people gone and let's say that's true so that's the black sheep you take one example you exaggerate it you then self-proclaimed muhammad ali was the greatest a trump says i'm the greatest i'm a success i'm a great success and isn't it easier to attach a fabulous adjective to your own what you're saying and having to do is call scholarship you know an article footnotes and a lot of people will believe the adjective rather than the fact you talk about performance art as part of this permanent why you have that great quote by ronald reagan if you can fake sincerity you've got it may talk about the nature of performance artists in a little to the permanent lie well. if it's hard to know who the real donald trump

is you know hey i know him personally pretty well i refer mayor new york city at a time where i was favored to win so he gave me money not because he loves me he's a transactional guy. and he now has adopted a pretty and of course he adopted regular doc that persona as an actor we get that he adopt their persona as a tough boss in the apprentice oh we get that now when he's in public his job. his body language ringback is head nodding nodding. his face sincerity but people what do they have to lose his voice goes up it's a performance men to dupe the credulous and i find myself

sometimes when he says something i go oh repeal it and then i remember owen said mark you who co-wrote a fake president with routh and you're a sucker for an instant we all go for. the visual sincerity if you can feel the sincerity you've got it may and so are couldn't tell you when he says the 20th time i wrote a law that gave our military big pay increases now 20 times the washington post and. mr dale of the toronto star have said it's a law obama wrote and signed a law that gave the military pay increases so when he says that the 20th time and to being told it's a law i. is he insane is he pathological is he convinced himself or is he saying what do i care what this got reporter says i got a mike that's

a 1000000 times better i'm just going to say it so he's performing for us any convinces a lot of people thanks we'll stop there and we'll come back after the break with mark green the author of fake president with ralph nader. probably the greatest success of the civil rights movement with respect for human dignity all life matter under the rule of law that was then but today the same concept has been turned on its head we are told to change the need or face consequences the social shany is being turned into a ruling ideology. you

cannot be blown with yet you want. to know what a clip of short of no use to the above proof could but the way it's always ok it was a guy who more one of the late. like nothing you know we didn't think the media was helpful today they can put us in the mood and get the call to the. smithsonian national in the capital i could do that at the way i. see they take yes. they can be here yes but the best cars are survival guide books they see just like all the stores simply peddle all

these are. you sure they're you going to get them back to back to the. public no good says a repatriation team or get arrested 7 years. philip a separate kaiser report. welcome back to on contact we continue our discussion of fake president with author mark green so let's move on to the next category of the permanent why which you call the him so machine this is a daily phenomenon for trump what is its role in the permanent why well he has a few approaches we get in your book 21 tricks like a magician has a trick so you can spot when he's doing it and they all add up to law i don't know i. blame him for rate. and. like

i'm as good as tiger woods basketball is a greater athlete so he's great at golf obviously but doesn't transfer trump is a genius at instantly deploy so he's up at a press conference answering questions and whatever anybody says he has the skill and done it thousands of times whether it's real or not doesn't matter to immediately that didn't happen. that's not true oh blame carter oh this palosi is mentally unstable the near times in it an aggregation of pauli's and there are. 500 people there he's personally denounced with the megaphone of course of the white house because of our habit and it's really creating a problem when

a president says something. and that today's a day of infamy or. voting by mail is fraudulent whether it's true or not it's news because it comes out of his mouth and so. it's hard to get around that because of his. repetitive untruths oh my 2nd you would also insult us let's insults forgive me so. there let's suppose he tweeted mark leno is overrated could be true could not be true who cares. but when he doesn't life joe and me. run inside chip on a coffee joe in the morning on m.s.n. the say. morning morning when he says that meek and joe on morning joe on m.s.n. b.c. not they're over rated they're pretty they're not pretty but he says implies joe

committed murder decades ago of a young woman in his office with the we may have had an affair now if i said donald trump is a. polygamist on a curve or who does met people would be outraged i would have as much credibility said and i would be chased out of the public square for our slender he does that all the time in effect he crossed the law cross the line it causes everyone wakes up in the morning scrubs to lunch and when he said of morning joe that he had some people say commits murder and. liz cheney and mitt romney. has said you've crossed the line cut it out and we'll see since he ordered his performance art is never apologize. which is

odd who has his perfect. but it need never apologize you don't learn so he makes a mistake who doesn't. early on he should of. had earlier testing and then asks he said you know the c.d.c. they don't come better for months and said you don't need a mask you know they don't more than i do then you do now and they say every wish you were me has to protect you from them and them from you that was a mistake and we're going to do better if you're unteachable and you're ignorant and you refuse to admit error then there's only one way he or society goes and that's downhill for 3 years we've barely survived his willful lying or his self-delusion psychiatrist can figure out which we're now at

a point where our book we said before the pandemic you know he wants to live out his gossip or what the hell. but if you lies about life and death decisions this country's health and democracy will be at risk because who'll believe him well here we are now 100000 deaths later and eugene jarecki among others has posted a analysis that the best epidemiology experts have said that 2 thirds of 100000 deaths would have been avoided if trump and listen to the experts in february and march when he did nothing. when if he reacted better according to the scientific evidence said she would minimal state 65000 people who are not listening to us would be a lot of truck by policy murder them and so i dare you i and yes i what. i just want to move on i mean the one aspect thing about

the insults is that it's a form of dehumanization i mean you know you look back on dictatorships of the past and it's a way not only are you destroying the credibility of the person who's attacking you you are denying them their own humanity as he did with the disabled new york times reporter but i just want to move on you talk about the you did i think mentioned about the un scientific method but you also u.n. route how this category called upside down is you know your the puppet well if i do that we use a phrase projection i don't know if that's the right psychological phrase where if you're willing sutton you know me that 20 people out there are the bank robbers not me and so he's constantly saying. palosi at aa they're liars or mentally unstable. black reporters 4 times in

a month female black reporters he said are stupid he isn't very arty complex that he overcompensates big time and so when he says something critical about a person it's often to preempt an attack on him for the same thing and so are you blaming me for the pandemic obama left that covered bear when it came to masks and. a testament well whether he did or not i couldn't tell you that was 3 years ago and he ignored obama's transit transition team laying out a way to fight pandemic so. hild blame someone else for what he does and it's a rhetorical trick and turns it dehumanizing people as you just said to use

an extreme but growingly scary analogy when hitler said oh a piece of that but he's a chip and people go oh we can't believe our own stuff like and so when he does stains african-american people report all reporters are enemies of the state race from stalin he admitted it wants give him credit he can't control his breaking he said to leslie stall off camera on c.b.s. every 60 minutes interview has he said enough with the fake news it's ridiculous it's belittling that's not true he said no you don't get to when i say i so the legitimize all media critics and i can always say any to us any criticism is up that's the fake media and that's life. a dog whistle to a listener saying oh i don't have to listen to that anymore and worse everybody but

we'll see it work with 46 percent of americans that got him slightly through the graduating the electoral college we'll see if he can do it not when trump brands about who do something you know has a record of doing better than let me go on to fear itself. talk about that that. you know how fear is deployed in such a way as to. solidify the kind of permanent lie well we've seen over centuries by rome fearing greece or. mussolini suring the west is hobgoblins and so we'll have to have people of our age. the soviets they appeared to be in iconic i kind of agression imagery 10 feet tall they could be innocent nuclear war they can beat us

a conventional war and all you have to do of course in the car here is say someone's a commie and that and their life is rude well now trump tries to do that with any critic and so he'll say if you elect joe biden we're going to go back to and he fills in a word a depression forget that we're closing in on one or. a big government eating you up and so. the only thing he wants people to fear are democrats or minorities are blue states and some people who are in secure in their lives psychologically or economically. they may grab on to this as people would believe elmer gantry you talk about nicknames but i think that kind of we've covered that with insults but i want to talk you have a section called hyperbolic in the apocalyptic especially apocalyptic talk talk

about out ideas again a kind of foundational concept that's a permanent why not simply fearing something but. speaking of apocalyptic he said that if he hadn't been elected in 2016 i'm closely paraphrasing we would be having a nuclear war with north korea now. can i disprove that you can't disprove a nonevent. by the way you avoided nuclear war with north korea since they were in nuclear capacity for 15 years but he simply says that now there are people i saw a woman who was asked why she wasn't testing yourself for coke at 90 and she said to the reporter i don't have to i'm bathed in jesus's blood whether i believe that is true or not is not relevant people can have any religious belief

that they want but language like that leads people like that to believe in the ranch or been. in a coming armageddon according to some religious book and hammer they under that so this is not simply exaggeration. you may not like nancy pelosi as policies as she's mentally unstable but i wish more of us were that mentally unstable and it's a form of denigration where you don't have to answer her criticism now she tries to criticize trump on the merits but every so often i'm delighted she goes well i don't want to really talk about how he's ignoring the health of old overweight people and he is morbidly obese. he's it's true but no really you don't gauge in these 5 year old insults but what are you going to do

in trump. at that point trump went as you've brought it right down into the gutter at his level i'm running out of time so i want to get that one of your last points about political correctness well when you'd by the way political correctness exists and it i'm both sucked but conservatives now use it as a way to imply that someone is not saying what he or she believes but are saying it because of the. up. that the masses the wisdom of crowds and so this week when a reporter asked him a question or white house press conference i was wearing a mask trump said. you can take it off i want to hear you he said no i want to be saved and then jumps at oh you're being politically correct so that's again like

denigrating a black female reporter or minorities he's using a phrase that has no content now in fact the reporter who's now a lot of do this you or i could have said you're an idiot i following the guidelines of your own c.d.c. why are you 5 why aren't you wearing a mask. so. again it's a trick that works with people who are 5 minute or 5 2nd voters he has leaps of logic. that people have a hard time penetrating when they're said in a oh by someone who's a speed lawyer well i think you know as we and you alluded to it as we enter an economic dislocation that could very well rival the depression of the 1930 s. . people who engage in the permanent why which is really about. emotionally catering to the distress of

a public become increasingly effective which is why we saw demagogues arise in the 1930 s. and why we've seen want to rise out of our own failed democracy but we have to stop there thank you very much mark green that was mark green the author with ralph nader of fake president.

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