so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy on sunday shouldn't let it be an arms race based on. dramatic development only and dangerous disease i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. greetings and sell you taishan. police are losing funding stone relics of racism are toppling and voices from almost every region of the planet have cried out in unison the black lives matter but that my friends still still has not been enough to keep us law enforcement agents from pulling the trigger on black and brown folks

across this country late into the heat of the early summer night on friday june 12th atlanta police officer garrett rolfe chose to shoot and kill 27 year old rae sharp brooks for that most heinous crime of being supremely drunk and passed out in a wendy's fast food drive through or is the state president of the georgia n.w. c p reverend james wood also rightfully observed this is not the 1st time a black man has been killed for sleeping. just 48 hours later after the wendy's burned in the protesters had to add yet another name to that now growing list of lives lost to police violence the world celebrated the birthday of a legendary revolutionary ernesto shig levada who was observations on what drives a rebellion still ring true today that the true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love it is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality but the words in legacy of. isn't

the only past revolutionary whose spirit you can feel in the fabric of the protests we are witnessing today and whose birthday we celebrate this week across the country and the world from new zealand to philadelphia to posture couper's 998 anthem changes has become one of the many featured songs that have made up the soundtrack to these protests in fact changes actually jumped to the top of i tunes top 100 in early june reaching as high as the 25th spot born quite literally out of the black panther party in the 1970 s. and later becoming one of the legendary hip-hop voices representing the struggle of black america in the 1980 s. and ninety's once quoted as saying i'm not saying i'm going to rule the world or i'm going to change the world 'd but i guarantee you that i will spark the brain that will change the world and that's our job is to spark somebody else watching us as we celebrate the birthday of these 2 great revolutionary voices whose time was

cut short by assassination i think we can safely say the manifestation of their spirits live on in the fight for equality that we are witnessing today and that my friends is where we will start watching the hawks. if you want to know what's going on in the city in the streets you want to. be so you'd like to see the prices you always just stay and see drone strikes mass graves suggests least systemic deception is still a child which is always so when the job is. welcome or when watching the hawks i die roll them to and fro and joining us today to talk about the latest news on the protests in the fallout of a murder or a sharp brooks. is that. the matter black lives are in the and the legacies a 2 part of our is author and salon dot com editor at large walk ins along with him

is writer journalist and watch mark social media producer and springer thank you both for joining us today. but if you're all right here we are at the height of change and protests in the united states probably the kind not seen in this country since the 1960 s. and early seventy's and yet during all of this we have yet another killing of a black man by a police officer under ludicrous circumstances of best devon you've lived in atlanta what are your thoughts on this latest shooting. well you know lana is really my home that's where i was raised and i can't stress enough that this is not a new problem that what's happening to brooks is actually in a long line of police killings in atlanta we've had the the police killing of anthony hill alexia christian kathryn johnston oscar cain who was actually a community organizer was killed by police just last year so it's very hard as someone from atlanta to see this moment and to see so many people just now

realizing that this mythical black mecca that we're told atlanta is is actually not the case i think for those of us who lived there we've known for a while that that's not the case but i think the rest of the country is realizing that the image that. people like the mayor kesha land bottoms try to put out the world that atlanta's the state utopia for black people and we have rappers like killer mike and cia who go on t.v. calling atlanta on the i think we're seeing that sort of narrative crumble in front of our eyes and as someone who is a child in atlanta i never thought that we would have a day where the mythical black mecca of atlanta is finally coming to an end this idea of it being a perfect place and even looking at this specific case of the rashard brooks there is video of it of course it's very heartbreaking to watch but it makes this call to defund the police even more urgent because imagine if the person who came to re shards car was not a armed officer but was

a mental health professional or even was someone whose job is to get people home when they're out and they're intoxicated right there's a multitude of other options other than police that could have went to a re shard of this call to defund the police and think on a larger scale about what police do what are your thoughts on the recent shooting death of over a short. while. totally. agree with everything doesn't just sit and think that there's if it just shows the world how. i don't want to call people stupid but how stupid police offices can actually be i mean let's just let's just say that we're trying to give police officers some type of benefit which they don't deserve in a situation or in most situations but let's just let's just say here is they were trying to do that ok you stop a guy who sleep in his car right when you go up to one you pull him out the car you

guys have a conversation he gives you a taser anyone ok cool that doesn't equal murder like put all phases you have to be 25 so 1st of all if somebody a drunk person can probably tell you what it says they're from 25 feet away so the fact that you thought deadly force was the only option shows a tremendous disconnect between police officers and communities and people who know they know that if that was a white person he would be allowed right now they would book them he would process you know a little bail whatever came home and then he would have a day in court like he deserves because those are the rules but supposed to abide by in this country and it's just it's sad it's just disgusting it's like as these cars do they even have like that and then that they've been watching the news do they know the climate that we're in right now so it's just you know it's so fortunate. and i agree with you 100 percent being a member of a white sorority i have seen people who have been passed out wasted and have done some crazy things involving police officers one of my friends actually slapped

a woman and not only did she not get booked she didn't get charged with anything they just made sure that she got home ok so i'm right there with you on that when we have a question this week we're celebrating the birthday of the both shay guerrero and talk show court where hearing tupac music during the marches and we're seeing his songs chart again pretty heavily how do you think pop legacy influence today's activism. you know i think that. part of music will always always be relevant because he has so many messages that get. defunding the police and the problems that they caused now communities and how racism is used as a tool to pot the school i went to. the people who were supposed to be educating me on this tupac actually shout about the problems that exist within america in dealing with politicians and dealing with police officers. changes when doing the

introduction and there's a lot in changes i'm not going to use any profanity but i'm just going to give my abbreviated t.v. friendly version but it's cops don't care about a negro pull the trigger kill a black person he's a hero so the same thing has been going on to say they have been going on since i was so much out. much out. you know pack of the 5 irrelevant and those that energy and then able to leverage adjust and address and attack this system is the reason why so many young artist still quote that is they. when they go out to create music so he is a magical person any any you know he had magical language doesn't you know shame of our faces become an iconic image of revolution and change but but his work and legacy is more than just a picture on a t. shirt or a parade has had his legacy influence this kind of rebellion against oppression and racism as well that the same as pox or in a different way than we are saying today. oh absolutely i think that someone might

shake of air and 2 factions who are are cut from a different a different class than the rest of us right like they have inspired millions of people around the world whether i am in havana cuba or in palestine or in jamaica there's murals of these 2 individuals all over the place there's people who resonate with their message i mean especially right now in this covert pandemic the very people forget he was a physician and the reason why cuba has such a successful medical industry right now is because he works to establish a medical medical sort of industry that included people who live in rule areas black neighborhoods and the poorest neighborhoods across the island so his message was one of bringing everybody into health care everybody into a society that was more just he actually said you should shrimp bull with indignation at the sight of injustice meaning racism sexism homophobia exploitation

should literally make you so mad you're trembling and this is actually the kind of thinking that he had as he was helping to establish the cuba that there is today where there's free healthcare for everyone right and i think we can say the same about tupac sure he was raised by a danish or coeur who was one of the baddest in a good way one of the best black panthers that ever came from the black panther party is his godmother was a side issue who is in cuba right now so these 2 characters have have animated the life of movements across the world for generations and they will continue to do so . i want to quickly ask one question and i'm going to go to break but who to use a juicy figures like that coming out figures like sherry figures like to park coming out of the current movement the word that no one's talking about yet but we will be talking about 20 years from now governor b. . i think that you are i think that there are figures. that are

emerging right now and people have good reason to be suspicious of some of the figures whose messages don't align with what the masses in the streets are actually saying but i think one thing that this movement has been good about doing is not making celebrities out of people are feeling that everyone has to be the next. because if that's what you're going for that's not what you're going to be i think we will look back on history and maybe 5 or 10 years and be able to point the key individuals who did help get the police defunded who dig create change in different cities but i think right now in the moment it might be too hard to necessarily. finish up. a lot of people are. not happy with some of the bigger movements that get a lot of p.d.f. attention so they just like people are becoming. like you know something like the bigger organization. for some of the bigger figures who are. the

movement but there's a lot of people. there's a lot of underground people who are doing. community racism to make sure our students have something to look forward to when i think i think i don't know if those people ever going to get the praise they deserve in history but. couldn't agree more i want to thank you both for coming on and educating our audience today about what's currently happening and also about these 2 amazing figures. thank you so much the always a pleasure. thank you thank you. all right as we go to break remember that you can also start watching the hawks on the man through the brand new portable t.v. app which is now available on all platforms any platform you can think of you will climb portable t.v. all right everybody coming up with calls to beep on the police painted on protest signs across the country and now some cities possibly following through we examine the push to be fun with max author of take back.

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many local people see plastic surgery as a prerequisite for a successful career. most interested in a job seekers appearance as a graduation present you don't use plastic surgery for an extra in their lives to make their eyes are bigger. every teenager dreams of looking just a. deep on the police politicians and individuals on the right think it's preposterous could lead to anarchy and is an all out assault on law and order but some on the left by did it will be problematic congressional black caucus leader and house majority whip james clyburn said nobody is going to be on the police we can't

restructure police forces restructure restructure reimagined policing funny thing is that the bakley what the people in the police actually me thousands of protesters across the country have come together to demand changes in policing following the death of george floyd rianna taylor richar brooks and generations of blacks who lost their lives to overzealous bully thing the idea of defunding the police isn't new at all nor did it actually originate from black lives matter the calls of wrong outward decades especially in the nation's most over police and under-served communities. d. on the police doesn't mean eliminating all police funding it means police will not be overfunded it means redistributing city budgets the from the police means narrowing police services because police officers aren't mental health counselors they're not medical professionals they aren't education specialist most police in

calls in america are for nonviolent offenses officers are being deployed daily to address homelessness mental health episodes school disruptions and parking tickets . all things that police are not necessarily the best equipped to trying to do well maybe the parking ticket police departments budgets have exploded largely due to the war on drugs and the war on terror today police budgets swallow 50 allocations preventing funding of services that actually do reduce crime like economic development programs education services mental health and housing reports currently police departments of major cities in america are funded in the billions billions with a b. new york city near $6000000000.00 l.a. in chicago near $1800000000.00 just think of how much cities could benefit if just a fraction of those funds 20 percent were allocated to services that actually have current for vention strategies that work isn't it time we invest in the strategies

and don't leave the bodies of black dying in the streets. joining us now is maxwell author of take back the land welcome back. thank you with policing budgets in the billions and communities feel failing and pulling hard under the weight of intimate poverty and if they make racism why do you think deep on the police if such a polarizing term we're seeing a lot of hate thrown from both sides of the aisle on this one and what do you think can be done to change that narrative. well 1st i'm not sure it's from both sides of the aisle it certainly is from some democrats and some who oppose the concept would be called on the right i'm not sure most democrats would be called the left strictly speaking but with that said i think that that any time people who are oppressed want to do one of 2 things either group move or one of the tools that the

press is have available to them to maintain oppression or if they want to reimagine the society in a new way they want to think about society and do wage then those who are either the direct oppressors will who benefit from the system of oppression off feel some kind of way about people who normally are not in power thinking for themselves and reacting for themselves with that said my organization pan african community action we're really impressed and hopeful about this moment and what that calls for defunding need in terms of people of reimagining the society we're not calling for defund we're calling for community control over police not for defun the police we think that's an important distinction at this time it is an important distinction i want to ask you know because one of the big issues i always see is the mental health issues you know because like mental help it still doesn't have to homelessness programs suffer from a menace budget you know policing budgets are going to lose like they're the ones or suffer when you're poor all this money and the police america's priorities to me seem to be very misplaced what makes policing more of

a priority than homelessness and mental health even when we know that the vast majority of those arrested actually fall. into those categories of being homeless or suffering from mental health issues. well it's not really the function of police to take care of those issues it's the function of police to serve the interests of those who are in charge and to protect the wealth of those who are in charge and you can't really serve their interests or protect their wealth by taking care of people who have mental health issues or people who are poor or lifting up the lives of those who you that those wealthy people require to deliver to them cheap labor so those things have to be in place and the only way they can really be in place is to have a an active an even over active police force that's to see in the united states. and in your view what does community policing look like and how can we be implemented effectively we see that there are very different comments from various

different places about community policing and what it actually looks like on the ground what do you think is actually affecting community policing and where some of the areas where currently having trouble. so just so it's clear we're not advocating community policing we're advocating come unity control over police for us the important distinction in the importance. of the center of this moment is not relatively speaking how much the police get if they get to 50 percent of the budget of 40 percent of the budget and 30 percent of the budget the real question for for us is who is in charge with the police responding to what's happening now when you're seeing why people. call the police when they see any kind of what they think of as a transgression from a black person and effectively using the police as their own personal force the police are coming and they are enforcing that these people who we're seeing on social media in these viral videos they didn't just come up with these ideas on themselves this is the 1st time they thought of it they've been raised they've had

years and years of this experience at the police is their way of controlling poor black people and poor brown people that's their experience in life it's not this to learning it us or seeing this on on you tube so the real question for us is not how much funding does the police get although that is a real question the real question for us is who is the police actually working for and we want the police to be working for low income black communities that we can determine how they respond to situations in our community and really protect us rather than focusing on protecting the interests of the well let me ask you with a show here is our the issue is not marginal amounts of funding you know i think you bring up some great points that i can agree to more labor but i couldn't agree more let me ask you this would it help if you saw more police or you know law enforcement i guess whatever more call it come from the communities that they are supposed to be protecting and serving. i think if that would work then we would

see in other words if there were more black police and that would solve some of these problems if that were an actual thing that what we would see is wherever there were black police in majority white neighborhoods there would be instances of police brutality of black police against white police but the the key factor is not the race of the police the key factor is who everyone knows without even having to overly say it with the police work for if you were to get a black police officer who in his bones hated white people he still would not brutalize the white women and white men because he knew he couldn't get away with it and at the same way if you have a black police officer who doesn't hate black people but is working in a police department that is responsible for containing low income black communities then that black officer either has to actively participate in the brutalization of black people who supposedly doesn't 8 or he has to look the other way as the

brutalization takes place right in front of his eyes we're seeing that happen all of the time so in that respect the real issue here is of the real question is who's in charge who's in power and we're sorting that during this moment in history this is our opportunity to shift power and to have a security force a safety force that actually works for the communities that they're in and that in that way doesn't really matter what color the police are if they know that by putting their hands on black people they're going to face the consequences then they would not put their hands up like exactly exactly delphine does the piece you just spoke about also include things like that that if it were me boy or thing more and more 30 that are are going to have those now and a kicker point is really high do you think that that would actually be effective. so reviewing someone else who is in power is one thing so if someone has the power and that i'm granted the ability to look over their shoulder. or or to review what they're doing that's one thing but that's not what we're asking for here we're

saying that we shouldn't just be granted the op to look over someone's shoulder and review what they're doing we should be telling them what to do and when they're not doing what we're saying they should do then we should have the ability to remove them so we're not talking about review at this point if we were to secure community control over police then review boards will be superfluous they'll just be extra they'll be just a review on top of power so there's no review board inside of the police department the police chief doesn't get a review board because the police chiefs in charge and the police department is in charge of itself so what we're really really looking for is power and there's a growing movement to secure community control of police in addition to our local organization and african community actually we also have the national association against racism political repression i was just started in the 1900 region launched as a national network and the primary campaign of that network is to have community control

over the police all across the united states i mean i can say i got to say thank you so much for coming on and educating our viewers on what that looks like that community controlled place once again max rameau author of type back the land thank you so much for joining us today sir truly a pleasure having you on. thank you. ma'am there's a lot of interesting ideas floating out there absolutely i mean i wasn't necessarily a familiar with the community out process that he was speaking of either the part about community policing but what he's describing is something entirely different and it's interesting taking the power back to him bringing him back into the community was aware this was that's that's powerful interesting interesting dynamics that plays out absolutely all right everybody that is our show for you today remember in this world we are not told that we are loved up so i tell you all of that robot and i'm a keep watching all those hawks out there never great day and night in.

some control from middle class to homeless of a night most some are very hardworking people who want to get ahead that have either have some some health issues or have some of how this trick about luck a full time job won't always pay for a place to live and missing just a month's rent can get you a victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. you better catch up real quick or you're going to have a judgment a possession against you and get a ticket by anyone that's homeless is history like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the time it's not the case see how it is to be paul in the world's richest country.

in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage 3 cups of mills an island that was coordinated loyalist attacks on the population tens of were forced to flee their homes and what was striking to put these attacks was a p.r. you see the police. actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of full streets in belfast at the take more than a 100 innocent civilians were unloaded as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and of the currents which the inclusion was involved in some of those cases the killers would later be named into the now we're getting i think it went to the very very top i think it the focus for all the water where all the taste since you thought was going on and gave the go ahead.

welcoming our viewers from around the world to live from central london this is our 2 u.k. . the u.k. government you turns to provide disadvantaged peoples with free meals during the summer holidays after a campaign led by footballer marcus rochefort we hear from the government advisor. to. the u.k. government also says a review into the 2 metre social distancing rule will be completed in weeks a world health organization funded study suggests it's only slightly more effective than one meter but other scientists suggest flaws in the research are we talking to a senior associate at the university of oxford. research reveals mandatory face coverings in public places as well as test and trace could prevent more than 50000 coronavirus deaths in the u.k. we get the reaction of a scientist behind the study. and london's statues of blue

plaques will be reviewed after weeks of black lives matter protests on the topic of some slave trade memorials we hear from a welsh bishop wanting to remove the statue of another colonialist. the u.k. government confirmed it will give free school meals vouchers to people straus on the holidays it follows a campaign by munched united footballer marcus rochefort to extend the scheme which was initially dismissed by the prime minister well for more on this i'm not sure but our to you case. hello there isa so what's been happening. well the government have essentially performed a u. turn on the question of free meal vouchers for the summer for children who are of course and not at school now we know throughout this coded 1000 crisis schools have

been closed and as a result of that the number of children who have to remain at home where normally that would be getting the caps that breakfast or the lunches school or at summer clubs or other kind of support networks that bad now falling on families and there are hundreds of thousands of families across the country perhaps the most vulnerable and poor who are now struggling to afford those extra meals and the campaign launched by the manchester united in england striker marcus russia has really brought this into the front front stage really into the fore foreground and so many politicians putting pressure on the government to reverse their decision to change this policy of ending those vouchers that was in stubbornness by the government but of benchley they did perform that u. turn and it's led the leader of the opposition to started to say that the government's decision is merely a destruction for a lot of failures the economy contracted by 20 percent in april. and we could be on

the verge of a return to musson employment something we've not seen for a generation. we've also one of the highest death tolls from private pointing in the world at least $41700.00 deaths and likely to be far greater than that. and in the last hour the government has used and on frisco mayors cannot put on record my thanks to marcus rush. played on this issue with the fake tree from a bomb point 3000000 children affected. mr speaker this statement is intended to deflect attention from all of that and can i assure the prime minister it will not work. now mr rushford who's raised more than 20000000 for this campaign took to twitter to show his delight that the government had performed at this you 10 saying this is what we can do says he but everybody coming together the

government themselves now having put forward an extra $120000000.00 pounds for this project a similar scheme already in place in wales and scottish 1st minister nicolas sturgeon saying that scotland too would be rolling this out and it's not just across the political spectrum even conservative party m.p.'s taking that to mr rush that side is supporting him which is probably what caused the government to make that u. turn but this isn't the 1st a recent change in government policy in the face of pressure is it. no we've seen the government make a number of u. turns already in particular with regards to the handling of the coded crisis the 1st of those is with regards to the n.h.s. charge which is payable by non workers living here in particular those who work for the n.h.s. after really attention brought to the contribution they've made to helping the country throughout this crisis the government now saying nani you and i just

workers don't have to pay that surcharge also facemasks initially the government were hesitant for people to wear them they've now decided that people will wear those all in public transport with testing the government tried to blow the lies between the number of tests done and what they call test capacity do very different numbers again having to perform a u. turn and also with regard to how they count the number of deaths previously the government really counting deaths taking place in a hospital after a positive coded $900.00 test now they also include deaths which is taking place in cat homes as well which means that the number of those who have died in the united kingdom after testing positive for coated 90 significant the higher than initially thought. thank you very much and they were far more on the government's mail that year 7 are joined by government advisor had in his say to them thank you for

joining us this is a welcome change of direction from the government i welcome you to what a thing is taken so long. i seem to have lost the order with today we were trying him and that little bit later let's try one more time should and can you hear me i can i love you yes if i could just come back to repeat my question that this is a welcome change i welcome you to and from the government but why has it taken so long for them to reverse their policy about that has. well i think it's just simply the pressure that's been applied through the masses and and you know credit you to map rushford for the amazing work that he's done and him speaking so openly about his own lived experience coming from a family background i think it's just very simple that you know the government has avoided many responsibilities for these called the situation in many vulnerable

children and families have been impacted by this and this is something that will make a massive difference to millions of children across the country well this game will help over a 1000000 children but many more are living in poverty and that they won't be helped will they. know and i've seen 1st hand catering called need you know both food and digital team in ajdabiya and brought it in some wards in our area up to 50 percent of children live in poverty we've seen how dependent those families are on the schools and the school meals and the schools have done a fantastic job of trying to support these families who called it in a many will very fearful about the impact that the summer holidays will have an unlikely as we know that you know the ramifications of a poor diet neglect abuse can need to children going into care and this is a real fear for us in the sector that there's a very real chance that come the september return to school you know we could see a sizable number of children suddenly entering care simply because of these factors to do with neglect and it is. a short term fix that the government is applied here

but hopefully it will have a long term impact on supporting families that have numbers that should i mean could this this new change this here turn actually keep children out of the care system. oh absolutely i mean you know what we've got to bear in mind is something that around 60 to 70 percent of children who go into care is due to abuse or neglect and often we we think about the worst for me think about this neglect but often the underlying reasons could be that a parent is going through some emotional stress in may of lost their job the mere loss where we know that an additional 600000 people have joined the jobless list this is simply going to have an impact on the ability of families to support their children and when we're talking about children from low income areas families are already living on the breadline very reliant upon benefits and other sorts of all they propose a high risk of additional pressure to an already broken social care system so this

is something that is very welcome and alongside this we hope that the government will be able to support honorable families and schools even more so because they sed short term investment will have a massive long term in bottom if you imagine the average cost of keeping a child in care is anywhere between $60.00 to $60000.00 pounds a year and that could run on for many years kate so it's certainly a wise investment to make in the future prosperity of low income families and to support a social welfare state as well today very briefly here 9 a final question has the overnighted outbreak exposed the cracks and how we help at risk children. well i mean the reality has been that there's a few campaigns i've been involved in person is one example is the internet campaign in my local area here i've seen that up to a 3rd of children in my local primary school my daughter attends to have internet access so while he speak about the internet being the you know the the future

and the revolution of connecting people subtly in this case has been that divided so many of those children who are being a whole not being able to complete their school work so this isn't exaggerated the divide between pouring compan leigh's and middle income families where their education has been further impacted and this will have a major impact for many years to come so we do hope that alongside this additional support for the food vultures there's also consideration given to how we will support to close the gap between the educational attainment of low income children and what to be done should aim her same thank you very much thank you kate. or meanwhile the u.k. government has also confirmed that review of the coronavirus to meet a social distancing rule is to be completed in the coming weeks so is the beginning

of the out right the government has advised the public to keep it to meet a social distance between them to prevent the spread of the disease but critics now claim it's impossible to maintain following the opening of non-essential shops and next month's planned opening of pubs and restaurants other countries including france and singapore have followed a one meter distancing role in parliament on monday health minister edward august said the review will follow the science. reality of this is that there is not a fixed science about this there continues to be a scientific debate about what is the most effective distance and the report of the reasons for example that we have the to me to distance in place at present is because the scientific evidence through sage is that for example a reduction of distance from 2 meter to one meter would carry somewhere between $8.00 to $10.00 fold increased risk of transmission that is why we have the guidance in place that we do but we are very clear that this review will give us the basis to make considered decisions on the most appropriate way forward in

striking the balance between public health and economic impact when it comes during a study funded by the world health organization which looked into the science behind social distancing regulations it found that under the 2 me to rule the average person has a 1.3 percent chance of catching the virus but if this rule is half to one meter the chance of catching the virus only marginally increases by just over one percent it means that under a one meter rule a few years and 3 in 100 people would catch it 19 however some scientists have hit out at the study claiming it ignores certain key facts says professor ben counting from the university of hong kong is one of them and joined me earlier he thinks the w.h.o. may be missing the point. physical distancing is really important but you have to recognize the idea the reason for doing it is to avoid crowding let's not have too many people who are together in a small space in a confined space because that is when transition can occur what we've seen some

pictures of people queuing up to go shopping some people have been killed with the distances between them others are being sort of crowded on top of one another will these kind of instances make a difference. yeah i mean if it's outdoors i don't think it's a big issue if it's indoor and there's a lot of people close together for a prolonged period of time i think that's when the risk is going to get a little bit higher and that's what we need to watch out for and also we've seen people protesting as well and other people saying that this will make a difference you're saying the outdoors then it perhaps won't. outdoor certainly the risk is lower i think again if people are really crowded together staying together for a long time that could be in a protest where there's a lot of people really bunched up that could be a risk in the park with a lot of space between people i really think the limited very very very low risk when it seems likely that they'll be a political decision on this but to reduce the distance is effectively based on economic considerations isn't it yeah i mean all the time when we're thinking about

what public health measures to tell you we also need to bear in mind the economics and social impact of the measures that we're thinking about and those are also important also that this consideration comes comes into play if we're talking about schools as well it's a big debate so is it possible then based on the fact that we can narrow those distances that we can effectively see more pupils going back to school yeah i think that's one of the consequences of reducing the spacing requirements in schools it's going to be really difficult to maintain physical distancing though i think it's really good news for us that coded 19 does not spread as well in children as many other risk factors like the flu there's also the fact that if you're going to be opening up pubs and restaurants particularly and also as we know where alcohol is involved it's also a question of how do you enforce those things isn't it. it's going to be difficult i think now is really good that if the sun up so people can spend more time outdoors i think outdoors is a really good place to be. if there's covert around. but i wasn't

a slight professor tom jefferson of oxford university believe there's no evidence to support the teammates who rule and he joins me now to discuss that. professor thank you very much for joining us the 2 major role does require to so much of the team mate a role does reduce the risk of transmission if only a little so why would you change it now. we didn't look to me to we looked at the evidence and distancing him specifically sauce and the handful of studies that. the review which been published in the lancet and included in the current 19. there is really very little evidence on. precise measurements of distance and. the only 2 studies that actually measured distance where did not relate to go to 19 there were studies. and it was one metre or one meter or more so uncertainty reigns which is what

really science is about but surely isn't it better to err on the side of caution i mean even if one meter is the patient why take the chance and also people are so used to the idea of to make this let them go along with what they already know because they're obviously they tend to underestimate the the about of space anyway don't they. we must on the side of caution. box if you look if you're asking me about the evidence. what we've what we explained is that there is no evidence at 2 metres wide 2 metres what mine not 1.8 why not 2 point one or 2 point too. this is a political economic message that has been put across and that's ok but the we're just pointing out that the evidence for that is simply

non-existent for the point of the 2 metre rule initially from what we gather from what the government told us was to stop the gathering of large crowds but as people now it seems are respecting any distance or some people and how do we enforce even one meter or any distance. enforcement is not full a doctor like me to think about is something which the police will authorities i don't know anything about enforcement and i don't really have care much about one meter 02 meters or 3 meters and what we're doing is we're pointing out to the evidence for a specific measure is simply not there other than 2 single studies which were quite old studies and their respective in the sense that they were they were the study was written after the event and they're asking people to remember what went on during the event and this is a very. low level science unfortunately because it's prone to bias rico bias i

think is that profess that the government has to have something to say to people that they say that for if we're going to come up with a rule that people can abide by would you like to see the rule which is to say one meter or even scrap and then it all together what would you advise people today. i would advise people to prepare for the unknown but that is for all diseases and especially for viral diseases and the one thing we do know works across the board is handwashing and that is for all disease infectious diseases not just viral disease so for instance that is something which can count on quite easily or can't can be suggested in schools especially in our young markets are as with our young age. it's very bold not that the evidence is considered

when rules are made if it is a political decision that to me to rule is in force that's fine that that is they were trying to get elected politicians are is their decision. that only thank you very much professor jeff a center. most of the dog there as well thank you very much indeed. still to come this hour. to govern is our. compulsory face coverings in public places as well as test and trace could prevent thousands of coronavirus deaths in the u.k. research reveals when we hear from the scientists behind the study. and the heritage charity launches a review of london structures and memorials following weeks of protests we hear from a welsh bishop pushing for the removal of a statue of another colonialist. so

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press briefing or is johnson said enough of the drug would be installed if britain hit a 2nd peak. i am proud of these reduce our interests backed by u.k. government funding to lead the 1st rebuffed clinical trial anywhere in the world to find a coronavirus treatment proven to reduce the risk of death and i'm very grateful to the thousands of patients in this country who volunteered for the for the trials thank you this drug dix methods can now be made available across the n.h.s. and we've taken steps to ensure we have enough supplies even in the event of a 2nd peak well research as in the u.k. had previously highlighted the potential benefits of the commonly available steroids drug dexamethasone it's claimed it could reduce the death rate among

patients on a ventilator by a 3rd scientists believe it could have saved up to 5000 lives had it been used earlier the drug will not be available in n.h.s. hospitals and england's chief medical officer has labelled it as the most important trial result of coronavirus so far. but in the meantime research claims mandatory face coverings in public places and effective test and tracing could prevent thousands of coronavirus deaths in the u.k. well study conducted by a number of universities including university college london suggest the measures could save over $50000.00 lives over 2 years just amidst this tragedy would cost the economy approximately $8000000000.00 per nose and it could save $700000000000.00 pounds worth of g.d.p. over the next 2 years where currently face coverings are only mandatory in england on public transport and hospitals while the government's test and trace system has

been inundated with problems including figures which showed a 3rd of those who tested positive didn't pass on details of their recent contacts . well scientists behind the study dr tim colborne told me that there is now a broad range of scientific evidence proving face coverings are effective where assuming that cope with 19 is still a deadly disease and many people will die if it's left unchecked so we looked at a range of different strategies including face coverings and various different strategies for testing tracing in isolation and we find that very strategies can actually get on top of the epidemic without the need for additional lockdowns scale that quickly and prevent they associated mortality the $50000.00 figure in terms of life saves comes against neural tentative without face coverings or any test tracing nicely at all and it seems that there will then be additional locked down to berber and even more people dying but $50000.00 people still die because the

dish will lockdowns will not be able to get on top of the epidemic as quickly as the testing tracing in isolation can when also weighed it with scribblings so i want you think the government refused to consider a mosque until recently and i just get it's got started on contact tracing. so there were good questions and no really questions for the government there was a lot of debate about various coverings initially. when really we should just go on and use them we can see from east asia income countries who have successfully used them even countries closer to home in europe like turkey have widespread use of various coverings of controlled coded much better than we have in the u.k. and i think there is a school price to pay really considering the benefits and to be honest i don't know why they were debated so long there's now a whole lot of scientific evidence that supports their use.

historic buildings charity english heritage is set to conduct a long and wide review into diversity in public spaces including statues and blueprint memorials blanks with what they consider problematic connections will have more detail descriptions of the figures they are good and bad that comes after black lives matter protesters tore down a statue of slave trade it would cost to restore a rabbit milligan's was removed in london with many more targeted english heritage said it wanted to ensure that both sides of controversial figures are represented. we need to ensure that the actions and legacies of those commemorated are told in full statues can offend but we cannot support deliberate damage to historic monuments we believe that the best course of action is to divide as much information as possible about these monuments their history and the context in which they were directed and encourage debate and reflection on the sometimes painful issues they raise but in the meantime a welsh bishop has requested that the statue of explorer henry morton stanley is

removed from denby town center in wales he spoke to r.t. u.k. about why the colonialists is such a controversial figure. people who've supported memory love the story of his exploring his most famous event roles when he met one found the great missionary dr david livingstone and there was that great meeting near the victoria falls where stanley said our dr livingstone i presume the difficulty was that like many colonialists at the time he really abused his power and subject at the africans took quite a bad level of mistreatment his legacy is controversial there are those that say he was ahead of his time but he was implicated in these subjugation of the congo by king leopold the 2nd of the belgians was and they

were taking issue with the statues removal claiming it's rewriting history the demonstrators showing up to protest to protect such monuments the reverend cameron said that although figures like stanley have good and bad they don't align with 21st century values and should be consigned to history. he was absolutely a product of his time and most historical figures are a mixture of good and bad the values of the trench the 1st century a very different to the values of the 19th fundamentally the message of black lives maps are is one that of which we have to take stock in the present contacts so you wouldn't have thousands of people out on the streets in unless they felt that there was an injustice here and alls of a colonial past of an imperial history perhaps not the sort of thing that we should be celebrating i'll be back with more news in just over half an hour.

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