catch the ball to. drop no as to what. point should your 1st perhaps. hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle speaking to west point graduates trump said we're ending the air of endless wars 40 years ago on the campaign trail he said the same thing why is it so difficult for this president to make good on this promise why make the promise again if it can't be kept.

to cross off endless war i'm joined by my guest james to address and watched and he's a retired u.s. diplomat and former foreign policy advisor to the u.s. senate republican leadership and you new york we have lighter he is a professor emeritus of political science at rector's university as well as an adjunct senior research analyst at the institute of war and peace at columbia university all right gentlemen in effect i mean you can jump in and you and i also appreciate it ok james let me go to you 1st on this you were on cross talk during the campaign essentially during the election and after the election and what caught our eye mostly about drums candidacy was his willingness to rethink some of the pillars of american foreign policy and i was excited about i have to say that i know you were too. and i think there was

a national interest article that had his name on it but i think there were a lot of people that had their fingerprints on that article and we talked about it it was a little odd but it is moving in the right directions here you know and then we have the president we go speaking to graduate righteous and west point and he's saying something that he said during the campaign was far as i'm concerned that's unkept promises and i am not disappointed he wants to keep you know that promise out there again because we already heard from james your reaction oh you're right it is a man kept promising to his credit at least he has not started any new war if he had to and that's despite severe pressure on i think from many quarters especially with this respect to iran where that said you're right you know he has not has not gotten his out he says you want to get out get out of germany now you want to get out of syria you want to get out right now understand and he never manages quite to do it we can speculate what reasons are obvious in terms of his own untidy way of approaching things personally maybe it's because as terrible as which is itself is

or is a question why does he have why these people or maybe it's. the strength of the institutional structures of government and make it virtually impossible for anybody to actually be on the system and to do something other then what the system wants to do i really don't know at the end of the day it doesn't really matter but i think coming back to the will on the promise shows that he understands this is what the american people want they don't want these wars anymore maybe even joe biden will pay lip service to it too at some point but you know what we are where we are peter you know we're in with us like in the same thing here i mean it's obvious this is something that he wants to do and i think it's obvious that the public opinion polls 'd have made it very clear that they want these endless wars and it's and so it's much easier to say the next we do it i suppose go ahead professor what more are we talking about well i mean getting out of afghanistan getting out of iraq. getting out of syria. why we. alleged.

attempted coup against venezuela. and then we have on this more pressure extreme pressure on iran i mean this is just a continuation of past administrations. yes. but in fact a little while ago here number of americans really both in chile now understand war . is in fact fairly small and has not increased in it anything of what we decreased over time. again i think it depends on what you seen these seem to be sections since you brought most of them stem i think from right away from them from a concern concern for islamic terrorism. this point it reached that threat seems europe decreased 6 actually not just clear. but we had president truman saying that

he wanted to leave syria those of us that were hoping for that were actually quite overjoyed and then very suddenly that policy it devolved back to where it was i mean protecting syria's oil i mean well how in the world as i think in america's national interest and i do point out to our viewers here i mean it's against even the sanctions that the united states has put against syria so is the united states going to export that oil because that would be breaking american sanctions i mean is anybody think these things through please continue well look the one thing we know about our president is he does not think so and. he actually in polls. whatever strikes his fancy the broader question which were rehearsing here i think what is the american government as a whole. and maybe our perceptions are good for my students use the free and the level of violence is slow i don't see any obvious evidence that it's going

to increase now again depends a little bit we haven't talked about china riggs and the south china sea and that whole set of issues. but at that point you're talking about a very different time next threat there and islamic terrorists. and you can reasonably argue they might want to use force or. not i'm rather. just sort of saying endless war seems to me doesn't get us very well i'm just i'm just putting the president of the united states ok those aren't my words that is his words are ok with james you r.t. mention that in in we heard it during the. service call the impeachment process but was it the interagency consensus that's what you're getting to so i mean it was it was shown to be. blatant that the president the united states doesn't necessarily have to be involved with the interagency consensus ok because obviously these

people within his own administration we're talking about at cross purposes here i mean they weren't elected trump was. sickly right and this is where i maybe disagree with roy a bit is that look when we talk about endless wars we're not just talking about what they call kinetic action the level of violence we're talking about the entire posture of america's attempt to maintain a global hegemony it's would cringe in all sorts of places on the planet where our national security interests are rather slim to none and none the less we intend it we expect to remain it seems seemingly forever and we do things like you mentioned peter sanctions on syria which you don't even any pretend anymore that they're directed against the regime or really a true make people's lives as miserable as possible i also don't buy the notion that this is all because of 911 and islamic terrorism after all we've been supporting islamic terrorists in syria as we get another countries like libya everybody forgets about for that matter in the balkans that we've got this the

symbiosis with his lama terrorists that we can hold up as a bogeyman will be want to but as a practical matter we can use our proxies in these various wars and in fact i i think there's good reason to believe we're even helping to stoke the fires and change yeah with the movement there so i think this idea. analysts who are is can just be limited to how much shooting is going on but rather the entire i hate to say it aggressive posture of the united states on a global scale over the last certainly what sense the 1st cold war with the show union and you know really could well what is the reasoning for it i mean i think by and by any estimation the middle east is basically a strategic water but why it is the united states continue to invest so many so much money resources each. in manpower and and the most and one of the most important now isis saudi arabia i mean it's really quite obvious that we're not

really aligned in almost any other way it just seems to me it's like inertia it's just a nurse. and it has no interest section. or. the middle east was seen as important for what time it was. and while the united states is you know positioned to break much of that oil is in fact a global issue not a matter of national. at this stage of the game in your shoes iran. on. what the iranian government is interested in doing. not as has some peculiar. implications as you touched on. i mean you know what's the connection between that and 911 well you know. minimum there are different points islamic. folks involved. and it is ironic that most of the latter attackers were from saudi arabia.

but i mean it is it is it is he ran a threat to the united states. yes i think in the sense that if in fact it decides to. alter or process in substantial way on my ticket it has direct impact on your western europe and i think we're sure is absolutely essential for you know states you know if we're going to be simply isn't isn't there you know rand actually reacting to america american foreign policy i mean they're not the proactive player they're reacting to saying sessions that are really quite horrific and anyone says it's directed against the regime it is either doesn't know what they're talking about or they're running i mean it's obvious they want to punish the people that really mean my point is that iran has its own foreign policy agenda that's fine but wouldn't 'd it be more reasonable at the middle east work itself out i mean because you have this you have this situation

where the united states is all it is an arbiter and it actually creates dependency many regimes in the middle east for not being proactive in their form but with the americans they can't let them pay for i think that there's a lack of imagination here i'm sorry it was a long question. you know. that's where we want to project basically you say ok let's hope sacre the problem and if all this only involved the middle east it makes perfect sense. it doesn't well james jump in how do you react to that. i again i fundamentally disagree here 1st off there is american policy the middle is just kind of 2 headed it's obviously oil energy something that really shouldn't concern us much anymore and then of course the other thing is if you're evil which is the other i would say nonnie you can amik. pillar of american policy in the region and that has all sorts of roots to it that we can we can discuss it i remember mcfarlane formerly of the n.s.c.

was interviewed that she panicked you months ago and she pointed out that because of our energy independence we saw that time that we no longer had any interest in the tribal quarrels of the middle east and then she said and that's why we can now go in to hammer iran and why do we kill generously monny because we can now when i say there is just absolutely stunning and that we don't care about the trouble who are so let's dig down and really hammer one of the parties and a tribal or course iran is not a threat to the united states weighs a threat to israel and israel sitting on a pile of nuclear weapons i kind of think they can probably handle that themselves but any case all these people in middle east have one thing in common they ain't us and our direct national interests are really not at stake there with regard to europe and its dependence on middle eastern oil remember we're the ones who are insisting on trying to cut off more extreme to another ways that europe can't secure its own and energy security through

a natural. relationship because nomic relationship with russia all of this comes down to a sketch of a shelf wicking ice cream cone we have to maintain global dominance because otherwise we couldn't maintain global dominance and i think it's become a still of repatriating justification well you know all these little branches out here in the washington suburbs don't pay for themselves there are a lot of people whose rice bowls yet still buy endless empire and look we've got a revolution. going on here a minute not everyone is registered as is i or an agent i'm going to gentlemen we're going to go to west or break about through a short break we'll continue our discussion not ending and let's wars.

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welcome back across up we are all things are considered i'm here to live i'll remind you we're talking about ending endless wars. ok let me go back to you here i want to kind of the extent it was something that james said you know and this is this interagency consensus here i mean does that really new your mind because then it really kind of says that it isn't really matter who the president is because the bureaucracy is already to determine the priorities of american foreign policy and well the. president can say something because doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen it's matter of fact it's quite obvious i mean in a lot of terms problems of foreign policy are self-inflicted why in god's name to be a point bolton i mean it was just stunning ok and implicitly you know same with this the in the phrase ending and was forced i mean like ending conflicts that

we should so when they're to going like north korea you know i have a lot of issues with president trump on all kinds of things but i thought it took a lot of courage to go and meet the north korean leader i thought it was something that was never done before it was a chance and because of the deadlock that we've had for so long here and it seemed obvious to me that his administration just torpedoed that and he actually made them look quite cool ish. and so you know is what is it that can change foreign policy is it really that strong of a consensus of and it is it has nothing to do with what the president ran on in one go ahead. or one of the key issues here is personal and it is quite striking welcome talks about ending wars years a real compassion for people who want to continue their yeah. very hawkish people puts them in a very strong position that is the case he doesn't want to appear soft probably i

mean you're lucky you need a psychiatrist because. all of. you know your implication is that the bureaucracy is doing its own thing. what i'm arguing is when you pick off these people to run the bureaucracies the brothas all do that yes if you appoint a different people with different kinds of concerns and interests different behavior yes i think you are now there's obviously a lot of inertia here bureaucracies are like you know locomotives they move slowly in the same direction. the best prediction for whatever accuracy will do what is there yesterday. but they can in fact make change but they have to change and you can't change this. sort of sniping of sniping at the edges which is essentially what. thomas implied right that you know you know i'll say this and things will

happen well but you gotta work people in there who actually believe that and he has done that. so i think is kind is a little on stage or to say well maybe it isn't 'd. i think it's unfair or just simply saying. it's going to hurt oh ok didn't didn't didn't ok james then trying to says topless ok i mean i mean he says something and so he knows that no one's going to react to it i mean it there has to be an explanation for this if i meet the needs ample of syria is the perfect one but he's getting out of syria ok and then all of a sudden you know it all takes the brakes lock up in every moment you know hair on fire i mean i was just astounded by the reaction i was actually responded by the reaction to trump's address to the graduates at west point i mean everyone's on air is on fire again i mean they're just so did. you wait should be this guy out so they can continue doing what they're doing which i don't see in this is my personal

opinion it doesn't advance a national interest whatsoever ok at all it just as a huge drain on the treasury when there is a when we have so many domestic problems at home. i wish he had picked better people and you know if wishes were horses then beggars would ride but none of that happened and it's not going to happen i don't think would happen or in a 2nd term managed to remember how much even his adversaries praised him on the 2 occasions when he hit syria where there is no doubt that was his the no that was being presidential when he did that but when he when he wants to get out of syria which by the way has a deployment it's illegal anyway you look at of you who are under international law or american law allies you say harry goes on fire i don't think there's any door to say bad appointees or the bureaucracy for whatever reason he has and i'm not to speculate that he has. and appointees who are essentially in sync with the global hegemony crew graham be inertia as white points out the bureaucracy

i don't think i think the problem is and there isn't anybody writing. heard on them it wants to cheer to change direction and i think we saw what would happen oh it would he said general flynn of anybody who was even suspected of wanting to change the direction you'd be putting his head through a noose anyway sure he picks people their sensually are part of the problem and here we are so here is effectively not commander in chief use more between her and she well you know james and then the implication at least one of the implications of this is that foreign policy is completely divorced of the democratic process i mean if it were no matter what people vote for the debris can be awkward to say well we know better ok and i think that that is very tragic if there's there's strong evidence research on the 2016 election where they can wrestle districts that were t.v. for tribes victory were congressional districts that had veterans to service retirees i mean people that had served in the military and it is his words of

ending these complex resonated with him that we don't know for sure but that might get you know made that difference or him last time around and i think it's really have to sad that he has to go out and have to say the same thing again i don't know if he's being advice to be about i don't know i mean speeches to west point are made up on the back of an envelope i imagine right in syria is there such a thing as a trunk or a policy in your mind. now ok what you said this about that. guy not your security answers are. pretty crap. you know either real there really isn't i mean there are these sort of parents so now acacia. terms of actually doing something not much is there i do think he has a weakness or. he likes i think to be surround you like force you like the idea of

force and i think you like being surrounded by people who he thinks are thinks are really tough and strong why that is. and that's your psychiatrist problem let me flip it the other way let's assume biden wins as the economists say assume of life and victory and then the question is. do we in fact getting them a 2nd because biden really does why. do we then assume that that we're bureaucracy will do the same thing and he will be able to do this. i mean i think it's unfair to say that you are proceeding successfully resisted all these desperate desperate efforts by like from change policy has drawn hasn't made a serious effort to change you just tweeted about it. well i mean what i mean i repeat i was fortunate if you can tell me it's very unfortunate because we've never had

a candidate that actually in the least in my estimation tried to get a fresh look on foreign policy and say maybe we can unit different way like i mean in the me the the literati you know in the end you know the cable station you know doubting nato i mean anyone that knows anything about nato there's been there's a huge literature on is nato necessary in 2020 but they have reacted if there was some you know really interesting i mean seriously people have said you know they've discussed it with i mean it's not is it was from some regional idea but the idea itself is we're talking about ok moving troops from germany to poland look i mean that doesn't change anything james jump in well and you know it's lurking behind all the talk about getting out of endless worthless also improving ties with russia which he also promised in 2016 and of course in response we got this hysterical russia russia russia thing over the past 2 years you know i hate to think of the prospect of joe biden winning because i think the best equipped that's going to see

the consolidation of dictatorship here at home and that i'm terribly afraid of that i do wonder however if a president biden would be capable of actually reaching out to moscow in a way that trump this program tip from doing in a way that it took a nixon to go to beijing in the 1970 s. so that a democrat could not have done that but a republican could and i wonder if somebody from the party of of russia gave russia syria actually has more freedom in this area assuming he would want to do that which i don't know if you games i got some bad news for you ok is that i think at this point it by hand is. reached out it's not going to be a taken because of the way they did it there's still distrust right now i mean all of these sanction is baseless they based on nothing it's really quite insulting and the whole issue with you mentioned it very well i'm glad the north korean i mean you know the united states is going to turn in the energy policy in every single country on the planet i mean countries like russia and china to say why we're not

people including the radio ok and so i don't i think there's that inertia that we've been talking about that isn't going to change so and rolling that we're rapidly running out of time you know well how do you explain this men try to get rid of all arms control agreements it is that. means inable in your mind you know it's crazy it's crazy no. you know. i think all i think all those agreements that he look he starts off by scrapping the agreement with iran which i think was a mistake really i mean it's just bizarre. and then he winds up having to say ok well maybe we're going to do it again well you know no trust trust and trust. but look if you're appealing to his what he sees as his base then anything that looks strong international affairs wonder and anything that looks

weak assed pronoun and that's what he did and i think my sense is that it did play well to the base reports one really did get don't you think also considering trump space being a peace maker that also shows strength i mean you know everybody remembers nixon for watergate in popular culture but james already pointed out richard nixon and henry kissinger pulled up a bismarckian. gambit and opening up to china it was a brilliant absolutely brilliant and i think for him considering he had no bad. i gigged he could have said look let's go back to that we will keep this agreement let's go figure out what they should have done as they are other issues keep the agreement and then say we've got this and now we can talk about things that we really need to talk about i think that could have gotten some traction there i think and then portray are we likely or veto ok right i'll give you the last 25 seconds go ahead. all right steve constraints and what is your answer which is for

horse. that. well no i mean i. they did good to live were undermining the whole sort of agreements. they're trying to make. is was grossly irresponsible and it's honest and it has had any distance said in a sense. that the united states cannot be trusted because any new president will change the whole thing and that's a long term cost already know you'll. never win that's all the time we have want to thank my guests in washington and in new york and i want to thank our viewers for watching as iraqis see you next time remember.

in the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of northern ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks protect the only population tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes come up with strike and put these attacks was a p.r. you see the police actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast at the take more than a 100 innocent civilians women. as live you can seniors and we found out more i was supposed about the extent and integrates which the pollution was involved in some of those cases the killers would later be named into the enemy getting i think it went to the very very top i think if he thought. the water where all the taste and smell you thought was going on and give the go ahead.

welcoming our viewers from around the world live from central london this is r.t. u.k. . the u.k. lowers its coded 19 alert level as the prime minister hints that 2 meters social distancing will stay to be relaxed. but that's as a government review into social distancing threatens to derail in july reopening the pubs and restaurants to get reaction from those in the hospitality industry who are planning to open their doors regardless. thousands of student nurses who signed up to work on the coronavirus front line how being told their contracts will end early and feel betrayed. i can't get my head around why because we're students it is acceptable to believe it. to be acknowledged it should be acknowledged in a better way it shouldn't be. so valued. and local doctors are increasingly losing

faith in the government's response to the pandemic thanks to virus testing delays and lockdown breach scandals but says public health experts criticised the u.k. for not recording recall the diviners cases but only talking to one of them. the u.k. has downgraded its coded 19 alert level from 4 to 3 as speculation grows that the prime minister could cops the social distancing role from 2 metres but the chief medical officers from all 4 of the u.k.'s home nations also warn against complacency and it fears of localised fires outbreaks will work this out he joins me so he said what does the lowering of the alert level actually mean in practical terms so we've seen throughout the code once you crisis the government such you got them to stop pushing this threat level from perth of 98 it's color coded it ranges

from 5 to one and today the decision by the. chief medical offices of england scotland wales and northern ireland has been to downgrade the united kingdom from 4 to 3 now the 2nd look at what all of these different numbers mean so a level of 5 would represent the most severe and serious critical stage of the crisis where the n.h.s. would have been under threat of being overwhelmed without past that we were in stage 4 which was where the transmission level was high perhaps even rising exponentially level 3 represents a drop in the transmission level. possibly the spread of the virus is no longer exponential level 2 is where the transmission rate is lower level one is where this country every country wants to reach which is when corona virus has essentially been stunt out completely now one fact one measure for measure and this is the

so-called r. rate which is the re infection rate which allies is how many people on average it's catching the virus so if for example the our rate is above 3 that means that on average every person who has coded 1000 is giving it to 3 other people which represents an exponential spread if however that number is less than one for example point 5 it means that for example every 10 people already spreading it to 5 people and so on until eventually the virus dies out now because the rate is below one it's between somewhere between 0.70.9 the government have decided to bring that rating level down avoid the seen the easing of measures with regards to the opening of so-called non-essential shops and zoos and so on and we're also seeing from the prime minister boris johnson the possibility that social distancing measures could be reduced from 2 meters to one and in particular when it comes to children in the

classroom. it's really diminishing the. amongst us all and that's the most important thing and that will allow us as the alert level comes down that will allow us to start making some progress as i've said on our plan and with the social distancing measures so when we go forward to july the 4th which is the next big stage in the plan we hope that there will be more guidance out very very shortly will help people help businesses help hospitality to prepare for that and and how to implement social distancing in a safe way that is a time to come back a get your kids back into into school and of course on the on the social distancing measures as i said what's his face would be putting in the changes and the science of the ouster now restaurants pabst and other hospitality as subbasements will be hoping that the government will give them the green light to open on july the 4th

all vo the government of said that they will be reviewing that they could potentially be pushed back and those industries in particular will be hoping that that is reduced from 2 meters to one in line with the world health organizations own guidelines that would really help them get punters through the door and to really pick up their business which is for the in often in fact you could argue that those industries have been the ones which have been the most hard hit economically by this covert 19 pandemic. thank you very much. want to spy boris johnson's optimism a government review into to meet a social distancing could delay plans to reopen pubs and restaurants on july the 4th i was in bars have been closed since the beginning of the lockdown in march with the sector among the hardest hit in the u.k. but some owners are rebelling and valid to reopen their doors on july the 4th anyway. well i was joined by some interesting experts who say whatever happens they plan to open up. it's rather frustrating we will and i think the government is

really conflating 2 issues here if you don't has already issued guidelines that says that as long as the government's at 5 key targets that were on track which the prime minister keeps and updating us 7 weeks to confirm that country is on track and as long as and that range of threat to the n.h.s. is declining as well as a number of instances are declining and are under control then in those circumstances and we can reopen restaurants and bars and no barriers down the 4th of july now those conditions have not changed and it's great news this morning that . that will track level has been reduced from and 43 and so all of the conditions appear to be going in the right direction and the government's caught between 2 stools because it's problem isn't getting pubs and restaurants open this problem is getting schools open and it can and it's it has

a. crisis in in being able to do one without getting the other and i feel we're being caught in the middle of all of that and it really is not good enough it actually does have 3 sides but our judgment is that it's the legal responsibility and obligation of publicans of restaurant because of not to keep best off in our custom and say we've got hundreds of years if not thousands of you have the collective experience a very raw and we've got over that time is right to do that now we've all invested huge amounts of money in preparing for this moment and you know there's a bit of a there's a at least a 2 week lead and that's required we will be buying hundreds of millions of pounds worth of gear of food and so on in the run up to this to this 4th of july basically it's not so we can just be turned on and off like a top we need to be ready so we have taken a decision and we 'd are advising other supporters of the campaign to prepare themselves for the board so i obviously if 'd if the government comes out and says you absolutely connel open all the states for this reason but we'll have to look at

that time as far as work and sun we're preparing for the 4th of july and what did you think that when you had that the july the 4th reopening could be refused. it's a great to be disappointing i mean you know we're already looking at the loss of millions of jobs and in the economy possibly as many as a 1000000 jobs in hospitality and so we employ we want to be a lot more is my country we're very hopeful in people and it's just vitally important that the economy start to get back to work our judgment is. a stage where we're reflected in the drop that's region. government measurement is is absolutely minimal. thousands of student nurses drafted on to the n.h.s. frontline during the peak of the coronavirus crisis have been told that contracts were terminated early leaving many furious and even in debt one of them any pavane told r.t. u.k. about how disappointed she was of the news just after finishing a shift and i was walking back to my car in

a jeep just remember feeling really let down and unsupported because we've been watching so hard and so many students across the country jim say opportunity to how can such a challenging time with light little or no cliff was not hesitation and if there is now that we have been used for what we needed far and pushed to the silo but regardless of what we promised and i am i am upset about it because i feel that it was anybody else in and you have aligned. if they've signed a contract for watching a certain period of time they wouldn't have had that contract with. that they would have what the contract to be and because it wouldn't have been acceptable and it would be far originally planned and that i can't get my head around why because we're students it is acceptable i don't believe it's father. to be acknowledged it should be acknowledged in a better way it shouldn't be revoked. what a march almost $18000.00 student nurses and midwives in their final 6 months of

studies or 2nd year were called to were temporarily alongside frontline n.h.s. workers it was part of a move to boost the health services workforce during the coronavirus pandemic in anticipation of hospital beds being overwhelmed during the virus peak while most contracts were set to last until around september the government now says the pay placements will terminate at the end of july but the health secretary was taken to task over the action in the house of commons all in h.s. stuff deserve great praise don't they mr speaker so can i just ask him on a specific point which i for which i as a merged in the last couple of days one student nurses who joined the front line 6 months ago as part of the coronavirus efforts now seeing that paid placement schemes terminated early leaving them with no income surely this is no way to treat student nursing staff it is wrong to suggest that student nurses and midwives are being made redundant all student nurses and midwives are required to complete

placements during their training as part of the response to cope in 19 these hours been paid and will be into all the end of the summer and then addressing been that's been provided with the funding for student salaries as part of our response to 19 and the chief nurse has taken that forward. well more than 70000 people have since signed a petition demanding the health secretary doesn't permit surely end the page placements and nursing unions are demanding carroty from england's health authority is calling for the government to honor the sacrifices future nurses have made the former health secretary jeremy hunt said on twitter that he cannot believe the government would let down so-called brilliant and brave nurses but the department of health and social care denies that anything has changed. by the end of july most final year students can qualify as registered nurses and start full time work increasing their pay those with hours to complete will be paid until september 2nd year students will return to complete their qualifications so they can qualify as

quickly as possible which is always been the plan so the nurse any pardon also told us that the sacrifices made by those like herself in the face of the pandemic are undeniable i've had to no distance myself from obviously c.n.n. trends on family and i think absolutely you know last up to the end responded to joining the emergency register they've all made sacrifices to address the pandemic . obviously prior to work and if they were living with people with health conditions they would hards have completely distance themselves from that and we've also had to adapt ourselves to a new role we've taken on new responsibilities we're no longer supernumerary so although the support is still in place where we're more independently and taking on different responsibilities and different roles i've had to adapt a lot so i would say sacrifices have been made by sure it matters. for my cohort

i'm trying to be a pediatric nurse and a lot of my other students in the class they've been sent to adults wards and it's an environment that they're not training to be in they're having to adapt to new situations that they've never experienced they've not been exposed to it before and that they have to adapt a lot even in the children's ward read out in a c.n.n. different things that we do we wouldn't have been around in a normal place next because it isn't a normal placement it's a policeman and a pandemic that nobody expected so why even the night is qualified nobody expected it. still to come a sound. poll shows local doctors are increasingly losing faith in the government's response to the coronavirus crisis as the scientists criticize the u.k. for not reporting recovered cases we hear from a public health expert. is

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course we've been testing google and apple's product 2 and as we did this we found that it does not estimate distance well enough measuring distance of course is mission critical to any contact tracing app so as it stands our output won't work because apple won't change their system but it can measure distance and their app can't measure distance well enough to a standard that we are satisfied with throughout this for me what matters is what works because what works will save lives and i will work with any one public or private sector here or overseas to gain an any inch of ground against this disease so we've agreed to join forces with google and apple to bring the best bits of both systems together but apple said it hadn't been made aware that the u.k. government was intended to work with them it also said claims about its alleged software failings in terms of measuring distance were difficult to understand.

local doctors are increasingly losing faith in the government's response to the coronavirus pandemic according to a recent poll. of the 700 doctors asked 65 percent say they have a negative opinion of the government's pandemic response that's up from 35 percent in april at the height of the u.k.'s outbreak 55 percent don't think the government's testing trace program will stop the spread of the virus while over 3 quarters say the actions of the prime minister's chief advisor dominic cummings and his locked down trip to deron have meant others are less likely to follow the existing rules or committee dr dr sure sounds like he told me the government is not following the science but abusing it my feeling is that the responses has not been very good at all and there's been very little interest in the welfare frontline clinicians it's my feeling that there was a manipulation of the various guidelines so that it's we use some standard p.p.

for example and i was very disappointed about how the government simply gets a sense brianne may be a groupie that's the black asian minority an ethnic group the. it's also clear that matters hancock's comments about watching the tone of language to a clinician challenging him in parliament summarizes in my view what the government wants which is essentially a kind of blind obedience which can effectively cost you your life. not alone in having lost to a great deal of faith in them or faith in the government was much higher during the peak of the virus what is it in a nutshell that changed for you. well as i was sort of hinting. it's these it's the terminology and the repeated claims of science when actually that's not what we're seeing government says that in all of its policies it's guided by the

science we all know that when this is over challenges will be made and now believe actually someone is making a challenge legally and present. what we're seeing is not science we're seeing signed his own we're seeing the abuse of. science in inverted commas. when we were dr amira can told me that when it comes to decision making local doctors have been left out in the cold. we were late to the game when it came to lockdown and that resulted in lots of or necessary deaths there was the issue with p.p.l. it's a continuing issue at the moment where doctors didn't feel safe health care workers didn't feel safe at work and that unfortunately resulted in doctors and nurses and health care workers dying probably unnecessary because they were also urged the right protection going forward from there the test of traces you know it's been a bit of

a disaster today we heard that they're going to drop what they had planned and they're going to go to google and apple to try and set it up and that will be ready until christmas by which time you know it's going to be far too late and all that they say has been done without the primary care. and that's that's been a real issue you know we haven't been we know our communities better than anyone we can tell you know how the infection is likely to spread within the communities we work with normally those have been consulted and we work in these areas coreg homes where we're seeing patients with coronavirus type symptoms and we're only able to test that for it's as well so it is we've all it's just been a disaster which is which is reflected in those those results you mentioned there the government have made more effort to actively support local doctors yes definitely you know we we be left behind the hospital that's quite right you can prioritize and they were prepared for it but general practice it hasn't been involved in any of those discussions announce where we feel now that we've lost

confidence in in the government. i mean while the u.k. has been criticized for failing to report didn't 1000 recoveries public health experts have said the decision has made many cases invisible to the n.h.s. out of the 25 countries with the highest incidence of coronavirus only one other nation does not report recovery is chilling. all of this and i joined by public health expert professor paul hunter. fessor thank you for joining us on what's the issue with reporting recoveries is it possible to record them if so many people are asymptomatic while with her or is it people who are being sick that you've actually died or knows the owners you know there are actually and and therefore you can see recovery if you haven't been able then you not only recovered list because he's got nothing to recover from and then you go right at the u.k. and not on who you bought it with every row. for at least several months now

if it did at all well how can i would have guessed at that and not so i think probably there are actually following up people. after discharge in a way that we're maybe not be doing. and it is important to follow people or we don't know yet exactly what proportionately who will go on to develop more chronic symptoms and we probably were no doubt to certain until into the autumn much more people have been. reachable for at least 6 months unless we're actually following people who were know that and also it's important to. an understanding of the risk of transmission because at the moment we believe probably most people being not infectious are actually being of well if it were not following people up there and melinda time we're not aware whether they may

well be related to other sources exist later on so if it's a case of it big a simple as recording positive test and then checking up on people why are we not doing it i mean probably because we've had far too many cases. and doing that has been. beyond the ability to earthly here system to currently tome. and certainly we compared to most of our neighboring countries we've had more taxes and lives far more deaths than the chile area that the other a european country could have a case of it's a political decision not to follow up other so called recovers cases because the numbers might actually make the government look bad. i don't think because i don't believe that it's actually been a political decision not to do nothing the decision probably was based on what we were and was there to help with managing the utilises and and we don't have the

resources. to follow up on people i think we were talking just just now about. the difficulties between primary care general practitioners not being in look think this is going to be something that is really all it is you know we're probably going to have far too many tests and it's actually a follower within hospital setting but you have to be. linked with a general practitioner so the g.p. themselves and that's who leans understand what's going on with these patients follow them or look for early warning signs of more chronic problems are thinking your previous speaker the point that he was making about the importance of involving priory care in in the management of this pandemic is such a louis correct that ringback it also hinder the contacts tracing out and also contact tracing procedure in the fact that if we're not locking people therefore we

can't actually help other people or prevent a 2nd pick as well well i'll tell you there is a lot to be said about that i think. if we are right and people become more infectious after about 8 days i think was recently built evidence for that even though people can shed the virus to several links it probably isn't infectious later on in the way but it would not actually following that we know we're checking that he's actually actually in the case and certainly been tense. negatively impact on our ability to as president rhodes what other issues could be raised by not locking the recoveries. well i think we probably covered the really important ones are i think the crucial issue is as we're moving forward we do know that some people have very severe impacts on their loans but will undoubtedly lead to longer term health problems and and we do need to make sure that these people

get the. care they need to help them to actually return to full or as full and productive life as they as they encounter to do that we need all of whom we need to virus will make sure that were held in been pope and you knew limitations and improving their situation where possible and also as well have been other issues that have been raised by coronavirus of the fact the impact it's had on ethnic minorities and also on older people as well could by tracking recoveries also help in print preview dam preventing future disease diseases breaking out the 2nd paper also in working out areas that have been particularly hard hit. well i think i think we actually know which areas are being really hard to be acute illnesses and i don't think we need necessarily the. data from long term follow up to know which areas are worst moment groups or what but but there is

a certainly an issue here in that we know that it will be a big communities are more likely to suffer severe disease they're more likely to die well we don't know is whether those people are more likely to go on to have more long and health in moments and under disability that can impact on their ability to return to normal law to continue to earn an income and to enjoy. their families their friends and in the way that we all wish and try to professor gee i don't see a change in government policy do you think that in future that we will record or have raised us don't know. we do. we actually ensure that we have our. ways of following people that we have a better communications between hospitals and primary care. the general practitioners in particular are given the tools to urge ensure that people

do make a river and if they don't make it for the river they have that in our care and support that they need to be unable them to tensions well that's possible professor paul had that many thanks for your thoughts. and i have more news here in half an hour and. thank you ok. thank you.

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