against people from african descent after the murder of george floyd by u.s. security forces all amid the coronavirus pandemic just proportionally killing people of color coming up on the show as the united states enters its 4th week of protest after the death of another black man ray shot brooks at the hands of the police we ask a man described by dole trump as a great voice in the black community about being summoned to the white house before his president's executive order for police reform plus as all black lives matter is painted on hollywood boulevard and actor activist and time magazine's person of the rose mcgowan about the culture of american exceptionalism and why this program has reportedly been targeted across the united states but its coverage of george floyd all of them all coming up in today's going underground but 1st to the continuing protests in the united states that started in the wake of the murder of george floyd but have now spread around the world of seemingly come to represent the pushback against systemic inequality on a global scale or at least that's what our guest on monday's show legend react to

his angela davis thought you can find that interview in a huge of china but not everyone sees it that way and one of those people has the ear of u.s. president all trump joining me now via skype from baltimore in the united states is the host of a podcast described by dole trump as a phenomena when you pray who took part in a roundtable of like leaders hosted by the president in the past few days thank you so much wayne for coming on so he signed an executive order what did you tell donald trump when you met him be able to look at the white house channel to see you sitting next to the president where you know what and thank you for having me on your show this morning and. i'm very honored. i really want to ear for me. and i also know that my family wanted more action from him within the community if there's one thing that i notice ever since that i've been alive. when president term ran in 2000 and in 2016 is that

he talked to minorities he talked on as they were people he'd talk over them and he basically said what you know just i mean what do you have to lose then he walked into the community with dr ben carson i've now let's i never see any republican presidential candidate walk in the community in the choice under streets of detroit just walking down the streets now and that alone should show that he's a different type of person. to get things done in iraq i really wish. well he would do it on a more regular basis because if if i know one thing about the black community is that they know when they see

a genuine person and they know when they are made there's not jane they support president trump they would offend president trump when people start talking about barack obama or things that are happening in the country but what do you make i mean you said that he took a walk there what do you make of the television networks who make no secret of the fact they appear to support joe biden in november saying he's a photo of president we saw what he did in washington when he walked to that church in hell that bible up maybe the wrong way but you know what he they turned they turned the tide they'd they didn't like him. they used him in 2016 for ratings as much as they could but he upset the applecart he upset the establishment in that's why i told him i was like you can't forget the people that voted for you is preciously with minorities and believe me a lot of minorities they want to be heard and if you don't connect with them on

a regular basis on a regular i know prison drawbars is busy with world world issues and everything i get what you can't forgive the people that got you in going into a community and and talking to sort of people on the street ok but the executive order he signed does not defund the police one of the central aims of black lives matter when you are away when you talk to trump i mean these are state police forces that we've seen deal with protesters not really to do it donald trump to donald trump a shares with some of the protests as a dislike of law enforcement he said he said quite a bit about federal law enforcement. this isn't he if there's nothing that we've seen about him foot for the people who are straight. in a long narrow way and the large when it comes sense individuals they know the president is a compassionate president now yes he hits back hard of people here at him but but

he has compassion about the american people now and i'm sure that when he sees those things happen on t.v. i'm sure that he it hits him in a certain way but you can't get rid of law and order i mean he weighed in on being a law and order president you can i mean he backs a police from day one he he backs but yes there are some bad apples now what about bad apples we just had compassionate i mean that he said dominate the protesters as we were watching on our television screens. come on now i mean they were hurt in secret service people i mean. they i mean some you can't walk out there with apple pie and so police is raise if they're hurt in. secret service agents and step aside or white out. you know you so i mean what so i didn't criticize any of the state police forces actually under the governance of democrats

every state does what i mean he the president of the united states he did only offer suggestions for states the states are going to do whatever he want to do i mean i mean look he also told them to reopen up. their state and our democratic. governors right now are growing up just yet so whatever the president says is up to the governors of those states is a ok we agree or we don't agree we're going to do it our way i mean you take a nuanced position arguably we invite candice owens on the right wing commentator you've been very clear that you have been dead against any kind of victim blaming i say in the cases of george floyd or dobry. candice but there are many times when he tweets. maybe you know maybe i shouldn't have done it but.

i'm glad that i was able to go to right house to talk to him about it because i was like listen the direction that can this is going or the direction that that that that that argument is going is not going to help you with minorities. election time did he express press ration with you when you were at the white house in the past few days about why there's always joe biden that seems to come off well out of these protests i mean he tweeted sleepy joe biden's 9094 crime bill was a total disaster it was mass incarceration for black people that doesn't seem to be getting through to me there internationally let alone where you are is not going to it's not going to the media and the establishment the political establishment is still angry that the american people didn't follow their instructions to does 16 and vote for hillary clinton there's still that angry that the american people for

once in a whole generation a light on it decided they were going to pick whoever they wanted ok so ever and so i'm i'm sort of going to you brought that up because so many people don't think about what. people overseas see from our media you know they just live in our bubble and you know whatever whatever what i'm always worried about what is broadcast it out because our media has been well i mean it doesn't tell the truth about a whole lot of things that happen in this country. and where you expect us to trust our institutions here in this country artists to shield law. you know our institutions lied to us and many americans know that so that's why we go out we start looking for other sources you mention our media but there's other sources out

there that we can finally use to get the truth about certain things they don't like president drop you talk and 92 percent negativity of reporting since 206092 percent who does that forward a leader and and and then they come out and then they said it he's addicted you're going to give the president a united states 92 percent negativity push up the other guy they pushed up hillary clinton they put up hillary clinton said that she was up double digits like that like joe biden is right now anderson joe biden is up 40 points they said hillary clinton was up double digits. a couple weeks before the election and she lost do you think trump understands that say an entrepreneur a black entrepreneur you're going to be treated differently when you're getting a loan from the local bank some people have said that the police in your country are basically bureaucrats with weapons exercising the endemic racism in your

country. isn't that the point which is why the defunding element which wasn't mentioned in the executive order is so crucial. i think i think the issue is on both sides were were gart in representing the police. and the people within the community. and i topers in trouble when i was in the white house i was like listen . this movie wall because there is a blue wall with police departments with police. and they take is almost like the military or something happens with the person on your level person on your right you supposed to have them back because you're in a wartime situation when it comes to being out on a street dealer of criminals who have some sometimes have better guns and better equipped than what you are i understand the police have to watch each

other's back but they have to be accountable and if you get rid of the blue wall and the only way you can do that is from the top down and and i'm sure president truck understands that but then again there's only so much you can do as president so. the states are going to do whatever if you watch what's happening up there washington right now he can only say what he what he wants and and you know he said to if you don't change these things where you know i'm going to have to move to military news because i can't have an lawlessness taking over the town now. there there are ways that he can get the national guard in there but but to get back to send already then look i've got to ask you given that you were with trump in the past few days and it may sound a ridiculous question but intelligence agencies have already been maneuvering

arguably any evidence to suggest trump's a russian spy when he went to the white house are you serious no. no and again that's our media in this they ran that story for like 2 what 2 and a half years and then when everything broke out then it turned into. the impeachment thing if the media knows what they're doing when they try to tear down . some moneys reputation and they and they've been very good at just your in summation great credibility in leaving them for nothing but real quick we got to get rid of blue or we got to get rid of blue are within the police community and hope policemen accountable for their actions if you hurt somebody to kill somebody you have to be a held accountable for that but then on the other side in the community we have to learn to trust police and also turn in criminals not be afraid so

that so that and also start respecting law so you mean you send in the militarized police the national guard to the capitol hill to one of his own in seattle or jazz. chat chat chat chat chat is 100 percent unlawful you know ok i mean. well we can have it we can have it in this country in i mean if it was up there i'd be turnin jazz out of town you know paris communes in no washington state and way too bright thank you. after the break why would this program going underground to be singled out over george floyd's mudda for a us department of homeland security bulletin distributed to all law enforcement across the united states are going to a.b.c. and fox news we speak to a catalyst for the me to move much rose mcgowan about exceptionalism and revolution

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a successful career employers are often most interested in the job seekers appearance as a graduation present parents often give daughters plastic surgery for an extra fold in the eyelids to make their eyes look into. almost every community and judge dreams of looking just makes it a call finals. welcome back according to disney and a.b.c. news which says it received a leaked intelligence bulletin from the us department of homeland security the us military industrial complex is not happy with going underground and its coverage of the global uprisings that have followed the murder of george floyd in minneapolis a.b.c. news said the intelligence bulletin cited going underground on our team is applauding americans for being justified in rioting against the corrupt american capitalist system well for more we're joined from an undisclosed location by rose mcgowan one

of time magazine's persons of the year and author of the new york times bestseller brave she's a catalyst for the me too movement her latest artistic endeavor is the album planet 9 thanks so much for coming back on the show rosa before we get to mass uprisings across the u.s. you tweeted about being on the line actor you said these actors criticize the u.s. as hypocritical corrupt and undemocratic racist guilty of human rights and you said you were proud to be one of the bad actors tell me why. what i would estimate is probably about 52 percent of the people on the planet if not more think of the united states this be. the way they think they're being portrayed by r.t. another bad act out there doing it on our own i'm not really sure why they need setting it been doing this for a long long time it's kind of part of this strange self-delusion amassed illusion of american perception around the world and you of course when you came and talked

about your book brave talk about being a former member of a cult you actually think there are some parallels between the united states and the cult oh i know there are i was introduced to america at orderings for a military school and yes 10 and what i surmise from a very early age is people telling me how strange it was how i grew up and seen that i countered i find it very strange how you live which to me means you're living in a class structure and there oppressive system that operates exactly like a cult specifically with america were number one don't repeat here it's scary out there the new is that it's so controlled and shown there that never shows anything around the world other than migrates for people trying to break in the united states take what we have you know it does the huge disservice the american public that also does a huge disservice a world who is cult like way of thinking 1000000 nice mash what's going on right there and america right now incredibly well from wherever you are now i know you

don't only watch id if you watch any of the stations anywhere in the world really they've been covering the mass uprisings what has it been like for you to watch the violence all around the united states well i think it is that's the whole thing with journalism we just couches violence it's not just violence all of the united states it's an uprising it's a we're not going to take is any more because every single time only hopes and prayers. can actually stop that's not what's needed is action what is needed is civil disobedience and civil revolution at the end of the day because if nobody's listening if the cult leaders aren't listening you have to make listen in the co-leaders of america to be trumpeting the obama could be anybody is it's all the same under that like structure and it feels weird not participating in it it feels strange and against my nature finally. i'm doing a lot of things behind the scenes and i think right now it's

a great leveller people have the mike and i'm watching them with great pride and all my strength and energy is being sent to them whether they make you feel when you saw joe biden. talking at the funeral of george floyd some on the right of you see accusing the democrats of co-opting black lives matter i think the democrats pretty much co-opt anything it's kind of they're saying you know you could see it witnessed with joe biden co-opting me till until it became politically inconvenient since he was accused of sexual assault a topic not really in the news headlines in the media right now arguably now arguably because there's other things going on but it is of you know something that's real and it is out there and it needs to be examined but it won't be by american media and what you see in america you get from america with a world a slew merica what i get from it when there is a direct result of that media manipulation political manipulation in hollywood that

all goes together b. you don't think journalism meda educated evidence mase decision the donald trump the evidence shows he is a sexual predator and the joe biden isn't in the same league is that what they've date basically designed it well i think it's convenience at that point isn't it and who's to say levels of predation what's worse if you destroy one person's life versus sondra you know what's what's a life force and me. seriously can't get anybody better than an old ventriloquist dummy with botox me joe biden c'mon now well obviously joe biden denies or any of the accusations befalling might even even with joe biden how he fights for the black vote or to get the black vote but doesn't seem to do much in return and he touts his you know skills as working across the aisles republicans and democrats working together well i would say and submit gentle men but if you've gotten this

far and this is what we're seeing on the streets today that this is what the men in power protestant and the women are support structure i would say sit down you can do better that you need to do better if you can't you need to move aside because the time is now we need revolution or having a revolution now i see new york times headlines for real it are just go back to normal it was and that's not how it works not this time i really on the mentally feel like this one is different and. this is again a sign of a cult that hollywood which hollywood boulevard had all black lives matter is it is another sign of a cult that they've forgotten by the connections to segregation and mass incarceration i don't think that's a cult like way of thinking on the part of hollywood and others i think that's just not even being aware you know they're aware of optics and how things appear to other people we see think they are mad kind of people the red hat people that make america great again people live some reason they can really see the truth value it

but a lot of other people on the liberal side can't but it does operate like a cult but in this instance i think hollywood's always been very good at knowing asses on a certain base and i and i do believe there are good people there and i do believe there are people that want difference and i but it is extremely politically convenient for them to forget. and also like why what's so great about it like that you cannot come up with a better candidate is pretty pathetic and i think it just shows. you know the cult like power structure wanting to hold on to the status quo like nobody's business but what would you say to someone thinking of voting for him in november it's really our people are going to do what they want to do i cannot endorse i can't be involved in it i think you know it shouldn't be between 2 people that was alleged sexual assaults in our history it we can do better you know we are better not right now maybe in the future we need to be or i think it's going to be over pretty much for. society chapels and it can't keep going this way it's

a system and we see it broken everywhere we see every day now the american healthcare system the shown for what it is that it can't bear it that it was never the best in the world same thing with its policies in saying with spreading us democracy it's not real democracy is not what democracy is and i don't know if people are forgotten it or maybe they just never know but i don't think it's real and i think you know what's going on right now with wave are all of the wonderful people rising up and fighting for a native american and he certainly had genocide committed against them in their culture so the white house can be built off the back of slaves i mean if you look at the time i of it and then you expect these people to pledge allegiance to the flag well the flag is that a flag of terror a flag that triggers a flag that gives them p.t.s.d. it has to be better or i think it will be brought to its knees while of course you were born in italy where florence talking about native americans that one of your

countrymen a statue columbus christopher columbus what's it felt like a watching a columbus statues either be torn down or vandalize from san francisco to houston to a philadelphia well i have to say the beheading of columbus in boston was very i was quite sad as it to get that sort you know other thing as you can't deny on one hand a person did achieve great things but at such great cost it's a great thing. you know and i think it's ok and i think it's ok to not celebrate people that hurt others it's ok to not vote for people that hurt others it's ok not to care for people who hurt others and he heard a lot of people and it's spreading the message the myth of our essentially well up until you moved i don't know whether it's temporary or you've been living in britain surprise that britain maybe was the 1st country following the george floyd horrific murder do down a statue of

a slave trader here in bristol surprised by the british response i am not surprised at the british response i've met so many amazing brits over there in living over there and they know that they actually care about what happens in the world and that a lot of us you know that rise up see this world without borders so yes there are britons rising up with the rising up on behalf of there's a will humans are rising up and say no more and we can hear their voices are all the way across the ocean and i stand with him and i and i just i think they're wonderful well we heard in the 1st part from a trump advisor on black issues he was invited to the white house in the past few days do you think trump will be able to respond to what's happening to preempt any revolution well i think he's a catalyst for the revolution so i don't know that there's something to stop it you know but the revolution has been a long time in coming even start all of this he just tripled down you know he

didn't start with the kids in the cages the immigrant kids in the cages obama did trump just trickle down you know i mean that's how this is going so i don't know what's going to happen i do see. that there isn't enough sage to burn in the world to cleanse the white house after all the years and years of toxicity and evil that live there i think it's time to start over but we're not going to see any culture reflect these kinds of perspectives or it's just going to continue to you billy genuflect for obama because you're criticizing obama but obama you believe is seen by those in culture as the great hero of american democracy i think it's in merican democracy hasn't really worked that well the trickle down economic theory isn't work that well you know those republicans that put their you know adopted and kept in mind though democrats now i think the word culture contains or a cult and that can be on the left and that can be on the right now if you listen to the new york times years ago really everyone seems to think hillary was going

away and just finally then you know we see survive coronavirus where where you are so far d.c. coronavirus global pandemics let alone movements like black lives matter the context of any cultural reset it is a cultural reset but it has been a cultural we set for a long time for a lot of people it's just you know it's almost like when the more mainstream and segment of society is like oh oh this is racism oh this is that is them it was my working goal and you know a term i coined as that was you not me to a catalyst or that was a cultural reset and that's what's going on now pressing a hand on a big stop button and saying time out we're going to do this differently otherwise we're going to pair perish we have to you have to be better you know what we owe it to the planet is what else are we doing right now or in saying you might as well be better get your thoughts in order get your spiritual house in order in fight fight

for others that's the most important thing reza again thank you. that's it for the show will be back on saturday 30 years to the day plenty of hot activists in south african president nelson mandela arrived in new york city the tour the u.s. having spent 27 years behind bars but still subject to being spied on by the f.b.i. as his body the african national congress with a designated terrorist organization and tell them to join the underground youth out but if your grandchildren face. the deepest republic of just a non-conformist utopia or a politically correct. nonetheless the experiment being played out in seattle is no laughing matter the ideas of law and order and the legitimate use of force are at stake a piece of advice go visit jobs visits you. the

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